Yeah, I am serious. I used to work for Hilton Hotels Corporation and I can't tell you how many whiny HHonors members would call complaining about a hotel staff member and demanding they be fired. Guess what, the staff members are still their working What was your Diamond VIP account number by the way? (for the mods, I really don't want the account number and if he has one and posts it, noone else can do anything with it unless they have his picture ID. Well, I could have the account closed, but I have better things to do with my time :P )
ROFLMAO on this one. Your analogy wont work because as you just said you work for the hilton the costumer has no say so. Now if a board of members of the hilton chain says to fire you it will happen best believe dat haha. your so funny keep going please.
It will work as I have a realistic idea of how much revenue Diamond VIP members generate for Hilton Hotels Corporation per year and you don't. Suffice it to say it is more than the hundred of thousands Eidos was paying Gamespot.
But hey, you just want to argue and not actually listen to ideas from other people who have experience in aspects of life you don't. As proven with your back and forth with Stradden, you just want the "last word". Anything anyone says that doesn't agree with your view you disregard. So, there really is no point in continuing a conversation with you. Best of luck in whatever you do. You'll need it.
(taking bets now that he has to have one more reply to this to have the last word)
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It will work as I have a realistic idea of how much revenue Diamond VIP members generate for Hilton Hotels Corporation per year and you don't. Suffice it to say it is more than the hundred of thousands Eidos was paying Gamespot.
But hey, you just want to argue and not actually listen to ideas from other people who have experience in aspects of life you don't. As proven with your back and forth with Stradden, you just want the "last word". Anything anyone says that doesn't agree with your view you disregard. So, there really is no point in continuing a conversation with you. Best of luck in whatever you do. You'll need it. (taking bets now that he has to have one more reply to this to have the last word)
I dont want the last word. That seems to be you guys. Stradden and me didnt go back and forth he said what he had to say i said what i had to say and we both took what we both said for what it was worth. People like you keep this sherade going and i am happy to keep it going. i have nothing better to do. Eidos prolly has more to do with gamespot then what people are making it out to be or else it would be just like everyone is saying. Gamespot reviews and previews games. They want to do review every game in the line up. If Eidos is going to take there business away from them or fix it they are going to fix it. Just like with hilton honors diamond vip. If some employee is treating there diamond vip they are going axe that employee. the consumer has no say in this. i dont know why you guys keep trying to put some holy grail on consomers. Gamespot is still running fine. people are still visiting the site and people still love there reviews. just because they lost 20 people because they fired someone means ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to them just like with anything. your getting away from the facts and i keep dishing them out.
All said and done, none of this makes the blindest bit of difference to me regarding wthether I will buy this game.
I never rely on one review anyway - and find that in aggregate the broad picture emerging from multiple reviewers is not too bad.
I tend to find that games in the 90s in metacritic are genuinely better than games in the 70s... shenanigans notwithstanding. If a review site is stupid enough to score according to ad dollars received, it won't be long til it loses credibility and clicks.. and therefore more advertising dollars in the long run.
It just wasn't some "reviewer" either, it was one of the best reviewers in the industry, Jeff Gerstmann.
Well if he was the best review in the industry he would of known what not to do and would of chose a more tact-ful way to roast this game
Please stop making excuses for EIDOS. They cried foul to gamespot because EIDOS had a major ad campaign going for said game when his review was unleashed. EIDOS got very upset and called for someone's head. I've played the game in question and I can honestly say that Jeff was tactful. That was one of the absolute worst video games ever! EIDOS needs to watch what games they decide to market so stuff like this doesn't happen. If anyone is to blame, it is the EIDOS staff members that agreed to sign a marketing deal for the game. It just goes to show you that EIDOS will market and distribute garbage if the price is right.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Apparently another one of GS staff has left. There is an article about this today I just read and mentions that situation the site has been in since the story mentioned in this thread.
In all seriousness, people should judge the game by themselves, either Trial or Buddy Key. Only true way to know if you like the game or not. The above poster has it right to some degree, for those that don't have the time to install or try a game and rely on a reviewer then well thats their choice. Lets not forget that this is being made by FUNCOM, Eidos is just the publisher. For Europe they are better than GOA or Codemasters.. besides I bet the OP loved Eidos published / made games before said allegations.
Considering both Codemasters and GOA have MMO support experience, am I missing one that Eidos has done to gain a reputation in publishing an MMO?
