I also never claim EQ2 is the best MMO ever made. I think it is a good MMO, and I enjoy it...but I also have never said EQ2 is the end all be all of MMO's.. It is impressive what has been done with EQ2 in the last two years (since you have NOT been back there)...meanwhile games like WoW stagnate, and LOTRO copies them. You also did not play EQ2 during the first year (where LOTRO is now). It was a mess... filled with bugs, hitching, rubberbanding, incomplete areas, no mail system along with the worst customer support I have ever experienced and community managers so rude it was almost like you were paying THEM to play. Compared to the first year of LOTRO, Turbine did a magnificent job... the job SOE should have done. It's taken SOE three years to make a decent game... I certainly don't think they should be given praise for that. As another example....I also do not like Tabula Rasa...but, I think they at least made strides to innovate somewhere with their semi realtime combat...there is no innovation in LOTRO...and that is why it is NOT the best MMO either. What did SOE bring to the table with EQ2? A graphics engine that was created for the future, yet it still doesn't work completely three years later. As to why I continue here, is to make sure the wool is not pulled over the eyes of those who do not know better by those who think LOTRO is a god send. It is not...the IP was ruined by Turbine and turned into a mediocre MMO...and because magazines decided to play the first 10 or 15 levels and declared the game a winner with their big scores are also disillusioned over what makes a good MMO....longevity..again LOTRO does not have this either (as can be seen by the many posts of those who say they left at level 30...just like I did)...and THAT is why it is not the best MMO. Dude, are you serious?? Honestly... who needs you to inform the consumer about a product? I don't see anyone requesting your thoughts, ideas or experience where LOTRO is. It's quite pompous of you to think that people need YOUR thoughts on a game before they play or purchase it. That's what trials and the internet are for... for people to inform themselves before making a purchase... not to check and see if Openedge likes the game or not. Please don't make it seem like you're doing all of us a favor. Now...as to your sig...maybe you should change it then...as it leads someone to believe they only "beta'd" EQ2...and has not tried it recently...unlike myself, who always keeps abreast of the changes in LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Hellgate:London, Vanguard, etc.....the changes to LOTRO? they are minor and cosmetic at this point, and have not addressed the bigger issues that will leave LOTRO like AC2 after the newer titles arrive... As to my sig, read it again. It does mention that I played AND beta'd EQ2. I have no reason to keep up with games that no longer interest me. I have better things to do with my time than that. If you think the changes to LOTRO since release have only been cosmetic, you haven't really been keeping abreast of the situation. As much as you don't want it to be,LOTRO will continue to flourish after the release of AoC and WAR. Predicting doom and gloom for it really shows your biased and jaded opinon.... hardly the type people will listen to when deciding whether or not to try out LOTRO. It will never be the best MMO...sorry! In my eyes, LOTRO is the best MMO on the market today, regardless of what you think. I along with many others will continue to enjoy it. Sorry!
I hope that eventually you'll find enough enjoyment in EQ2 so that you don't feel the need to bash other games just to make the one you like seem superior.
_________________________________ JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
Originally posted by JonMichael I hope that eventually you'll find enough enjoyment in EQ2 so that you don't feel the need to bash other games just to make the one you like seem superior.
Nope. Won't ever happen. Too much has been invested in the hate of LoTRo to ever let it go. I do find it funny that the same things that LoTRo is bashed for here... are over-looked and made to seem a minor thing if they concern a different MMO. I think the word is called... hypocrite.
Noticeably; customer support, hitching, performance on new high-end machines, etc. All are made to seem minor issues in "another" MMO's forums... care to guess which MMO that is?
I can't decide if I like LoTRO or not. My big complaint, that I don't see all that often, is that the classes kind of blow.
I realize that it doesn't really fit with the lore to have Wizards or Rangers or whatever, but who really wants to spend all their time trying to become the best Lore Master out there? WTF is a lore master anyway? I read the books back in the day, and I think they may have 1 throw away sentence, so clearly there should not be thousands of them running around either.
I dunno, there are things I really like about the game, I just think the lore at times is almost a problem. Knowing that I'll never be one of the leaders in the world is sapping my motivation to go on much farther than my mid - late 20s.
Also, combat kind of blows compared to both WoW and EQ2. I'm used to it being much twitchy-er. LoTRO's combat reminds me of what I hated about combat in EQ2 at release. It alkso reminds me of being on a bad connection trying to hit someone in druid cat form on wow.. I run along madly spamming keys behind the enemies while nothing happens.
