WoW ill help you out since i must have been typing fast
Sites do make there money by ADVERTISERS and there visits. So if a ADVERTISER doesn't pay the site, the site goes bye bye The site ONLY goes bye bye from no viewers not the advertisements. Noone around to see your advertisements, how much money you think that brings in? Sites can always find 5 or 6 companies to advertise... they can't replace 500,000 viewers. Yeah but none on the payroll of what EDIOS will pay. And you think 500,000 people really care. Prolly only 10,000 out of those actually do while the others are just on the site to talk games. So the site needs its ADVERTISERS more then its viewers. That is the dumbest thing I have ever read.... Then you must not be trying to keep a high bandwith site up and running. yes there is a equilibrium but in the end the site wants to stay alive. Site only survives off of the people who frequent it. Who is going to advertise on a site NOONE comes to? And whos going to come to a site that isn't up because of no bank roll. If firing a reviewer because of a review will help fund the site It will be done. This is horrible business mindset and this is what the entire thread was about. Not really the reviewer should of known. He slams the game it was more of a roast of Kayne and Lych instead of a review. Why he got lynched and is Looking for work. Yeah i understand what straddon is saying But I also understand business I honestly do not believe you understand either.... I do understand you think there is some cookie cutter philosophy on how a site runs and it runs because of viewers. No it runs because of advertisers or someone whos bank rolls it. That is what you need to realize. I do and a accept it. You can accept it... but it is wrong. Yeah usually when someones right the others think hes wrong.
That was not what stradden was saying.
He was saying that you do NOT fire a reviewer for a company and it's advertisements.
You let the company go and stop hosting their advertisements so that this kind of thing that happened at gamespot does not happen. You never want to lose viewers because you did something wrong (fire an employee for the greed of a company) over advertisements.
Well apparently this advertiser has a good chunk in gamespot revenue.
Advertisements come a plenty.... viewers once scorned are gone forever.... Don't believe me. Head over to the SWG vet forums, they will be happy to explain a viewer/user rebellion for you.
Well if that was the case alot of veiwers wouldnt be going to the review spots. Ive seen plenty of reviews that are incorrect but doesnt mean im not going to come back because i believe they were wrong.
I will type it extremely slow next time if you continue to not understand what is being said here.
I will use this format.
S o y o u g e t i t a n d u n d e r s t a n d e v e r y t h i n g? O K?
P L E A S E D O I N E E D Y O U R I N P U T A G A I N
C U Z I A M I N C A P A B L E T O C O M P R E H E N D!
Who's really to blame here? Eidos for demanding Gamespot change the review and fire the reviewer, or Gamespot for having no journalistic integrity ( or balls ) and cowering to Eidos?
WoW ill help you out since i must have been typing fast
Sites do make there money by ADVERTISERS and there visits. So if a ADVERTISER doesn't pay the site, the site goes bye bye The site ONLY goes bye bye from no viewers not the advertisements. Noone around to see your advertisements, how much money you think that brings in? Sites can always find 5 or 6 companies to advertise... they can't replace 500,000 viewers. Yeah but none on the payroll of what EDIOS will pay. And you think 500,000 people really care. Prolly only 10,000 out of those actually do while the others are just on the site to talk games. Ok I am going to give up on this one, shallow minds just cannot comprehend that without customers, you need not worry about what your company is offering, of course I have seen 4 year old grasp this in less time than you, so I will just let you go on.... So the site needs its ADVERTISERS more then its viewers. That is the dumbest thing I have ever read.... Then you must not be trying to keep a high bandwith site up and running. Once again that is the dumbest statement I have ever read... This one tops the first one. Gratz you have outdone yourself. yes there is a equilibrium but in the end the site wants to stay alive. Site only survives off of the people who frequent it. Who is going to advertise on a site NOONE comes to? And whos going to come to a site that isn't up because of no bank roll. Ok I am sitting on the homepage of MMORPG right now this is what I see. Fiesta Ad, Age of Conan Ad, Angel Online ad, Last Chaos Ad, 2 Twelve Sky Ads, Georgousgamers.com Ad, And every major MMO to date upcoming on the rotator, all in essence Ads. Ok so Stradden just wrote a bad review on Fiesta ( Top Ad for MMORPG ) and Outspark calls up the team here and says look you fire Stradden or we going to pull down our Fiesta Ads..... I promise MMO tells Outspark to go get bent. Because they know if they didn't and they fired stradden and this community found out about it, they aren't going to have to worry about an Ad cause the MMORPG community will raise all kinds of hell. This was the main point to everything we have been discussing well, everyone except you. If firing a reviewer because of a review will help fund the site It will be done. This is horrible business mindset and this is what the entire thread was about. Not really the reviewer should of known. He slams the game it was more of a roast of Kayne and Lych instead of a review. Why he got lynched and is Looking for work. The reviewer should have known better than to do what??? his job? Ok, I take back what I wrote up top. This is now the 1st place for dumbest thing I have ever read on MMORPG. Yeah i understand what straddon is saying But I also understand business I honestly do not believe you understand either.... I do understand you think there is some cookie cutter philosophy on how a site runs and it runs because of viewers. No it runs because of advertisers or someone whos bank rolls it. OK, if every MMORPG user signed off right now and never came back.... How do they fund this site??? .... waiting?....... still waiting?..... THEY DON'T!!!! These Little Ad Icons have to be clicked on to generate profit genius. So all this Ads just sit here idle for weeks, months, years? Since as you said the advertising is more important than the users who come here..... They still not being click..... Guess what the Ad companies pull this crap and the site goes down. But will a million views a day.... These Ads looking real nice for profit right? Thought So. That is what you need to realize. I do and a accept it. You can accept it... but it is wrong. Yeah usually when someones right the others think hes wrong. You are still wrong... Saying your right still doesn't mean you are.
That was not what stradden was saying.
He was saying that you do NOT fire a reviewer for a company and it's advertisements.
You let the company go and stop hosting their advertisements so that this kind of thing that happened at gamespot does not happen. You never want to lose viewers because you did something wrong (fire an employee for the greed of a company) over advertisements.
Well apparently this advertiser has a good chunk in gamespot revenue.
Advertisements come a plenty.... viewers once scorned are gone forever.... Don't believe me. Head over to the SWG vet forums, they will be happy to explain a viewer/user rebellion for you.
Well if that was the case alot of veiwers wouldnt be going to the review spots. Ive seen plenty of reviews that are incorrect but doesnt mean im not going to come back because i believe they were wrong.
Reviews are opinions, nothing more and nothing less. They are the interpretation of a game as played by reviewer #123,456. They only mean as much as the info you are looking to take from them. The fact a guy was fired over this is enough. The guy should still be employed, and Eidos are rat basterds for doing what they did. Gamespot are even bigger assholes by allowing it.
I will type it extremely slow next time if you continue to not understand what is being said here.
I will use this format.
S o y o u g e t i t a n d u n d e r s t a n d e v e r y t h i n g? O K?
P L E A S E D O I N E E D Y O U R I N P U T A G A I N
C U Z I A M I N C A P A B L E T O C O M P R E H E N D!
Wow keep trying to defend what you cant change. The sites do it no matter what you think and the only reason stradden is saying somthing is because hes trying to credit this site when i said 9 out of 10 sites do this. He could of just left it alone and presumed that this site was the 1 out of the 10 but no he chose to say somthing to me so makes me wonder if this site is part of the 9 out of 10 i say do this. The fact that you want to go back and forth with me leds me to believe you could care less about what im saying you just want to keep opening your mouth to see if ill say something to get banned. I'm not sorry so end that quest now. I told my views your not going to change them. You take what i say for what its worth just like stradden told me and i told him. If you want to keep going back and forth we can i got nothing but time to waste and to be honest the things that you say entertain me. This site is a business not a fan site so im a stick with what i said and not no one will change my thoughts not even god himself/herself (though i dont believe) so please enlighten me some more.