It is a different animal for sure, as many publishers have shown an inability to understand over time with some products. Its not that they are uncapable, but the console format of publishing is not a model that works for MMO's and is often overlooked.
Console is a Fire and Forget launch, while an MMO needs care and a marketing plan that extends long after a 30 day launch period.
Like I said, I may have missed which MMO Eidos has supported in Europe, so I was curious if you had some information on that.
Please stop making excuses for EIDOS. They cried foul to gamespot because EIDOS had a major ad campaign going for said game when his review was unleashed. EIDOS got very upset and called for someone's head. I've played the game in question and I can honestly say that Jeff was tactful. That was one of the absolute worst video games ever! EIDOS needs to watch what games they decide to market so stuff like this doesn't happen. If anyone is to blame, it is the EIDOS staff members that agreed to sign a marketing deal for the game. It just goes to show you that EIDOS will market and distribute garbage if the price is right.
Eidos didnt do anything wrong. Why are you blaming them. The didnt fire anybody. GS did. GS is to blame Eidos just said do this or im out. If GS had it in them they would of said bye bye but they chose not to not eidos fault at all which i dont understand why people are only blaming them and forgetting about GS.
Please stop making excuses for EIDOS. They cried foul to gamespot because EIDOS had a major ad campaign going for said game when his review was unleashed. EIDOS got very upset and called for someone's head. I've played the game in question and I can honestly say that Jeff was tactful. That was one of the absolute worst video games ever! EIDOS needs to watch what games they decide to market so stuff like this doesn't happen. If anyone is to blame, it is the EIDOS staff members that agreed to sign a marketing deal for the game. It just goes to show you that EIDOS will market and distribute garbage if the price is right.
Eidos didnt do anything wrong. Why are you blaming them. The didnt fire anybody. GS did. GS is to blame Eidos just said do this or im out. If GS had it in them they would of said bye bye but they chose not to not eidos fault at all which i dont understand why people are only blaming them and forgetting about GS.
Calling for someone's head isn't wrong? I guess six people of gamespot leaving means EIDOS did nothing wrong. If it wasn't for EIDOS calling for someone's head, then this saga wouldn't have happened. You are right, two companies are to blame, EIDOS and Gamespot. Both were wrong. Sorry Funcom, you picked the wrong publisher.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
It just wasn't some "reviewer" either, it was one of the best reviewers in the industry, Jeff Gerstmann.
Well if he was the best review in the industry he would of known what not to do and would of chose a more tact-ful way to roast this game
Are you a EIDOS employee??
All you have written so far is Eidos defence speaches. Eidos were caught with there hands in the cockey jar. There credibility is all time low and i will never buy a Eidos game in future and i totally sympatize with the poor guy that were sacked cause a greedy company as Eidos couldnt accept his opinions on their game.
Also removed gamespot from "my favourites" and will never log in to that site again.
This thread is gradually drifting off into hilarity.
Yes, EIDOS was wrong to do what they did.
Yes, Gamespot was wrong to give in to the demand.
No, it won't keep me from buying future EIDOS products. Why? call me a cynical bastard and ignorant if you want (and I'm betting I'll get responses to that effect), but I really, really can't be bothered to care about this issue.
Now before all of you begin to flame me, you might want to take a second to look at yourself and the products you purchased and use every day. Are you using Windows? Have we not all heard the stories of how Microsoft used unethical business practices to gain dominance and keep their position in the Software market? Just one example. If you refuse to buy a product from any company that uses "cheap shots" like this, then you'd certainly be in quite a predicament, and I'm only talking about things that actually came to the surface, never mind the backstabbing that is most likely going on in ANY big company.
Flame me if you will, but this issue is so small on a corporate scale that I really can't see why it should hinder me from buying products in the future. Sure, scream for world-betterment if you will, but as I said, I'm a cynical bastard and it's not like EIDOS was caught in truly unethical business that would have my hair standing on end. They pressed for the firing of a reviewer on a gaming-site.
The views above are my own and I do not want to convince anyone of them.