I beta'd EQ2 and played it for almost a year.. until right before the server merges... then I couldn't take it any longer and left. So actually, I do know a thing or two about SoE and EQ2. I don't post much about it because: a) It's been a while since I've played it and b) I would only have negative things to say about my experience.
Yes Openedge, there are others who experience problems with LOTRO... just like in EQ2. I happened to read a current EQ2 post where someone is leaving the game due to performance and this is on a THREE year old game. People complain about all MMO's.. not just EQ2 or LOTRO. No game is perfect for everyone. You just do a good job at making sure as many people know about every little flaw LOTRO has because you dislike it so. Please highlight in my post where I said people who do not like the game should not post here. Of course not everyone will agree that LOTRO is the best MMO today.... just like many people will disagree that EQ2 is the best MMO today. It's all in what you like. What's boring to you might be fun to someone else. You consider LOTRO boring, and I consider EQ2 boring. The big difference is I respect that people will like and play EQ2 while you feel the need to spread your hate of LOTRO to as many people as possible. Shame really.
I also never claim EQ2 is the best MMO ever made. I think it is a good MMO, and I enjoy it...but I also have never said EQ2 is the end all be all of MMO's..
It is impressive what has been done with EQ2 in the last two years (since you have NOT been back there)...meanwhile games like WoW stagnate, and LOTRO copies them.
Sorry but nothing is realy copyed from EQ2, EQ2 was a terrble game at lanch, (but im sure you were somewere els back then) and took away all credibilty for me, Lotro instead was amzingly good at lanch, infact it was the best mmo lanches ever made, and quality that whats makes or breaks a game for me.
I disagree, EQ was a unique great game at launch. Then they tried to copy WoW and turned it into a poor poor WoW clone. They had such a great game at launch it is ashame they have no backbone. If they did when people tired of the easy shallow instant gratification that WoW is, they would have loved original EQ 2.
I beta'd EQ2 and played it for almost a year.. until right before the server merges... then I couldn't take it any longer and left. So actually, I do know a thing or two about SoE and EQ2. I don't post much about it because: a) It's been a while since I've played it and b) I would only have negative things to say about my experience.
Yes Openedge, there are others who experience problems with LOTRO... just like in EQ2. I happened to read a current EQ2 post where someone is leaving the game due to performance and this is on a THREE year old game. People complain about all MMO's.. not just EQ2 or LOTRO. No game is perfect for everyone. You just do a good job at making sure as many people know about every little flaw LOTRO has because you dislike it so. Please highlight in my post where I said people who do not like the game should not post here. Of course not everyone will agree that LOTRO is the best MMO today.... just like many people will disagree that EQ2 is the best MMO today. It's all in what you like. What's boring to you might be fun to someone else. You consider LOTRO boring, and I consider EQ2 boring. The big difference is I respect that people will like and play EQ2 while you feel the need to spread your hate of LOTRO to as many people as possible. Shame really.
I also never claim EQ2 is the best MMO ever made. I think it is a good MMO, and I enjoy it...but I also have never said EQ2 is the end all be all of MMO's..
It is impressive what has been done with EQ2 in the last two years (since you have NOT been back there)...meanwhile games like WoW stagnate, and LOTRO copies them.
Sorry but nothing is realy copyed from EQ2, EQ2 was a terrble game at lanch, (but im sure you were somewere els back then) and took away all credibilty for me, Lotro instead was amzingly good at lanch, infact it was the best mmo lanches ever made, and quality that whats makes or breaks a game for me.
I disagree, EQ was a unique great game at launch. Then they tried to copy WoW and turned it into a poor poor WoW clone. They had such a great game at launch it is ashame they have no backbone. If they did when people tired of the easy shallow instant gratification that WoW is, they would have loved original EQ 2.
Sorry, I have to agree with Ackbar on this one. I was utterly underwhelmed by launch EQ II. It ran like crap, it was buggy, class balance was horrid, and the crafting system was the worst grind I have ever experienced in my life. The system where you had to go through 20 levels as a generic character just to pick your class I also really disliked. I had been looking forward to that game for such a long time, it was a collossal disappointment.
Sub numbers confirm I wasn't the only one that wasn't impressed. In the first year after luanch players fled from it in droves. Sub numbers didn't start to move up again until the luanch of EoF, which added in all the play elements that you hate. Since SOE "ruined" it EQ II has been steadilly gaining subs.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Its a bit far fetched to compare the launch of EQ2 and LOTRo. Let me recall my days in both events.
Being a loyal EQ player for some years (till multiple 60s), I am understandably attracted to EQ2. Pre-order, blah blah blah. Then I tried it at launch. Its a mess. I just failed to gain any EQ feel about it. Its not overly buggy, but the game feel detached. I cannot remember what exactly was wrong but the feeling is not right. I never finished the first free month. I stopped my sub. A poor launch is very bad news, I do not reconsider EQ2 till couple years later.
