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I play a girl toon and take advantage of other guys. Unethical?

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  • streeastreea Member UncommonPosts: 654

    I don't think there is anything psychologically wrong with the OP.

    He's admitted to being greedy. But being greedy isn't always a bad thing... it pushes us forward, teaches us how to deal with pain, and is generally a part of our goals in life.

    Is what he's doing moral? Not in the least. It's a scam. He's not cheating these people out of money or harming them in any way, but these people are trusting someone who is not trustworthy. And while some may say "it's their fault for being gullible," it still doesn't change the fact that he's going out of his way to trick them.

    OP, going to see a shrink obviously won't help you. But if you continue to lie like this, it will come back to bite you in the ass... hard. Sometimes lonely men are alone for a reason...

  • devilisciousdeviliscious Member UncommonPosts: 4,359
    Originally posted by LordRelic


    I have to disagree with some of what you say. The world.. humanity is not inherently good.  Mankind is evil above all else, Witch is why when someone does somehting kind and nice it shines even more. 
    There are some companies ie red cross and what not that want to help people. But Hospitals are not one of them hospitals dont treat people of there illness, They treat the symptoms, If they cured you every time you had an illness they would stop making money and how would doctors get there fantastic pay?  Hospitals are the bigest scam.  There a money pit and the people who think that poping some pills for this or some pills for that is ok are so lost in there scam that they get ill because they start to think there sick.
    Hospitals are not about helping those in need or they would make it cheaper alot cheaper for that matter.  I mean when the doctor uses a needle do you pay for just that needle and what ever was in it????? no you pay for the whole box of needles and the whole bottle of what ever was in it? is that just?? is that helping those in need?



     

    Most doctors that you say get "fantastic pay" are paying off student loans for the rest of their lives, most doctors do not have their  loans paid off by the time they are 45.  Doctors often not only work at the hospital, they also use their own money to treat patients for free at the free clinics, as well as have their own offices. I have seen doctors tear up thousands of dollars in medical bills for people who could not afford to pay them. I have seen them go above and beyond their "jobs" to try  and make a difference in this world. Most hosptials are so far in the red that  many are being forced to close their doors due to their charity, you need to educate yourself on this subject a bit before ranting about people who are only trying to save lives.

  • CaptainTrollCaptainTroll Member CommonPosts: 67
    Originally posted by LordRelic

    Originally posted by deviliscious

    Originally posted by CaptainTroll

    Originally posted by deviliscious


    Conning anyone has real consequences. People get hurt. Your lack of compassion for your fellow human beings is sad.  Being a liar and a con is not a "special talent" it is a cop out. It is sad that in your childhood you did not devlop your brain properly enough to realize this. You too should seek a mental health proffesional to make you better understand why you feel the way you do. This is a problem that you should have looked into because not only will it affect your relationships in your life, it will affect your family, your children one day, and your life.



     

    Dude, I've tried getting help. I've tried going to a mental health professional. But the problem was the son of a bitch didn't understand me, so I stopped going. Devil, I think you need to understand something, this world is not a kind world. We are living in a world full of challenges and full of pitfalls and hardships. Everybody is trying to get ahead of the next person. Everybody is trying to take your money and take your cents. When everybody in this world is born, they are not born equal. The playing field is not always level for everybody born into this world, therefore, that person born into a lower playing field need to do whatever he or she can to get ahead in this big bad world.

    Devil, I hope you see the error of your ways and understand that your logic if extremely flawed.

    Captain Troll



     

    Dude, I am not a dude. You say they did not understand you, that is because you did not open your ears and fully understand what they were telling you.  You do not seem to grasp that this is not an acceptable way to live. That this is a problem, and until you accept that you will never be able to fully enjoy the life the way others know it.  Yes we live in a world full of challenges and pitfalls, and it is how we respond to those that determines what kind of life we have. Not everyone responds to those things the way you imagine, if they did, there would be no red cross, there would be no charities, hell there would not even be hosptials because why would anyone want to help anyone else? You are wrong about this world, and everyone in it. It is the few people who try to make the world a worse place that causes everyone to struggle.