That attitude is probably one of the main reasons this site has been as successful as it has been. In the past before this site was around or known to me, I had visited a lot of other sites with discussion boards for various games. Those sites were often heavy handed with moderation when an objective criticism was leveled against the games features there. I do agree, I do not think it is as wide spread as some conspiracy theorists would claim. I think it might have been you yourself who one time joked about the prospect of a company attempting to tamper with reviews on this site and how it would be the best thing to happen to the sites traffic because of how much buzz it would generate when you out them for being scumbags Your credibility is all you have to hinge your business on when running a site like this one. Appeasing an advertiser might help the short term revenue, but the long term loss of traffic from losing your credibility would be devastating as Gamespot found the hard way when all this happened.
But without advertisers it doesn't matter how much traffic you have because you wont have a site.
Why should i read a review on a game thats been dictaded by the developing game company? Whats the interest in that? Such information is useless. It would have been better they never started the site up in the first place then.
Wow keep trying to defend what you cant change. The sites do it no matter what you think and the only reason stradden is saying somthing is because hes trying to credit this site when i said 9 out of 10 sites do this. He could of just left it alone and presumed that this site was the 1 out of the 10 but no he chose to say somthing to me so makes me wonder if this site is part of the 9 out of 10 i say do this. The fact that you want to go back and forth with me leds me to believe you could care less about what im saying you just want to keep opening your mouth to see if ill say something to get banned. I'm not sorry so end that quest now. I told my views your not going to change them. You take what i say for what its worth just like stradden told me and i told him. If you want to keep going back and forth we can i got nothing but time to waste and to be honest the things that you say entertain me. This site is a business not a fan site so im a stick with what i said and not no one will change my thoughts not even god himself/herself (though i dont believe) so please enlighten me some more.
You have obviously made up your mind on this topic and can't be swayed. I want you to think about something though. You have decided that you KNOW something to be true based on ZERO evidence. To you, this all seems VERY clear because its "common sense", "obvious", you've "heard people say it", etc. Thats all BS. Its all hearsay. You could just as easily say that you KNOW the easter bunny is real. You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that coerscion and bribery are an integral part of this business. Those are extremely serious allegations, so burden of proof is on you, btw. "Guilty because I think so and dont even bother trying to prove me wrong" doesnt work. Thousands of hours of unsubstantiated rants on YouTube or MySpace or the blogosphere or anywhere else by people who share the same bias does NOT count as evidence. Thats a quorum of the converted riling each other up.
Why dont you consider this... The president of Eidos categorically denied this rumor in Game Informer. I know. He's lying, they're lying, there is a conspiracy, you're not convinced. See. Thats called bias. You have ZERO evidence beyond your "gut feeling" and all of the hearsay, yet you are fully prepared to completely believe one side and utterly reject the other.
So how about this... If what you're saying is true, this editor has a massive wrongful termination lawsuit. if he had ANY evidence at ALL a million scheister lawyers would LINE UP to take the case. Hell, even WITHOUT evidence they'd take it. So where is the lawsuit? People like you who feel you KNOW that this is happening have found your holy grail with this case. Get it into court and adjuticate it. But let me guess... Even if a JUDGE AND JURY found there to be no evidence of collusion you would reject it right? But I guess you dont see that as a problem in your view of this issue?
Too many people these days do 4 seconds of "internet research" latch onto the rantings of 1000 other people doing the same "research" and then ride the bandwagon of various conspiracies. Information is at an all time high while critical thinking and knowledge continues to plunge. Very dangerous.
Wow keep trying to defend what you cant change. The sites do it no matter what you think and the only reason stradden is saying somthing is because hes trying to credit this site when i said 9 out of 10 sites do this. He could of just left it alone and presumed that this site was the 1 out of the 10 but no he chose to say somthing to me so makes me wonder if this site is part of the 9 out of 10 i say do this. The fact that you want to go back and forth with me leds me to believe you could care less about what im saying you just want to keep opening your mouth to see if ill say something to get banned. I'm not sorry so end that quest now. I told my views your not going to change them. You take what i say for what its worth just like stradden told me and i told him. If you want to keep going back and forth we can i got nothing but time to waste and to be honest the things that you say entertain me. This site is a business not a fan site so im a stick with what i said and not no one will change my thoughts not even god himself/herself (though i dont believe) so please enlighten me some more. edit : watch this and you will know how i feel about this topic http://youtube.com/watch?v=do6UTpzyYNM cuz you just do you and imma do me.
You have obviously made up your mind on this topic and can't be swayed. I want you to think about something though. You have decided that you KNOW something to be true based on ZERO evidence. To you, this all seems VERY clear because its "common sense", "obvious", you've "heard people say it", etc. Thats all BS. Its all hearsay. You could just as easily say that you KNOW the easter bunny is real. You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that coerscion and bribery are an integral part of this business. Those are extremely serious allegations, so burden of proof is on you, btw. "Guilty because I think so and dont even bother trying to prove me wrong" doesnt work. Thousands of hours of unsubstantiated rants on YouTube or MySpace or the blogosphere or anywhere else by people who share the same bias does NOT count as evidence. Thats a quorum of the converted riling each other up.
Why dont you consider this... The president of Eidos categorically denied this rumor in Game Informer. I know. He's lying, they're lying, there is a conspiracy, you're not convinced. See. Thats called bias. You have ZERO evidence beyond your "gut feeling" and all of the hearsay, yet you are fully prepared to completely believe one side and utterly reject the other.
So how about this... If what you're saying is true, this editor has a massive wrongful termination lawsuit. if he had ANY evidence at ALL a million scheister lawyers would LINE UP to take the case. Hell, even WITHOUT evidence they'd take it. So where is the lawsuit? People like you who feel you KNOW that this is happening have found your holy grail with this case. Get it into court and adjuticate it. But let me guess... Even if a JUDGE AND JURY found there to be no evidence of collusion you would reject it right? But I guess you dont see that as a problem in your view of this issue?
Too many people these days do 4 seconds of "internet research" latch onto the rantings of 1000 other people doing the same "research" and then ride the bandwagon of various conspiracies. Information is at an all time high while critical thinking and knowledge continues to plunge. Very dangerous.
mlambert890 no use in trying to reason with this guy. I gave up yesterday. Some people are to worried about hip hop videos featuring stacks of cash, cars and hoes to worry about the state of the world.
Well in all reality you for people who look to reviews for games should pick a bias reviewer. If a game company is sponsoring a game review site then 9 times out of 10 that reviewer will have to make the review a good one for a A list game the developer or publisher deems is one. Thats why games have demos and exc. And you can always wait a few months and a review of the game who owns it will let you know as well what he thinks about the game. Do i think that guy should of been fired because of this ( if this is a truth, there is always two sides and I've only heard one) No he was honest, but this is a business and if you mess with there business like the reviewer did you get canned. I wouldn't fund a review site that said my game sucked sorry i wouldnt and he should of known better.
Yeah... none of this is true. I don't know where you got your 9 our of 10 figure.
Speaking as someone who works in games journalism, I can tell you that is is much less common for advertisers to have any say whatsoever about what content goes on a site. That's why it's so shocking when these events occur. Smart websites and magazines keep their content and editorial staff as far away from the advertising end of things as possible.
