Sorry fire but I couldn't read through your entire post for the second thread you posted it in but I would like to comment on the FACT that some of the things I am reading in this NDA Spam fest of your is completely laughable. Especially the part about the PQ boss.
Sorry fire but I couldn't read through your entire post for the second thread you posted it in but I would like to comment on the FACT that some of the things I am reading in this NDA Spam fest of your is completely laughable. Especially the part about the PQ boss.
Yup that part is pretty stupid.
But he probably didn't know that the contribution system was there...
To be honest, it would probably be best to remove or edit your post a ton, otherwise you are likely going to get banned on MMORPG.com for an NDA violation since you are the one spreading his word.
I read that NDA breaking review of beta a few days ago and on the same site was 3 other reviews , il just assume you got it from the same site i read it on
and the guy wrote that review was overly criticlethere was 2 or 3 other reviews (recent ones) and game is actualy going pretty well they even had videos to back it up so take that flame fest with a pinch of salt they actualy said the game is good just needs some tweaking so fingers crossed
Its just a result of getting sucked into the over hyping of mmo's we see these days.
I read that NDA breaking review of beta a few days ago and on the same site was 3 other reviews , il just assume you got it from the same site i read it on and the guy wrote that review was overly criticlethere was 2 or 3 other reviews (recent ones) and game is actualy going pretty well they even had videos to back it up so take that flame fest with a pinch of salt they actualy said the game is good just needs some tweaking so fingers crossed
Its just a result of getting sucked into the over hyping of mmo's we see these days.
Quoted for truth.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
I read that NDA breaking review of beta a few days ago and on the same site was 3 other reviews , il just assume you got it from the same site i read it on and the guy wrote that review was overly criticlethere was 2 or 3 other reviews (recent ones) and game is actualy going pretty well they even had videos to back it up so take that flame fest with a pinch of salt they actualy said the game is good just needs some tweaking so fingers crossed
Its just a result of getting sucked into the over hyping of mmo's we see these days.
I hope something comes out I can enjoy. I hate raiding in WoW . Actually its just most of the raiders. I recently went back to WoW on a new server and restarted leveling again. End game of WoW is really not that enjoyable to me so I have a habit of jurt making lots of alts to to level and play with lower level guildies. I was really hoping to play AoC but I think my computer would explode if I tried that. I've played Eve,Uo,EQ,EQ2,Shadowbane,DAoC,AC,AO ,CoX,and LotRO but come back to WoW to group with friends. I really miss the community from my old server Nimue in DAoC circa 2004 and WoW has a lacking community but for now it is the most tolerable game for me going. I hope WAR is a great game or maybe might try GW.
I know I will probably get flamed but who cares. My computer currently has a256mb PCI card. I want know will PCi-E cards work in PCI slot or do I need to try and find a 51mb pci card
I think there will be tons of real PVPer's leave WOW for WAR. Mythic already has the best reputation for MMO PVP. DAOC model still reigns supreme. WAR has 700k plus beta applications. People have been long awaited a superior mega team based PVP game. PVP with a purpose. WOW is not a PVP game i fact its a PVE game with PVP instanced added on. Its format is similar to CTF or Counterstrike for that matter.
Not brain intensive thats for sure. DAOC requires strategy WOW doesn't at all. It was stated in the early days that WAR in order to be successful would have to be far above evolutionary. It will have to be a revolutionary game and it will be. It will do better what no other game in the world has done from a PVP perspective imo. DAOC fan base in general are hardcore players. I cant wait and hope it lives up to my expectations. Summer release isn't necessarily optimum when folks are on vacation or doing the out door thing but who knows.
I'm not sure about "revolutionary" since the game is pretty much WoW exactly to the bone with more classes.
You have no idea what you're talking about...
The very core idea of the game is a 180 degrees turn from WoW.
It is the UI and gfx that are similar to WoW, but the game's basic premise has absolutely nothing to do with WoW.