    If it were not for the caring  people in this world that actually see themselves as more than just an individual that put forth effort to not only help themselves but to help others as well  the world as we know it would not exist at all. The world is what you make of it and your actions affect that world.  I did not come from money, no I struggled, and I made my way to where i am now and never once did I have to walk on others in the process. No that is not what you have to do to get ahead, all you do by taking your road is burn your bridges as you pass, so that one day when you too fall.. there will not be anyone there to help you through it.

     

    I have to disagree with some of what you say. The world.. humanity is not inherently good.  Mankind is evil above all else, Witch is why when someone does somehting kind and nice it shines even more. 

    There are some companies ie red cross and what not that want to help people. But Hospitals are not one of them hospitals dont treat people of there illness, They treat the symptoms, If they cured you every time you had an illness they would stop making money and how would doctors get there fantastic pay?  Hospitals are the bigest scam.  There a money pit and the people who think that poping some pills for this or some pills for that is ok are so lost in there scam that they get ill because they start to think there sick.

    Hospitals are not about helping those in need or they would make it cheaper alot cheaper for that matter.  I mean when the doctor uses a needle do you pay for just that needle and what ever was in it????? no you pay for the whole box of needles and the whole bottle of what ever was in it? is that just?? is that helping those in need?



     

    A hospital is like Ronald McDonald wearing an apron  and mask as a disguise.

    The Troll

  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by deviliscious

    Originally posted by Waterlily


    Why would you recommend the OP to get his head examined if you worked in ER?
    A lot of people claim a lot online, but  not one good medical professional would recommend the OP to get their head examined at all. He's perfectly normal and perfectly sane when you read his thread.
    So I'm kinda surprised you now claim to be a medical professional.

    You are incorrect.  You do not have to be "insane" to have social disorders. This is a social disorder.  Ask any mental health proffessional and they will tell you that.   I did not claim to be a "medical proffessional" I am not practicing, and though i did my internship at parkland,  and ran a Pediatrics clinic, I never finished my internship, because I realized it was not the field for me. This was just one of the steps in my life that i have lived through.  I have done many things in my life, and hope to do many more.   Yes, he should "have his head examined" because social disorders lead to many more problems in life and should be addressed.

     

     

    You ran a clinic? Or you were just part of a Pediatrics department? Did you actually work at ER doing more than just assisting or were you just there? Did you actually ever work at ER at all?

    I doubt you ever worked at ER because you would realize there are bigger things to worry about than playing a girl in an MMO.

     

    A social disorder has nothing to do with someone getting 'his head examined'. There is nothing wrong with his intelligence and he seems very bright.

    Social problems are caused by environments and people, they are not conditions relating to someones "head".

    And don't play the 'good girl' here when you have an avatar of a devil.

    Before you call someone out because he's playing games I would look at what you're doing because half of what you claim to be is a smokescreen.

     

     

     

     

  • CaptainTrollCaptainTroll Member CommonPosts: 67
    Originally posted by streea


    I don't think there is anything psychologically wrong with the OP.
    He's admitted to being greedy. But being greedy isn't always a bad thing... it pushes us forward, teaches us how to deal with pain, and is generally a part of our goals in life.
    Is what he's doing moral? Not in the least. It's a scam. He's not cheating these people out of money or harming them in any way, but these people are trusting someone who is not trustworthy. And while some may say "it's their fault for being gullible," it still doesn't change the fact that he's going out of his way to trick them.
    OP, going to see a shrink obviously won't help you. But if you continue to lie like this, it will come back to bite you in the ass... hard. Sometimes lonely men are alone for a reason...



     

    Ronald McDonald does the same thing.

    The Troll

  • CaptainTrollCaptainTroll Member CommonPosts: 67
    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Originally posted by deviliscious

    Originally posted by Waterlily


    Why would you recommend the OP to get his head examined if you worked in ER?
    A lot of people claim a lot online, but  not one good medical professional would recommend the OP to get their head examined at all. He's perfectly normal and perfectly sane when you read his thread.
    So I'm kinda surprised you now claim to be a medical professional.

