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1) Multiplayer RPGs such as Diablo, NWN and the sort have been around for a long time, longer than MMOs I believe. Hence, stop talking about them like they're some great vision of the future only you can see. It would seem that you haven't been playing games for that long after all.
2) This isn't "pristine english", you're toilet doesn't smell like a rose garden I'm guessing.
3) If you're not playing MMO's anymore, then look for a new game on a website that isn't dedicated to MMOs. Go to 1up, IGN, Actiontrip, Gamespy, etc there's dozens of them. Why not even start with google?
4) How, exactly do you expect Forcan to "Address the points" if all you really said way 'I don't like the MMO setup because you will inevitably run into jerks. I want to play a regular, online RPG in which you connect directly with your friends.'?
5) FInd a better example than Oblivion, please, just for my sake. That game was just a dumbed down version of it's predecessor with better AI and Stealth.
6) Unless you're going to stop being an ass, and maybe clarifying your point when someone doesn't understand it, instead of mocking them and pretending you piss excellence, then I suggest you stick to places with minimal human interaction and work your way up to social pariah like the rest of us.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... this thread is getting way to funny. I could only read the first 3 pages. Ill pick up the rest later.
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*This thread contains enough compressed stupidity to erase all science as far back as the middle ages.
Just read your posts and have a few things I have to mention...
Question #1: How is MMO "so twisted"? Any example? Any reasoning (other than preference and opinion?) I'm interested in looking forward for your thoughts on this...
Well, the OP made one single point (and as I've mentioned before, a vaild one), that he doesn't like the focus on large group contents (raiding) and that he wishes developers focus on designing games that will run under LAN/Peer-to-Peer networks so he can play with those he's comfortable playing with. The rest is a rant on those he dislike in MMO (gamers who name their character with puns and words that they "think" is cool, but in fact immature), and he called them "losers", "utter losers", "dregs of society", and "scums".
His attitude on this thread specifically show that he is no better than those he described as "scums" and "losers" by attacking those posters who wanted him to make clear of his point and not combine it with insults to other players (myself included).
So it isn't about him being right or not, but his attitude which offend many who wish to have a civil conversation and discuss the point, rather than focus on his opinionated thought on MMO gamers.
Your last statements may have some truth in it, but that's another debate in MMO design since the OP isn't focusing on that aspect on MMO (If you include his rant on the MMO gamers as one of his point, then even with contents with soloers/small groups he will still be offended in a MMO's virtual world due to players with names he dislike and etc...)
I would say that before you defend the OP, understand that some agree with the points he's making, but not the way he is expressing it. And also that what he wanted isn't MMORPG by definition, hence when he's aggressively attacking gamers he called "losers", "geeks", and "scums", he will be treated the same way as he treats others.
Current MMO: FFXIV:ARR
Past MMO: Way too many (P2P and F2P)
QFT!
Not to try to feed the troll here, but lemme see. Some people who are atheists are scum because they're online. Some people who happen to be religious (majority and/or minority religions) are scum because they happen to be online. Some people who happen to be furries are scum because they're online. Some people who happen to be model airplane hobbyists are scum because they happen to be online. Do you see that the logic you setup is not only faulty it's a reverse causation not founded in reality. By your logic, everyone from the so-called "fringe subculture" types to your grandmother's reading club (I know many a reading club that has a mailing list and a website plus a php forum attached) are scum according to your proposition. Good going, nubcakes. You clearly failed logic in high school.
-- Brede
Are you even OUT of high school? Grow up, twit.
On a side note, he's not saying people online are scum because they are online. They just happen to be scum and online at the same time... and it happens to be most of the online population at any given time as well. Whatever. Anyways, you're not helping to disprove his point, despite your attempts. Go away and stop trolling.
A jerk complaining about the jerk complaining about the jerks...
Sorry friend, I don't play schoolyard. We've already had someone point out how bad "Barrens Chat" is. Everyone really knows I'm right about the constitution of people in online games.
There is no argument about it. *Everyone* knows it, even the guy who dissed the thread knows it, because he referenced "Barrens Chat" to make an example.
The people in online games are mostly scum. Complete, total scum and everyone here knows it. It's not a secret, and that discomfort you're feeling is called "cognitive dissonance".
Forcing people to associate with large numbers of these scum in order to receive the full services that they pay for is not a winning marketing model in the long term. Not if the MMORPG guys want to continue to expand their subscriber base.