For reasons I'm not allowed to legally state, it's definitely WoW. Warcraft borrowed most of its backstory/lore from Warhammer anyway, so even the basic premise is close to the same.
That's not to say that's a bad thing, I'm just as excited as everyone, but if you're looking for a complete 180 from WoW, this isn't the game.
More likely a exodus from warhammer beta to Age of Conan.
Hehe i can pretty much guarentee that won t happen. Sure some in beta will buy it and play it UNTIL WAR comes out then the opposite will happen . As far as it s like WOW it isn t in many ways, sure it may play somewhat like it but that is not a bad thing. Lets look , Public Quests WAR has them WOW nope. Raids ie PQ s can be joined solo WAR yes WOW no, RVR/PVP that has meaning and changes the world , WAR yes WOW no. The list goes on. The bottom line is they re taking sme strong points from WOW sure but doing alot of things that WOW doesn t have until WOW with x pacs and updates will include because WAR and somewhat AOC is doing. Competition is a good thing makes them all work harder and in the end we all have better products to enjoy. Well we hope it does anyways
Wow is a "Drug", because peope get addicted to it.
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Wow is the "First Love" for lots of people.
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Wow is low end hardware friendly, but still have COOL graphics.
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I doubt a "good videogame" may beat WoW, because WoW today is more than a videogame for some people. Even if the WoW guys quit WoW, it will be still the "first love",and will ask for wow features on the new girl...^H^H mmos.
I'm not sure about "revolutionary" since the game is pretty much WoW exactly to the bone with more classes.
You have no idea what you're talking about... The very core idea of the game is a 180 degrees turn from WoW. It is the UI and gfx that are similar to WoW, but the game's basic premise has absolutely nothing to do with WoW.
For reasons I'm not allowed to legally state, it's definitely WoW. Warcraft borrowed most of its backstory/lore from Warhammer anyway, so even the basic premise is close to the same. That's not to say that's a bad thing, I'm just as excited as everyone, but if you're looking for a complete 180 from WoW, this isn't the game.
Really so WoW has Morale build up (more powerful attackts you have to build up an ability bar to use), Tactics, Renown oh my god can I siege a city in WoW and take it over and throw out the otherside? Are the cities becoming dynamic now? I mean if WAR is WoW then WoW mus tof finally given in to years worth of demands for Capitol Sieges and all the things they promised us but took away in favor of shit instances and shit raids.
Last I looked, read, and researched on WAR through articles...WoW is still a crappy casual PvE game with hardcore tact on at the end. It doesn't offer a Tome of Knowledge, Plungers of the World, Capitol Sieges, an Endless struggle to protect & take over lands..Hell it doesnt' even have Public Quests with an actual FAIR Loot system.
Seriously go burry your head back in the sand.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I mean if WAR is WoW then WoW mus tof finally given in to years worth of demands for Capitol Sieges and all the things they promised us but took away in favor of shit instances and shit raids.
Hmm what? Can you point me in the direction of a game with better raids than WoW? (Don't say EQ2).
I would say that most people who play WoW play it for the PvE. If they played it for the PvP then they would have left long ago like I did. I don't think we will see any sort of exodus from WoW.
I mean if WAR is WoW then WoW mus tof finally given in to years worth of demands for Capitol Sieges and all the things they promised us but took away in favor of shit instances and shit raids.
Hmm what? Can you point me in the direction of a game with better raids than WoW? (Don't say EQ2).
Raids Suck I hate Raids ... its one o fthe reasosn WAR rocks to me and WoW sucks...I dont have to Raid in order to progress in end game. Still the fact you picked this out instead of the actual topic of my post is funny. Go play your raids and be happy with WoW I personally dont care what happens to wow or its fanbase. I just dont like WoW...and I'm overjoyed at the direction of WAR...people who call it a clone know nothing about the game.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I'm not sure about "revolutionary" since the game is pretty much WoW exactly to the bone with more classes.
You have no idea what you're talking about... The very core idea of the game is a 180 degrees turn from WoW. It is the UI and gfx that are similar to WoW, but the game's basic premise has absolutely nothing to do with WoW.