    You are incorrect.  You do not have to be "insane" to have social disorders. This is a social disorder.  Ask any mental health proffessional and they will tell you that.   I did not claim to be a "medical proffessional" I am not practicing, and though i did my internship at parkland,  and ran a Pediatrics clinic, I never finished my internship, because I realized it was not the field for me. This was just one of the steps in my life that i have lived through.  I have done many things in my life, and hope to do many more.   Yes, he should "have his head examined" because social disorders lead to many more problems in life and should be addressed.

     

     

    You ran a clinic? Or you were just part of a Pediatrics department? Did you actually work at ER doing more than just assisting or were you just there? Did you actually ever work at ER at all?

    I doubt you ever worked at ER because you would realize there are bigger things to worry about than playing a girl in an MMO.

     

    A social disorder has nothing to do with someone getting 'his head examined'. There is nothing wrong with his intelligence and he seems very bright.

    Social problems are caused by environments and people, they are not conditions relating to someones "head".

    And don't play the 'good girl' here when you have an avatar of a devil.

    Before you call someone out because he's playing games I would look at what you're doing because half of what you claim to be is a smokescreen.

     

     

     

     



     

    LOL

    Captain TROLL

  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by Vendayn


    He might or might not have social problems...
     
    but it sounds like he likes guys and not girls...which is probably the reason he does it and doesn't want to admit it

     

    He likes guys because they give him free stuff and he gets free attention.

    He never said that was his sexual preference, don't jump to conclusions.

  • tfox2k1tfox2k1 Member Posts: 215

    I've done this, and SWG was a major MMO for shemale behavior. 

     

    The reason I did it was simple.   I remember seeing 'female' characters of a similar level than my dancer wearing the best clothes and having lots of credits.   So I asked one, how she was getting so much, she told me flirting with guys and her regulars would bring her things.

     

    Sure enough I started doing the same and was being given some high value items.   Enough so it started funding my main characters.  

     

    I've also experienced this in other MMOs where people tend to group with 'females' more and give them better loots, etc.   

     

    Frankly this happens in RL as well, with pretty girls.   So its about time the men get something in return, even if it is only virtual.     Now I never went so far as to lie.   I was more, what they don't know won't hurt them.   I never posted fake photos of myself or anything, although.....

     

    If the loser guys want to keep paying, no sense all of the funds goes to bimbos.  

     

     

  • devilisciousdeviliscious Member UncommonPosts: 4,359
    Originally posted by Waterlily


     
    You ran a clinic? Or you were just part of a Pediatrics department? Did you actually work at ER doing more than just assisting or were you just there? Did you actually ever work at ER at all?
    Yes I was the manager of the Pediatrics clinic. Not only was it my job to stablize patients, but it was also my job to determine who was seen first, as well asn deal with the business end of everything.  I see how much clinics make.. and if it were not for the doctors spouses having jobs the clinics would go under. I was finishing up my education as an intern in Parklands ER, I assisted with minor surgeries, stitched a few people up help reset bones.. ect before I decided I just could not be in that environment everyday. it takes stronger nerves than I have, that is for sure. You have to be able to accept someone dying and move on to the next person without it hurting you too bad inside, and I don;t think I have that in me.
    I doubt you ever worked at ER because you would realize there are bigger things to worry about than playing a girl in an MMO.
    You have to realize the bigger picture of  the fact  that your actions affect other people. Some of these people  are severely depressed to begin with and crushing them with something like this could have real devestating consequeces.   it is like this : you pretend to be a girl, you tell him you love him and want to meet him for real. He  then takes his life savings and spends real money to make his home presentable and buys you an airline ticket. He  then finds out he was conned by a guy..  you call him a loser ..he hangs himself.
    Real people get hurt by your actions and this is becomming more and more common as computers have become more popular for meeting people. Many people are really getting married to people they met in games, so why should that guy not think it is a real possibility? No It is not your fault the guy was depressed, but it is your fault that you took advantage of him.  
    A social disorder has nothing to do with someone getting 'his head examined'. There is nothing wrong with his intelligence and he seems very bright.
     A social disorder has alot to do with that term , simply because intelligence has nothing to do with mental disorder.  Some of the most intelligent people in this world have severe mental illness. Uni bomber ring a bell? Anyhow having your head examined is just a crude way to say" talk to a mental health proffesional" they deal with social disorders, that is what they do. They can help you better understand why you feel the way you do, and help  you develop the tools you need to have a healthier social outlook.
    Social problems are caused by environments and people, they are not conditions relating to someones "head".
    No, not their head but their mind yes. Yes everything in your life helps determine how you react to different events. Some that have been traumatized by things that most of us would think be silly to be afraid of are that way simply because of an event that occured in their life. This behavior honestly is no different it is because of something that either happened to them, or did not happen to them to cause them to "justify" hurting others as being an okay thing to do.
    And don't play the 'good girl' here when you have an avatar of a devil.
    You have to belive in "good and "evil"  for the image of a devil to mean anything to you. To me it represents a "playful naughtiness" not good or evil.
    Before you call someone out because he's playing games I would look at what you're doing because half of what you claim to be is a smokescreen.
    How so?
     