In an attempt to get this back on topic, I have a question about this overall thread: 1. How does the fact that, even if this is true (to the extent the arguments here assume), how does this equate to worries about Age of Conan? In other words, why as a consumer should I be concerned about Eidios involvement? Its not like their pressure on Gamespot did a lot; there are 1000s of reviewers and review sites out there. My point is that all we have is circumstantial evidence that the events occured as it is stated they did. And also, other than Eidios LIMITED involvement with Age of Conan, how does it effect me, a future player of AOC? Shady dealings, back-room deals and this type of thing happens all the time in the public and private sector. This is just one case of probably 100s that don't get reported. I am not saying that its right, and I am truly sorry that the reviewer got terminated because I think he was good at his job (and I really liked his reviews), but this one instance should not equate to doom cast all over Age of Conan like many seem to think it will. If we took every unethical business practice into account and tried to prevent ourselves from being affiliated with any company that does something questionable, I think we would probably have to live in a very very secluded area with little contact from the outside world. If you want proof of what I am talking about, do a little research into how Wal-Mart treats its suppliers and certain employees.
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Limited dealings with AoC my a$$! They are marketing, publishing, and distributing this game. EIDOS makes money putting paid advertising IN GAME. Don't sit here patronizing people. When AoC ends up with item mall and/or in-game advertising, that was directed by EIDOS for more money milking you can look back on your conversation in this thread as to why people shouldn't buy any games with the EIDOS logo on it.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Okay, this shit needs to be fixed. It IS censorship, yes. But it's a private company. Just because your government's laws may give you freedom of speech/expression/what-have-you in the public realm, does NOT mean that a company has to let you say whatever you want in their domain.
If I were on this forum being extremely negative and racist, I'd get banned, and IP blocked probably. That's censorship. If I were talking about bunnies and flowers and got banned and IP blocked, it would be equivalent to the previous example. Not because the offenses are equally offensive, but because in the private realm the owner's rules are law.
If Eidos payed gamespot (in money or goods/services) and got a reviewer fired: Okay? Yay? Free market working. Yeah, it sucks for the guy/girl, but gamespot is a business. When it sees an opportunity to make/take money, it will.
Chill the hell out people. It is NOT a big deal. Cry more. It's the way of the world, and it's not bad.
Originally posted by Sothage If Eidos payed gamespot (in money or goods/services) and got a reviewer fired: Okay? Yay? Free market working. Yeah, it sucks for the guy/girl, but gamespot is a business. When it sees an opportunity to make/take money, it will.
Chill the hell out people. It is NOT a big deal. Cry more. It's the way of the world, and it's not bad.
And likewise is shouldn't be a big deal to report this censorship and allow others to make a choice based on that.
This is a case where he who cries "take a chill pill" may actually need to take a chill pill.
Okay, this shit needs to be fixed. It IS censorship, yes. But it's a private company. Just because your government's laws may give you freedom of speech/expression/what-have-you in the public realm, does NOT mean that a company has to let you say whatever you want in their domain.
If I were on this forum being extremely negative and racist, I'd get banned, and IP blocked probably. That's censorship. If I were talking about bunnies and flowers and got banned and IP blocked, it would be equivalent to the previous example. Not because the offenses are equally offensive, but because in the private realm the owner's rules are law.
If Eidos payed gamespot (in money or goods/services) and got a reviewer fired: Okay? Yay? Free market working. Yeah, it sucks for the guy/girl, but gamespot is a business. When it sees an opportunity to make/take money, it will.
Chill the hell out people. It is NOT a big deal. Cry more. It's the way of the world, and it's not bad.
I hope you really don't mean this. Also, I hope that Gamespot isn't in a right-to-work state. I hope EIDOS and Gamespot get sued over this for tens of millions of dollars. Sure, it isn't right, but like you said, it is the way of the world.
Karma is swift. I hope it bites you in kind to your comments above.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Please stop making excuses for EIDOS. They cried foul to gamespot because EIDOS had a major ad campaign going for said game when his review was unleashed. EIDOS got very upset and called for someone's head. I've played the game in question and I can honestly say that Jeff was tactful. That was one of the absolute worst video games ever! EIDOS needs to watch what games they decide to market so stuff like this doesn't happen. If anyone is to blame, it is the EIDOS staff members that agreed to sign a marketing deal for the game. It just goes to show you that EIDOS will market and distribute garbage if the price is right.
Eidos didnt do anything wrong. Why are you blaming them. The didnt fire anybody. GS did. GS is to blame Eidos just said do this or im out. If GS had it in them they would of said bye bye but they chose not to not eidos fault at all which i dont understand why people are only blaming them and forgetting about GS.