For reasons I'm not allowed to legally state, it's definitely WoW. Warcraft borrowed most of its backstory/lore from Warhammer anyway, so even the basic premise is close to the same. That's not to say that's a bad thing, I'm just as excited as everyone, but if you're looking for a complete 180 from WoW, this isn't the game.
Really so WoW has Morale build up (more powerful attackts you have to build up an ability bar to use), Tactics, Renown oh my god can I siege a city in WoW and take it over and throw out the otherside? Are the cities becoming dynamic now? I mean if WAR is WoW then WoW mus tof finally given in to years worth of demands for Capitol Sieges and all the things they promised us but took away in favor of shit instances and shit raids.
Last I looked, read, and researched on WAR through articles...WoW is still a crappy casual PvE game with hardcore tact on at the end. It doesn't offer a Tome of Knowledge, Plungers of the World, Capitol Sieges, an Endless struggle to protect & take over lands..Hell it doesnt' even have Public Quests with an actual FAIR Loot system.
Seriously go burry your head back in the sand.
A little defensive aren't we? Step outside, take a deep breath, and then return to the computer...
I wasn't arguing with you about the PvP, in fact if you took the time to read my last couple posts I heralded the PvP (RvR) of Warhammer online stating that it is similar to WoW with an infinitely better PvPing system.
I'm not putting down your game, like I said I'm excited about this game too and will be preordering the CE, I'm just drawing up the [pretty obvious and exact] similarities WAR is using to try and draw in the WoW crowd to be the "WoW-killer," what better way to do it than make it feel like something they are used to with more gameplay options?
I laugh because there seems to be the issue with WAR NDA that you are allowed to state you are in the beta, and that there is a beta, so ANYBODY can claim they are in it, whether or not they truly are is a different story. Coming from somebody who played WoW beta and stayed till March of 07' if you think this is WoW all over again than I doubt you are in beta, not that WoW was a bad thing. But like some others have pointed out:
1) You have to participate in PQs to get loot, you can't just leach, isn't that what they have been saying? In WoW you can just auto follow and get loot left and right, be AFK during a boss fight and still get loot, and so on.
2) WoW is a PVE game first, PvP game second. WAR is an RvR game first, PVE game second.
3) In WoW open world PvP sucks and nothing happens to the world no matter what you do, there is no major change. In WAR you can take over an enemies city completely, take their resources, and unlock lairs and things that you wouldn't have access to if you had not taken over the city.
4) WoW has no Tome of Knowledge so you truly have no reason to explore, they have no rewards for players who just straight grind rather than quest, nothing in game for lore lovers to read the stories of the game, no in game bestiary, nothing that tracks how many times you have been killed, and whatever else the Tome is supposed to support.
5) WoW has no trophy system to help with character customization, nor do they have armor dyes to be able to change your end game set of gears look from somebody elses.
6) WAR has a tactics system, WoW has no such thing.
7) WAR has a morale system, WoW has no such thing.
8) WAR has keeps that your guild can own, WoW does not.
9) During Keep fights you are supposed to be able to take enemy guilds banners and display them on your keep walls for all to see, and this should help form guild rivalries. WoW has nothing like this.
10) WAR will be able to support massive battles, WoW crashed every time my server tried to have an open world 75 on 75.
11) WoW had PVE levels, and they used to have pvp levels but took them out. WAR has PVE levels, RvR levels, AND guild levels.
12) The guild tools from what we have seen blow away what WoW had to offer.
13) Realm pride in WoW is bragging about progression in PVE, realm pride in WAR is all about the RvR.
14) Everything you do in WAR is supposed to contribute to the WAR effort whether it be grinding, questing, or RvR. WoW offers.. oh wait.
15) WoW's PVE servers allowed fighting only when flagged. WAR Core Server is still supposed to have massive RvR zones that auto flag you upon entering.