     
     
     



     

  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by deviliscious

    Originally posted by Waterlily


     
    You ran a clinic? Or you were just part of a Pediatrics department? Did you actually work at ER doing more than just assisting or were you just there? Did you actually ever work at ER at all?
    Yes I was the manager of the Pediatrics clinic. Not only was it my job to stablize patients, but it was also my job to determine who was seen first, as well asn deal with the business end of everything.  I see how much clinics make.. and if it were not for the doctors spouses having jobs the clinics would go under. I was finishing up my education as an intern in Parklands ER, I assisted with minor surgeries, stitched a few people up help reset bones.. ect before I decided I just could not be in that environment everyday. it takes stronger nerves than I have, that is for sure. You have to be able to accept someone dying and move on to the next person without it hurting you too bad inside, and I don;t think I have that in me.
    I doubt you ever worked at ER because you would realize there are bigger things to worry about than playing a girl in an MMO.
    You have to realize the bigger picture of  the fact  that your actions affect other people. Some of these people  are severely depressed to begin with and crushing them with something like this could have real devestating consequeces.   it is like this : you pretend to be a girl, you tell him you love him and want to meet him for real. He  then takes his life savings and spends real money to make his home presentable and buys you an airline ticket. He  then finds out he was conned by a guy..  you call him a loser ..he hangs himself.
    Real people get hurt by your actions and this is becomming more and more common as computers have become more popular for meeting people. Many people are really getting married to people they met in games, so why should that guy not think it is a real possibility? No It is not your fault the guy was depressed, but it is your fault that you took advantage of him.  
    A social disorder has nothing to do with someone getting 'his head examined'. There is nothing wrong with his intelligence and he seems very bright.
     A social disorder has alot to do with that term , simply because intelligence has nothing to do with mental disorder.  Some of the most intelligent people in this world have severe mental illness. Uni bomber ring a bell? Anyhow having your head examined is just a crude way to say" talk to a mental health proffesional" they deal with social disorders, that is what they do. They can help you better understand why you feel the way you do, and help  you develop the tools you need to have a healthier social outlook.
    Social problems are caused by environments and people, they are not conditions relating to someones "head".
    No, not their head but their mind yes. Yes everything in your life helps determine how you react to different events. Some that have been traumatized by things that most of us would think be silly to be afraid of are that way simply because of an event that occured in their life. This behavior honestly is no different it is because of something that either happened to them, or did not happen to them to cause them to "justify" hurting others as being an okay thing to do.
    And don't play the 'good girl' here when you have an avatar of a devil.
    You have to belive in "good and "evil"  for the image of a devil to mean anything to you. To me it represents a "playful naughtiness" not good or evil.
    Before you call someone out because he's playing games I would look at what you're doing because half of what you claim to be is a smokescreen.
    How so?
     
     
     
     



     

    I see, it went from working at ER to being an intern assisting there.

    It went from "he should get his head examined" to "problems with his mind".

