I hate to say this, but I've got to agree with a poster somewhere in the middle of this thread: It's one thing to con people -- but the scheme being explained, and the tone being used to explain it, clearly hint at something deeper going on in the OPs head.
Naw.
It's just the same things most girls use to get ahead in Real Life every single day. Don't think for one second this doesn't happen in RL.
When a girl uses it it's natural but when a guy does it it's weird or unethical?
A lot of guys found out that playing a girl also means you will get treated nicer, will get free gifts and if anyone raises your voice at you they are automatically in the wrong according to society.
There's nothing wrong with the OP, he just watched social behaviar and noticed one gender has an easier time in general and copied that behavior.
If you're a dude playing a female and I find out, I will give you nonstop trouble. I will embarrass you. I will let everyone know you're a douchebag male playing a female. I will make sure you are ostracized from any community we are both participating in.
I find that loser dudes who play females are so socially inept that this is their way of making friends with the opposite sex. It is the gay man mentality. So funny seeing fat ass white guys run around as skimpy sexy female avatars giggling and trying to act feminine. These are the guys who lack enough personality on their own to be a man. They're either still living in mom's basement. Fat beyond measure. Or, so god damn ugly in real life that they'd never get a chick on their own. So, what's the next best thing for them? Go online and pretend to play a female hoping some other girl talks to them.
I know there are the types who claim to not like looking at a male avatar's butt all day (homophobic?) or dudes who claim RPing as their excuse. I know some women play male characters. Most of you men who play female characters would not go to a bar dressed up as a woman just to get a few free drinks. So why come on the Internet and do the same? Why can't people just be themselves? Is your real life so boring and dreadful that you need to come online and play someone else? I just don't get the need to fantasize about being the opposite sex. If this is indeed the case in your life, I think you need therapy.
If you're a dude playing a female and I find out, I will give you nonstop trouble. I will embarrass you. I will let everyone know you're a douchebag male playing a female. I will make sure you are ostracized from any community we are both participating in. I find that loser dudes who play females are so socially inept that this is their way of making friends with the opposite sex. It is the gay man mentality. So funny seeing fat ass white guys run around as skimpy sexy female avatars giggling and trying to act feminine. These are the guys who lack enough personality on their own to be a man. They're either still living in mom's basement. Fat beyond measure. Or, so god damn ugly in real life that they'd never get a chick on their own. So, what's the next best thing for them? Go online and pretend to play a female hoping some other girl talks to them. I know there are the types who claim to not like looking at a male avatar's butt all day (homophobic?) or dudes who claim RPing as their excuse. I know some women play male characters. Most of you men who play female characters would not go to a bar dressed up as a woman just to get a few free drinks. So why come on the Internet and do the same? Why can't people just be themselves? Is your real life so boring and dreadful that you need to come online and play someone else? I just don't get the need to fantasize about being the opposite sex. If this is indeed the case in your life, I think you need therapy.
Don't be silly.
He's far from socially inept, he's knowledgeable enough to notice how to exploit guys just like girls do, and he studied female behavior enough to be able to copy it.
He probably learned 10 times as much about how females act than you will ever do.
I hate to say this, but I've got to agree with a poster somewhere in the middle of this thread: It's one thing to con people -- but the scheme being explained, and the tone being used to explain it, clearly hint at something deeper going on in the OPs head.
Naw.
It's just the same things most girls use to get ahead in Real Life every single day. Don't think for one second this doesn't happen in RL.
When a girl uses it it's natural but when a guy does it it's weird or unethical?
A lot of guys found out that playing a girl also means you will get treated nicer, will get free gifts and if anyone raises your voice at you they are automatically in the wrong according to society.
There's nothing wrong with the OP, he just watched social behaviar and noticed one gender has an easier time in general and copied that behavior.
I will say thats a huge pet peeve of mine when it comes to women using mens weakness for sex for personal gain , that and over doing the tears to get out of bad situations.
Personally I get a little pissed off when I feel like Im being played like that, and I find a lot of women are very taken aback when I dont react how they wanted me to.
If you're a dude playing a female and I find out, I will give you nonstop trouble. I will embarrass you. I will let everyone know you're a douchebag male playing a female. I will make sure you are ostracized from any community we are both participating in. I find that loser dudes who play females are so socially inept that this is their way of making friends with the opposite sex. It is the gay man mentality. So funny seeing fat ass white guys run around as skimpy sexy female avatars giggling and trying to act feminine. These are the guys who lack enough personality on their own to be a man. They're either still living in mom's basement. Fat beyond measure. Or, so god damn ugly in real life that they'd never get a chick on their own. So, what's the next best thing for them? Go online and pretend to play a female hoping some other girl talks to them. I know there are the types who claim to not like looking at a male avatar's butt all day (homophobic?) or dudes who claim RPing as their excuse. I know some women play male characters. Most of you men who play female characters would not go to a bar dressed up as a woman just to get a few free drinks. So why come on the Internet and do the same? Why can't people just be themselves? Is your real life so boring and dreadful that you need to come online and play someone else? I just don't get the need to fantasize about being the opposite sex. If this is indeed the case in your life, I think you need therapy.
