Your talking more about screen resolution. It is true that WoW only properly scales to a certain screen resolution range but screen resolution is as you see only part of the issue with their graphics. They're using DX7 while we're up to DX10 now (even tho most games don't use 10).
Special effects (such as lighting) could care less what your screen resolution is. The over all look of things like Geometry & 2D huds on the other hand are affected by resolution. Which is why things will look blurred or distorted if you reach a resolution range that the game or your hardware don't support.
The guy in the article is right it can be costly to account for every resolution range possible but not from an engine design point. That all comes down to the artists, the engine itself really doesn't give crap what your resolution for most things is. Don't get me wrong Graphics Engines are incredibly expensive but even now the prices are starting to drop more and more due to the overwhelming engine competetion.
(Just for reference WAR is using the newest Gamebro or something like that, its all coming down to art content and actually turning ON the high res stuff which i doubt will happen during Beta since they aren't doing a tech beta they're doing a game play beta like Most MMO's do)
The further you scale down or up the more art for each scale you have to build. PC Games are fubar'd in that respect it either looks really good because they have awsome Mid to High range ability or like crap because they only support Low to Mid like WoW. WoW though has atleast figured out how to use special effects to their advantage to make things look shinier than they really are, plus they don't use any advanced rendering techinques past lighting & shadow which plays a huge factor for anyone running old GPU cards.
The article is right though as much as I love PC games...PC's just arent' friendly for Making games thanks to Microsoft, Intel, Nvidia and other companies involved in the PC component business. They rush out more and more top stuff leaving all us poor developers & engineers in the dust as far as keeping up to speed.
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Look here is the reality. People play WoW because of the community in large part. Take away the community and you get.... a niche market game.
Here's the deal if people can't play the game on something like a 700-900 dollar laptop, which blow out the door all day long in places like BestBuy or online at NewEgg.com, then guess what?? You just lost 40 million perspective customers and just reduced your gaming pool down to 2-3 million people who call themselves "gamers." Once you redefine yourself as a game for hardcore "gamers" then you are basically going to be a 100k subscription game. Which is why WAR chose not to follow that strategy.
Hey the older I get the less I'll spend on an expensive computer. If I can't play it on my 800 dollar ACER laptop, I just play something else. I think it's hillarious going to the AoC forum and listen to their advice on what graphics cards to upgrade too. You realy think women and casual gamers are going to go out and buy a graphics card and install it, just to play AoC? Give me a break.
Going for the high end market is like making a tv show that only runs in HD. Good luck with that.
If I can't play it on my 800 dollar ACER laptop, I just play something else. You realy think women and casual gamers are going to go out and buy a graphics card and install it, just to play AoC? Give me a break. Going for the high end market is like making a tv show that only runs in HD. Good luck with that.
Buying an ACER anything is asking to get crap quality, so I'm not sure why you would buy an 800 dollar one.
I love how you lump "women" and "casual gamers" in the same area. It's an great sexist insult.
As for the HD TV show, they already have quite a few, and they are doing well. Everyday the HD market grows. Now, if the rest of the TV shows would stop being lazy and upgrade to HD, we wouldn't have to be limited to 20 channels of HD and the rest normal TV.
I think WAR is dead on in its thinking. Look here is the reality. People play WoW because of the community in large part. Take away the community and you get.... a niche market game. Here's the deal if people can't play the game on something like a 700-900 dollar laptop, which blow out the door all day long in places like BestBuy or online at NewEgg.com, then guess what?? You just lost 40 million perspective customers and just reduced your gaming pool down to 2-3 million people who call themselves "gamers." Once you redefine yourself as a game for hardcore "gamers" then you are basically going to be a 100k subscription game. Which is why WAR chose not to follow that strategy. Hey the older I get the less I'll spend on an expensive computer. If I can't play it on my 800 dollar ACER laptop, I just play something else. I think it's hillarious going to the AoC forum and listen to their advice on what graphics cards to upgrade too. You realy think women and casual gamers are going to go out and buy a graphics card and install it, just to play AoC? Give me a break. Going for the high end market is like making a tv show that only runs in HD. Good luck with that.