Not to try to feed the troll here, but lemme see. Some people who are atheists are scum because they're online. Some people who happen to be religious (majority and/or minority religions) are scum because they happen to be online. Some people who happen to be furries are scum because they're online. Some people who happen to be model airplane hobbyists are scum because they happen to be online. Do you see that the logic you setup is not only faulty it's a reverse causation not founded in reality. By your logic, everyone from the so-called "fringe subculture" types to your grandmother's reading club (I know many a reading club that has a mailing list and a website plus a php forum attached) are scum according to your proposition. Good going, nubcakes. You clearly failed logic in high school.
-- Brede
You're female. You have no business arguing logic.
Who the hell are you, and why should I care?
Congrats! You are a victim of Trollstar!
I have yet to see anything that sets you apart from your self-created grouping of scum and loser. I have no problem with your first post, but most of your following posts I do.
You stated in a post that you came to the conclusion that you are 'normal', merely by the fact you're married and you THINK you are normal. Yet I call a 17 year old normal. I call a 15 year old that likes to use weird names 'normal'. Not everyone has your mind-set and I would assume the majority of online players don't have your mindset.
It is easy to see why you are seeking a game that you only want you and your wife/friends to play. Perhaps you want a game like this due to your limited number of friends, which probably comes from your attitude to others. This does not give you the right to treat others the way you have, even if it's your opinion.
All i see in one pissed off person taking his self-centered attitude out on others.
I won't be revisiting this thread, feel free to respond, but I'll be elsewhere.
Ok, i have to respond just because i am offended. I for one, have a college degree, a successful career, and a happy relationship, and good friends i have known for years. However, i find that i like MMO games. Yet the OP seems to lump me in with a bunch of keyboard grinding goobers that happen to show up in games...yes they play other games, but you dont have to talk to them. Im sorry that you cant find any decent people to play a game with, but to come online and be blatently rude to hundreds or other normal people who enjoy online game content and the other good poeple that populate the game. I enjoy the social aspect and economic aspects of games, while still enjoying the content an online game has to offer. Now that being said im more casual about it, i dont burn through game conent, im one of the last (if ever) to hit max level, and i never take the time to get the best gear. I tend to find others in the game who play about like i do, and we move along in the game at our own pace, this usually means a tight knit group of 10-15 people which is fine with me, and probably most people playing too, those idiots you seem to define us all as tend to also gravitate together, and thankfully minimize contamination. Because yes ill admitt, Jezz'nUreface and Ballrkinride annoy me as much as they do you. So i avoid them and find other normal people enjoying the game. I dont liek single players because they dont allow enough players, content, and variation, or for that matter good PvP they dont offer it, i have played Halo...multiplayer slayer is amusing, but not the same sorry. So yes before you paint everyone with the same geek, gay name, game ruining brush, consider others who may enjoy online games. They are the future or PC gaming, and they offer alot to the industry, just like u would in person, dont hang out with the Dicken YoMouf and find other good players.
This has been one of the greatest threads in a long time.
I began to think that MMORPG was becoming a remotely civilized place to have decent debates about MMO games and then along comes Carufin to reestablish my faith (or lack of) in the community that I love so much.
I love the fact that he completely ignored all of the great posts that show that he is not looking for an MMO game but a co-op game, which there are plenty of.
It's also fun that he uses the exact same name here as he does on other forums.
Look at this little gem that I found from Carufin on the Gamespy forums.
Quote from Carufin:
"Such a pathetic example.
Naturally, the sort of "standards" that [P]aradox insists apply to this forum will never be applied to you and Ocelot, who've spent what...three entire pages in off-topic nonsense and flame-bait?
In every loser forum on the Internet, skewed and devoted to moronic auto-eroticism such as you've displayed, there is a half-dozen "moderators" who exist to ensure that your sort of juvenile behavior is fostered and cultivated.
What is amazing is that you actually think you're clever. As if avoidance of all intellectual exercise is a virtue.
The comfort folks like me get, on the other hand, is the only comfort that matters. Living well is the best revenge, heh heh.
Browsing over to check on my bank account, driving around in my BMW, seeing what time it is on my Rolex, making love to an eager and beautiful woman in a size 2 negligee. Yep, there are benefits to being a person who sees life for what it actually is.
And you boneheads don't even want to learn how to get those things. Ah well, more power to ya. I'm sure the adulation of your Internet buddies far exceeds the enjoyment I have right now.....lol!!! Not."
Ahh.. wonderful. I especially like the part where you rubbed your successful lifestyle in the faces of the forum denizens. Jolly Good!