Calling for someone's head isn't wrong? I guess six people of gamespot leaving means EIDOS did nothing wrong. If it wasn't for EIDOS calling for someone's head, then this saga wouldn't have happened. You are right, two companies are to blame, EIDOS and Gamespot. Both were wrong. Sorry Funcom, you picked the wrong publisher.
No like i have been saying. Just because GS is losing employees Eidos isn't there still live and kicking and far as i know so is GS. just because you lose some senoir guys just means you can hire new ones and pay them less. All works out how the world turns. GS has a TV Spot they have to fund and little clickies of ads on the site is nothing compared to the fund they need to keep there TV station running. So bye bye people who cry because you dont know how to review a game on a TV spot for the people who fund your pay check.
Game industry is already a joke. Only bad games come out cause of money killing creativity. This is a sad new for he gaming world, for AoC but most of all, for us gamers. I hate busness. Now AoC can say byebye to my suscribtion. And I'm going to change my ype lvl from 10 to 1.
And what GS did is not even the tip of the iceburg of what companies do to there employee's. Look at Wal-mart. I bet you still go and shop at walmart but your not going to buy another eidos game because of this? Come on get over it people. Unless Jeff or any of the 6 are your home bois. You don't care really when it comes down to it. You just want a reason to rant and rave about how injust it is. But wont take a look at other things that are injust in this world. Get over it people.
You know what is funny is people still bring this up. Even after Jeff said that his fireing was not because of the bad review of the game. It was due to a combination of issues that had arised over the last few years and the fact that he felt working at GameSpot was shifting to be a negative view and wasnt what it was before the new management took over.
Needless to say Jeff is doing about 100x better now along with the GameSpot staff that has quit and moved over to working at there newly created company www.giantbomb.com Now they own there own website and company so the only people to call the shoots are themselfs. This was originaly how GameSpot started out and over the years as it became a commercial player in game reviews the company had started shifting to a more business modulated setup.
Needless to say his firing was all around just plain bad timing, seeing as how he had just did a review on a game that scored low in it scoreing (needless to say its worth pointing out said game got low reviews by just about every reviewing website out there.)
So putting all the blame on anyone is just plain dumb. The business side of GameSpot felt that said reviewer was no longer preforming to there standards so they fired him.
If you deicde to not play a game based on circumstaincal information from third partys and not from the man himself then its better for the game. You can read said reviewers blog yourself at http://blog.jeffgerstmann.net/ and then watch his G4 interviews and you get the full picture of what happened and that it wasnt Eidos's fault or really anyones for that matter.
At the end of the day, it probably won't stop most people from buying the game. Many companies that make these games have done things in their past that involve horrid service or bad business practices. Does it bother me about what happened with Eidos? Sure. It probably won't stop me from buying the game.
Look at Sony. Sony got caught years ago in the act of creating journalists that didn't exist to give certain movies good reviews in order to see them, plus their legendary customer service and complete SWG debacle for which they even apologized for.
The we have EA who has bought Mythic who is making WAR. I bought C&C3 and was completely floored with how piss poor they were to react to the wide spread cheating and exploits of the games ladder. It took them literally months to implement patches to remove crash bugs they wouldn't count as a loss, and exploits that rendered your units unkillable. Mind you while this was going on, they were boasting themselves to be in the World Cyber Games with ladder ranking full of exploiters. One time the servers went down on the weekend and stayed down for days, their excuse was something along the lines of ..."We didn't know they were down because it was the weekend". We won't even talk about how they destroyed DAOC with ToA.
Fact of the matter is most us still probably own Sony products in our houses, or played an EA sports game or "Battlefield" regardless of whatever past negativity the companies have been responsible for. The memory span of the consumer isn't that long. When your sitting there faced with the option to be bored or buy a quality game (when it actually comes along) by a company who has done stupid thing, most people will STFU and buy the game quietly.
Okay, this shit needs to be fixed. It IS censorship, yes. But it's a private company. Just because your government's laws may give you freedom of speech/expression/what-have-you in the public realm, does NOT mean that a company has to let you say whatever you want in their domain.
If I were on this forum being extremely negative and racist, I'd get banned, and IP blocked probably. That's censorship. If I were talking about bunnies and flowers and got banned and IP blocked, it would be equivalent to the previous example. Not because the offenses are equally offensive, but because in the private realm the owner's rules are law.