This post is full of great generalizations. My personal favorite is highlighted in red. But hey, maybe I'm just ignorant, and everything he said is true.
BTW, you can get a PC for 800 or less that will run AoC just fine (according to their System Requirements), so your point is a little moot anyway.
But hey, nobody is forcing you to invest money in a PC. If you are happy with what you have and what you can play with it, then by all means.
I think WAR is dead on in its thinking. Look here is the reality. People play WoW because of the community in large part. Take away the community and you get.... a niche market game. Here's the deal if people can't play the game on something like a 700-900 dollar laptop, which blow out the door all day long in places like BestBuy or online at NewEgg.com, then guess what?? You just lost 40 million perspective customers and just reduced your gaming pool down to 2-3 million people who call themselves "gamers." Once you redefine yourself as a game for hardcore "gamers" then you are basically going to be a 100k subscription game. Which is why WAR chose not to follow that strategy. Hey the older I get the less I'll spend on an expensive computer. If I can't play it on my 800 dollar ACER laptop, I just play something else. I think it's hillarious going to the AoC forum and listen to their advice on what graphics cards to upgrade too. You realy think women and casual gamers are going to go out and buy a graphics card and install it, just to play AoC? Give me a break. Going for the high end market is like making a tv show that only runs in HD. Good luck with that.
This post is full of great generalizations. My personal favorite is highlighted in red. But hey, maybe I'm just ignorant, and everything he said is true.
BTW, you can get a PC for 800 or less that will run AoC just fine (according to their System Requirements), so your point is a little moot anyway.
But hey, nobody is forcing you to invest money in a PC. If you are happy with what you have and what you can play with it, then by all means.
I'm guessing the woman part ruffled your panties. Hey you know it's got some truth to it though or it wouldn't make ya mad.
I said 800-900 dollar LAPTOPS that are going out the door all day. Most people don't even want to waste money on a BOX anymore. Good luck getting a laptop for that price that will run AOC. Who buys a box anymore except for geeks and housewives who sit in one spot all day?
I'm guessing the woman part ruffled your panties. I said 800-900 dollar LAPTOPS that are going out the door all day. Most people don't even want to waste money on a BOX anymore. Good luck getting a laptop for that price. Who buys a box anymore except for geeks and housewives who sit in one spot all day?
More generalizations.
But, as I said in my previous post, feel free to generalize. I am just stating that you are doing so and that you might be off the mark. Or do you have market research data available on your little theories? And can you speak for the whole world? Or can you at least consent that it's just a theory of yours that involves a lot of generalizing? Which is all I said.
It IS a generaliztion. But it's based on real world sales. Don't believe me go down to a Bestbuy and see what's selling. Look at the hundreds of people walking out the door with sub 1k laptops. It's a huge and ever growing part of the market. The days of making big money games for people with "gaming rigs" is going the way of the Dodo. Want market share focus on 800-900 dollar laptops and wireless connections.
Generalization? No, it's an Opinion. It's true that Opinions are like buttholes... everyone has one. But I'll stake some MMO gold behind mine.
It IS a generaliztion. But it's based on real world sales. Don't believe me go down to a Bestbuy and see what's selling. Look at the hundreds of people walking out the door with sub 1k laptops. It's a huge and ever growing part of the market. The days of making big money games for people with "gaming rigs" is going the way of the Dodo. Want market share focus on 800-900 dollar laptops and wireless connections. Generalization? No, it's an Opinion. It's true that Opinions are like buttholes... everyone has one. But I'll stake some MMO gold behind mine.
You -DO- realize you just contradicted yourself, right?
That being said, you are entitled to your opinion and I guess we will see how it all turns out. As for going down to Bestbuy, that's not really for me. See, I live in Europe, Germany, and when I go down to a Multimedia-Store or Computer-Store, I -DO- see quite many Desktop PC's still on sale, particularly for gamers.
So my opinion is backed by what -I- know of real world sales.
You -DO- realize you just contradicted yourself, right?
That being said, you are entitled to your opinion and I guess we will see how it all turns out. As for going down to Bestbuy, that's not really for me. See, I live in Europe, Germany, and when I go down to a Multimedia-Store or Computer-Store, I -DO- see quite many Desktop PC's still on sale, particularly for gamers.
