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Eidos, which pressed gamespot to fire a reviewer, is part of this game, FYI.
pilto
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I haven't been to gamespot since they canned one of their best reviewers at the request of Eidos, after he gave their game a bad review.
I will also be staying away from this game for the same reason.
Screw Eidos and their censorship.
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damn u Eidos
If everyone on the planet boycotted every game company that did something "bad" then....well....You get the idea.
-Currently looking forward to FFXIV
-Currently playing EvE and Global Agenda
Funny how kane & lynch got pretty much the same score the world over. hmmm.
You cant prove it, there is not official evidence only circumstantial evidence. Sorry not good enough.
I agree we cannot boycott every publisher/developer of every game that ends up being a drink coaster but somone has to keep these companies honest. I have wasted too much money on crap over the years and everytime a new release hits the store I have to wait months and read lots of reviews to make sure my investment is worth it. There is no other industry that is continually allowed to release broken products and allowed to stay in business. Usually if an industrycompany delivers inferiorbroken products consumers/government force that industry/company out of business or enforce some new regulation. In most cases this is due to some safey issue but I hope you get my point. Developers and Publishers are too focused on the eye candy and cookie cutter method of delivering games. It is rare to get that unique game that hold your attention for hours and makes you think and/or rewards/penalizes you for your decisions.
It is possible because I am getting older so I have limited time to enjoy a game. I don't have time to install a worthless title and wait for that game to be patched and patched and patched to be worth the material it was delivered in. Now my view does not reflect all genres of games. I only enjoy strategy/mmorpg/fps so my opinion is usually limited to those titles. I do subcribe to a gaming magazine and most often their reviews of the games being released are average at best.
There just isn't enough accountability for the publishers/developers to deliver finished quality products then when they are critized for delivering crap they start to threaten the user base and or get people fired.
btw, I forgot to add. I am looking forward to this game and I truly hope it succeeds. Launch day will tell us a lot.
In all seriousness, people should judge the game by themselves, either Trial or Buddy Key. Only true way to know if you like the game or not.
The above poster has it right to some degree, for those that don't have the time to install or try a game and rely on a reviewer then well thats their choice.
Lets not forget that this is being made by FUNCOM, Eidos is just the publisher. For Europe they are better than GOA or Codemasters..
besides I bet the OP loved Eidos published / made games before said allegations.
the only company that i hold a grudge against is SOE. and thats because of an ingame incident that effected my game, nothing to do with outside affairs with game magazine companies or dumping toxic waste into the river where the fuzzy bunnies drink. i dont care much for what a company does outside of its games.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Well in all reality you for people who look to reviews for games should pick a bias reviewer. If a game company is sponsoring a game review site then 9 times out of 10 that reviewer will have to make the review a good one for a A list game the developer or publisher deems is one. Thats why games have demos and exc. And you can always wait a few months and a review of the game who owns it will let you know as well what he thinks about the game. Do i think that guy should of been fired because of this ( if this is a truth, there is always two sides and I've only heard one) No he was honest, but this is a business and if you mess with there business like the reviewer did you get canned. I wouldn't fund a review site that said my game sucked sorry i wouldnt and he should of known better.
Not to say this is not true but where did you get this information? I follow the game industry pretty close and never read anything about this. Do you have a link or proof of this? This is something that would make me question both Eidos and gamespot if it were true. However, I would not take this as truth from a simple post like yours. I am not questioning your integrity but a link to a factual statement on this would be helpful.
Not to say this is not true but where did you get this information? I follow the game industry pretty close and never read anything about this. Do you have a link or proof of this? This is something that would make me question both Eidos and gamespot if it were true. However, I would not take this as truth from a simple post like yours. I am not questioning your integrity but a link to a factual statement on this would be helpful.
well the information he said is true to the point that he believes he was fired because of a review they had it on G4tv and everything. This was a while back. I dont have any links cuz i could care less to find it out because i dont use gamespot to review my games and even if i did oh well they let there sponsor games get good reviews. They need money just like you do when you goto work so eh i could care less because if the game isnt at least a 8 they are giving a biased review. 7/10 they are forced to give becuase in the end it comes down to realy a 0 or a 1. was it good or did it suck.
Well since it wasnt hard here it is.
http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2007/11/30/gamespot-reviewer-fired-over-bad-review/
Goldknyght, thanks for the link. Very interesting.
I wouldn't worry about some reviewer giving AOC a bad review. People/Funcom have been hyping AOC since day one as the next best mmo. I gaurantee that the slightest problem AOC has at launch people will be crying major bust thanks to all the hype it gets from people. Hopefully for the mmo community and Funcom's sake they have a good launch.
The guy, alledgedly, got canned for a bad review of Kane and Lynch during a major add campain by Eidos for that title on Gamespot. Sometimes it sucks to be good at your job. .../shrug
The only thing this has to do with AoC is the Eidos link. If you feel that strongly about it and have to boycot Eidos you'll be missed at launch. If you feel compelled do this I think your simply pissing in the wind over a case of 'six degrees's of seperation' but it's your call.
Between AoC and the upcomming Highlander game being published by Eidos this year; you'd need stories of Eidos being found as an organization funding the World wide child sex trade industry, before I could join you in your protest.