If Eidos payed gamespot (in money or goods/services) and got a reviewer fired: Okay? Yay? Free market working. Yeah, it sucks for the guy/girl, but gamespot is a business. When it sees an opportunity to make/take money, it will.
Chill the hell out people. It is NOT a big deal. Cry more. It's the way of the world, and it's not bad.
Probably the most stupid reply i read so far.
Do you realize what you just wrote? The consequences of it?
If gamecompanies wont "accept" a review and "blackmail" the different websites by redrawing their ads its a truly "bought" website that will only work as another advertisment site for the rich gamecompanies and what you read in their reviews will be just about the same as any gloryfying advertisment made by the developing company themself. There will be no "fair" reviews anymore. When you try to get a neutral point of view on a game it will all be bought information from rich gamecompanies that wont accept negative information on their product.
Calling this not bad is just above me. Its nothing but bad.
What you need to find is an independent reviewer then. When game companies start attacking independent news and reviewing agencies then start worrying.
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ROFLMAO on this one. Your analogy wont work because as you just said you work for the hilton the costumer has no say so. Now if a board of members of the hilton chain says to fire you it will happen best believe dat haha. your so funny keep going please.
It will work as I have a realistic idea of how much revenue Diamond VIP members generate for Hilton Hotels Corporation per year and you don't. Suffice it to say it is more than the hundred of thousands Eidos was paying Gamespot.
But hey, you just want to argue and not actually listen to ideas from other people who have experience in aspects of life you don't. As proven with your back and forth with Stradden, you just want the "last word". Anything anyone says that doesn't agree with your view you disregard. So, there really is no point in continuing a conversation with you. Best of luck in whatever you do. You'll need it.
(taking bets now that he has to have one more reply to this to have the last word)
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Can we please go back on topic?
This is not the General Discussion / Off Topic forums.
I dont want the last word. That seems to be you guys. Stradden and me didnt go back and forth he said what he had to say i said what i had to say and we both took what we both said for what it was worth. People like you keep this sherade going and i am happy to keep it going. i have nothing better to do. Eidos prolly has more to do with gamespot then what people are making it out to be or else it would be just like everyone is saying. Gamespot reviews and previews games. They want to do review every game in the line up. If Eidos is going to take there business away from them or fix it they are going to fix it. Just like with hilton honors diamond vip. If some employee is treating there diamond vip they are going axe that employee. the consumer has no say in this. i dont know why you guys keep trying to put some holy grail on consomers. Gamespot is still running fine. people are still visiting the site and people still love there reviews. just because they lost 20 people because they fired someone means ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to them just like with anything. your getting away from the facts and i keep dishing them out.
All said and done, none of this makes the blindest bit of difference to me regarding wthether I will buy this game.
I never rely on one review anyway - and find that in aggregate the broad picture emerging from multiple reviewers is not too bad.
I tend to find that games in the 90s in metacritic are genuinely better than games in the 70s... shenanigans notwithstanding. If a review site is stupid enough to score according to ad dollars received, it won't be long til it loses credibility and clicks.. and therefore more advertising dollars in the long run.
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Well if he was the best review in the industry he would of known what not to do and would of chose a more tact-ful way to roast this game
Well if he was the best review in the industry he would of known what not to do and would of chose a more tact-ful way to roast this game
Please stop making excuses for EIDOS. They cried foul to gamespot because EIDOS had a major ad campaign going for said game when his review was unleashed. EIDOS got very upset and called for someone's head. I've played the game in question and I can honestly say that Jeff was tactful. That was one of the absolute worst video games ever! EIDOS needs to watch what games they decide to market so stuff like this doesn't happen. If anyone is to blame, it is the EIDOS staff members that agreed to sign a marketing deal for the game. It just goes to show you that EIDOS will market and distribute garbage if the price is right.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Apparently another one of GS staff has left. There is an article about this today I just read and mentions that situation the site has been in since the story mentioned in this thread.
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It is a different animal for sure, as many publishers have shown an inability to understand over time with some products. Its not that they are uncapable, but the console format of publishing is not a model that works for MMO's and is often overlooked.
Console is a Fire and Forget launch, while an MMO needs care and a marketing plan that extends long after a 30 day launch period.
Like I said, I may have missed which MMO Eidos has supported in Europe, so I was curious if you had some information on that.
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Eidos didnt do anything wrong. Why are you blaming them. The didnt fire anybody. GS did. GS is to blame Eidos just said do this or im out. If GS had it in them they would of said bye bye but they chose not to not eidos fault at all which i dont understand why people are only blaming them and forgetting about GS.