So my opinion is backed by what -I- know of real world sales.
Generalization/ Opinion.... Whatever....
Germany / America... again whatever. Sure with the price of the Euro you Germans have a lot more buying power than us Americans... which only makes my point more valid..... even in Germany though people can't be that different. I find most people these days want a computer they can connect with a wireless connection, can move around the house, can take to work, can take to the coffee shop etc... Who wants some big box with wires that sits in your corner? Nobody wants that... people want freedom.
Even five years ago setting up a wireless system in your home was a rare thing. Most people didn't use wireless in their house. Now just about everyone does. You can buy a Belkin N model wireless router for 50 USD... like 30 Euros. and all you have to do is plug it in. Every Wal-mart in the world sales them.
I live in a REDNECK neighborhood in the South (not the most advanced part of America). I'm 10 miles from town. Even here I see six of my neighbors using a wireless system that is in range of my laptop... SIX rednecks in the middle of nowhere... all on wireless. A generalization??? No it's a revelation.
Go Beyond Germany and the US..... my old WoW clan was 1/4 Arab... all on wireless and connected at some coffee shop in the Middle East. You think they are toting 2000 dollar gaming laptops down to the coffee shop????... And what about Asia? Most of the emerging world probably won't even bother with land wires. Land wires cost to much to get going. Just set up wireless connections.
Fact is, computer games are becoming like Television. You want to make a show that makes big bucks... aka has BIG subscription base... make a game for the system that most people use. Can you really imagine what would happen to a TV executive who came into work one day and said "Ok we are going to make a new TV show, but to watch it everybody needs to get a new TV..." He'd be picking up his last paycheck.
Like you say, time will tell. But I've been gaming since 1975 and I think I'm right on this. The day of the big box gaming rig is going the way of the Dodo bird. Blizzard figured that out and that's why they got 10 million subscriptions.
Blizzard has 10mill subscriptions because of the fact that 1/4 of them are 1 person buying 2+ games to sell accounts and gold. AKA gold farmers/aftermarket gold sellers. That and there is alot of asias starting to get into America MMO. Planetside, WoW being the most popular.
Erm, i hate to point out the obvious, but even if WoW has the absurd number of 1/4 of its subs being gold farmers (i think it would be closer to 1/20th), than that still means there are 7.5 million subscribers. That is WAY higher than any other MMO has ever come close to. WoW was an amazing game, i played it for a year or so and although i wasnt hooked for any longer, the market has definitely proved that WoW is great.
As for its sucsess being because it doesnt require a gaming rig, i dont agree. World of warcraft was anticipated by all MMO players before it came out. All 300-500k of them. That is a fairly small market for games to be honest. However, it also appealed to the starcraft, warcraft, and diablo players, who probably numbered in the millions. WoW did well because it was so well advertised that it was the first MMO that millions of people had ever played. Look back to the first MMO youve played and tell me you didnt like it. My first was T4C, and while any other game similar to it i would see as a piece of crap, i could play that game for years just because it introduced me to MMOs. Beyond it having millions of newbie mmo players, it also delivered a very solid gameplay at launch. It was finished, it was polished, and it was addictive. The only mishap at launch was blizzard not preparing enough servers, but that was fixed in a matter of days. Most other companies release games 80% finished, and dont fix that until months after release, or even years *cough* Vanguard *cough*. Blizzard is a great company, and ive loved every game they have put out.
Back to warhammer, this is a warhammer thread and all. DAoC whupped ass, and i cant wait for Warhammer online. It will keep me busy for years to come.
I'm laughing at all the people that keep saying they are using a crappy outdated game engine. I do hope you people realize the game engine they are using (Gamebryo) is the same game engine used for Oblivion. Yes, Oblivion graphics are way outdated. And BTW, go to a convention they are at and play the game. Screenshots do not do the game justice.
Its a newer version of Gamebyro than was used for ob.
Originally posted by SinisterUrge
There haven't been any screens released with a higher/mdedium res option enabled it seems, that shot on the first page is clearly low res. I'm sure it will look much better after beta, most MMOs in beta of recent memory have not enabled the hi res textures until most of the testing is down to keep the download small.