I'll put it to you this way: Is it really worth losing your credibility with your audience over a single sponsor? There are lots of sponsors / advertisers out there, you only get one reputation. I'm just saying that you're not looking at the whole picture here.
Jon,
You are 100% correct. That is why I will forever refuse to buy anything again with EIDOS name on it. It doesn't matter if it is AoC, STO, or the remaking of SWG by another developer. If EIDOS is involved at all, then I'm not buying the product. They muscled a company to fire a senior reviewer for a very honest opinion. EIDOS lost all credibility to me over that move. It may not have anything to do with Funcom directly, but by not finding a new publisher, Funcom has shown that they like the way EIDOS deals with the community. If any site they advertise on writes a negative review about AoC, Funcom knows EIDSO will pressure the company to fire the review and retract the article or lose money.
If a game is crap then it is crap. It isn't the reviewers job to find the roses through a pile of cow patties.
I'm sorry, but what EIDOS did is the wrong way to run a gaming business. They've seen they can get by with it and they will definately do it again.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Wow keep trying to defend what you cant change. The sites do it no matter what you think and the only reason stradden is saying somthing is because hes trying to credit this site when i said 9 out of 10 sites do this. He could of just left it alone and presumed that this site was the 1 out of the 10 but no he chose to say somthing to me so makes me wonder if this site is part of the 9 out of 10 i say do this. The fact that you want to go back and forth with me leds me to believe you could care less about what im saying you just want to keep opening your mouth to see if ill say something to get banned. I'm not sorry so end that quest now. I told my views your not going to change them. You take what i say for what its worth just like stradden told me and i told him. If you want to keep going back and forth we can i got nothing but time to waste and to be honest the things that you say entertain me. This site is a business not a fan site so im a stick with what i said and not no one will change my thoughts not even god himself/herself (though i dont believe) so please enlighten me some more. edit : watch this and you will know how i feel about this topic http://youtube.com/watch?v=do6UTpzyYNM cuz you just do you and imma do me.
You have obviously made up your mind on this topic and can't be swayed. I want you to think about something though. You have decided that you KNOW something to be true based on ZERO evidence. To you, this all seems VERY clear because its "common sense", "obvious", you've "heard people say it", etc. Thats all BS. Its all hearsay. You could just as easily say that you KNOW the easter bunny is real. You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that coerscion and bribery are an integral part of this business. Those are extremely serious allegations, so burden of proof is on you, btw. "Guilty because I think so and dont even bother trying to prove me wrong" doesnt work. Thousands of hours of unsubstantiated rants on YouTube or MySpace or the blogosphere or anywhere else by people who share the same bias does NOT count as evidence. Thats a quorum of the converted riling each other up.
Why dont you consider this... The president of Eidos categorically denied this rumor in Game Informer. I know. He's lying, they're lying, there is a conspiracy, you're not convinced. See. Thats called bias. You have ZERO evidence beyond your "gut feeling" and all of the hearsay, yet you are fully prepared to completely believe one side and utterly reject the other.
So how about this... If what you're saying is true, this editor has a massive wrongful termination lawsuit. if he had ANY evidence at ALL a million scheister lawyers would LINE UP to take the case. Hell, even WITHOUT evidence they'd take it. So where is the lawsuit? People like you who feel you KNOW that this is happening have found your holy grail with this case. Get it into court and adjuticate it. But let me guess... Even if a JUDGE AND JURY found there to be no evidence of collusion you would reject it right? But I guess you dont see that as a problem in your view of this issue?
Too many people these days do 4 seconds of "internet research" latch onto the rantings of 1000 other people doing the same "research" and then ride the bandwagon of various conspiracies. Information is at an all time high while critical thinking and knowledge continues to plunge. Very dangerous.
mlambert890 no use in trying to reason with this guy. I gave up yesterday. Some people are to worried about hip hop videos featuring stacks of cash, cars and hoes to worry about the state of the world.
*shrugs* play on playa.... play on.....
Shrugs yes shrugs mlabert890 neonaka. Simply you don't understand that not everything is in black and white like you wish. Your claims can't be proven just like mine so what of it. If you think this isn't a business and in the business they need money to operate your only fooling yourselves. Yes if you lose members you lose money but if you lose advertisers you lose money. And yes there are alot of advertisers but not all of them have the bank roll edios has which for some reason your not understanding. This site and many others need funding PERIOD just accept it. And no i could care less about damn hip hop videos i pointed you to the song for the fact of you do you and imma do me. I know what i know you know what you know thats where it starts and ends get over yourselfs.
The loss of one advertiser, in this case Eidos, wasn't going to financially impair Gamespot to the point they have to shut down. If their ability to exist depended on only one company, then their leadership has issues.
This said, I'm not one to put much stock in reviews for the simple fact that they are one person's opinion, nothing more or less. I understand some people can't function without the comfort of some other person they have never met in their life saying it's ok to play a game, but I'd rather try it and find out myself if I like it or not. As others have illuded to as well, the reviewer that was fired more than likely had other items that none of us but he and Gamespot know about with regard to an employer/employee relationship (disciplinary issues, etc) that also contributed to his termination.
Course, if people want to avoid Eidos for what they percieve Eidos did to someone they don't even know, hey, more power to you. I choose to never play a game or buy a product affiliated with SOE/Sony again, but that had to do with something they did directly to me, not some random person who probably could care less if I got hit by a bus or that I even exist. *shrug*
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
The loss of one advertiser, in this case Eidos, wasn't going to financially impair Gamespot to the point they have to shut down. If their ability to exist depended on only one company, then their leadership has issues. This said, I'm not one to put much stock in reviews for the simple fact that they are one person's opinion, nothing more or less. I understand some people can't function without the comfort of some other person they have never met in their life saying it's ok to play a game, but I'd rather try it and find out myself if I like it or not. As others have illuded to as well, the reviewer that was fired more than likely had other items that none of us but he and Gamespot know about with regard to an employer/employee relationship (disciplinary issues, etc) that also contributed to his termination. Course, if people want to avoid Eidos for what they percieve Eidos did to someone they don't even know, hey, more power to you. I choose to never play a game or buy a product affiliated with SOE/Sony again, but that had to do with something they did directly to me, not some random person who probably could care less if I got hit by a bus or that I even exist. *shrug*
I dont think it was about one advertiser disliking a review. What is eidos's role in gamespot. They have alot of money and they could have influence over certain people at gamespot.
these are your top advertisers. And whatever they dont like the sites are going to listen. You think that xbox magize or GFW magizine arn't bias on certain games for there systems? You honestly cant believe that because i know everyone has at least ONCE read a review and thought opposite of what they gave.
The loss of one advertiser, in this case Eidos, wasn't going to financially impair Gamespot to the point they have to shut down. If their ability to exist depended on only one company, then their leadership has issues. This said, I'm not one to put much stock in reviews for the simple fact that they are one person's opinion, nothing more or less. I understand some people can't function without the comfort of some other person they have never met in their life saying it's ok to play a game, but I'd rather try it and find out myself if I like it or not. As others have illuded to as well, the reviewer that was fired more than likely had other items that none of us but he and Gamespot know about with regard to an employer/employee relationship (disciplinary issues, etc) that also contributed to his termination. Course, if people want to avoid Eidos for what they percieve Eidos did to someone they don't even know, hey, more power to you. I choose to never play a game or buy a product affiliated with SOE/Sony again, but that had to do with something they did directly to me, not some random person who probably could care less if I got hit by a bus or that I even exist. *shrug*
I dont think it was about one advertiser disliking a review. What is eidos's role in gamespot. They have alot of money and they could have influence over certain people at gamespot.
these are your top advertisers. And whatever they dont like the sites are going to listen. You think that xbox magize or GFW magizine arn't bias on certain games for there systems? You honestly cant believe that because i know everyone has at least ONCE read a review and thought opposite of what they gave.
