Wow someones really got a stick up their <explicit>. Me, I really don't care one way or the other. As long as I understand what the person is trying to say. Though, I do admit I have a low tolerance for "leet speak". I do find people that say rouge instead of rogue annoying though.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
I dont care how much people hate it, I use that type of speech all the time in MMO's. It is quick, easy, and more conenient to use. At least I, and many other people too, do not simply forget true grammer. Is it really that wrong to make things easier?, for the sake of nothing but conienience.
Easier for whom? You, or the poor sap trying to make sense of whatever it is you're on about?
Case in point, what the heck is "conenient" and "conienience"?
IV It's "would have" not "would of". What the heck does "would of" mean anyway?
But, as my detractors have asserted, it is permissible to use lazy language in anonymous forum posts. Why is that? When did it become the societal norm to decide that using correct English is just too much of an effort? (I am not speaking of people who speak English as a 2nd or 3rd language.) I point the finger of blame at word processing spell checkers. With their advent it no longer mattered if you could type or spell correctly, so people tended not to put much effort in learning how to do it.
Hedonismbot: Your latest performance was as delectable as dipping my bottom over and over into a bath of the silkiest oils and creams.
Why does it bug you, obviously YOU know the meanings and in regards to each individual's sentance, you know what they're reffering to dont you? just because someone doesnt know the difference doesnt change the meaning of their sentance am i right? maybe they just dont know the difference
This thread may change that but it wont change the ammount of people that make this common mistake =p it's a shame really that little things like this put you to a point where you "cant stand" something
----------------------------- IVE PLAYED WOW AND LIKED IT SO IM A FANBOI PLZ FLAME MY THREADS CUZ I MIGHT MENTION WOW
I'm still waiting for someone to give me my possessives. Skooma2?
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Originally posted by Skooma2 I. Your vs you're your = belonging to you you're= contraction for "you are" ( and is different from "your") These words are not interchangeable. II. There vs they're vs their There = a different place from the one you currently occupy They're= contraction for "they are" Their= belonging to them These words are not interchangeable.
I despise illiteracy or intellectual laziness. Get it right before your high school English teachers slap your parents. It takes less than one minute to proofread (you internet generation dancing monkeys might have to look that one up) a post. I'm not talking about typos here ... I'm talking about selecting the correct word in the first place. And, please, do not give me that "you know what I mean" crap. You can point to your mouth and rub your stomach and I know you are hungry ... But it's still not English.
Illiteracy or intelectual laziness?
How about this, I despise people who play grammar police in posts because they dont have an original thought to add to the conversation.
Just because someone may use the right word or type it the perfect way doesnt mean their idea is anymore interesting or enlightening.
I dont need eyes to understand someone that is speaking to me. For the most of us, we hear what is being said.
And when I read I hear in my mind what Im reading? Dont you? <--By the way IM ASKING. So, all the "theyres/theirs/wherevers" all SOUND the same to me. To get hungup on that small detail is truely trivial to me.
Looking out of the box, I beleive this is more than just a grammar issue. Although being the academic type thinker that I beleive you to be, I beleive you would disagree.
I despise illiteracy or intellectual laziness. Get it right before your high school English teachers slap your parents.
Most high school English teachers I know teach English grammar badly, Skooma2.
For example, give me the possessive forms of the following nouns:
Woman's
Women's
Chris'
Socrates'
Fonz'
James'
Jesus'
Hobbes'
Its
Theirs
Brother's
Brothers'
To date, no high school English teacher I have met can use the apostrophe correctly in all the above cases.
Eh?
Is he right Skooma2?
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
The only part of that list that made me stop and think was the name: Fonz. I recall a "general" rule for nouns ending with a "z" to omit the "s" but I don't recall anything iron clad saying it was THE way to do things. Been awhile sense high school english so i could be wrong on that one.
EDIT: " 's " should have just been the "s" following the apostrophe. Thought I would change for clarity.
Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work done. Linus Torvalds
It's not laziness, it's just plain rudeness. Even if it's not your first language, you can still use interpunction to make your posts readable. I see it more and more in forums and chatrooms that people just dump garbage onto their keyboard and hit the button. The newest trend is to simply ignore all rules of interpunction and just brabble countless words and acronyms in 400 word mega-sentences.
A well structured post is easier to read, easier to understand and makes me want to read more. A huge wall of text without any structure makes me want to vomit.