The SS in the first page is high rest , low settings no doubt. Remember hi-res low settings.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
You -DO- realize you just contradicted yourself, right?
That being said, you are entitled to your opinion and I guess we will see how it all turns out. As for going down to Bestbuy, that's not really for me. See, I live in Europe, Germany, and when I go down to a Multimedia-Store or Computer-Store, I -DO- see quite many Desktop PC's still on sale, particularly for gamers.
So my opinion is backed by what -I- know of real world sales.
Generalization/ Opinion.... Whatever....
Germany / America... again whatever. Sure with the price of the Euro you Germans have a lot more buying power than us Americans... which only makes my point more valid..... even in Germany though people can't be that different. I find most people these days want a computer they can connect with a wireless connection, can move around the house, can take to work, can take to the coffee shop etc... Who wants some big box with wires that sits in your corner? Nobody wants that... people want freedom.
Even five years ago setting up a wireless system in your home was a rare thing. Most people didn't use wireless in their house. Now just about everyone does. You can buy a Belkin N model wireless router for 50 USD... like 30 Euros. and all you have to do is plug it in. Every Wal-mart in the world sales them.
I live in a REDNECK neighborhood in the South (not the most advanced part of America). I'm 10 miles from town. Even here I see six of my neighbors using a wireless system that is in range of my laptop... SIX rednecks in the middle of nowhere... all on wireless. A generalization??? No it's a revelation.
Go Beyond Germany and the US..... my old WoW clan was 1/4 Arab... all on wireless and connected at some coffee shop in the Middle East. You think they are toting 2000 dollar gaming laptops down to the coffee shop????... And what about Asia? Most of the emerging world probably won't even bother with land wires. Land wires cost to much to get going. Just set up wireless connections.
Fact is, computer games are becoming like Television. You want to make a show that makes big bucks... aka has BIG subscription base... make a game for the system that most people use. Can you really imagine what would happen to a TV executive who came into work one day and said "Ok we are going to make a new TV show, but to watch it everybody needs to get a new TV..." He'd be picking up his last paycheck.
Like you say, time will tell. But I've been gaming since 1975 and I think I'm right on this. The day of the big box gaming rig is going the way of the Dodo bird. Blizzard figured that out and that's why they got 10 million subscriptions.
you hit the nail on the head nail on the head. A big percentage of WoW's customer base came from customers with low end machines that there client would run and run quite well on. Majority of consumers have a walmart special PC because it was affordable and they expect to be able to play there game on it. Blizzard gave them what they wanted and reaped the rewards for it. And this tue for there older games. The diablo and starcraft games ran well on lower end machines also you didnt need a gaming rig to run those either. Games geared towards hig end graphix that take all the latest and greatest to run arent going to draw much of a player base.
So...I'm a female...a gamer...not married...I spent nearly 1500 dollars building my computer from scratch..and I just updated my graphics card..Oh and I plan to update the rest of it by the end of the year even though it really doesnt need it since it can already play Crysis (or atleast play it as well as possible considering it was shittily made).
So with all these generalizations of your either a geek or a housewife floating around do I land somewhere off the scale then? I mean ... I know Im not the odd one out I actually know several of other female gamers that are into computers as much as I am. Maybe we're not some overly hormonal vocal group like some posters here but we do exist and there's alot more of us than you think.
Personally I hate wow...WoW looked like crap in closed and Open beta...and funnily looked really really good when it Launched. But as they finally put the end gam etogether I realized it wasn't for me...I'd rather play EQ2 or DAoC any day over WoW and it has nothing to do with the ease of game play that people mistake for it being kiddie that I dislike WoW.
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PS post removed not because i didn't want to post it , instead i want to give it its own thread. Tommarow tho I need to wake in 3 hours.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I somehow guessed elvenangel was going to make a post like that. :-)
I can't help myself when people post retarded things...(not that she doesn't ever posted retarded stuff but atleast she gets the excuse of pain killer during some of those fubars). So when is this thread going to die anyway? its pretty much proven graphics crybabies during beta phases are tards. (does some generalizations cause she can and its funny).