LOTRo, I was lucky enough to get into CB, then some family matters pinned me down at home for many months, idle. LOTRo CB becomes the easy way out, b/c I can go afk anytime in a CB and not feel worried about dying. After all, we got character wipes anyway. LOTRo got me. The launch got me. The game is polished, everything feels right. The world was small then, its still small now, but the smooth launch does its magic. I go life-time.
I do not mean to say that EQ2 is inferior to LOTRo now. Actually the 2 games are very mature and good now. But the quality of launch makes all the differences. To me at least.
Not many games recover after a bad launch, and most all of them took a long painful road to come back, gratz to EVE, EQ2. WoW is the only game I remember that recovers almost instantly from a pretty messy launch.
Its a bit far fetched to compare the launch of EQ2 and LOTRo. Let me recall my days in both events. Being a loyal EQ player for some years (till multiple 60s), I am understandably attracted to EQ2. Pre-order, blah blah blah. Then I tried it at launch. Its a mess. I just failed to gain any EQ feel about it. Its not overly buggy, but the game feel detached. I cannot remember what exactly was wrong but the feeling is not right. I never finished the first free month. I stopped my sub. A poor launch is very bad news, I do not reconsider EQ2 till couple years later. LOTRo, I was lucky enough to get into CB, then some family matters pinned me down at home for many months, idle. LOTRo CB becomes the easy way out, b/c I can go afk anytime in a CB and not feel worried about dying. After all, we got character wipes anyway. LOTRo got me. The launch got me. The game is polished, everything feels right. The world was small then, its still small now, but the smooth launch does its magic. I go life-time. I do not mean to say that EQ2 is inferior to LOTRo now. Actually the 2 games are very mature and good now. But the quality of launch makes all the differences. To me at least. Not many games recover after a bad launch, and most all of them took a long painful road to come back, gratz to EVE, EQ2. WoW is the only game I remember that recovers almost instantly from a pretty messy launch.
I am unsure of how this thread turned into a EQ2 / LOTRO comparison...there is none..EQ2 has been out 3 years and has content to spare...LOTRO does not, but could in the same time span..this thread never was this argument, but has been dragged there due to various players affiliations....
The issue at hand is the OP's title, and how this is a factual error. The title was stated as a fact, and it is clear that it is not. Many other threads are filled with players leaving LOTRO due to no content...
I think this is a common case for all MMO's (except maybe WoW which seems to have a strong end game for it's player base...I do not prefer their end game myself...but, people are different)
I agree LOTRO had an awesome launch..I never disagreed with that. But, as the game aged...the fun factor dwindled...with boring content. And then various UI issues (there is less control of the UI than in WoW or EQ2), issues with traffic, outages here and there...but, it still was a better game than WoW or EQ2 for a launch title...
But, now they are getting long in the tooth, and need to kick it up, get innovative, and do something unique..or stagnate...and this does not mean enhance "Chicken Play"
These are not signs of the "Best MMO available"...and if they were, we would see scrips in the Million range at least...but, not right now...but, hopefully the special announcement will fix that.
I am unsure of how this thread turned into a EQ2 / LOTRO comparison...
Umm... I'll give you a clue. Because you bring up EQ2 in just about every single post you make here on the LoTRo forums, and you bash LoTRo in just about every single thread over on the EQ2 forums... does that ring a bell?
there is none..EQ2 has been out 3 years and has content to spare...LOTRO does not, but could in the same time span..this thread never was this argument, but has been dragged there due to various players affiliations....