What you are still not getting and for the life of all of us you just refuse to see, is gamespot in this particular instance, features ALL of these top 20 advertisers you have listen ALL the time.
If Eidos who happens to be #16 decided to walk away, trust me gamespot could give 2 shits less. They have from #1-15 and 17-20 to support them.
This was a point in case I was trying to make to you 4 post ago.
It it VERY piss poor business ethic to shit can someone because #16 said so.
It is also the dumbest shit I have ever heard come from someone.
Khalathwyr is right if this guy did get canned it had more to do with him as a writer more than his review.
Even if he did get fired for Eidos alone. This is VERY stupid on gamespot's part. They are giving up their target audience for 1 of 20 advertisers.
This is a trickle rain effect.
You piss off an entire group of people even 1,000 (your number not mine) and that is 1,000 potential customers that company #1-15 and 17-20 just lost because you decided to back-up and listen to #16 alone.
Come on guy get serious, Noone in business does this kinda shit, it is suicide if you you get caught, just as gamespot has found out.
Advertisers mean nothing, they are a dime a dozen. Customers are everything in business, without them you have no business. You are a webpage in an endless sea of webpages that noones give a crap about.
The loss of one advertiser, in this case Eidos, wasn't going to financially impair Gamespot to the point they have to shut down. If their ability to exist depended on only one company, then their leadership has issues. This said, I'm not one to put much stock in reviews for the simple fact that they are one person's opinion, nothing more or less. I understand some people can't function without the comfort of some other person they have never met in their life saying it's ok to play a game, but I'd rather try it and find out myself if I like it or not. As others have illuded to as well, the reviewer that was fired more than likely had other items that none of us but he and Gamespot know about with regard to an employer/employee relationship (disciplinary issues, etc) that also contributed to his termination. Course, if people want to avoid Eidos for what they percieve Eidos did to someone they don't even know, hey, more power to you. I choose to never play a game or buy a product affiliated with SOE/Sony again, but that had to do with something they did directly to me, not some random person who probably could care less if I got hit by a bus or that I even exist. *shrug*
I dont think it was about one advertiser disliking a review. What is eidos's role in gamespot. They have alot of money and they could have influence over certain people at gamespot.
these are your top advertisers. And whatever they dont like the sites are going to listen. You think that xbox magize or GFW magizine arn't bias on certain games for there systems? You honestly cant believe that because i know everyone has at least ONCE read a review and thought opposite of what they gave.
I have no idea where you pulled that information from and honestly don't care. That's not meant in a rude way, I just don't care, lol. Just as you yourself said earlier, you believe what you want and I will what I want. The topic at hand is Eidos and Gamespot, not all these other companies, and I think Gamespot has enough revenue coming in from other areas than to take orders from Eidos about who stays on their employee roster.
Sure, businesses will try to stay in good terms with their partners, but try walking into any of the big name stores where you live, buy $1,000 TV and then tell the manager you want X random employee fired because he said the TV you bought was trash. They'll laugh at you and won't fire the guy unless you 1)make up a semi convincing story AND 2)the guy already had disipline issues AND 3)the manager was just waiting for an excuse to fire them. Guaranteed if the guy was one of their star performers he wouldn't be fired.
As I said before, I really don't care what a reviewer writes as it's their own personal opinion about a game. I'm an adult and I can form my own opinions. I will read sites for previews to find out what features are in a game, but I could care less whether the author of the article I'm reading thinks the features are cool or not. I can figure that out by playing the game myself.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
What you are still not getting and for the life of all of us you just refuse to see, is gamespot in this particular instance, features ALL of these top 20 advertisers you have listen ALL the time. If Eidos who happens to be #16 decided to walk away, trust me gamespot could give 2 shits less. They have from #1-15 and 17-20 to support them. This was a point in case I was trying to make to you 4 post ago. It it VERY piss poor business ethic to shit can someone because #16 said so. It is also the dumbest shit I have ever heard come from someone. Khalathwyr is right if this guy did get canned it had more to do with him as a writer more than his review. Even if he did get fired for Eidos alone. This is VERY stupid on gamespot's part. They are giving up their target audience for 1 of 20 advertisers. This is a trickle rain effect. You piss off an entire group of people even 1,000 (your number not mine) and that is 1,000 potential customers that company #1-15 and 17-20 just lost because you decided to back-up and listen to #16 alone. Come on guy get serious, Noone in business does this kinda shit, it is suicide if you you get caught, just as gamespot has found out. Advertisers mean nothing, they are a dime a dozen. Customers are everything in business, without them you have no business. You are a webpage in an endless sea of webpages that noones give a crap about.
No its not. Big business could care less about a employee. Business is business. Everyone here is mad at eidos minus the few who mention gamespot. Eidos did nothing wrong. They didnt like the review so they used there influence to get what they wanted. Gamespot was thinking money you the site vister isnt paying gamespot crap they could care less what you think cuz at the end of the day it comes down to revenue. also He delieveried the review in a incorrect manner. he could of reviewed that game the same way and gave it the same score if he would of thought business and said the pros then cons. He wanted to get fired and he got his wish. I turned the review off after 10seconds his first few words are this game is UGLY, everything is UGLY. Me as a gamer am going to say this game is crap and turn the video review off. Eidos saw that and was like WTF. He could of said in the beginning what he like and then at the end say what he hated and said rent this pile before you buy and he would still have a job. He Roasted the game all the way thru the review and the last 20 seconds he praises the multiplayer bank robbing. So doubting what i say is just you being nieve.
No its not. Big business could care less about a employee. Business is business. Everyone here is mad at eidos minus the few who mention gamespot. Eidos did nothing wrong. They didnt like the review so they used there influence to get what they wanted. Gamespot was thinking money you the site vister isnt paying gamespot crap they could care less what you think cuz at the end of the day it comes down to revenue. also He delieveried the review in a incorrect manner. he could of reviewed that game the same way and gave it the same score if he would of thought business and said the pros then cons. He wanted to get fired and he got his wish. I turned the review off after 10seconds his first few words are this game is UGLY, everything is UGLY. Me as a gamer am going to say this game is crap and turn the video review off. Eidos saw that and was like WTF. He could of said in the beginning what he like and then at the end say what he hated and said rent this pile before you buy and he would still have a job. He Roasted the game all the way thru the review and the last 20 seconds he praises the multiplayer bank robbing. So doubting what i say is just you being nieve.
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Like I told you before, If everyone stopped coming to MMORPG tomorrow and quit coming here for 1 month alone, every company would pull every ad off this site at the speed of light. MMORPG would die and become hosted on geocities.
Sites income come from ads yes, but ads have to be clicked on to generate any profit for the site. Otherwise the ad companies are paying the site for nothing. Who wants to give a site money just so they can have a jpeg or gif pasted everywhere?
NOONE! Every ad is a link to somewhere else, somewhere with products you might buy. No viewers, no clicks, no clicks, no products sold, no products sold, useless waste of time.