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"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
*is tired of mmo game girl topics avoids it like the plague because it'll just fill up with idiots amongst all the decent folk worse than other topics*
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If you really wanna know the reason WoW was successful is mainly becuase of the RTS market. There where alot of people who played Warcraft/WC2, Heck Warcraft 2 was still going strong while C&C and stuff was out. Heck I would even today mark Warcraft 2 higher than C&C3. Then when Starcraft came out, it pretty much became the biggest game out there for RTS, then later on Warcraft 3 came out.
So really most of WoW success was that it had years and years of marketing behind it, both as a company and a product name. While as games like D&D, Warhammer are pretty much nitch markets to begin with. I think the only one that may have a chance is AoC. And that is mainly due to the movies. The only other one i see is harry potter if they dont wait too long. Star wars still has a chance it just needs to get out of Sony's hands and remade from scrach.
Also my opionion of the gfx in warhammer, I think is substandered. I mean it looks dated, and just doesn't look right... Maybe it was just the settings of screenshots, but I thought square heads and rectangle limbs where outdated.... also, the crafting system just doesn't fit into "my cup of tea" as it where.
If you really wanna know the reason WoW was successful is mainly becuase of the RTS market. There where alot of people who played Warcraft/WC2, Heck Warcraft 2 was still going strong while C&C and stuff was out. Heck I would even today mark Warcraft 2 higher than C&C3. Then when Starcraft came out, it pretty much became the biggest game out there for RTS, then later on Warcraft 3 came out. So really most of WoW success was that it had years and years of marketing behind it, both as a company and a product name. While as games like D&D, Warhammer are pretty much nitch markets to begin with. I think the only one that may have a chance is AoC. And that is mainly due to the movies. The only other one i see is harry potter if they dont wait too long. Star wars still has a chance it just needs to get out of Sony's hands and remade from scrach. Also my opionion of the gfx in warhammer, I think is substandered. I mean it looks dated, and just doesn't look right... Maybe it was just the settings of screenshots, but I thought square heads and rectangle limbs where outdated.... also, the crafting system just doesn't fit into "my cup of tea" as it where.
God bless her for it but Rowling has pretty much nixed / axed any ideas an Harry Potter MMO....dont ask where I heard it it was in an interview years ago (is an admited HP nerd)
BTW mind linking up this square head and rectangled limbs? Its mathmatically impossible for the WAR models, hell for even the WoW models to have square heads and rectangular arms. I dont know what math class your taking but ... its not mathmatically possible.
Your not going to get Crysis style graphics in a game thats made for large scale battles like RvR games.
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Your talking more about screen resolution. It is true that WoW only properly scales to a certain screen resolution range but screen resolution is as you see only part of the issue with their graphics. They're using DX7 while we're up to DX10 now (even tho most games don't use 10).
Special effects (such as lighting) could care less what your screen resolution is. The over all look of things like Geometry & 2D huds on the other hand are affected by resolution. Which is why things will look blurred or distorted if you reach a resolution range that the game or your hardware don't support.
The guy in the article is right it can be costly to account for every resolution range possible but not from an engine design point. That all comes down to the artists, the engine itself really doesn't give crap what your resolution for most things is. Don't get me wrong Graphics Engines are incredibly expensive but even now the prices are starting to drop more and more due to the overwhelming engine competetion.
(Just for reference WAR is using the newest Gamebro or something like that, its all coming down to art content and actually turning ON the high res stuff which i doubt will happen during Beta since they aren't doing a tech beta they're doing a game play beta like Most MMO's do)
The further you scale down or up the more art for each scale you have to build. PC Games are fubar'd in that respect it either looks really good because they have awsome Mid to High range ability or like crap because they only support Low to Mid like WoW. WoW though has atleast figured out how to use special effects to their advantage to make things look shinier than they really are, plus they don't use any advanced rendering techinques past lighting & shadow which plays a huge factor for anyone running old GPU cards.
The article is right though as much as I love PC games...PC's just arent' friendly for Making games thanks to Microsoft, Intel, Nvidia and other companies involved in the PC component business. They rush out more and more top stuff leaving all us poor developers & engineers in the dust as far as keeping up to speed.
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I think WAR is dead on in its thinking.