The issue at hand is the OP's title, and how this is a factual error. The title was stated as a fact, and it is clear that it is not. Does that mean you will be changing your posting habits then? Because as it stands now you're the #1 offender of what you just said. I'm thinking something along the lines of practice what you preach should suffice. Many other threads are filled with players leaving LOTRO due to no content... I think this is a common case for all MMO's (except maybe WoW which seems to have a strong end game for it's player base...I do not prefer their end game myself...but, people are different) Really? WoW has a strong end game? Really??? I think they have a weak end game and that it's because of that weak end game that many, many gamers leave WoW. Obviously they still have many, many gamers that continue to play, and new gamers join all the time... but WoW also has the highest number of players leaving as well. I agree LOTRO had an awesome launch..I never disagreed with that. But, as the game aged...the fun factor dwindled...with boring content. And then various UI issues (there is less control of the UI than in WoW or EQ2), issues with traffic, outages here and there...but, it still was a better game than WoW or EQ2 for a launch title... The fun factor has increased since launch, depending on what a person finds fun. There are numerous avenues of fun that have been added since launch. Housing, display costumes, session play, reputation, raids, enhanced PvMP, enhanced dungeons, enhanced areas, more content, more recipes, more storage, more skills for every class. There isn't a single area of game-play that hasn't received something since launch. Some of the things that haven't changed since launch are how the game plays and the over-all feel of the game. So, if you found that "boring" at launch... yup, it's going to feel the same for you. Some developers are happy with their original design implementation and happy with the number of subs. that design has attracted. They don't feel the need to change it with every change of the wind's direction. So, to say that "as the game aged...the fun factor dwindled" Nope. That's just the statement of a biased, LoTRo hater (by your own admission), and someone who never found the game fun in the first place. But, now they are getting long in the tooth, and need to kick it up, get innovative, and do something unique..or stagnate...and this does not mean enhance "Chicken Play" These are not signs of the "Best MMO available"...and if they were, we would see scrips in the Million range at least...but, not right now...but, hopefully the special announcement will fix that. Heh, they are already the #2 MMO in NA their first year... give them time. Unlike a lot of other MMO's their sub. rate is headed in the right direction. Thanks Your Welcome
Umm... I'll give you a clue. Because you bring up EQ2 in just about every single post you make here on the LoTRo forums, and you bash LoTRo in just about every single thread over on the EQ2 forums... does that ring a bell?
You fail to point out that it actually is NOT me putting it in every post, but all other posters who decide to make note of my posts as being an EQ2 player. This thread had nothing to do with EQ2, and as such never mentioned it until it was brought up by another poster...
Does that mean you will be changing your posting habits then? Because as it stands now you're the #1 offender of what you just said. I'm thinking something along the lines of practice what you preach should suffice.
Then you should quote my factual errors. Please note they should be "factual". As well...if I made an error on a post and was proven wrong, I gladly changed said post. If my wording was incorrect, I agreed to change that wording...which is what this OP's post is...The wording is incorrect. It is an "Opinion" piece, but was stated as fact...and this is incorrect.
Really? WoW has a strong end game? Really??? I think they have a weak end game and that it's because of that weak end game that many, many gamers leave WoW. Obviously they still have many, many gamers that continue to play, and new gamers join all the time... but WoW also has the highest number of players leaving as well. Yet, I can point to countless websites and blogs of people who still continue to discuss and play the end game. WoW's end game "keeps" people. That was the point of my sentence. You do NOT prefer their end game...I am glad you have a strong "opinion". Your point is NOT clear here. You state a "mass exodus", yet, all numbers indicate growth...Can you maybe show me where the information for the "highest number of players leaving" is located, I would like to review this data.
The fun factor has increased since launch, depending on what a person finds fun. There are numerous avenues of fun that have been added since launch. Housing, display costumes, session play, reputation, raids, enhanced PvMP, enhanced dungeons, enhanced areas, more content, more recipes, more storage, more skills for every class. There isn't a single area of game-play that hasn't received something since launch. Some of the things that haven't changed since launch are how the game plays and the over-all feel of the game. So, if you found that "boring" at launch... yup, it's going to feel the same for you. Some developers are happy with their original design implementation and happy with the number of subs. that design has attracted. They don't feel the need to change it with every change of the wind's direction. So, to say that "as the game aged...the fun factor dwindled" Nope. That's just the statement of a biased, LoTRo hater (by your own admission), and someone who never found the game fun in the first place. I will agree that my words maybe are not correct here. Let me flesh it out and state that as a player continues to play (the game aging for that said player) the fun factor dwindles (i.e: it becomes less fun for many players). I can point to a thread in fact here of a long time player who "as the game has aged for them" it has lost it's "fun factor"..Yes, I agree, Turbine continues to add content for players "leveling", but for players who have played the starting area's and quests multiple times...there is not much variety left.
Heh, they are already the #2 MMO in NA their first year... give them time. Unlike a lot of other MMO's their sub. rate is headed in the right direction. The statement #2 MMO is a fact based on which data? MMORPG's rating system? Sales? Subscriptions? Again, you make this statement as if it is fact...and there is no hard evidence to this except "their" word. Based on this chart, the #2 NA MMO is EvE Online http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html Not "developed" in NA, but "Released" in NA (Also note on said same chart, numbers indicate the same scrips for a 3 year old game as this "new" game...interesting) Thanks Your Welcome Glad I was able to clarify for you.