What you are still not getting and for the life of all of us you just refuse to see, is gamespot in this particular instance, features ALL of these top 20 advertisers you have listen ALL the time. If Eidos who happens to be #16 decided to walk away, trust me gamespot could give 2 shits less. They have from #1-15 and 17-20 to support them. This was a point in case I was trying to make to you 4 post ago. It it VERY piss poor business ethic to shit can someone because #16 said so. It is also the dumbest shit I have ever heard come from someone. Khalathwyr is right if this guy did get canned it had more to do with him as a writer more than his review. Even if he did get fired for Eidos alone. This is VERY stupid on gamespot's part. They are giving up their target audience for 1 of 20 advertisers. This is a trickle rain effect. You piss off an entire group of people even 1,000 (your number not mine) and that is 1,000 potential customers that company #1-15 and 17-20 just lost because you decided to back-up and listen to #16 alone. Come on guy get serious, Noone in business does this kinda shit, it is suicide if you you get caught, just as gamespot has found out. Advertisers mean nothing, they are a dime a dozen. Customers are everything in business, without them you have no business. You are a webpage in an endless sea of webpages that noones give a crap about.
No its not. Big business could care less about a employee. Business is business. Everyone here is mad at eidos minus the few who mention gamespot. Eidos did nothing wrong. They didnt like the review so they used there influence to get what they wanted. Gamespot was thinking money you the site vister isnt paying gamespot crap they could care less what you think cuz at the end of the day it comes down to revenue. also He delieveried the review in a incorrect manner. he could of reviewed that game the same way and gave it the same score if he would of thought business and said the pros then cons. He wanted to get fired and he got his wish. I turned the review off after 10seconds his first few words are this game is UGLY, everything is UGLY. Me as a gamer am going to say this game is crap and turn the video review off. Eidos saw that and was like WTF. He could of said in the beginning what he like and then at the end say what he hated and said rent this pile before you buy and he would still have a job. He Roasted the game all the way thru the review and the last 20 seconds he praises the multiplayer bank robbing. So doubting what i say is just you being nieve.
I can agree that he chose a very unprofessional way in which to present his review (I watched the review vid). That, to me, says more about how he conducted/presented himself at work which would lead me to strongly believe that there were in fact other disciplinary issues regarding him. Pair that up with a memo from Eidos saying "Hey, we really didn't appreciate that review", which Eidos has every right to not like a review, and I can see where Gerstmann's boss says "You know what Jeff, that's the last straw."
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Sure, businesses will try to stay in good terms with their partners, but try walking into any of the big name stores where you live, buy $1,000 TV and then tell the manager you want X random employee fired because he said the TV you bought was trash. They'll laugh at you and won't fire the guy unless you 1)make up a semi convincing story AND 2)the guy already had disipline issues AND 3)the manager was just waiting for an excuse to fire them. Guaranteed if the guy was one of their star performers he wouldn't be fired.
HAHAHA are you serious. No the employee would be fired if the TV manufactur said to fire that employee. HAHA are you serious haha get a better analogy.
Sure, businesses will try to stay in good terms with their partners, but try walking into any of the big name stores where you live, buy $1,000 TV and then tell the manager you want X random employee fired because he said the TV you bought was trash. They'll laugh at you and won't fire the guy unless you 1)make up a semi convincing story AND 2)the guy already had disipline issues AND 3)the manager was just waiting for an excuse to fire them. Guaranteed if the guy was one of their star performers he wouldn't be fired.
HAHAHA are you serious. No the employee would be fired if the TV manufactur said to fire that employee. HAHA are you serious haha get a better analogy.
Yeah, I am serious. I used to work for Hilton Hotels Corporation and I can't tell you how many whiny HHonors members would call complaining about a hotel staff member and demanding they be fired. Guess what, the staff members are still their working What was your Diamond VIP account number by the way? (for the mods, I really don't want the account number and if he has one and posts it, noone else can do anything with it unless they have his picture ID. Well, I could have the account closed, but I have better things to do with my time :P )
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Now I know who flips my burgers at Mcdonalds, because if you seriously think a gaming sites bills are paid off the ads, and ads alone, without the customers or viewers, you fail, you failed school, you failed at life, and I know you failed at work. I like extra chocolate in my shakes when I get off work, ( Real job, and Real business ) I get off about 6pm, I will expect my burgers warm and my shake very cold. Thanks. Like I told you before, If everyone stopped coming to MMORPG tomorrow and quit coming here for 1 month alone, every company would pull every ad off this site at the speed of light. MMORPG would die and become hosted on geocities. Sites income come from ads yes, but ads have to be clicked on to generate any profit for the site. Otherwise the ad companies are paying the site for nothing. Who wants to give a site money just so they can have a jpeg or gif pasted everywhere? NOONE! Every ad is a link to somewhere else, somewhere with products you might buy. No viewers, no clicks, no clicks, no products sold, no products sold, useless waste of time.
Wow are you serious?
Not everyone is going to stop going to gamespot because they fired that guy. Gamespot seems to still be running fine and seems that everyone is still loveing the site. So please show me where no one is going to gamespot any more because of this firing. Site doesnt seem to be affected at all.
Yeah, I am serious. I used to work for Hilton Hotels Corporation and I can't tell you how many whiny HHonors members would call complaining about a hotel staff member and demanding they be fired. Guess what, the staff members are still their working What was your Diamond VIP account number by the way? (for the mods, I really don't want the account number and if he has one and posts it, noone else can do anything with it unless they have his picture ID. Well, I could have the account closed, but I have better things to do with my time :P )
ROFLMAO on this one. Your analogy wont work because as you just said you work for the hilton the costumer has no say so. Now if a board of members of the hilton chain says to fire you it will happen best believe dat haha. your so funny keep going please.
Sure, businesses will try to stay in good terms with their partners, but try walking into any of the big name stores where you live, buy $1,000 TV and then tell the manager you want X random employee fired because he said the TV you bought was trash. They'll laugh at you and won't fire the guy unless you 1)make up a semi convincing story AND 2)the guy already had disipline issues AND 3)the manager was just waiting for an excuse to fire them. Guaranteed if the guy was one of their star performers he wouldn't be fired.
HAHAHA are you serious. No the employee would be fired if the TV manufactur said to fire that employee. HAHA are you serious haha get a better analogy.
Did he seriously just say that?
Ok seriously, I have super low tolerance for ignorance in people and ignorant comments.
You have fun in dreamland. I'm off to try and find intelligent people to discuss intelligent things with.
*shakes head* he honestly just said If I work at best buy and complain about a T.V being crap product, and told my manager. The manager then called *whoever made it* company and said "look I have an employee here that seems to think your brand of televisions are not well made and are garbage".
They in turn tell the manager "OH YEAH! Fire his ass!", that the manager is going to turn around and say "Your fired, go home."...................
Yeah that just happened. Someone JUST said that.....
Did he seriously just say that? Ok seriously, I have super low tolerance for ignorance in people and ignorant comments. You have fun in dreamland. I'm off to try and find intelligent people to discuss intelligent things with. *shakes head* he honestly just said If I work at best buy and complain about a T.V being crap product, and told my manager. The manager then called *whoever made it* company and said "look I have an employee here that seems to think your brand of televisions are not well made and are garbage".
They in turn tell the manager "OH YEAH! Fire his ass!", that the manager is going to turn around and say "Your fired, go home."................... Yeah that just happened. Someone JUST said that..... Wow.......
HAHAHA your funny too. No the employee isnt important and your not reviewing TVs to promote the buying of a product. Now if you were CNET and SONY had you review there TV and you said there TV sucked they pull there advertisements or they would want taht reviewer canned. Understand the business then get back to me with your results you trying to compare apples to oranges and your failing miserably.