Look here is the reality. People play WoW because of the community in large part. Take away the community and you get.... a niche market game.
Here's the deal if people can't play the game on something like a 700-900 dollar laptop, which blow out the door all day long in places like BestBuy or online at NewEgg.com, then guess what?? You just lost 40 million perspective customers and just reduced your gaming pool down to 2-3 million people who call themselves "gamers." Once you redefine yourself as a game for hardcore "gamers" then you are basically going to be a 100k subscription game. Which is why WAR chose not to follow that strategy.
Hey the older I get the less I'll spend on an expensive computer. If I can't play it on my 800 dollar ACER laptop, I just play something else. I think it's hillarious going to the AoC forum and listen to their advice on what graphics cards to upgrade too. You realy think women and casual gamers are going to go out and buy a graphics card and install it, just to play AoC? Give me a break.
Going for the high end market is like making a tv show that only runs in HD. Good luck with that.
Buying an ACER anything is asking to get crap quality, so I'm not sure why you would buy an 800 dollar one.I love how you lump "women" and "casual gamers" in the same area. It's an great sexist insult.
As for the HD TV show, they already have quite a few, and they are doing well. Everyday the HD market grows. Now, if the rest of the TV shows would stop being lazy and upgrade to HD, we wouldn't have to be limited to 20 channels of HD and the rest normal TV.
BTW, you can get a PC for 800 or less that will run AoC just fine (according to their System Requirements), so your point is a little moot anyway.
But hey, nobody is forcing you to invest money in a PC. If you are happy with what you have and what you can play with it, then by all means.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
This post is full of great generalizations. My personal favorite is highlighted in red. But hey, maybe I'm just ignorant, and everything he said is true.BTW, you can get a PC for 800 or less that will run AoC just fine (according to their System Requirements), so your point is a little moot anyway.
But hey, nobody is forcing you to invest money in a PC. If you are happy with what you have and what you can play with it, then by all means.
I'm guessing the woman part ruffled your panties.
Hey you know it's got some truth to it though or it wouldn't make ya mad. 
I said 800-900 dollar LAPTOPS that are going out the door all day. Most people don't even want to waste money on a BOX anymore. Good luck getting a laptop for that price that will run AOC. Who buys a box anymore except for geeks and housewives who sit in one spot all day?
But, as I said in my previous post, feel free to generalize. I am just stating that you are doing so and that you might be off the mark. Or do you have market research data available on your little theories? And can you speak for the whole world? Or can you at least consent that it's just a theory of yours that involves a lot of generalizing? Which is all I said.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
It IS a generaliztion. But it's based on real world sales. Don't believe me go down to a Bestbuy and see what's selling. Look at the hundreds of people walking out the door with sub 1k laptops. It's a huge and ever growing part of the market. The days of making big money games for people with "gaming rigs" is going the way of the Dodo. Want market share focus on 800-900 dollar laptops and wireless connections.
Generalization? No, it's an Opinion. It's true that Opinions are like buttholes... everyone has one. But I'll stake some MMO gold behind mine.
That being said, you are entitled to your opinion and I guess we will see how it all turns out. As for going down to Bestbuy, that's not really for me. See, I live in Europe, Germany, and when I go down to a Multimedia-Store or Computer-Store, I -DO- see quite many Desktop PC's still on sale, particularly for gamers.
So my opinion is backed by what -I- know of real world sales.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Generalization/ Opinion.... Whatever....
Germany / America... again whatever. Sure with the price of the Euro you Germans have a lot more buying power than us Americans... which only makes my point more valid..... even in Germany though people can't be that different. I find most people these days want a computer they can connect with a wireless connection, can move around the house, can take to work, can take to the coffee shop etc... Who wants some big box with wires that sits in your corner? Nobody wants that... people want freedom.
Even five years ago setting up a wireless system in your home was a rare thing. Most people didn't use wireless in their house. Now just about everyone does. You can buy a Belkin N model wireless router for 50 USD... like 30 Euros. and all you have to do is plug it in. Every Wal-mart in the world sales them.