Eidos didnt do anything wrong. Why are you blaming them. The didnt fire anybody. GS did. GS is to blame Eidos just said do this or im out. If GS had it in them they would of said bye bye but they chose not to not eidos fault at all which i dont understand why people are only blaming them and forgetting about GS.
Calling for someone's head isn't wrong? I guess six people of gamespot leaving means EIDOS did nothing wrong. If it wasn't for EIDOS calling for someone's head, then this saga wouldn't have happened. You are right, two companies are to blame, EIDOS and Gamespot. Both were wrong. Sorry Funcom, you picked the wrong publisher.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Well if he was the best review in the industry he would of known what not to do and would of chose a more tact-ful way to roast this game
Are you a EIDOS employee??
All you have written so far is Eidos defence speaches. Eidos were caught with there hands in the cockey jar. There credibility is all time low and i will never buy a Eidos game in future and i totally sympatize with the poor guy that were sacked cause a greedy company as Eidos couldnt accept his opinions on their game.
Also removed gamespot from "my favourites" and will never log in to that site again.
This thread is gradually drifting off into hilarity.
Yes, EIDOS was wrong to do what they did.
Yes, Gamespot was wrong to give in to the demand.
No, it won't keep me from buying future EIDOS products. Why? call me a cynical bastard and ignorant if you want (and I'm betting I'll get responses to that effect), but I really, really can't be bothered to care about this issue.
Now before all of you begin to flame me, you might want to take a second to look at yourself and the products you purchased and use every day. Are you using Windows? Have we not all heard the stories of how Microsoft used unethical business practices to gain dominance and keep their position in the Software market? Just one example. If you refuse to buy a product from any company that uses "cheap shots" like this, then you'd certainly be in quite a predicament, and I'm only talking about things that actually came to the surface, never mind the backstabbing that is most likely going on in ANY big company.
Flame me if you will, but this issue is so small on a corporate scale that I really can't see why it should hinder me from buying products in the future. Sure, scream for world-betterment if you will, but as I said, I'm a cynical bastard and it's not like EIDOS was caught in truly unethical business that would have my hair standing on end. They pressed for the firing of a reviewer on a gaming-site.
The views above are my own and I do not want to convince anyone of them.
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Limited dealings with AoC my a$$! They are marketing, publishing, and distributing this game. EIDOS makes money putting paid advertising IN GAME. Don't sit here patronizing people. When AoC ends up with item mall and/or in-game advertising, that was directed by EIDOS for more money milking you can look back on your conversation in this thread as to why people shouldn't buy any games with the EIDOS logo on it.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Okay, this shit needs to be fixed. It IS censorship, yes. But it's a private company. Just because your government's laws may give you freedom of speech/expression/what-have-you in the public realm, does NOT mean that a company has to let you say whatever you want in their domain.
If I were on this forum being extremely negative and racist, I'd get banned, and IP blocked probably. That's censorship. If I were talking about bunnies and flowers and got banned and IP blocked, it would be equivalent to the previous example. Not because the offenses are equally offensive, but because in the private realm the owner's rules are law.
If Eidos payed gamespot (in money or goods/services) and got a reviewer fired: Okay? Yay? Free market working. Yeah, it sucks for the guy/girl, but gamespot is a business. When it sees an opportunity to make/take money, it will.
Chill the hell out people. It is NOT a big deal. Cry more. It's the way of the world, and it's not bad.
And likewise is shouldn't be a big deal to report this censorship and allow others to make a choice based on that.
This is a case where he who cries "take a chill pill" may actually need to take a chill pill.
I hope you really don't mean this. Also, I hope that Gamespot isn't in a right-to-work state. I hope EIDOS and Gamespot get sued over this for tens of millions of dollars. Sure, it isn't right, but like you said, it is the way of the world.
Karma is swift. I hope it bites you in kind to your comments above.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Eidos didnt do anything wrong. Why are you blaming them. The didnt fire anybody. GS did. GS is to blame Eidos just said do this or im out. If GS had it in them they would of said bye bye but they chose not to not eidos fault at all which i dont understand why people are only blaming them and forgetting about GS.
Calling for someone's head isn't wrong? I guess six people of gamespot leaving means EIDOS did nothing wrong. If it wasn't for EIDOS calling for someone's head, then this saga wouldn't have happened. You are right, two companies are to blame, EIDOS and Gamespot. Both were wrong. Sorry Funcom, you picked the wrong publisher.