Really? WoW has a strong end game? Really??? I think they have a weak end game and that it's because of that weak end game that many, many gamers leave WoW. Obviously they still have many, many gamers that continue to play, and new gamers join all the time... but WoW also has the highest number of players leaving as well. Yet, I can point to countless websites and blogs of people who still continue to discuss and play the end game. WoW's end game "keeps" people. That was the point of my sentence. You do NOT prefer their end game...I am glad you have a strong "opinion". Your point is NOT clear here. You state a "mass exodus", yet, all numbers indicate growth...Can you maybe show me where the information for the "highest number of players leaving" is located, I would like to review this data. It's a simple matter of logic. Since WoW has the highest number of subscribers... by a wide, wide margin, and it's an accepted MMO reality that there is a certain % of churn... then even if WoW has the lowest % of churn they still have the highest number of people leaving. Do you disagree with that logic? If so, what point do you disagree with? And actually I didn't state they had a "mass exodus" that was your statement... not sure why you put it in quotes... as I never said that. WoW is still the king of MMO's as far as subs. go; and for those that like it... great for them.
The fun factor has increased since launch, depending on what a person finds fun. There are numerous avenues of fun that have been added since launch. Housing, display costumes, session play, reputation, raids, enhanced PvMP, enhanced dungeons, enhanced areas, more content, more recipes, more storage, more skills for every class. There isn't a single area of game-play that hasn't received something since launch. Some of the things that haven't changed since launch are how the game plays and the over-all feel of the game. So, if you found that "boring" at launch... yup, it's going to feel the same for you. Some developers are happy with their original design implementation and happy with the number of subs. that design has attracted. They don't feel the need to change it with every change of the wind's direction. So, to say that "as the game aged...the fun factor dwindled" Nope. That's just the statement of a biased, LoTRo hater (by your own admission), and someone who never found the game fun in the first place. I will agree that my words maybe are not correct here. Let me flesh it out and state that as a player continues to play (the game aging for that said player) the fun factor dwindles (i.e: it becomes less fun for many players). I can point to a thread in fact here of a long time player who "as the game has aged for them" it has lost it's "fun factor"..Yes, I agree, Turbine continues to add content for players "leveling", but for players who have played the starting area's and quests multiple times...there is not much variety left. And because you, and x other gamers have that opinion it is fact? That would be where the opinion part comes in. You know that part you were chiding the OP about not pointing out again... and again. Didn't we just discuss this? How you apply different standards to others, but not yourself? Case in point.
Heh, they are already the #2 MMO in NA their first year... give them time. Unlike a lot of other MMO's their sub. rate is headed in the right direction. The statement #2 MMO is a fact based on which data? MMORPG's rating system? Sales? Subscriptions? Again, you make this statement as if it is fact...and there is no hard evidence to this except "their" word. Based on this chart, the #2 NA MMO is EvE Online http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html Not "developed" in NA, but "Released" in NA (Also note on said same chart, numbers indicate the same scrips for a 3 year old game as this "new" game...interesting) So let me get this straight. You complain that Turbine doesn't release any sub. #'s... then the one piece that they do release... you don't believe them. Color me surprised. Turbine is the only one that knows their numbers. They've said they are #2 MMO developed in NA. So, that puts them somewhere behind WoW, and somewhere above EQ2. You either believe them or you don't. You've chosen to not believe what they have said publicly... so what else is there to say on it? Nothing. If you don't believe it straight from the horse's mouth... nothing is going to suffice. (Also note on said same chart... What is the last data point date for sub #'s? Also note on said same chart the trajetory of the two MMO's in question. Notice any difference between them... interesting) Also note on said same chart... this quote about LotRo in the analysis section: "I estimate that as of August 2007 LotRO had approximately 200,000 subscribers" Since you seem to take their numbers as gospel... I thought I would highlight a couple key words. Also if you read his analysis... he doesn't have the same misgivings about accepting Turbines statement as you do. So, since you quote this site so often... why do you disagree with his analysis of Turbine's statements? Thanks Your Welcome Glad I was able to clarify for you. If that was clarify... I'll take subterfuge.
First off let me say, I really hate it when people post things like.
"As to why I continue here, is to make sure the wool is not pulled over the eyes of those who do not know better by those who think LOTRO is a god send."
It is like well you all are to stupid to know what a good game is so I am going to be here to tell you.
There are many of us who are quite happy with LOTRO. Ok, it is not a game for everyone. But don't you think people have a right to try it and have their own opinion.
Of course I am one of those, if you tell me it is a bad game I am going to try for my own opinion. So you just might be defeating your plan. But then I love LOTRO was in beta and am having a great time.
I say try the game for yourself and never mind the people that cut it down.