PS. Great avatar on GS btw, the WTC burning... classy.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
well if this is the case i would like to rub it back in his face
and i don't need to brag....wealth does not make life rich. And besides he prolly owns a used cheap 3 series that are pretty much like honda civics where i live, and he prolly bought the rolex off a crackhead on the streets of NYC
MMORPGs are games. Making coffee is not a game. It's totally serial.
Besides kissing the virtual EVE rear, I'm sorry but your post did nothing.
In a MMORPG PvE raid, more people does in fact = more challenge.
Why? The devs make it this way. You really just can't throw 25-40 random people at a raid and expect them to complete it. It takes coordination, communication, and organization. Beyond that, there is an element of both skill and gear. Gear weighing more heavily then skill I'm afraid, at least in modern MMORPGs.
Point is, a 5-person dungeon you can in fact throw together 5 random people and have success.
WoW has forever redefined what dungeon/raid group PvE gaming is. Their model is here to stay.
Could I grab 4 of my friends and mow through a 5-person dungeon half asleep? Yes, I have. 9 of my friends for a 10-person raid? Well, I can't do it half asleep but it's not too hard for a serious gamer in a serious guild to pull together 10 people for a few hours.
25 people? 40 people? Day in day out? It's a challenge.
Besides, I'd rather have a GAME where I get to group up and kill stuff for fun then a software title with "division of labor" where my job was "resource command." Yikes. Sounds like a JOB to me, not a game play activity, and I've already got a job.
Posting in an epic troll
For the quoted text, you really have to play Eve to understand what he's getting at. I played WoW for a long time, I've played Eve for a little over six months now, and I can say with 100% honesty that anything you learned about MMOs from WoW, EQ, or any game like those two does not apply to Eve.
Not saying it's any better (not to mention that would be hard to say for a game that's proud of the fact that the overwhelming majority of people quit before their trials are over), it's just 180 degrees different. If you like it though it's an experience you won't find in any MMO out there right now - something I'm sure contributes to the fact that Eve grew from being a game that had no money and almost no subs at all to one that's a profitable and has similar sub count to other smaller niche games.
oh and if anyone else needs a nice rolex...theres a guy on 31st and 6th selling them for 60 bucks
(i find the op extremely humorous...thanks for the great laughs!)
Try to see this post from a "beginning/casual/or just plain not as much an achiever as some no matter what they do/outside the box" player's point of view. If you can.
Okay for the people saying that less numbers can't be more challenging I would ask them to try Pirates of the Burning Sea if they haven't.
Tell me with a straight face that the "Just in Time" mission pitting you against 3 level 16 xebecs piloted by level 10 NPCs in your teens (btw fun error on FLS's part and I waited till 21 to attempt and beat that one on the 1st try) isn't harder than anything you've seen solo in WoW, LOTRO, or the like. (Think I relayed the correct idea there) That's just one mission in there.
Even if you don't agree with that I would challenge you to search out another example and I'm sure you're bound to come up with something. What is not always challenging to you is to someone else.
While I think the servers should stay on the company's side, massive amounts of players should be roaming the world at one time, where I differ from the OP in some regards, I'm still firmly planted in the small group camp. I will stand by that.
Anyway my questions:
Why would one want to group with a player named Hairy Sack? Again they're on Blackbeard on POTBs if they haven't banned them yet.
Why would one want to group with a player named Vioxx? Should still be there if they haven't banned them in LOTRO server Gladden when I played last year. Just joined that again recently and haven't done a search yet.
Why should one respect another player if they won't respect themselves, the rules of the game for that matter, and conduct themselves within a more reasonably presentable standard?
Why should I have to group with a player who won't follow those conditions and why should I be forced to?
While some have had pleasant experiences more power to you. Some of us haven't had that pleasant experience. Some of us have been betrayed by others leaving to pursue raiding guilds, drunk in power guilds, or just plain abuse of help offered.
There is already a game with small group content. That game is Vanguard. Well had small group quests when I played it anyway. Even if you don't like that game the idea is there never the less and is an example.
If it's not meant to be played in a small group or with your family/friends why did professionals put that element in there?
About the OP's way to presenting things. Yeah it wasn't probably the most "PC" way to launch an argument but you can't merely just toss the whole purpose out the window either. Least I can't.
I crusaded myself, among others, for moderation back on the MEO boards in 04-05 when I was there. The community was never the same on that board from the time where moderation increased till the launch.
Things could probably be worse. You could lose your spice alltogether. That's never a good thing if you like variety.
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So the OP talks about folks with objectionable names, among other things, as being undesirable.