    You want to take it up for people who " are severely depressed to begin with and crushing them with something like this could have real devestating consequeces."

    That's good. The first thing you can do is stop telling the OP he has a medical condition and should have his head examined, because letting guys pay some items in a game for you does not equal having a medical or social disorder. By telling him he has a medical condition you do the same thing you accuse him off.

  • mike470mike470 General CorrespondentMember Posts: 2,396

    Why are people sticking up for this guy?

    1.  Taking advantage of someone:  Do you see the news?  Relationships over the internet are fine, but problems can easily occur when it is not what they thought.  Did you hear about the girl who commited suicide because her "boyfriend" was some other girl.  Or how about the other hundreds of times this has happened?  The people falling for this guys tricks more likely to be hurt when they find out the "girl" is actually a guy in disguise.  When they thought they had someone who cared for them, they just had some prick taking advantage of them for free stuff. 

    2.  Butz Mikeh!! Gerls do iet two!!:  So? If the guy was actually a girl this wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem.  Taking advantage of someone is one thing, but taking advantage of someone bye pretending to be a girl is even worse.  This can cause HUGE problems if the guy ever finds out.

    3.  It's just plain sick.  Pretending to be a girl to get free stuff is the lowest of low.  It's unethical, wrong, disgusting, and pathetic on the guy's part especially.  Are you that desperate for free things that you actually have to go to such lengths to do this?

    I just find it so wrong....it's not natural.

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  • Harpy_LadyHarpy_Lady Member Posts: 137
    Originally posted by Volkmar


    He is lying, cheating and manipulating other people for his own personal greed

     

    Welcome to MMO's. I sense that you are new here....

  • spankybusspankybus Member UncommonPosts: 1,367

    Anyone who rolls at a female toon and immediately assumes 'its a female player, let me hit on them'....well, thats pretty fricken sad. Assume every person you meet is a dude until you're told otherwise, then assume they're a dude anyways. If you become friends and they need help, sure, help em out. If yer given them stuff cuz you think its a cute chick, yer a moron and yer cruising for a very akeward situation.

     

    True, people who deliberatly mislead others for personal gain are scum, but its realy your own responsibility to keep your eyes open and think clearly, in RL as well as an MMORPG.

     

    As to the OP's question, yes its unethical. You are deliveratly misinforming people for personal gain. The fact that you are asking means you already suspect its dubious behavior.

     

    I always play girl toons. If i have to stare at an ass walking away for me for hours at a time, it might as well me a nice one. However, the second some sad soul starts getting 'stupid' with me, thinking i'm his dream girl, i tell him I'm a dude and suggest gong to a real bar for a real woman. RL is the only place 99% of you are going to meet someone of the opposite sex where spending money on them (dates, not hookers, though i guess that applies too lol) might lead somewhere.

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  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by mike470


    Why are people sticking up for this guy?
     
    2.  Butz Mikeh!! Gerls do iet two!!:  So? If the guy was actually a girl this wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem. 
    It's just plain sick.  Pretending to be a girl to get free stuff is the lowest of low.  It's unethical, wrong, disgusting, and pathetic on the guy's part especially
     

    Ah....how do you see this then....what girls do on a daily basis in real life with real life money and gifts is excusable,

    but what he does is suddenly "plain sick and pathetic"?

    You realize he's just copying female behavior don't you? It's not some kind of scam he invented.

     

  • devilisciousdeviliscious Member UncommonPosts: 4,359
    Originally posted by Waterlily


    I see, it went from working at ER to being an intern assisting there.
    It went from "he should get his head examined" to "problems with his mind".
    You want to take it up for people who " are severely depressed to begin with and crushing them with something like this could have real devestating consequeces."
    That's good. The first thing you can do is stop telling the OP he has a medical condition and should have his head examined, because letting guys pay some items in a game for you does not equal having a medical or social disorder. By telling him he has a medical condition you do the same thing you accuse him off.



     

    Have you any idea what an internship is? You do work there.  He was the one that used the term" have his head examined" I was elaborating on the subject.  Though I thought it was a crude phrase to begin with, I was only repeating what the OP said to begin with. 