First off let me say, I really hate it when people post things like. "As to why I continue here, is to make sure the wool is not pulled over the eyes of those who do not know better by those who think LOTRO is a god send." It is like well you all are to stupid to know what a good game is so I am going to be here to tell you. There are many of us who are quite happy with LOTRO. Ok, it is not a game for everyone. But don't you think people have a right to try it and have their own opinion. I agree. This is very true, and the only way a person will REALLY know how good a game is...well...try it. You for example, do not like how I state LOTRO is not a god send as others here think it is..I do not like a title that states an item as fact...when it is far from the truth..If the OP would have posted their opinion...then cool..I have no issue...they did not..And I still stick by my opinion that it is NOT the best MMO Of course I am one of those, if you tell me it is a bad game I am going to try for my own opinion. So you just might be defeating your plan. But then I love LOTRO was in beta and am having a great time. Right...and if you try the game and like it...great. Does not mean that others need to stop syaing they DON'T like it...simple really...if someone wants to base their opinion off a forum thread...well...great..but, I will at least make sure they see both sides...I have no problem with it as others do... I say try the game for yourself and never mind the people that cut it down. Areeed...try it...like it? Come give us your opinion...oh, but please do not state it as facts...The game may the best MMO available to YOU...but it was not to me...simple You all have a good day. hugss to you You too...and thanks
I disagree, LOTRO is a long way off even being close to the best MMO available and with the new releases in 2008, it will never be the best. To be honest, i think LOTRO is just an average game and saying its the best is just.... lol'able.
These are not signs of the "Best MMO available"...and if they were, we would see scrips in the Million range at least...but, not right now...but, hopefully the special announcement will fix that. Thanks
And if LOTRO had subs in the millions, you and others of your ilk would be in here pointing out the "MacDonalds" effect. Namely that just because a game has a lot of subs doesn't mean it's good.
_____________________________ Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
ah yeah Andmiller yes there is that old fanbois I love that term .
So when you are in AOC and loving the "brutal combat", and if I come in and say the game is terrible and the combat is awful and I hate the game and no one should play it. Would you not say anything?
Sorry it is all everyone's opinions and us fanbois have the right to it.
The OP was telling everyone what he thought. Same as the ones that disagree are saying.
But I think everyone needs to just relax a tiny bit.
Aoc is becoming increasing bland with each passing month it seems after watching my friend test it. He basically has quit playing it. WAR seems to be on track though. I dont think it will garner my attention as much as Lotro though since its pvp oreinted. Just not my cup of tea. I still think Lotro is the best game out at the moment for some people. Then again the same thing could be said of all games hehe.
The fact that the OP and the LOTRO fanbois throughout this thread are serious, speaks volumes about the genre in general......
Please......WAR AoC.....hurry.....
And you WAR/AoC fanbois will be different how? LOL.
But that's fine. I hope you can be a fanbois for AoC. All the reports leaking out of beta indicate you'll need a legion of fanbois to save it.
_____________________________ Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
ah yeah Andmiller yes there is that old fanbois I love that term . So when you are in AOC and loving the "brutal combat", and if I come in and say the game is terrible and the combat is awful and I hate the game and no one should play it. Would you not say anything? Sorry it is all everyone's opinions and us fanbois have the right to it. The OP was telling everyone what he thought. Same as the ones that disagree are saying. But I think everyone needs to just relax a tiny bit. hugsss to you Andmiller
Uh, no one said you don't have the right to your opinion, however wrong it may be. In fact I am stating mine in saying that I think it is a very sad state of this genre if we are even considering LOTRO "the best game" in it. I mean seriously, you guys don't actually believe that do you?
If the "brutal combat" in AoC is terrible and you say so, I will agree with you. I consider myself rational, unlike some people who are so adamant about how great their game is.
And I am relaxed brother, though I'll pass on the hug. Save it for your next in-game jam session where you get together with your buddies to try and play a "close enough" version of 'Imagine' on your little in-game flutes and banjos.
Uh, no one said you don't have the right to your opinion, however wrong it may be. In fact I am stating mine in saying that I think it is a very sad state of this genre if we are even considering LOTRO "the best game" in it. I mean seriously, you guys don't actually believe that do you?
Having played over 20 MMOs over the passed 7 years, I can honestly say it is, out of the 20 that I've played, the best available. Better than EQ1, EQ2, DAoC, WoW. Better than EVE, SWG:NGE, CoX, DDO.
Now some MMOs still entertained me for awhile (EVE, CoX), but LOTRO has them beat.
And no, I'm not delusional. I'm quite sober when I say that. Having lived through the SWG destruction, I'm very cynical and cautious. LOTRO is number 1 in my book.