If you ask me, it's a problem that's widespread, and makes reading forums a pain. English forums are even more civilized at parts, although the widespread chatspeak ("i c u 2" or whatever) is pretty painful to read. I've worked as a moderator on several german forums and even chatrooms, and i can tell you it gets worse every year.
I've seen enough people of my age starting to speak like they write, and vice versa.
Whenever my faith in humanity has recovered too much, i just visit one or two popular german chat communities, and i'm cured. *scnr*
The only part of that list that made me stop and think was the name: Fonz. I recall a "general" rule for nouns ending with a "z" to omit the "s" but I don't recall anything iron clad saying it was THE way to do things. Been awhile sense high school english so i could be wrong on that one. EDIT: " 's " should have just been the "s" following the apostrophe. Thought I would change for clarity.
What you describe is a rule of possessives in specific instances, guiltyone. I also applaud kaydinv for accepting my challenge.
I’d give you the answers, but I’m not the one who is offended by bad grammar and usage. Let the person who brought this infernal thread into the world give us the answer. I bet you that he doesn’t know grammar as well as he thinks he does.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Originally posted by batolemaeus Illiteracy or intelectual laziness?
It's not laziness, it's just plain rudeness. Even if it's not your first language, you can still use interpunction to make your posts readable. I see it more and more in forums and chatrooms that people just dump garbage onto their keyboard and hit the button. The newest trend is to simply ignore all rules of interpunction and just brabble countless words and acronyms in 400 word mega-sentences.
A well structured post is easier to read, easier to understand and makes me want to read more. A huge wall of text without any structure makes me want to vomit.
If you ask me, it's a problem that's widespread, and makes reading forums a pain. English forums are even more civilized at parts, although the widespread chatspeak ("i c u 2" or whatever) is pretty painful to read. I've worked as a moderator on several german forums and even chatrooms, and i can tell you it gets worse every year.
I've seen enough people of my age starting to speak like they write, and vice versa.
Whenever my faith in humanity has recovered too much, i just visit one or two popular german chat communities, and i'm cured. *scnr*
I. Your vs you're your = belonging to you you're= contraction for "you are" ( and is different from "your") These words are not interchangeable. II. There vs they're vs their There = a different place from the one you currently occupy They're= contraction for "they are" Their= belonging to them These words are not interchangeable.
I despise illiteracy or intellectual laziness. Get it right before your high school English teachers slap your parents. It takes less than one minute to proofread (you internet generation dancing monkeys might have to look that one up) a post. I'm not talking about typos here ... I'm talking about selecting the correct word in the first place. And, please, do not give me that "you know what I mean" crap. You can point to your mouth and rub your stomach and I know you are hungry ... But it's still not English.
Would you attack them about their dire grammar too?
"If all you can say is... "It's awful, it's not innovative, it's ugly, it's blah.." Then you're an unimaginative and unpolished excuse for human life" -eburn
Even if it's not your first language, you can still use interpunction to make your posts readable.
I see it more and more in forums and chatrooms that people just dump garbage onto their keyboard and hit the button. The newest trend is to simply ignore all rules of interpunction and just brabble countless words and acronyms in 400 word mega-sentences.
A well structured post is easier to read, easier to understand and makes me want to read more. A huge wall of text without any structure makes me want to vomit.
If you ask me, it's a problem that's widespread, and makes reading forums a pain. English forums are even more civilized at parts, although the widespread chatspeak ("i c u 2" or whatever) is pretty painful to read. I've worked as a moderator on several german forums and even chatrooms, and i can tell you it gets worse every year.
I've seen enough people of my age starting to speak like they write, and vice versa.
Whenever my faith in humanity has recovered too much, i just visit one or two popular german chat communities, and i'm cured. *scnr*
Oh my god, you didnt capitalize your I.
You are rude and that made your post UNREADABLE.
/sarcasm off <--Oh snap. Do you understand?
I don't know if it was in 07 or 06, but I remember. Reading a case study that pointed to parallels between people that correct others, and those that have superiority complexes. After continuing to read the post in this thread. I don't think the college students that did the researching, were too far off.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
Some people care, Some people don't. What it boils down to is that the people who care are going to spend a lot of time crying. nothing else. (oh and the people who don't care seem to care that the other do care.... so they cry too :P
I despise illiteracy or intellectual laziness. Get it right before your high school English teachers slap your parents.
Most high school English teachers I know teach English grammar badly, Skooma2. For example, give me the possessive forms of the following nouns: Woman's Womens' Chris's Socrates's Fonz's James's Jesus's Hobbes's Its Theirs Brother's Brothers' To date, no high school English teacher I have met can use the apostrophe correctly in all the above cases.
Its really about one group of people getting another group of people to conform to the first groups set of standards. Maybe it doesn't really matter if somebody uses correct grammer. Maybe I'm not intellegent enough to know correct grammer but you should be intellegent enough to figure it out. Everybody is not
perfect. Expecting people to know the entire set of grammatical rules is like expecting somebody to know
everything there is to know about physics, chemistry, and assembly language.
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Wow someones really got a stick up their <explicit>. Me, I really don't care one way or the other. As long as I understand what the person is trying to say. Though, I do admit I have a low tolerance for "leet speak". I do find people that say rouge instead of rogue annoying though.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Easier for whom? You, or the poor sap trying to make sense of whatever it is you're on about?
Case in point, what the heck is "conenient" and "conienience"?
and the lesson continues:
IV It's "would have" not "would of". What the heck does "would of" mean anyway?
But, as my detractors have asserted, it is permissible to use lazy language in anonymous forum posts. Why is that? When did it become the societal norm to decide that using correct English is just too much of an effort? (I am not speaking of people who speak English as a 2nd or 3rd language.) I point the finger of blame at word processing spell checkers. With their advent it no longer mattered if you could type or spell correctly, so people tended not to put much effort in learning how to do it.
Hedonismbot: Your latest performance was as delectable as dipping my bottom over and over into a bath of the silkiest oils and creams.
Why does it bug you, obviously YOU know the meanings and in regards to each individual's sentance, you know what they're reffering to dont you? just because someone doesnt know the difference doesnt change the meaning of their sentance am i right? maybe they just dont know the difference
This thread may change that but it wont change the ammount of people that make this common mistake =p it's a shame really that little things like this put you to a point where you "cant stand" something
-----------------------------
IVE PLAYED WOW AND LIKED IT SO IM A FANBOI PLZ FLAME MY THREADS CUZ I MIGHT MENTION WOW
I'm still waiting for someone to give me my possessives. Skooma2?
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
for the guy that first made this post: wtf?
Playing:WoW,Guild Wars
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Used to play: Vanguard, Anarchy Online (got to lvl 6 and quit
Waiting for: Warhammer, Aion
your and you're are the only two that piss me off.
(\ /) ?
( . .)
c('')('')
Illiteracy or intelectual laziness?
How about this, I despise people who play grammar police in posts because they dont have an original thought to add to the conversation.
Just because someone may use the right word or type it the perfect way doesnt mean their idea is anymore interesting or enlightening.
I dont need eyes to understand someone that is speaking to me.
For the most of us, we hear what is being said.
And when I read I hear in my mind what Im reading? Dont you? <--By the way IM ASKING.
So, all the "theyres/theirs/wherevers" all SOUND the same to me. To get hungup on that small detail is truely trivial to me.
Looking out of the box, I beleive this is more than just a grammar issue.
Although being the academic type thinker that I beleive you to be, I beleive you would disagree.
Heres an interesting link.
http://files.filefront.com/academic+creative+brainjpg/;11334635;/fileinfo.html
Good day.
I SAID GOOD DAY !!
/fez off
Most high school English teachers I know teach English grammar badly, Skooma2.
For example, give me the possessive forms of the following nouns:
Woman's
Women's
Chris'
Socrates'
Fonz'
James'
Jesus'
Hobbes'
Its
Theirs
Brother's
Brothers'
To date, no high school English teacher I have met can use the apostrophe correctly in all the above cases.
Eh?
_________________________________
"Fixed it. Because that wall of text attacked me, killed me and looted my body..."
-George "sniperg" Light
Most high school English teachers I know teach English grammar badly, Skooma2.
For example, give me the possessive forms of the following nouns:
Woman's
Women's
Chris'
Socrates'
Fonz'
James'
Jesus'
Hobbes'
Its
Theirs
Brother's
Brothers'
To date, no high school English teacher I have met can use the apostrophe correctly in all the above cases.
Eh?
Is he right Skooma2?
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
this is the internet and not a english test so tbh text speak will do + not everyone here is from a native english speaking country.
----------------------------------------
Talking about SWG much?
The only part of that list that made me stop and think was the name: Fonz. I recall a "general" rule for nouns ending with a "z" to omit the "s" but I don't recall anything iron clad saying it was THE way to do things. Been awhile sense high school english so i could be wrong on that one.
EDIT: " 's " should have just been the "s" following the apostrophe. Thought I would change for clarity.
Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work done.
Linus Torvalds
It's not laziness, it's just plain rudeness.
Even if it's not your first language, you can still use interpunction to make your posts readable.
I see it more and more in forums and chatrooms that people just dump garbage onto their keyboard and hit the button. The newest trend is to simply ignore all rules of interpunction and just brabble countless words and acronyms in 400 word mega-sentences.
A well structured post is easier to read, easier to understand and makes me want to read more. A huge wall of text without any structure makes me want to vomit.
If you ask me, it's a problem that's widespread, and makes reading forums a pain. English forums are even more civilized at parts, although the widespread chatspeak ("i c u 2" or whatever) is pretty painful to read. I've worked as a moderator on several german forums and even chatrooms, and i can tell you it gets worse every year.
I've seen enough people of my age starting to speak like they write, and vice versa.
Whenever my faith in humanity has recovered too much, i just visit one or two popular german chat communities, and i'm cured. *scnr*
you forgot
THEN and THAN!
What you describe is a rule of possessives in specific instances, guiltyone. I also applaud kaydinv for accepting my challenge.
I’d give you the answers, but I’m not the one who is offended by bad grammar and usage. Let the person who brought this infernal thread into the world give us the answer. I bet you that he doesn’t know grammar as well as he thinks he does.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
It's not laziness, it's just plain rudeness.
Even if it's not your first language, you can still use interpunction to make your posts readable.
I see it more and more in forums and chatrooms that people just dump garbage onto their keyboard and hit the button. The newest trend is to simply ignore all rules of interpunction and just brabble countless words and acronyms in 400 word mega-sentences.
A well structured post is easier to read, easier to understand and makes me want to read more. A huge wall of text without any structure makes me want to vomit.
If you ask me, it's a problem that's widespread, and makes reading forums a pain. English forums are even more civilized at parts, although the widespread chatspeak ("i c u 2" or whatever) is pretty painful to read. I've worked as a moderator on several german forums and even chatrooms, and i can tell you it gets worse every year.
I've seen enough people of my age starting to speak like they write, and vice versa.
Whenever my faith in humanity has recovered too much, i just visit one or two popular german chat communities, and i'm cured. *scnr*
Oh my god, you didnt capitalize your I.
You are rude and that made your post UNREADABLE.
/sarcasm off <--Oh snap. Do you understand?
awl ur bays r beelong two uz
Guild Wars 2 is my religion
We have a Grammarian
What about those who are Dyslexic?
Would you attack them about their dire grammar too?
"If all you can say is... "It's awful, it's not innovative, it's ugly, it's blah.." Then you're an unimaginative and unpolished excuse for human life" -eburn
It's not laziness, it's just plain rudeness.
Even if it's not your first language, you can still use interpunction to make your posts readable.
I see it more and more in forums and chatrooms that people just dump garbage onto their keyboard and hit the button. The newest trend is to simply ignore all rules of interpunction and just brabble countless words and acronyms in 400 word mega-sentences.
A well structured post is easier to read, easier to understand and makes me want to read more. A huge wall of text without any structure makes me want to vomit.
If you ask me, it's a problem that's widespread, and makes reading forums a pain. English forums are even more civilized at parts, although the widespread chatspeak ("i c u 2" or whatever) is pretty painful to read. I've worked as a moderator on several german forums and even chatrooms, and i can tell you it gets worse every year.
I've seen enough people of my age starting to speak like they write, and vice versa.
Whenever my faith in humanity has recovered too much, i just visit one or two popular german chat communities, and i'm cured. *scnr*
Oh my god, you didnt capitalize your I.
You are rude and that made your post UNREADABLE.
/sarcasm off <--Oh snap. Do you understand?
I don't know if it was in 07 or 06, but I remember. Reading a case study that pointed to parallels between people that correct others, and those that have superiority complexes. After continuing to read the post in this thread. I don't think the college students that did the researching, were too far off.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Some people care, Some people don't. What it boils down to is that the people who care are going to spend a lot of time crying. nothing else. (oh and the people who don't care seem to care that the other do care.... so they cry too
:P
That's what it be like.
.ton epoh erus I
Its really about one group of people getting another group of people to conform to the first groups set of standards. Maybe it doesn't really matter if somebody uses correct grammer. Maybe I'm not intellegent enough to know correct grammer but you should be intellegent enough to figure it out. Everybody is not
perfect. Expecting people to know the entire set of grammatical rules is like expecting somebody to know
everything there is to know about physics, chemistry, and assembly language.