Sure, businesses will try to stay in good terms with their partners, but try walking into any of the big name stores where you live, buy $1,000 TV and then tell the manager you want X random employee fired because he said the TV you bought was trash. They'll laugh at you and won't fire the guy unless you 1)make up a semi convincing story AND 2)the guy already had disipline issues AND 3)the manager was just waiting for an excuse to fire them. Guaranteed if the guy was one of their star performers he wouldn't be fired.
HAHAHA are you serious.No the employee would be fired if the TV manufactur said to fire that employee.HAHA are you serious haha get a better analogy.
That is NOT what you said. You don't even know what the hell you are saying half the time, much less have a point. Leave thinking to the big kids please.
Well you guys keep making me laugh i forget what the hell i say maybe but this is what will be said for sure. we will use Best Buy as well again
Im manager of Best Buy, I have Sony come in and they say we will give you our products. They put the products on the shelf. Ok now Best buy just starteded a review of products whatever. Well one of the best buy employee reviews just Ragged on a Sony product the XBR4 Bravia i mean really roasted it. Sony sends a letter to the manager saying hey get rid of this dude or you lose our products. Hmm you let me know what they are going to do.
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I saw the video review. It really did seem pretty harsh. I've seen that guy review other games and it was never like that.
To his defense though, the average ranking for Kane and Lynch was a 6.6/10 across all platforms, and across all reviews.
If anything, Gamespot should have suspended him for a certain period of time, and allowed him to review games only if he proved his worth again.
I don't blame Eidos for going against this guy, I blame gamespot for caving in.
That was not what stradden was saying.
He was saying that you do NOT fire a reviewer for a company and it's advertisements.
You let the company go and stop hosting their advertisements so that this kind of thing that happened at gamespot does not happen. You never want to lose viewers because you did something wrong (fire an employee for the greed of a company) over advertisements.
Well apparently this advertiser has a good chunk in gamespot revenue.
Advertisements come a plenty.... viewers once scorned are gone forever.... Don't believe me. Head over to the SWG vet forums, they will be happy to explain a viewer/user rebellion for you.
Well if that was the case alot of veiwers wouldnt be going to the review spots. Ive seen plenty of reviews that are incorrect but doesnt mean im not going to come back because i believe they were wrong.
I will type it extremely slow next time if you continue to not understand what is being said here.
I will use this format.
S o y o u g e t i t a n d u n d e r s t a n d e v e r y t h i n g? O K?
P L E A S E D O I N E E D Y O U R I N P U T A G A I N
C U Z I A M I N C A P A B L E T O C O M P R E H E N D!
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That was not what stradden was saying.
He was saying that you do NOT fire a reviewer for a company and it's advertisements.
You let the company go and stop hosting their advertisements so that this kind of thing that happened at gamespot does not happen. You never want to lose viewers because you did something wrong (fire an employee for the greed of a company) over advertisements.
Well apparently this advertiser has a good chunk in gamespot revenue.
Advertisements come a plenty.... viewers once scorned are gone forever.... Don't believe me. Head over to the SWG vet forums, they will be happy to explain a viewer/user rebellion for you.
Well if that was the case alot of veiwers wouldnt be going to the review spots. Ive seen plenty of reviews that are incorrect but doesnt mean im not going to come back because i believe they were wrong.
Reviews are opinions, nothing more and nothing less. They are the interpretation of a game as played by reviewer #123,456. They only mean as much as the info you are looking to take from them. The fact a guy was fired over this is enough. The guy should still be employed, and Eidos are rat basterds for doing what they did. Gamespot are even bigger assholes by allowing it.
I will type it extremely slow next time if you continue to not understand what is being said here.
I will use this format.
S o y o u g e t i t a n d u n d e r s t a n d e v e r y t h i n g? O K?
P L E A S E D O I N E E D Y O U R I N P U T A G A I N
C U Z I A M I N C A P A B L E T O C O M P R E H E N D!
This is obvious.
Wow keep trying to defend what you cant change. The sites do it no matter what you think and the only reason stradden is saying somthing is because hes trying to credit this site when i said 9 out of 10 sites do this. He could of just left it alone and presumed that this site was the 1 out of the 10 but no he chose to say somthing to me so makes me wonder if this site is part of the 9 out of 10 i say do this. The fact that you want to go back and forth with me leds me to believe you could care less about what im saying you just want to keep opening your mouth to see if ill say something to get banned. I'm not sorry so end that quest now. I told my views your not going to change them. You take what i say for what its worth just like stradden told me and i told him. If you want to keep going back and forth we can i got nothing but time to waste and to be honest the things that you say entertain me. This site is a business not a fan site so im a stick with what i said and not no one will change my thoughts not even god himself/herself (though i dont believe) so please enlighten me some more.
edit : watch this and you will know how i feel about this topic http://youtube.com/watch?v=do6UTpzyYNM
cuz you just do you and imma do me.
But without advertisers it doesn't matter how much traffic you have because you wont have a site.
Why should i read a review on a game thats been dictaded by the developing game company? Whats the interest in that? Such information is useless. It would have been better they never started the site up in the first place then.
Wow keep trying to defend what you cant change. The sites do it no matter what you think and the only reason stradden is saying somthing is because hes trying to credit this site when i said 9 out of 10 sites do this. He could of just left it alone and presumed that this site was the 1 out of the 10 but no he chose to say somthing to me so makes me wonder if this site is part of the 9 out of 10 i say do this. The fact that you want to go back and forth with me leds me to believe you could care less about what im saying you just want to keep opening your mouth to see if ill say something to get banned. I'm not sorry so end that quest now. I told my views your not going to change them. You take what i say for what its worth just like stradden told me and i told him. If you want to keep going back and forth we can i got nothing but time to waste and to be honest the things that you say entertain me. This site is a business not a fan site so im a stick with what i said and not no one will change my thoughts not even god himself/herself (though i dont believe) so please enlighten me some more.
edit : watch this and you will know how i feel about this topic http://youtube.com/watch?v=do6UTpzyYNM
cuz you just do you and imma do me.
You have obviously made up your mind on this topic and can't be swayed. I want you to think about something though. You have decided that you KNOW something to be true based on ZERO evidence. To you, this all seems VERY clear because its "common sense", "obvious", you've "heard people say it", etc. Thats all BS. Its all hearsay. You could just as easily say that you KNOW the easter bunny is real. You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that coerscion and bribery are an integral part of this business. Those are extremely serious allegations, so burden of proof is on you, btw. "Guilty because I think so and dont even bother trying to prove me wrong" doesnt work. Thousands of hours of unsubstantiated rants on YouTube or MySpace or the blogosphere or anywhere else by people who share the same bias does NOT count as evidence. Thats a quorum of the converted riling each other up.
Why dont you consider this... The president of Eidos categorically denied this rumor in Game Informer. I know. He's lying, they're lying, there is a conspiracy, you're not convinced. See. Thats called bias. You have ZERO evidence beyond your "gut feeling" and all of the hearsay, yet you are fully prepared to completely believe one side and utterly reject the other.
So how about this... If what you're saying is true, this editor has a massive wrongful termination lawsuit. if he had ANY evidence at ALL a million scheister lawyers would LINE UP to take the case. Hell, even WITHOUT evidence they'd take it. So where is the lawsuit? People like you who feel you KNOW that this is happening have found your holy grail with this case. Get it into court and adjuticate it. But let me guess... Even if a JUDGE AND JURY found there to be no evidence of collusion you would reject it right? But I guess you dont see that as a problem in your view of this issue?
Too many people these days do 4 seconds of "internet research" latch onto the rantings of 1000 other people doing the same "research" and then ride the bandwagon of various conspiracies. Information is at an all time high while critical thinking and knowledge continues to plunge. Very dangerous.