16) WoW supports ganking, in WAR you turn into a chicken if you go into an rvr area too low for you.
Yup, same exact game it looks like.
EDIT: THEY ARE THE SAME EXACT GAMES!! Look at this map!
Raid is a general term used to describe multiple groups in one "party". WoW raids were fantastic to be honest and the only other game that gave me that good of a feeling while doing PVE End game WAS EQ. You will be "raiding" if you want to do city sieging, unless you only care to see the health bars of your party and your party only.
"5) WoW has no trophy system to help with character customization, nor do they have armor dyes to be able to change your end game set of gears look from somebody elses."
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Sorry fire but I couldn't read through your entire post for the second thread you posted it in but I would like to comment on the FACT that some of the things I am reading in this NDA Spam fest of your is completely laughable. Especially the part about the PQ boss.
Yup that part is pretty stupid.
But he probably didn't know that the contribution system was there...
To be honest, it would probably be best to remove or edit your post a ton, otherwise you are likely going to get banned on MMORPG.com for an NDA violation since you are the one spreading his word.
I read that NDA breaking review of beta a few days ago and on the same site was 3 other reviews , il just assume you got it from the same site i read it on
and the guy wrote that review was overly criticlethere was 2 or 3 other reviews (recent ones) and game is actualy going pretty well they even had videos to back it up so take that flame fest with a pinch of salt they actualy said the game is good just needs some tweaking so fingers crossed
Its just a result of getting sucked into the over hyping of mmo's we see these days.
Quoted for truth.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Quoted for truth.
Quoted the guy who Quoted the Truth.
I hope something comes out I can enjoy. I hate raiding in WoW . Actually its just most of the raiders. I recently went back to WoW on a new server and restarted leveling again. End game of WoW is really not that enjoyable to me so I have a habit of jurt making lots of alts to to level and play with lower level guildies. I was really hoping to play AoC but I think my computer would explode if I tried that. I've played Eve,Uo,EQ,EQ2,Shadowbane,DAoC,AC,AO ,CoX,and LotRO but come back to WoW to group with friends. I really miss the community from my old server Nimue in DAoC circa 2004 and WoW has a lacking community but for now it is the most tolerable game for me going. I hope WAR is a great game or maybe might try GW.
I know I will probably get flamed but who cares. My computer currently has a256mb PCI card. I want know will PCi-E cards work in PCI slot or do I need to try and find a 51mb pci card
I think there will be tons of real PVPer's leave WOW for WAR. Mythic already has the best reputation for MMO PVP. DAOC model still reigns supreme. WAR has 700k plus beta applications. People have been long awaited a superior mega team based PVP game. PVP with a purpose. WOW is not a PVP game i fact its a PVE game with PVP instanced added on. Its format is similar to CTF or Counterstrike for that matter.
Not brain intensive thats for sure. DAOC requires strategy WOW doesn't at all. It was stated in the early days that WAR in order to be successful would have to be far above evolutionary. It will have to be a revolutionary game and it will be. It will do better what no other game in the world has done from a PVP perspective imo. DAOC fan base in general are hardcore players. I cant wait and hope it lives up to my expectations. Summer release isn't necessarily optimum when folks are on vacation or doing the out door thing but who knows.
I do agree it'll be an absolute blast though, the RvR model is tried and true and that alone is enough to get my blood pumping
FFXI: Gauhar - Odin
More likely a exodus from warhammer beta to Age of Conan.
Doubt it.
You have no idea what you're talking about...
The very core idea of the game is a 180 degrees turn from WoW.
It is the UI and gfx that are similar to WoW, but the game's basic premise has absolutely nothing to do with WoW.
You have no idea what you're talking about...
The very core idea of the game is a 180 degrees turn from WoW.
It is the UI and gfx that are similar to WoW, but the game's basic premise has absolutely nothing to do with WoW.
For reasons I'm not allowed to legally state, it's definitely WoW. Warcraft borrowed most of its backstory/lore from Warhammer anyway, so even the basic premise is close to the same.