_____________________________ Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
I disagree, LOTRO is a long way off even being close to the best MMO available and with the new releases in 2008, it will never be the best. To be honest, i think LOTRO is just an average game and saying its the best is just.... lol'able.
What's even funnier is the same type of thread is actually in the EQ2 forums!
_________________________________ JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
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I hope that eventually you'll find enough enjoyment in EQ2 so that you don't feel the need to bash other games just to make the one you like seem superior.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
Noticeably; customer support, hitching, performance on new high-end machines, etc. All are made to seem minor issues in "another" MMO's forums... care to guess which MMO that is?
I can't decide if I like LoTRO or not. My big complaint, that I don't see all that often, is that the classes kind of blow.
I realize that it doesn't really fit with the lore to have Wizards or Rangers or whatever, but who really wants to spend all their time trying to become the best Lore Master out there? WTF is a lore master anyway? I read the books back in the day, and I think they may have 1 throw away sentence, so clearly there should not be thousands of them running around either.
I dunno, there are things I really like about the game, I just think the lore at times is almost a problem. Knowing that I'll never be one of the leaders in the world is sapping my motivation to go on much farther than my mid - late 20s.
Also, combat kind of blows compared to both WoW and EQ2. I'm used to it being much twitchy-er. LoTRO's combat reminds me of what I hated about combat in EQ2 at release. It alkso reminds me of being on a bad connection trying to hit someone in druid cat form on wow.. I run along madly spamming keys behind the enemies while nothing happens.
I agree with the OP.
I also never claim EQ2 is the best MMO ever made. I think it is a good MMO, and I enjoy it...but I also have never said EQ2 is the end all be all of MMO's..
It is impressive what has been done with EQ2 in the last two years (since you have NOT been back there)...meanwhile games like WoW stagnate, and LOTRO copies them.
Sorry but nothing is realy copyed from EQ2, EQ2 was a terrble game at lanch, (but im sure you were somewere els back then) and took away all credibilty for me, Lotro instead was amzingly good at lanch, infact it was the best mmo lanches ever made, and quality that whats makes or breaks a game for me.
I disagree, EQ was a unique great game at launch. Then they tried to copy WoW and turned it into a poor poor WoW clone. They had such a great game at launch it is ashame they have no backbone. If they did when people tired of the easy shallow instant gratification that WoW is, they would have loved original EQ 2.
I also never claim EQ2 is the best MMO ever made. I think it is a good MMO, and I enjoy it...but I also have never said EQ2 is the end all be all of MMO's..
It is impressive what has been done with EQ2 in the last two years (since you have NOT been back there)...meanwhile games like WoW stagnate, and LOTRO copies them.
Sorry but nothing is realy copyed from EQ2, EQ2 was a terrble game at lanch, (but im sure you were somewere els back then) and took away all credibilty for me, Lotro instead was amzingly good at lanch, infact it was the best mmo lanches ever made, and quality that whats makes or breaks a game for me.
I disagree, EQ was a unique great game at launch. Then they tried to copy WoW and turned it into a poor poor WoW clone. They had such a great game at launch it is ashame they have no backbone. If they did when people tired of the easy shallow instant gratification that WoW is, they would have loved original EQ 2.
Sorry, I have to agree with Ackbar on this one. I was utterly underwhelmed by launch EQ II. It ran like crap, it was buggy, class balance was horrid, and the crafting system was the worst grind I have ever experienced in my life. The system where you had to go through 20 levels as a generic character just to pick your class I also really disliked. I had been looking forward to that game for such a long time, it was a collossal disappointment.
www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html
Sub numbers confirm I wasn't the only one that wasn't impressed. In the first year after luanch players fled from it in droves. Sub numbers didn't start to move up again until the luanch of EoF, which added in all the play elements that you hate. Since SOE "ruined" it EQ II has been steadilly gaining subs.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Its a bit far fetched to compare the launch of EQ2 and LOTRo. Let me recall my days in both events.
Being a loyal EQ player for some years (till multiple 60s), I am understandably attracted to EQ2. Pre-order, blah blah blah. Then I tried it at launch. Its a mess. I just failed to gain any EQ feel about it. Its not overly buggy, but the game feel detached. I cannot remember what exactly was wrong but the feeling is not right. I never finished the first free month. I stopped my sub. A poor launch is very bad news, I do not reconsider EQ2 till couple years later.
LOTRo, I was lucky enough to get into CB, then some family matters pinned me down at home for many months, idle. LOTRo CB becomes the easy way out, b/c I can go afk anytime in a CB and not feel worried about dying. After all, we got character wipes anyway. LOTRo got me. The launch got me. The game is polished, everything feels right. The world was small then, its still small now, but the smooth launch does its magic. I go life-time.