You have obviously made up your mind on this topic and can't be swayed. I want you to think about something though. You have decided that you KNOW something to be true based on ZERO evidence. To you, this all seems VERY clear because its "common sense", "obvious", you've "heard people say it", etc. Thats all BS. Its all hearsay. You could just as easily say that you KNOW the easter bunny is real. You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that coerscion and bribery are an integral part of this business. Those are extremely serious allegations, so burden of proof is on you, btw. "Guilty because I think so and dont even bother trying to prove me wrong" doesnt work. Thousands of hours of unsubstantiated rants on YouTube or MySpace or the blogosphere or anywhere else by people who share the same bias does NOT count as evidence. Thats a quorum of the converted riling each other up.
Why dont you consider this... The president of Eidos categorically denied this rumor in Game Informer. I know. He's lying, they're lying, there is a conspiracy, you're not convinced. See. Thats called bias. You have ZERO evidence beyond your "gut feeling" and all of the hearsay, yet you are fully prepared to completely believe one side and utterly reject the other.
So how about this... If what you're saying is true, this editor has a massive wrongful termination lawsuit. if he had ANY evidence at ALL a million scheister lawyers would LINE UP to take the case. Hell, even WITHOUT evidence they'd take it. So where is the lawsuit? People like you who feel you KNOW that this is happening have found your holy grail with this case. Get it into court and adjuticate it. But let me guess... Even if a JUDGE AND JURY found there to be no evidence of collusion you would reject it right? But I guess you dont see that as a problem in your view of this issue?
Too many people these days do 4 seconds of "internet research" latch onto the rantings of 1000 other people doing the same "research" and then ride the bandwagon of various conspiracies. Information is at an all time high while critical thinking and knowledge continues to plunge. Very dangerous.
mlambert890 no use in trying to reason with this guy. I gave up yesterday. Some people are to worried about hip hop videos featuring stacks of cash, cars and hoes to worry about the state of the world.
*shrugs* play on playa.... play on.....
Speaking as someone who works in games journalism, I can tell you that is is much less common for advertisers to have any say whatsoever about what content goes on a site. That's why it's so shocking when these events occur. Smart websites and magazines keep their content and editorial staff as far away from the advertising end of things as possible.
I'll put it to you this way: Is it really worth losing your credibility with your audience over a single sponsor? There are lots of sponsors / advertisers out there, you only get one reputation. I'm just saying that you're not looking at the whole picture here.
Jon,
You are 100% correct. That is why I will forever refuse to buy anything again with EIDOS name on it. It doesn't matter if it is AoC, STO, or the remaking of SWG by another developer. If EIDOS is involved at all, then I'm not buying the product. They muscled a company to fire a senior reviewer for a very honest opinion. EIDOS lost all credibility to me over that move. It may not have anything to do with Funcom directly, but by not finding a new publisher, Funcom has shown that they like the way EIDOS deals with the community. If any site they advertise on writes a negative review about AoC, Funcom knows EIDSO will pressure the company to fire the review and retract the article or lose money.
If a game is crap then it is crap. It isn't the reviewers job to find the roses through a pile of cow patties.
I'm sorry, but what EIDOS did is the wrong way to run a gaming business. They've seen they can get by with it and they will definately do it again.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
You have obviously made up your mind on this topic and can't be swayed. I want you to think about something though. You have decided that you KNOW something to be true based on ZERO evidence. To you, this all seems VERY clear because its "common sense", "obvious", you've "heard people say it", etc. Thats all BS. Its all hearsay. You could just as easily say that you KNOW the easter bunny is real. You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that coerscion and bribery are an integral part of this business. Those are extremely serious allegations, so burden of proof is on you, btw. "Guilty because I think so and dont even bother trying to prove me wrong" doesnt work. Thousands of hours of unsubstantiated rants on YouTube or MySpace or the blogosphere or anywhere else by people who share the same bias does NOT count as evidence. Thats a quorum of the converted riling each other up.
Why dont you consider this... The president of Eidos categorically denied this rumor in Game Informer. I know. He's lying, they're lying, there is a conspiracy, you're not convinced. See. Thats called bias. You have ZERO evidence beyond your "gut feeling" and all of the hearsay, yet you are fully prepared to completely believe one side and utterly reject the other.
So how about this... If what you're saying is true, this editor has a massive wrongful termination lawsuit. if he had ANY evidence at ALL a million scheister lawyers would LINE UP to take the case. Hell, even WITHOUT evidence they'd take it. So where is the lawsuit? People like you who feel you KNOW that this is happening have found your holy grail with this case. Get it into court and adjuticate it. But let me guess... Even if a JUDGE AND JURY found there to be no evidence of collusion you would reject it right? But I guess you dont see that as a problem in your view of this issue?
Too many people these days do 4 seconds of "internet research" latch onto the rantings of 1000 other people doing the same "research" and then ride the bandwagon of various conspiracies. Information is at an all time high while critical thinking and knowledge continues to plunge. Very dangerous.
mlambert890 no use in trying to reason with this guy. I gave up yesterday. Some people are to worried about hip hop videos featuring stacks of cash, cars and hoes to worry about the state of the world.
*shrugs* play on playa.... play on.....
Shrugs yes shrugs mlabert890 neonaka. Simply you don't understand that not everything is in black and white like you wish. Your claims can't be proven just like mine so what of it. If you think this isn't a business and in the business they need money to operate your only fooling yourselves. Yes if you lose members you lose money but if you lose advertisers you lose money. And yes there are alot of advertisers but not all of them have the bank roll edios has which for some reason your not understanding. This site and many others need funding PERIOD just accept it. And no i could care less about damn hip hop videos i pointed you to the song for the fact of you do you and imma do me. I know what i know you know what you know thats where it starts and ends get over yourselfs.
The loss of one advertiser, in this case Eidos, wasn't going to financially impair Gamespot to the point they have to shut down. If their ability to exist depended on only one company, then their leadership has issues.
This said, I'm not one to put much stock in reviews for the simple fact that they are one person's opinion, nothing more or less. I understand some people can't function without the comfort of some other person they have never met in their life saying it's ok to play a game, but I'd rather try it and find out myself if I like it or not. As others have illuded to as well, the reviewer that was fired more than likely had other items that none of us but he and Gamespot know about with regard to an employer/employee relationship (disciplinary issues, etc) that also contributed to his termination.
Course, if people want to avoid Eidos for what they percieve Eidos did to someone they don't even know, hey, more power to you. I choose to never play a game or buy a product affiliated with SOE/Sony again, but that had to do with something they did directly to me, not some random person who probably could care less if I got hit by a bus or that I even exist. *shrug*
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
these are your top advertisers. And whatever they dont like the sites are going to listen. You think that xbox magize or GFW magizine arn't bias on certain games for there systems? You honestly cant believe that because i know everyone has at least ONCE read a review and thought opposite of what they gave.
these are your top advertisers. And whatever they dont like the sites are going to listen. You think that xbox magize or GFW magizine arn't bias on certain games for there systems? You honestly cant believe that because i know everyone has at least ONCE read a review and thought opposite of what they gave.
What you are still not getting and for the life of all of us you just refuse to see, is gamespot in this particular instance, features ALL of these top 20 advertisers you have listen ALL the time.
If Eidos who happens to be #16 decided to walk away, trust me gamespot could give 2 shits less. They have from #1-15 and 17-20 to support them.
This was a point in case I was trying to make to you 4 post ago.