    Mental and medical condition are 2 entirely different things, you should realize the difference between them. He was the one that said "he thought he needed to have his head examined" which translates to: him realizing this may be a problem and has thought about seeking help. Realizing there is a problem is the first step in doing something about it.  I never once told him he has a medical condition,  He has a Social disorder, that is not the same thing. There is nothing any medical doctor can do for him, a good mental health proffessional is what  he needs.

  • BarCrowBarCrow Member UncommonPosts: 2,195

    I once played this game. There was a woman. She said the funniest things. She made me laugh...and even almost cry. I forked over money just to see her. about $12 total...real money....oh wait ....that was a movie. That Mrs. Doubtfire was hot though. I didn't know Robin Williams had gender issues. Hmmm.

  • Tyres100Tyres100 Member Posts: 704

    Mangina, I am sooo sick of MANGINAS everywhere in MMORPG's....STOP the mangina syndrom please!! Guys playing girls and pretending to be a girl, until you ask them to join you on Ventrilo and they are like umm my mic doesn't work but I can listen. Happens all the time.

    Who let you in the VIP section?

  • mike470mike470 General CorrespondentMember Posts: 2,396
    Originally posted by Waterlily

    Originally posted by mike470


    Why are people sticking up for this guy?
     
    2.  Butz Mikeh!! Gerls do iet two!!:  So? If the guy was actually a girl this wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem. 
    It's just plain sick.  Pretending to be a girl to get free stuff is the lowest of low.  It's unethical, wrong, disgusting, and pathetic on the guy's part especially
     

    Ah....how do you see this then....what girls do on a daily basis in real life with real life money and gifts is excusable,

    but what he does is suddenly "plain sick and pathetic"?

     



     

    It just is.  It's as simple as that.  Yuo either agree or disagree with him, and I don't.  I don't think it is right to take advantage of someone falsely.  At least if it was a girl, he wouldn't be flirting with another guy...

    This has so many bad consequences to go with it, though.  Mental damage to the guy, especially, can cause some serious trouble.

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  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by deviliscious



    He has a Social disorder, that is not the same thing. There is nothing any medical doctor can do for him, a good mental health proffessional is what  he needs.

     

    Good god, give me a break. You have the pretentiousness to tell a person from one internet post that he has a social disorder and needs a mental health professional.

    You work at a pediatrics clinic with babies, great, so does my mon, but she doesn't go tell people if they have a social disorder.

  • ketrineketrine Member Posts: 285

    lets take a vote!

     

     that question should say "pretending"

  • TheGridTheGrid Member Posts: 61

    Entropia Universe = real money used for ingame currency.

    Female armour usually costs half or less of the male alternative in the game economy. That can be a discount of $5000 real cash or more at times.

    Unless really into roleplay and portraying yourself realistically, I know what I'd choose.

  • WaterlilyWaterlily Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by ketrine



    lets take a vote!
     
     that question should say "pretending"

     

    It's a game, people can play what the hell they like.

  • devilisciousdeviliscious Member UncommonPosts: 4,359
    Originally posted by Waterlily


     
    Good god, give me a break. You have the pretentiousness to tell a person from one internet post that he has a social disorder and needs a mental health professional.
    You work at a pediatrics clinic with babies, great, so does my mon, but she doesn't go tell people if they have a social disorder.



     

    I also worked in the ER at parkland in dallas where we received on a regular basis prisoners from lew sterrett jail that were currently being treated for social disorders by prison counselors.  It is not his gender bending that is the issue here it is the lack of respect for other humans, and his ability to justify it in his mind that it is okay to be deceitful and scam and con other people. This is the  one of the primary subjects that is addressed by counselors in rehabilitaing inmates.

  • paulscottpaulscott Member Posts: 5,613

    Even if he was a real lady/girl it would be unethical.

     

    I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.

  • devilisciousdeviliscious Member UncommonPosts: 4,359
    Originally posted by paulscott


    Even if he was a real lady/girl it would be unethical.
     



     

    Exactly the point.

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