That's not to say that's a bad thing, I'm just as excited as everyone, but if you're looking for a complete 180 from WoW, this isn't the game.
FFXI: Gauhar - Odin
Hehe i can pretty much guarentee that won t happen. Sure some in beta will buy it and play it UNTIL WAR comes out then the opposite will happen . As far as it s like WOW it isn t in many ways, sure it may play somewhat like it but that is not a bad thing. Lets look , Public Quests WAR has them WOW nope. Raids ie PQ s can be joined solo WAR yes WOW no, RVR/PVP that has meaning and changes the world , WAR yes WOW no. The list goes on. The bottom line is they re taking sme strong points from WOW sure but doing alot of things that WOW doesn t have until WOW with x pacs and updates will include because WAR and somewhat AOC is doing. Competition is a good thing makes them all work harder and in the end we all have better products to enjoy. Well we hope it does anyways
Drugs, Love and Video Cards
Wow is a "Drug", because peope get addicted to it.
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Wow is the "First Love" for lots of people.
+
Wow is low end hardware friendly, but still have COOL graphics.
=
I doubt a "good videogame" may beat WoW, because WoW today is more than a videogame for some people. Even if the WoW guys quit WoW, it will be still the "first love",and will ask for wow features on the new girl...^H^H mmos.
For reasons I'm not allowed to legally state, it's definitely WoW. Warcraft borrowed most of its backstory/lore from Warhammer anyway, so even the basic premise is close to the same. That's not to say that's a bad thing, I'm just as excited as everyone, but if you're looking for a complete 180 from WoW, this isn't the game.
Really so WoW has Morale build up (more powerful attackts you have to build up an ability bar to use), Tactics, Renown oh my god can I siege a city in WoW and take it over and throw out the otherside? Are the cities becoming dynamic now? I mean if WAR is WoW then WoW mus tof finally given in to years worth of demands for Capitol Sieges and all the things they promised us but took away in favor of shit instances and shit raids.
Last I looked, read, and researched on WAR through articles...WoW is still a crappy casual PvE game with hardcore tact on at the end. It doesn't offer a Tome of Knowledge, Plungers of the World, Capitol Sieges, an Endless struggle to protect & take over lands..Hell it doesnt' even have Public Quests with an actual FAIR Loot system.
Seriously go burry your head back in the sand.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
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I mean if WAR is WoW then WoW mus tof finally given in to years worth of demands for Capitol Sieges and all the things they promised us but took away in favor of shit instances and shit raids.
Hmm what? Can you point me in the direction of a game with better raids than WoW? (Don't say EQ2).
I would say that most people who play WoW play it for the PvE. If they played it for the PvP then they would have left long ago like I did. I don't think we will see any sort of exodus from WoW.
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I mean if WAR is WoW then WoW mus tof finally given in to years worth of demands for Capitol Sieges and all the things they promised us but took away in favor of shit instances and shit raids.
Hmm what? Can you point me in the direction of a game with better raids than WoW? (Don't say EQ2).
Raids Suck I hate Raids ... its one o fthe reasosn WAR rocks to me and WoW sucks...I dont have to Raid in order to progress in end game. Still the fact you picked this out instead of the actual topic of my post is funny. Go play your raids and be happy with WoW I personally dont care what happens to wow or its fanbase. I just dont like WoW...and I'm overjoyed at the direction of WAR...people who call it a clone know nothing about the game.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
For reasons I'm not allowed to legally state, it's definitely WoW. Warcraft borrowed most of its backstory/lore from Warhammer anyway, so even the basic premise is close to the same. That's not to say that's a bad thing, I'm just as excited as everyone, but if you're looking for a complete 180 from WoW, this isn't the game.
Really so WoW has Morale build up (more powerful attackts you have to build up an ability bar to use), Tactics, Renown oh my god can I siege a city in WoW and take it over and throw out the otherside? Are the cities becoming dynamic now? I mean if WAR is WoW then WoW mus tof finally given in to years worth of demands for Capitol Sieges and all the things they promised us but took away in favor of shit instances and shit raids.