I do not mean to say that EQ2 is inferior to LOTRo now. Actually the 2 games are very mature and good now. But the quality of launch makes all the differences. To me at least.
Not many games recover after a bad launch, and most all of them took a long painful road to come back, gratz to EVE, EQ2. WoW is the only game I remember that recovers almost instantly from a pretty messy launch.
The issue at hand is the OP's title, and how this is a factual error. The title was stated as a fact, and it is clear that it is not. Many other threads are filled with players leaving LOTRO due to no content...
I think this is a common case for all MMO's (except maybe WoW which seems to have a strong end game for it's player base...I do not prefer their end game myself...but, people are different)
I agree LOTRO had an awesome launch..I never disagreed with that. But, as the game aged...the fun factor dwindled...with boring content. And then various UI issues (there is less control of the UI than in WoW or EQ2), issues with traffic, outages here and there...but, it still was a better game than WoW or EQ2 for a launch title...
But, now they are getting long in the tooth, and need to kick it up, get innovative, and do something unique..or stagnate...and this does not mean enhance "Chicken Play"
These are not signs of the "Best MMO available"...and if they were, we would see scrips in the Million range at least...but, not right now...but, hopefully the special announcement will fix that.
Thanks
Yes ,Lotro is a good game,but not the best, WoW is the Lord now
First off let me say, I really hate it when people post things like.
"As to why I continue here, is to make sure the wool is not pulled over the eyes of those who do not know better by those who think LOTRO is a god send."
It is like well you all are to stupid to know what a good game is so I am going to be here to tell you.
There are many of us who are quite happy with LOTRO. Ok, it is not a game for everyone. But don't you think people have a right to try it and have their own opinion.
Of course I am one of those, if you tell me it is a bad game I am going to try for my own opinion. So you just might be defeating your plan. But then I love LOTRO was in beta and am having a great time.
I say try the game for yourself and never mind the people that cut it down.
You all have a good day.
hugss to you
OMG you are way to funny Openedge.
Major hugsss to you
I disagree, LOTRO is a long way off even being close to the best MMO available and with the new releases in 2008, it will never be the best. To be honest, i think LOTRO is just an average game and saying its the best is just.... lol'able.
And if LOTRO had subs in the millions, you and others of your ilk would be in here pointing out the "MacDonalds" effect. Namely that just because a game has a lot of subs doesn't mean it's good.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
The fact that the OP and the LOTRO fanbois throughout this thread are serious, speaks volumes about the genre in general......
Please......WAR AoC.....hurry.....
ah yeah Andmiller yes there is that old fanbois I love that term .
So when you are in AOC and loving the "brutal combat", and if I come in and say the game is terrible and the combat is awful and I hate the game and no one should play it. Would you not say anything?
Sorry it is all everyone's opinions and us fanbois have the right to it.
The OP was telling everyone what he thought. Same as the ones that disagree are saying.
But I think everyone needs to just relax a tiny bit.
hugsss to you Andmiller
Aoc is becoming increasing bland with each passing month it seems after watching my friend test it. He basically has quit playing it. WAR seems to be on track though. I dont think it will garner my attention as much as Lotro though since its pvp oreinted. Just not my cup of tea. I still think Lotro is the best game out at the moment for some people. Then again the same thing could be said of all games hehe.
But that's fine. I hope you can be a fanbois for AoC. All the reports leaking out of beta indicate you'll need a legion of fanbois to save it.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
Uh, no one said you don't have the right to your opinion, however wrong it may be. In fact I am stating mine in saying that I think it is a very sad state of this genre if we are even considering LOTRO "the best game" in it. I mean seriously, you guys don't actually believe that do you?
If the "brutal combat" in AoC is terrible and you say so, I will agree with you. I consider myself rational, unlike some people who are so adamant about how great their game is.
And I am relaxed brother, though I'll pass on the hug. Save it for your next in-game jam session where you get together with your buddies to try and play a "close enough" version of 'Imagine' on your little in-game flutes and banjos.
Now some MMOs still entertained me for awhile (EVE, CoX), but LOTRO has them beat.
And no, I'm not delusional. I'm quite sober when I say that. Having lived through the SWG destruction, I'm very cynical and cautious. LOTRO is number 1 in my book.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
What's even funnier is the same type of thread is actually in the EQ2 forums!
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
This thought that the incredibly overhyped AoC and WAR will be the saving grace of the MMO world speaks BIG volumes about the genre...
I am so looking foward to their releases.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth