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I play a girl toon and take advantage of other guys. Unethical?

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  • alakramalakram Member UncommonPosts: 2,301

    I made this long time ago. At the start it was fun and easy to get stuff, but I stoped doing it when people started to flirt with me. I couldn't do it anymore.



  • SaevelSaevel Member UncommonPosts: 102

    Is it unethical? Of course..

    Do I blame you? Nah..

  • KurushKurush Member Posts: 1,303
    Originally posted by damond5031


    Like the topic says I play a girl toon in the mmo's I play,and , i;m a guy. I know i;m not the only one that does this, but the level I take it to makes me wonder if I need to have my head examined.
    You see not only do I present the persona of a female player in cyberspace but I make my companions believe that im also a chick in the "real" world. I have stories that begin with my childhood all the way to the present; complete with fake parents, schools, jobs ect.  I even email photos of women I find online to make things even more believable. "None of those model photos for me, those aren't believable at all...I take them from other folks family galleries.
    Now you might ask...why. would you do such a thing?  The simple answer,  is greed. I hook lonely men into falling in love with me online so that they will buy me great items in game. Heck I even let them use my account to level me while im at work. I just do the fun things while im online..no grinding for me..my "boyfriends" do it for me.
    So I guess im wondering if i'm alone in these twisted endeavors; and is it really all that unethical that I do this? These guys think they are talking to a cute girl and derive great pleasure from doing so. Heck I even throw in a little dirty talk every once in a while.

    Caution: This post may cause aggro in posters who take it too seriously.  Please consult your doctor before reading.

    You may take some perverse delight in conning people, or you might simply be doing this because it's the easier path in the games you play, but I doubt either one is true from your post.  The methods you describe are far too elaborate, and furthermore, if it was really about simple greed or taking the expeditious path in a MMORPG, you wouldn't be writing this or asking a question which has no purpose but to mask what you actually want to ask.

    So in response to your real, unstated question, yes.  You have a repressed desire to either be the kind of woman you pretend to be or have one in your life.  I see a strap-on in your life sometime in the next few years.

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by Kurush

    Originally posted by damond5031


    Like the topic says I play a girl toon in the mmo's I play,and , i;m a guy. I know i;m not the only one that does this, but the level I take it to makes me wonder if I need to have my head examined.
    You see not only do I present the persona of a female player in cyberspace but I make my companions believe that im also a chick in the "real" world. I have stories that begin with my childhood all the way to the present; complete with fake parents, schools, jobs ect.  I even email photos of women I find online to make things even more believable. "None of those model photos for me, those aren't believable at all...I take them from other folks family galleries.
    Now you might ask...why. would you do such a thing?  The simple answer,  is greed. I hook lonely men into falling in love with me online so that they will buy me great items in game. Heck I even let them use my account to level me while im at work. I just do the fun things while im online..no grinding for me..my "boyfriends" do it for me.
    So I guess im wondering if i'm alone in these twisted endeavors; and is it really all that unethical that I do this? These guys think they are talking to a cute girl and derive great pleasure from doing so. Heck I even throw in a little dirty talk every once in a while.

    Caution: This post may cause aggro in posters who take it too seriously.  Please consult your doctor before reading.

    You may take some perverse delight in conning people, or you might simply be doing this because it's the easier path in the games you play, but I doubt either one is true from your post.  The methods you describe are far too elaborate, and furthermore, if it was really about simple greed or taking the expeditious path in a MMORPG, you wouldn't be writing this or asking a question which has no purpose but to mask what you actually want to ask.

    So in response to your real, unstated question, yes.  You have a repressed desire to either be the kind of woman you pretend to be or have one in your life.  I see a strap-on in your life sometime in the next few years.

    That was both biting and insulting, I love it.

     

  • Timberwolf0Timberwolf0 Member Posts: 424

    It just means you are probably a bit confused about your gender identity. I think its deceptive and pathetic at the same time.

  • TheHavokTheHavok Member UncommonPosts: 2,423
    Originally posted by damond5031


    Like the topic says I play a girl toon in the mmo's I play,and , i;m a guy. I know i;m not the only one that does this, but the level I take it to makes me wonder if I need to have my head examined.
    You see not only do I present the persona of a female player in cyberspace but I make my companions believe that im also a chick in the "real" world. I have stories that begin with my childhood all the way to the present; complete with fake parents, schools, jobs ect.  I even email photos of women I find online to make things even more believable. "None of those model photos for me, those aren't believable at all...I take them from other folks family galleries.
    Now you might ask...why. would you do such a thing?  The simple answer,  is greed. I hook lonely men into falling in love with me online so that they will buy me great items in game. Heck I even let them use my account to level me while im at work. I just do the fun things while im online..no grinding for me..my "boyfriends" do it for me.
    So I guess im wondering if i'm alone in these twisted endeavors; and is it really all that unethical that I do this? These guys think they are talking to a cute girl and derive great pleasure from doing so. Heck I even throw in a little dirty talk every once in a while.

    Thats awesome.  I leveled a female pally in WoW and never pretended to be a girl, but people DID assume i was and treated me more kindly (unless they were saying i had nice tits or an ass...wtf pixels??).  Some dude even helped me do the majority of my pally mount quest because he thought he was helping a noobie girl.  LOL whatever its there fault not mine.

    My friend DID roll a female shaman once on my account just to see what he could get if he acted like a girl.  He talked to some guy in the starting area for like an hour while only getting to level 8, and the dude straight up logged onto his main and gave 60gold to us just for throwing in a bunches of hehes and :P. Never logged onto that shaman again.

    If your taking advantage of people based on sex alone, then it's their fault for falling for it.  You must play with some lonely, lonely people.

  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105

    I think it's partly MMO who showed how much benefits girls recieve in RL from guys and how much nicer they are treated compared to guys.

    So much so that when given the choice guys will choose to play girls, not because of some twisted fantasy, but because it's far easier to get benefits and attention.

     

    And if guys find out how much benefits girls recieve and translate this to RL, it's only normal some guys want to be girls. This has nothing to do with sexuality. It's just all this free attention and benefits they are not used to getting.

  • rashherorashhero Member UncommonPosts: 510

    Firstly, what I find unethical are the number of you who jump on this guy, calling him pathetic or claiming that he is some closet case just because he chooses to play a game a certain way, a way which I assume you've been victim to.

     

    I myself have done what the OP has. Roll a female toon, roleplay as one and not telling a guy who believes me to be female in RL my real gender. Be it out of greed or roleplay, it's really upto him how he decides to play his characters. By you people saying he is disgusting, needs a life and have deep issues, are just saying that you want him to play the game YOUR way and to stop taking advantage of YOU.

     

    So no, I don't see anything unethical about his behavior. He benefits only in game for what he does and it's just that, a game.

  • BigdavoBigdavo Member UncommonPosts: 1,863
    Originally posted by Waterlily


    I think it's partly MMO who showed how much benefits girls recieve in RL from guys and how much nicer they are treated compared to guys.
    So much so that when given the choice guys will choose to play girls, not because of some twisted fantasy, but because it's far easier to get benefits and attention.
     
    And if guys find out how much benefits girls recieve and translate this to RL, it's only normal some guys want to be girls. This has nothing to do with sexuality. It's just all this free attention and benefits they are not used to getting.



     

    Yep, QFT right there.

    OP I wouldn't listen to all the imbeciles trying to psychoanalyse you into some sort of twisted, dual-personality, closest homosexual.

    What you are doing is kind of unethical yet at the same time the losers that fall for it I do not feel sorry for, IMO as long as you are enjoying the style in which you play your MMOs theres nothing really wrong with it, just make sure your virtual life doesn't pervade into your real life.

    O_o o_O

  • CaldicotCaldicot Member UncommonPosts: 455

    So basically you are roleplaying a girl who acts like girls IRL are doing. I can't see anything wrong with that.

    If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. - Carl Sagan

  • AmalaricAmalaric Member Posts: 480
    Originally posted by damond5031


    Like the topic says I play a girl toon in the mmo's I play,and , i;m a guy. I know i;m not the only one that does this, but the level I take it to makes me wonder if I need to have my head examined.
    You see not only do I present the persona of a female player in cyberspace but I make my companions believe that im also a chick in the "real" world. I have stories that begin with my childhood all the way to the present; complete with fake parents, schools, jobs ect.  I even email photos of women I find online to make things even more believable. "None of those model photos for me, those aren't believable at all...I take them from other folks family galleries.
    Now you might ask...why. would you do such a thing?  The simple answer,  is greed. I hook lonely men into falling in love with me online so that they will buy me great items in game. Heck I even let them use my account to level me while im at work. I just do the fun things while im online..no grinding for me..my "boyfriends" do it for me.
    So I guess im wondering if i'm alone in these twisted endeavors; and is it really all that unethical that I do this? These guys think they are talking to a cute girl and derive great pleasure from doing so. Heck I even throw in a little dirty talk every once in a while.

     

    You are doing the right thing, if people are so needy for some female interaction then they got what they deserved.

    Keep up the good work and remember... theres a sucker born each minute.

  • Larry2298Larry2298 Member Posts: 865

    In some MMOs, certain class only with female character and certain class only for male, especially in F2P so the server do not need to keep huge storage space to remember every free player. However, people knows that nearly 95% are male players because no other choice but they still feel awe about female players.I guess this is because the real life influence. 

    Some players play female character and pretended they are female but they talk even more aggressive than a normal male, I guess he expect handicap. No one will argue or need to prove his gender, but male taking advantages from being a female character sux.

     

  • AmalaricAmalaric Member Posts: 480
    Originally posted by JustBe


    I done that once I played a girl ALT in SWG back in the day because if guys think you're a girl they give you free stuff and discounts of goods, I got quite alot of stuff and used a voice changer program on TS so they actually believed me with some pictures of some model.
    Only game I ever done it in though.
     
    Oh yeh Female Twi'lek Dancer in the Cantina of Bestine on Bria :D

     

    This is just about your sig that I couldn't quote.

    I would just like to say that it's probably John Smedley who doesn't understand the online gaming market and not some third party IP holder.

  • KurushKurush Member Posts: 1,303
    Originally posted by Amalaric

    Originally posted by damond5031


    Like the topic says I play a girl toon in the mmo's I play,and , i;m a guy. I know i;m not the only one that does this, but the level I take it to makes me wonder if I need to have my head examined.
    You see not only do I present the persona of a female player in cyberspace but I make my companions believe that im also a chick in the "real" world. I have stories that begin with my childhood all the way to the present; complete with fake parents, schools, jobs ect.  I even email photos of women I find online to make things even more believable. "None of those model photos for me, those aren't believable at all...I take them from other folks family galleries.
    Now you might ask...why. would you do such a thing?  The simple answer,  is greed. I hook lonely men into falling in love with me online so that they will buy me great items in game. Heck I even let them use my account to level me while im at work. I just do the fun things while im online..no grinding for me..my "boyfriends" do it for me.
    So I guess im wondering if i'm alone in these twisted endeavors; and is it really all that unethical that I do this? These guys think they are talking to a cute girl and derive great pleasure from doing so. Heck I even throw in a little dirty talk every once in a while.

     

    You are doing the right thing, if people are so needy for some female interaction then they got what they deserved.

    Keep up the good work and remember... theres a sucker born each minute.

     

    Danger: forum aggro generation quotient exceeding recommended tolerance levels.  Please abort posting and execute aggro-dumping abilities.

    I would like to point out that the OP doesn't just play a female character and accept the goodwill thrown at him.  He has constructed an elaborate persona which he adopts while playing this character, one which has evolved over time to become more convincing to himself and others.  He even includes sexual remarks in his repartee.  Some people here still defend him, despite all of that, but this is entirely expected.

    As I predicted, the other closet fetishists at this forum have rallied to your aid, OP.  That was indeed what you secretly desired from this thread: acceptance and validation.  Do not worry or be sad about this new era in your life.  Soon, when you all realize your true nature and come together, donning your wives' pantyhose at secret meetings while calling each other pretty girls, my mean-spirited remarks will be but a distant memory.

  • Miner-2049erMiner-2049er Member Posts: 435

    This would appear to be one of those cautionary tales to remind us - once again - never to trust anyone we talk to on the internet until we have met them in person.

    I prefer to play on Role Play servers because then you can play a girl if you want to and most of the other players just except you as that without assuming you're a girl in real life or even wondering about it. If I meet a girl avatar in an MMO I always assume whilst playing that they are a girl, however, I never really concern myself with their real life persona. If I play a girl avatar I don't like people asking my real life gender, not because I want to fool them and pretend to be a girl, but I just don't want to break the characterisation. Still, at times I do have to tell players because I notice they are just trying too hard with the complements etc.

    Although the OP actions are rather deviant I don't have too much sympathy for the desperate losers that fall for it.  It's just not possible to protect idiots from their own idiocy all the time. Perhaps they'll learn a valuable lesson from this. Still, it clearly is pretty low and unlikely to help your application into heaven, if you're at all worried about such things.

     

  • froz3nfroz3n Member Posts: 8
    Originally posted by Bigdavo

    Originally posted by Waterlily


    I think it's partly MMO who showed how much benefits girls recieve in RL from guys and how much nicer they are treated compared to guys.
    So much so that when given the choice guys will choose to play girls, not because of some twisted fantasy, but because it's far easier to get benefits and attention.
     
    And if guys find out how much benefits girls recieve and translate this to RL, it's only normal some guys want to be girls. This has nothing to do with sexuality. It's just all this free attention and benefits they are not used to getting.



     

    Yep, QFT right there.

    OP I wouldn't listen to all the imbeciles trying to psychoanalyse you into some sort of twisted, dual-personality, closest homosexual.

    What you are doing is kind of unethical yet at the same time the losers that fall for it I do not feel sorry for, IMO as long as you are enjoying the style in which you play your MMOs theres nothing really wrong with it, just make sure your virtual life doesn't pervade into your real life.

     

    QFT

    Would it be ethical if you actually were female and just let the guy believe in something to give you that stuff? NO it would still suck. Those lonely poor men out there should be more careful because this happens alot. by both, real female and male. It's just one type of roleplaying style to con people. If they fall for it, it's their own fault. But what comes to voice mixing on vent and sending random images is imo taking it too far. that's totally out of game already(no matter if it would be real female). But everyone with their own style. not judging that either.

  • gillvane1gillvane1 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,503

    No big deal OP. It's not like you are alone.

    My rule of thumb is, everyone on the internet is a guy, unless I meet them in person. You can't go wrong with this rule.

    You have to consider that some guys that are your "boyfriends" online, know you're a guy pretending to be a girl, but don't care.

  • -aLpHa--aLpHa- Member UncommonPosts: 852

    Well you could say you spoil the weakness in the genetic of men. I find myself often in this situation, if a girl request help its like my Head says no but my Hormone kick in and say: WTF DO IT. Of course i give a damn about it over the Internet, there are key elements that are missing (facial expression etc.). Maybe the guys that fall for it, just got a extreme strong sense in chivalry.

    I would say its highly unethical but who cares? Its the Internet, if you find morals on it you can call me.

  • vajurasvajuras Member Posts: 2,860

    I usually make both male and female characters and try to level up both. While on my female I always tell people who I am when asked (male). I usually always belong to a guild and get on voice chat so I dont have to type. Would be hard to try to sound like a female on teamspeak haha and I wouldnt ever want to go that far

     

    But I guess I am indirectly roleplaying a female ingame. But I would never have a 'virtual boyfriend'

     

    I think to an extent what you do is unethical when it gets to the point where you decieve people out of game and send photos.

  • grimmbotgrimmbot Member Posts: 302

    I hate to say this, but I've got to agree with a poster somewhere in the middle of this thread:

    It's one thing to con people -- but the scheme being explained, and the tone being used to explain it, clearly hint at something deeper going on in the OPs head.

    A "Greed" con job is getting someone to kill a mob for you and give you loot. He's going thru the effort of creating a relationship. And he talks dirty!

    If you can talk dirty to another man and keep a straight face, then you must derive some sort of pleasure from it yourself.

    Funny thing is, my best friend (a married woman) used to play FFXI and she got offers like these from guys -- without even trying. All she had to do was cut a cute line, say "hon" and use plenty of smilies and the weak little boys would give her all the loot she wanted before excusing themselves to the bathroom.  She'd tell me that she'd exchange emails with a few of them and suddenly she'd find photos of these 17 year old guys in her inbox.

    "Maybe I'll play a female too..." I told her, "I want FREE LOOTZ!"

    "Careful," she said, "You might enjoy it. ;)"

    Indeed.

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  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by grimmbot


    I hate to say this, but I've got to agree with a poster somewhere in the middle of this thread:
    It's one thing to con people -- but the scheme being explained, and the tone being used to explain it, clearly hint at something deeper going on in the OPs head.
    A "Greed" con job is getting someone to kill a mob for you and give you loot. He's going thru the effort of creating a relationship. And he talks dirty!
    If you can talk dirty to another man and keep a straight face, then you must derive some sort of pleasure from it yourself.
    Funny thing is, my best friend (a married woman) used to play FFXI and she got offers like these from guys -- without even trying. All she had to do was cut a cute line, say "hon" and use plenty of smilies and the weak little boys would give her all the loot she wanted before excusing themselves to the bathroom.  She'd tell me that she'd exchange emails with a few of them and suddenly she'd find photos of these 17 year old guys in her inbox.
    "Maybe I'll play a female too..." I told her, "I want FREE LOOTZ!"

    "Careful," she said, "You might enjoy it. ;)"
    Indeed.

    Oh come one, how hard it is to take advantage of over hormoned teenagers? Im 30, and I say that I would hate to be a teenage guy today. Sex is literally EVERYWHERE, I think if I were a teenage guy today with what is acceptable now a days as opposed to 15 years ago when I was a teenager, my junk would have burst into flames.

     

  • grimmbotgrimmbot Member Posts: 302

    It's not hard to take advantage of a weak-willed teen who's too naive to understand the dangers of the internet.

    Of the guys that my best friend (the married woman) got to do her dirty work, I couldn't think of a single one who was "normal". All of them knew she was married and 28, and wanted to "meet her" anyway despite not having Mommy's permission. ;)

    And that's kind of ironic since, at 26, Myspace didn't really take off until I was about graduated from high school -- these kids have been around all these potentially bad influences for a lot longer. But when you need a friend badly enough, you'll believe what you want.

    So no, I don't blame any guy for playing a chick and getting some free stuff from the weak ones. Just don't talk dirty to them... good god lol.

     

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  • gorgukgorguk Member Posts: 165

    I just think its funny. I think the only people to have a huge prob with it is ones who would get scammed by it and probably need to stop playing computer games and find a real woman lol.

    I dont do shit like give away free crap to anyone muchless a female toon lol I treat all players as if they are male cuz they probably are and even if i know they arnt (talked with em on teamspeak or something like that) i still treat them like they have a penis cuz i dont care if you have a vagina.. cant have my stuff:P unless shes actually in my house.. naked.. offering me beer... then i might think about  handing over some items or something

    then again.. going into that much detail about it.. comming up with fake RL stories an such.. sounds like you need to take a break from games too lol

    Edit: Oh.. and if you talk dirty to them too.. well then your probably in the closet.. maybe try on a pair of panties or get into musicals..

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431

    Of course you realize that with how karma works, you are going to go on a date with a really hot girl down the road, you'll be makin out, and bam, you realize your arent the only one with an erection.

    That would be hilarious, and fitting as far as punishments go.

  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105

    oh *

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