* Life is not black or white, it's shades of grey. But, at it's best/worst, it hints at 32bit color. -Me (a.k.a. RuthlessTimes)
* I do not need to know how to make a better game than you. I just need to know how to cancel my subscription. -Antarious(a slight misquote but the sentiment remains)
I read the review in question. He was 100% spot on. The game was just pathetic. The same guy had written bad reviews before. This time, he happened to write a review against one of the companies major advertisers. Eidos didn't like it to well. Like all companies, Eidos doesn't want to hear the truth. Think Funcom and Eidos are going to be honest about the state of AoC as we get closer to launch? Hell no. They will only talk about the positives. Sorry, it is just business.
Avery says, "prove it". Ya right, we all know we can't prove what the company in question took down swiftly at the request of Eidos. Eidos is putting advertising in our games. All they care about is money. Any way they can find to milk their games for more money, they will regardless of what the majority of gamers want.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Only two months now until launch so they say. Let's hope they have a successful launch. If they pouch the lauch, IMHO, it is just Karma biting back for putting out the worst crafting system in gaming yet.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Who's really to blame here? Eidos for demanding Gamespot change the review and fire the reviewer, or Gamespot for having no journalistic integrity ( or balls ) and cowering to Eidos?
Well I guess there are consequences to freedom of speech/press.
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Wow, I just watched his video review of Kane & Lynch and he ripped the game a new asshole. He was quite harsh, and I don't know if that was necessary. Totally biased.
Its sad that it happened, but even sadder that there are actually gamers in the world that think its a good thing that reviewers are being coerced into deceiving their fellow gamers. Why support someone trying to screw you? Because this particular case protects their current flavor of the month?
People need to think long term and get rid of the tunnel vision. AoC's lifespan is temporary in the grand scheme of things. It will die sooner or later, just like every other mmo. But if gamers send the message that dishonest companies are able to do this kind of thing throughout the industry without repurcussion, ALL gamers ultimately suffer from it.
We should be pushing for accurate reviews, not more corporate bullshit. We have everything to gain, and nothing to lose.
In regards to those posts about proof - Everyone would be happy to provide proof but there are some policies that exist specifically to prevent that proof from being provided (NDA). A nice little catch 22 there that companies (and even some fanboys) take advantage of. I really think the purpose of the NDA has changed over the years... Back when mmo's were still new, it used to be about protecting ideas and systems from competitors so they couldn't steal them, and now its mostly just used to hide info and the current state of the game from the public. Just a sad sad state of affairs all around.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
To be fair about it I'm sure that all of the big name companies that advertise on review sites put pressure on those sites and have a lot of influence. Hell, I hardly ever read staff reviews on this site because they're mostly fluff.
DOOOOOOOOOM I say, DOOOOOOOOOM!
Seriously, while it may or may not have happened that way, I'm not about to not buy a game I am looking forward to, just because of this incident. As someone earlier stated, if I adhered to that, I'd have to boycott nearly every major company, be it gaming or otherwise.
Apart from that, I have agree with another poster above me. Who is to blame then? The company, sure, they were the ones pressing. But how about the "press" itself, for folding? Why is no one blaming them?
Anyway, I'm not going to cry conspiracy and doom all around because of this. Some may call that ignorant, me, I'm just not going to let my fun be ruined. Because I'm playing games for fun. That's all. If I have fun, good. If not, well, screw that, on to the next.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
I m not sure what to say here. I agree that if you look forward to the game and want to play it then you should. At the same time thats pretty crappy dealings. I was going to play this game at one point, but alot of things turned me off of it. This doesn t help it thats for sure. I agree with Shannia on this and the crafting for that matter bad system but to each their own. As far as reviews go for this game if Eidos has anything to do with it i won t listen for sure now. Shady for sure .
If I am sufficiently interested in a game, I will try it by buying it, regardless of what Doomsayers or Hypesayers have to say about the game. I like to form my own opinion based off facts I can gather for myself instead of listening to hearsay. I realize that you might now say you are not willing to pay for a product that might not be good....*shrug* Well, as you said, to each their own. I am willing to pay the bucks for the game if necessary (IF I am sufficiently interested, mind you). But I realize not everyone thinks like this and that's their prerogative. Again, I just like to form my own review or a review from someone I know and trust.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Oh you mean the same Gamespot that DELETES and removes bad PLAYER reviews of games?
When the NGE hit SWG thousands flocked to Gamespot to give SWG a bad review. By the end of the first day, over 1000 negative reviews were made. The next morning there were only 600 negative. By the afternoon it was back up to 700. Then by late night it was down to 300 and posts started popping up on SWG forums about their reviews getting deleted by Gamespot for no reason (no profanity or insults were used). Now granted, SOE more than likely put Gamespot under some pressure to do it, but if you intend on reviewing games and being respectable....then you have to stick up for your readers AND yourself which Gamespot clearly does not. So I blame Gamespot just as much as any company they ALLOW to control them.
And that whole Gurtsman thing just seems like an unhealthily obsession to the point where I swear people were actually crying over that guy.
I was going to play this game until I found out my computer cant even run it.
I gess its back on the WAR band wagon for me.
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