I live in a REDNECK neighborhood in the South (not the most advanced part of America). I'm 10 miles from town. Even here I see six of my neighbors using a wireless system that is in range of my laptop... SIX rednecks in the middle of nowhere... all on wireless. A generalization??? No it's a revelation.
Go Beyond Germany and the US..... my old WoW clan was 1/4 Arab... all on wireless and connected at some coffee shop in the Middle East. You think they are toting 2000 dollar gaming laptops down to the coffee shop????... And what about Asia? Most of the emerging world probably won't even bother with land wires. Land wires cost to much to get going. Just set up wireless connections.
Fact is, computer games are becoming like Television. You want to make a show that makes big bucks... aka has BIG subscription base... make a game for the system that most people use. Can you really imagine what would happen to a TV executive who came into work one day and said "Ok we are going to make a new TV show, but to watch it everybody needs to get a new TV..." He'd be picking up his last paycheck.
Like you say, time will tell. But I've been gaming since 1975 and I think I'm right on this. The day of the big box gaming rig is going the way of the Dodo bird. Blizzard figured that out and that's why they got 10 million subscriptions.
Blizzard has 10mill subscriptions because of the fact that 1/4 of them are 1 person buying 2+ games to sell accounts and gold. AKA gold farmers/aftermarket gold sellers. That and there is alot of asias starting to get into America MMO. Planetside, WoW being the most popular.
Erm, i hate to point out the obvious, but even if WoW has the absurd number of 1/4 of its subs being gold farmers (i think it would be closer to 1/20th), than that still means there are 7.5 million subscribers. That is WAY higher than any other MMO has ever come close to. WoW was an amazing game, i played it for a year or so and although i wasnt hooked for any longer, the market has definitely proved that WoW is great.
As for its sucsess being because it doesnt require a gaming rig, i dont agree. World of warcraft was anticipated by all MMO players before it came out. All 300-500k of them. That is a fairly small market for games to be honest. However, it also appealed to the starcraft, warcraft, and diablo players, who probably numbered in the millions. WoW did well because it was so well advertised that it was the first MMO that millions of people had ever played. Look back to the first MMO youve played and tell me you didnt like it. My first was T4C, and while any other game similar to it i would see as a piece of crap, i could play that game for years just because it introduced me to MMOs. Beyond it having millions of newbie mmo players, it also delivered a very solid gameplay at launch. It was finished, it was polished, and it was addictive. The only mishap at launch was blizzard not preparing enough servers, but that was fixed in a matter of days. Most other companies release games 80% finished, and dont fix that until months after release, or even years *cough* Vanguard *cough*. Blizzard is a great company, and ive loved every game they have put out.
Back to warhammer, this is a warhammer thread and all. DAoC whupped ass, and i cant wait for Warhammer online. It will keep me busy for years to come.
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The SS in the first page is high rest , low settings no doubt. Remember hi-res low settings.
The little arms are the dangerious ones, ill bet.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Generalization/ Opinion.... Whatever....
Germany / America... again whatever. Sure with the price of the Euro you Germans have a lot more buying power than us Americans... which only makes my point more valid..... even in Germany though people can't be that different. I find most people these days want a computer they can connect with a wireless connection, can move around the house, can take to work, can take to the coffee shop etc... Who wants some big box with wires that sits in your corner? Nobody wants that... people want freedom.
Even five years ago setting up a wireless system in your home was a rare thing. Most people didn't use wireless in their house. Now just about everyone does. You can buy a Belkin N model wireless router for 50 USD... like 30 Euros. and all you have to do is plug it in. Every Wal-mart in the world sales them.
I live in a REDNECK neighborhood in the South (not the most advanced part of America). I'm 10 miles from town. Even here I see six of my neighbors using a wireless system that is in range of my laptop... SIX rednecks in the middle of nowhere... all on wireless. A generalization??? No it's a revelation.
Go Beyond Germany and the US..... my old WoW clan was 1/4 Arab... all on wireless and connected at some coffee shop in the Middle East. You think they are toting 2000 dollar gaming laptops down to the coffee shop????... And what about Asia? Most of the emerging world probably won't even bother with land wires. Land wires cost to much to get going. Just set up wireless connections.