No like i have been saying. Just because GS is losing employees Eidos isn't there still live and kicking and far as i know so is GS. just because you lose some senoir guys just means you can hire new ones and pay them less. All works out how the world turns. GS has a TV Spot they have to fund and little clickies of ads on the site is nothing compared to the fund they need to keep there TV station running. So bye bye people who cry because you dont know how to review a game on a TV spot for the people who fund your pay check.
Game industry is already a joke. Only bad games come out cause of money killing creativity. This is a sad new for he gaming world, for AoC but most of all, for us gamers. I hate busness. Now AoC can say byebye to my suscribtion. And I'm going to change my ype lvl from 10 to 1.
Damn you Eidos. We will censorship you games.
And what GS did is not even the tip of the iceburg of what companies do to there employee's. Look at Wal-mart. I bet you still go and shop at walmart but your not going to buy another eidos game because of this? Come on get over it people. Unless Jeff or any of the 6 are your home bois. You don't care really when it comes down to it. You just want a reason to rant and rave about how injust it is. But wont take a look at other things that are injust in this world. Get over it people.
You know what is funny is people still bring this up. Even after Jeff said that his fireing was not because of the bad review of the game. It was due to a combination of issues that had arised over the last few years and the fact that he felt working at GameSpot was shifting to be a negative view and wasnt what it was before the new management took over.
Needless to say Jeff is doing about 100x better now along with the GameSpot staff that has quit and moved over to working at there newly created company www.giantbomb.com Now they own there own website and company so the only people to call the shoots are themselfs. This was originaly how GameSpot started out and over the years as it became a commercial player in game reviews the company had started shifting to a more business modulated setup.
Needless to say his firing was all around just plain bad timing, seeing as how he had just did a review on a game that scored low in it scoreing (needless to say its worth pointing out said game got low reviews by just about every reviewing website out there.)
So putting all the blame on anyone is just plain dumb. The business side of GameSpot felt that said reviewer was no longer preforming to there standards so they fired him.
If you deicde to not play a game based on circumstaincal information from third partys and not from the man himself then its better for the game. You can read said reviewers blog yourself at http://blog.jeffgerstmann.net/ and then watch his G4 interviews and you get the full picture of what happened and that it wasnt Eidos's fault or really anyones for that matter.
At the end of the day, it probably won't stop most people from buying the game. Many companies that make these games have done things in their past that involve horrid service or bad business practices. Does it bother me about what happened with Eidos? Sure. It probably won't stop me from buying the game.
Look at Sony. Sony got caught years ago in the act of creating journalists that didn't exist to give certain movies good reviews in order to see them, plus their legendary customer service and complete SWG debacle for which they even apologized for.
The we have EA who has bought Mythic who is making WAR. I bought C&C3 and was completely floored with how piss poor they were to react to the wide spread cheating and exploits of the games ladder. It took them literally months to implement patches to remove crash bugs they wouldn't count as a loss, and exploits that rendered your units unkillable. Mind you while this was going on, they were boasting themselves to be in the World Cyber Games with ladder ranking full of exploiters. One time the servers went down on the weekend and stayed down for days, their excuse was something along the lines of ..."We didn't know they were down because it was the weekend". We won't even talk about how they destroyed DAOC with ToA.
Fact of the matter is most us still probably own Sony products in our houses, or played an EA sports game or "Battlefield" regardless of whatever past negativity the companies have been responsible for. The memory span of the consumer isn't that long. When your sitting there faced with the option to be bored or buy a quality game (when it actually comes along) by a company who has done stupid thing, most people will STFU and buy the game quietly.
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Probably the most stupid reply i read so far.
Do you realize what you just wrote? The consequences of it?
If gamecompanies wont "accept" a review and "blackmail" the different websites by redrawing their ads its a truly "bought" website that will only work as another advertisment site for the rich gamecompanies and what you read in their reviews will be just about the same as any gloryfying advertisment made by the developing company themself. There will be no "fair" reviews anymore. When you try to get a neutral point of view on a game it will all be bought information from rich gamecompanies that wont accept negative information on their product.
Calling this not bad is just above me. Its nothing but bad.
What you need to find is an independent reviewer then. When game companies start attacking independent news and reviewing agencies then start worrying.