It it VERY piss poor business ethic to shit can someone because #16 said so.
It is also the dumbest shit I have ever heard come from someone.
Khalathwyr is right if this guy did get canned it had more to do with him as a writer more than his review.
Even if he did get fired for Eidos alone. This is VERY stupid on gamespot's part. They are giving up their target audience for 1 of 20 advertisers.
This is a trickle rain effect.
You piss off an entire group of people even 1,000 (your number not mine) and that is 1,000 potential customers that company #1-15 and 17-20 just lost because you decided to back-up and listen to #16 alone.
Come on guy get serious, Noone in business does this kinda shit, it is suicide if you you get caught, just as gamespot has found out.
Advertisers mean nothing, they are a dime a dozen. Customers are everything in business, without them you have no business. You are a webpage in an endless sea of webpages that noones give a crap about.
these are your top advertisers. And whatever they dont like the sites are going to listen. You think that xbox magize or GFW magizine arn't bias on certain games for there systems? You honestly cant believe that because i know everyone has at least ONCE read a review and thought opposite of what they gave.
I have no idea where you pulled that information from and honestly don't care. That's not meant in a rude way, I just don't care, lol. Just as you yourself said earlier, you believe what you want and I will what I want. The topic at hand is Eidos and Gamespot, not all these other companies, and I think Gamespot has enough revenue coming in from other areas than to take orders from Eidos about who stays on their employee roster.Sure, businesses will try to stay in good terms with their partners, but try walking into any of the big name stores where you live, buy $1,000 TV and then tell the manager you want X random employee fired because he said the TV you bought was trash. They'll laugh at you and won't fire the guy unless you 1)make up a semi convincing story AND 2)the guy already had disipline issues AND 3)the manager was just waiting for an excuse to fire them. Guaranteed if the guy was one of their star performers he wouldn't be fired.
As I said before, I really don't care what a reviewer writes as it's their own personal opinion about a game. I'm an adult and I can form my own opinions. I will read sites for previews to find out what features are in a game, but I could care less whether the author of the article I'm reading thinks the features are cool or not. I can figure that out by playing the game myself.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
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No its not. Big business could care less about a employee. Business is business. Everyone here is mad at eidos minus the few who mention gamespot. Eidos did nothing wrong. They didnt like the review so they used there influence to get what they wanted. Gamespot was thinking money you the site vister isnt paying gamespot crap they could care less what you think cuz at the end of the day it comes down to revenue. also He delieveried the review in a incorrect manner. he could of reviewed that game the same way and gave it the same score if he would of thought business and said the pros then cons. He wanted to get fired and he got his wish. I turned the review off after 10seconds his first few words are this game is UGLY, everything is UGLY. Me as a gamer am going to say this game is crap and turn the video review off. Eidos saw that and was like WTF. He could of said in the beginning what he like and then at the end say what he hated and said rent this pile before you buy and he would still have a job. He Roasted the game all the way thru the review and the last 20 seconds he praises the multiplayer bank robbing. So doubting what i say is just you being nieve.
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Like I told you before, If everyone stopped coming to MMORPG tomorrow and quit coming here for 1 month alone, every company would pull every ad off this site at the speed of light. MMORPG would die and become hosted on geocities.
Sites income come from ads yes, but ads have to be clicked on to generate any profit for the site. Otherwise the ad companies are paying the site for nothing. Who wants to give a site money just so they can have a jpeg or gif pasted everywhere?
NOONE! Every ad is a link to somewhere else, somewhere with products you might buy. No viewers, no clicks, no clicks, no products sold, no products sold, useless waste of time.
No its not. Big business could care less about a employee. Business is business. Everyone here is mad at eidos minus the few who mention gamespot. Eidos did nothing wrong. They didnt like the review so they used there influence to get what they wanted. Gamespot was thinking money you the site vister isnt paying gamespot crap they could care less what you think cuz at the end of the day it comes down to revenue. also He delieveried the review in a incorrect manner. he could of reviewed that game the same way and gave it the same score if he would of thought business and said the pros then cons. He wanted to get fired and he got his wish. I turned the review off after 10seconds his first few words are this game is UGLY, everything is UGLY. Me as a gamer am going to say this game is crap and turn the video review off. Eidos saw that and was like WTF. He could of said in the beginning what he like and then at the end say what he hated and said rent this pile before you buy and he would still have a job. He Roasted the game all the way thru the review and the last 20 seconds he praises the multiplayer bank robbing. So doubting what i say is just you being nieve.
I can agree that he chose a very unprofessional way in which to present his review (I watched the review vid). That, to me, says more about how he conducted/presented himself at work which would lead me to strongly believe that there were in fact other disciplinary issues regarding him. Pair that up with a memo from Eidos saying "Hey, we really didn't appreciate that review", which Eidos has every right to not like a review, and I can see where Gerstmann's boss says "You know what Jeff, that's the last straw."
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
HAHAHA are you serious. No the employee would be fired if the TV manufactur said to fire that employee. HAHA are you serious haha get a better analogy.
HAHAHA are you serious. No the employee would be fired if the TV manufactur said to fire that employee. HAHA are you serious haha get a better analogy.
Yeah, I am serious. I used to work for Hilton Hotels Corporation and I can't tell you how many whiny HHonors members would call complaining about a hotel staff member and demanding they be fired. Guess what, the staff members are still their working
What was your Diamond VIP account number by the way? (for the mods, I really don't want the account number and if he has one and posts it, noone else can do anything with it unless they have his picture ID. Well, I could have the account closed, but I have better things to do with my time :P )
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Not everyone is going to stop going to gamespot because they fired that guy. Gamespot seems to still be running fine and seems that everyone is still loveing the site. So please show me where no one is going to gamespot any more because of this firing. Site doesnt seem to be affected at all.
ROFLMAO on this one. Your analogy wont work because as you just said you work for the hilton the costumer has no say so. Now if a board of members of the hilton chain says to fire you it will happen best believe dat haha. your so funny keep going please.
HAHAHA are you serious. No the employee would be fired if the TV manufactur said to fire that employee. HAHA are you serious haha get a better analogy.
Did he seriously just say that?
Ok seriously, I have super low tolerance for ignorance in people and ignorant comments.
You have fun in dreamland. I'm off to try and find intelligent people to discuss intelligent things with.
*shakes head* he honestly just said If I work at best buy and complain about a T.V being crap product, and told my manager. The manager then called *whoever made it* company and said "look I have an employee here that seems to think your brand of televisions are not well made and are garbage".
They in turn tell the manager "OH YEAH! Fire his ass!", that the manager is going to turn around and say "Your fired, go home."...................
Yeah that just happened. Someone JUST said that.....
Wow.......
HAHAHA your funny too. No the employee isnt important and your not reviewing TVs to promote the buying of a product. Now if you were CNET and SONY had you review there TV and you said there TV sucked they pull there advertisements or they would want taht reviewer canned. Understand the business then get back to me with your results you trying to compare apples to oranges and your failing miserably.
HAHAHA are you serious. No the employee would be fired if the TV manufactur said to fire that employee. HAHA are you serious haha get a better analogy.
That is NOT what you said. You don't even know what the hell you are saying half the time, much less have a point. Leave thinking to the big kids please.
Im manager of Best Buy, I have Sony come in and they say we will give you our products. They put the products on the shelf. Ok now Best buy just starteded a review of products whatever. Well one of the best buy employee reviews just Ragged on a Sony product the XBR4 Bravia i mean really roasted it. Sony sends a letter to the manager saying hey get rid of this dude or you lose our products. Hmm you let me know what they are going to do.