Fact is, computer games are becoming like Television. You want to make a show that makes big bucks... aka has BIG subscription base... make a game for the system that most people use. Can you really imagine what would happen to a TV executive who came into work one day and said "Ok we are going to make a new TV show, but to watch it everybody needs to get a new TV..." He'd be picking up his last paycheck.
Like you say, time will tell. But I've been gaming since 1975 and I think I'm right on this. The day of the big box gaming rig is going the way of the Dodo bird. Blizzard figured that out and that's why they got 10 million subscriptions.
you hit the nail on the head nail on the head. A big percentage of WoW's customer base came from customers with low end machines that there client would run and run quite well on. Majority of consumers have a walmart special PC because it was affordable and they expect to be able to play there game on it. Blizzard gave them what they wanted and reaped the rewards for it. And this tue for there older games. The diablo and starcraft games ran well on lower end machines also you didnt need a gaming rig to run those either. Games geared towards hig end graphix that take all the latest and greatest to run arent going to draw much of a player base.
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So...I'm a female...a gamer...not married...I spent nearly 1500 dollars building my computer from scratch..and I just updated my graphics card..Oh and I plan to update the rest of it by the end of the year even though it really doesnt need it since it can already play Crysis (or atleast play it as well as possible considering it was shittily made).
So with all these generalizations of your either a geek or a housewife floating around do I land somewhere off the scale then? I mean ... I know Im not the odd one out I actually know several of other female gamers that are into computers as much as I am. Maybe we're not some overly hormonal vocal group like some posters here but we do exist and there's alot more of us than you think.
Personally I hate wow...WoW looked like crap in closed and Open beta...and funnily looked really really good when it Launched. But as they finally put the end gam etogether I realized it wasn't for me...I'd rather play EQ2 or DAoC any day over WoW and it has nothing to do with the ease of game play that people mistake for it being kiddie that I dislike WoW.
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F*** WoW
I somehow guessed elvenangel was going to make a post like that. :-)
Why hello really old and annoying topic that only an idiot who only cares about graphics would post!
PS post removed not because i didn't want to post it , instead i want to give it its own thread. Tommarow tho I need to wake in 3 hours.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I can't help myself when people post retarded things...(not that she doesn't ever posted retarded stuff but atleast she gets the excuse of pain killer during some of those fubars). So when is this thread going to die anyway? its pretty much proven graphics crybabies during beta phases are tards. (does some generalizations cause she can and its funny).
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Ok posts up , its about Female MMo gamers.
Here ya go.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/171006
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
*is tired of mmo game girl topics avoids it like the plague because it'll just fill up with idiots amongst all the decent folk worse than other topics*
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If you really wanna know the reason WoW was successful is mainly becuase of the RTS market. There where alot of people who played Warcraft/WC2, Heck Warcraft 2 was still going strong while C&C and stuff was out. Heck I would even today mark Warcraft 2 higher than C&C3. Then when Starcraft came out, it pretty much became the biggest game out there for RTS, then later on Warcraft 3 came out.
So really most of WoW success was that it had years and years of marketing behind it, both as a company and a product name. While as games like D&D, Warhammer are pretty much nitch markets to begin with. I think the only one that may have a chance is AoC. And that is mainly due to the movies. The only other one i see is harry potter if they dont wait too long. Star wars still has a chance it just needs to get out of Sony's hands and remade from scrach.
Also my opionion of the gfx in warhammer, I think is substandered. I mean it looks dated, and just doesn't look right... Maybe it was just the settings of screenshots, but I thought square heads and rectangle limbs where outdated.... also, the crafting system just doesn't fit into "my cup of tea" as it where.
God bless her for it but Rowling has pretty much nixed / axed any ideas an Harry Potter MMO....dont ask where I heard it it was in an interview years ago (is an admited HP nerd)
BTW mind linking up this square head and rectangled limbs? Its mathmatically impossible for the WAR models, hell for even the WoW models to have square heads and rectangular arms. I dont know what math class your taking but ... its not mathmatically possible.
Your not going to get Crysis style graphics in a game thats made for large scale battles like RvR games.
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Personally, I wasn't impressed with Crysis at all. It looked nice and detailed, but with how boring the game was, it was hard to fully enjoy it.