Last I looked, read, and researched on WAR through articles...WoW is still a crappy casual PvE game with hardcore tact on at the end. It doesn't offer a Tome of Knowledge, Plungers of the World, Capitol Sieges, an Endless struggle to protect & take over lands..Hell it doesnt' even have Public Quests with an actual FAIR Loot system.
Seriously go burry your head back in the sand.
A little defensive aren't we? Step outside, take a deep breath, and then return to the computer...
I wasn't arguing with you about the PvP, in fact if you took the time to read my last couple posts I heralded the PvP (RvR) of Warhammer online stating that it is similar to WoW with an infinitely better PvPing system.
I'm not putting down your game, like I said I'm excited about this game too and will be preordering the CE, I'm just drawing up the [pretty obvious and exact] similarities WAR is using to try and draw in the WoW crowd to be the "WoW-killer," what better way to do it than make it feel like something they are used to with more gameplay options?
Now go take that breath of fresh air.
FFXI: Gauhar - Odin
Ah lol, so YOU don't like raids so I guess that means they are all crap. Thanks for clarifying that point.
I laugh because there seems to be the issue with WAR NDA that you are allowed to state you are in the beta, and that there is a beta, so ANYBODY can claim they are in it, whether or not they truly are is a different story. Coming from somebody who played WoW beta and stayed till March of 07' if you think this is WoW all over again than I doubt you are in beta, not that WoW was a bad thing. But like some others have pointed out:
1) You have to participate in PQs to get loot, you can't just leach, isn't that what they have been saying? In WoW you can just auto follow and get loot left and right, be AFK during a boss fight and still get loot, and so on.
2) WoW is a PVE game first, PvP game second. WAR is an RvR game first, PVE game second.
3) In WoW open world PvP sucks and nothing happens to the world no matter what you do, there is no major change. In WAR you can take over an enemies city completely, take their resources, and unlock lairs and things that you wouldn't have access to if you had not taken over the city.
4) WoW has no Tome of Knowledge so you truly have no reason to explore, they have no rewards for players who just straight grind rather than quest, nothing in game for lore lovers to read the stories of the game, no in game bestiary, nothing that tracks how many times you have been killed, and whatever else the Tome is supposed to support.
5) WoW has no trophy system to help with character customization, nor do they have armor dyes to be able to change your end game set of gears look from somebody elses.
6) WAR has a tactics system, WoW has no such thing.
7) WAR has a morale system, WoW has no such thing.
8) WAR has keeps that your guild can own, WoW does not.
9) During Keep fights you are supposed to be able to take enemy guilds banners and display them on your keep walls for all to see, and this should help form guild rivalries. WoW has nothing like this.
10) WAR will be able to support massive battles, WoW crashed every time my server tried to have an open world 75 on 75.
11) WoW had PVE levels, and they used to have pvp levels but took them out. WAR has PVE levels, RvR levels, AND guild levels.
12) The guild tools from what we have seen blow away what WoW had to offer.
13) Realm pride in WoW is bragging about progression in PVE, realm pride in WAR is all about the RvR.
14) Everything you do in WAR is supposed to contribute to the WAR effort whether it be grinding, questing, or RvR. WoW offers.. oh wait.
15) WoW's PVE servers allowed fighting only when flagged. WAR Core Server is still supposed to have massive RvR zones that auto flag you upon entering.
16) WoW supports ganking, in WAR you turn into a chicken if you go into an rvr area too low for you.
Yup, same exact game it looks like.
EDIT: THEY ARE THE SAME EXACT GAMES!! Look at this map!
Raid is a general term used to describe multiple groups in one "party". WoW raids were fantastic to be honest and the only other game that gave me that good of a feeling while doing PVE End game WAS EQ. You will be "raiding" if you want to do city sieging, unless you only care to see the health bars of your party and your party only.
I like this part
FFXI: Gauhar - Odin