I'm thinking that yes, I don't like that either but I find the OP so much more objectionable. I can't believe he would have the nerve to talk about anyone else with his sorry attitude and general nastiness. I'd play with and objectionable name anyday before I played with this person. I pity the wife.
MMORPGs are games. Making coffee is not a game. It's totally serial.
Besides kissing the virtual EVE rear, I'm sorry but your post did nothing.
In a MMORPG PvE raid, more people does in fact = more challenge.
Why? The devs make it this way. You really just can't throw 25-40 random people at a raid and expect them to complete it. It takes coordination, communication, and organization. Beyond that, there is an element of both skill and gear. Gear weighing more heavily then skill I'm afraid, at least in modern MMORPGs.
Point is, a 5-person dungeon you can in fact throw together 5 random people and have success.
WoW has forever redefined what dungeon/raid group PvE gaming is. Their model is here to stay.
Could I grab 4 of my friends and mow through a 5-person dungeon half asleep? Yes, I have. 9 of my friends for a 10-person raid? Well, I can't do it half asleep but it's not too hard for a serious gamer in a serious guild to pull together 10 people for a few hours.
25 people? 40 people? Day in day out? It's a challenge.
Besides, I'd rather have a GAME where I get to group up and kill stuff for fun then a software title with "division of labor" where my job was "resource command." Yikes. Sounds like a JOB to me, not a game play activity, and I've already got a job.
Posting in an epic troll
For the quoted text, you really have to play Eve to understand what he's getting at. I played WoW for a long time, I've played Eve for a little over six months now, and I can say with 100% honesty that anything you learned about MMOs from WoW, EQ, or any game like those two does not apply to Eve.
Not saying it's any better (not to mention that would be hard to say for a game that's proud of the fact that the overwhelming majority of people quit before their trials are over), it's just 180 degrees different. If you like it though it's an experience you won't find in any MMO out there right now - something I'm sure contributes to the fact that Eve grew from being a game that had no money and almost no subs at all to one that's a profitable and has similar sub count to other smaller niche games.
You will always have people who wanne play mmorpgs, like if its a JOB, others play it for fun, not thinking to much about it.OP should realy go play games like TWO WORLDS its perfect for him as good as oblivion but with multi player for small groups or even solo.
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what an enjoyable read, mostly because, isnt Carufin exactly the type of guy you DONT wanna team up with in an mmo?
so it started out with some vague idea of a anti-mmo game and now hes talking about his wealth? haha xD hilarious
ps: rolex are butt ugly
MMOs currently playing: -
About to play: Lord of the Rings Online
Played: Anarchy Online (alltime favorite) and lots of f2p titles (honorable mentions: 9Dragons, Martial Heroes, Dekaron, Atlantica Online)
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For a man who claims to speak english perfectly....boy does his spelling suck. But have no fear, i corrected it for you.
i like playing mmo
So, I read every page of this filth. Every page of this stupidity laden, grime encrusted, bull that the OP has been spewing out.
Here's the way I see it.
The OP is the guy, who you ignore in general chat, because someone says something he disagrees with, so he argues over the internet, thinking he's a tough guy. That he's better than everyone else playing. That he deserves better than them, because he's 'special' oh wait, no sorry, because he's not a piece of 'scum' like the rest of us.
The OP is that guy who, reluctantly, joins your group, because he has no choice, skims through the quest, leaves, steals anything he can, and promptly puts you on ignore, because you weren't up to his standards.
What the OP is muttering is what we call an, let me link this for his intellectual appreciation, Ad Hominem argument. Basically, since i'm sure he's too pompous to go read that, it means he's being an emotional... what's a word that won't get me banned... child.
The OP is asking for an intellectual and reasonable response, yet anyone with an intellectual or reasonable question, or even a reasonable response, he just blows past, and continues on his rampage of non-sense. If he was actually looking for an answer, he would attack peoples ideas, instead of attacking the people themselves.
So, rather than sitting here, acting like a child. Be that 47 year old man that your profile says you are, and grow up. Go out, read reviews, read websites, and find your game. To say that no one makes a game that fits you and your 'insert single digit amount of friends here' friends, actually look.
Now that my personal views on your immature behavior are over, I will conclude with saying a lot of good games have been posted in your favor. People actually trying to help you. Why don't you have a look into them, and go play them. MMORPGs are clearly not your games, as you stated, you have stopped playing them. Go try the games listed, or look up other ones, because you are obviously not getting the 'respect' you deserve, your highness.
Your loyal and faithful subject,
The heroin shooting, wife beating, scum of the internet.