Don't be silly.
He's far from socially inept, he's knowledgeable enough to notice how to exploit guys just like girls do, and he studied female behavior enough to be able to copy it.
He probably learned 10 times as much about how females act than you will ever do.
which is about .00001 of what you learn AFTER you marry one.
I'm just curious as to how you interact with other female toons that might possibly be female in RL.. I mean, do you flirt with them too? Just hang out? Do girly stuff together? Do they realise you're a guy?
Then again.. is it just guys playing girls hanging out with other guys playing girls and being girly ?
I'm a girl in RL, but have played male characters online to avoid guys hitting on me.. does this mean i should flirt with girl toons in MMO's to keep up the appearance?? Or should i play a female toon and pretend to be a guy in RL?
It's all so confusing... If i play a female character in an MMO i don't expect to be treated any differently to a guy. I don't want to have to 'prove' i'm a girl LOL.
If you're a dude playing a female and I find out, I will give you nonstop trouble. I will embarrass you. I will let everyone know you're a douchebag male playing a female. I will make sure you are ostracized from any community we are both participating in. I find that loser dudes who play females are so socially inept that this is their way of making friends with the opposite sex. It is the gay man mentality. So funny seeing fat ass white guys run around as skimpy sexy female avatars giggling and trying to act feminine. These are the guys who lack enough personality on their own to be a man. They're either still living in mom's basement. Fat beyond measure. Or, so god damn ugly in real life that they'd never get a chick on their own. So, what's the next best thing for them? Go online and pretend to play a female hoping some other girl talks to them. I know there are the types who claim to not like looking at a male avatar's butt all day (homophobic?) or dudes who claim RPing as their excuse. I know some women play male characters. Most of you men who play female characters would not go to a bar dressed up as a woman just to get a few free drinks. So why come on the Internet and do the same? Why can't people just be themselves? Is your real life so boring and dreadful that you need to come online and play someone else? I just don't get the need to fantasize about being the opposite sex. If this is indeed the case in your life, I think you need therapy.
I always have atleast 1 female toon, mostly for the hell of it. But you will know when its me since i dont act like a chick haha. not big into the RP. I dont think it really matters much unless the fake chick is tryin to cyber all the guys. Sounds like you got burned by a guy playing a female toon.. lol
Almost every person i know who plays online games has a mix of male and female toons also so.. i doubt anyone is going to care if you tried to call them out on it lol but then again none of them try an make others think they are a woman as far as i know.
Also.. who can be themselves on a video game? unless the devs make an avitar that looks just like me, has the same skills as me.. or the absence of skills.. as the case may be since i dont know how to use a sword or cast a fireball spell.. i guess im going to have to play Duthuk, the fat ogre warrior... cuz.. ITS A FUCKIN GAME... lol
Like the topic says I play a girl toon in the mmo's I play,and , i;m a guy. I know i;m not the only one that does this, but the level I take it to makes me wonder if I need to have my head examined. You see not only do I present the persona of a female player in cyberspace but I make my companions believe that im also a chick in the "real" world. I have stories that begin with my childhood all the way to the present; complete with fake parents, schools, jobs ect. I even email photos of women I find online to make things even more believable. "None of those model photos for me, those aren't believable at all...I take them from other folks family galleries. Now you might ask...why. would you do such a thing? The simple answer, is greed. I hook lonely men into falling in love with me online so that they will buy me great items in game. Heck I even let them use my account to level me while im at work. I just do the fun things while im online..no grinding for me..my "boyfriends" do it for me. So I guess im wondering if i'm alone in these twisted endeavors; and is it really all that unethical that I do this? These guys think they are talking to a cute girl and derive great pleasure from doing so. Heck I even throw in a little dirty talk every once in a while.
Ready? Here are some answers for you:
1. You've become a true Californian homo, pink clothes and all
2. It's more than just greed, it's LAZINESS, instead of achieving anything in game for yourself you let everyone else do it for you, so why even play a game then
3. Coming out here on a public forum explaining exactly what you do is a sign you are looking for help. Find a good shrink, you need one bad.
Originally posted by Arcken I will say thats a huge pet peeve of mine when it comes to women using mens weakness for sex for personal gain , that and over doing the tears to get out of bad situations. Personally I get a little pissed off when I feel like Im being played like that, and I find a lot of women are very taken aback when I dont react how they wanted me to.
Nod, which is why I believe some girls don't realize they do this anymore while others go overboard and exploit knowingly. It becomes something natural to do.
I have seen very few girls playing male characters. Girls are just as attracted to guys physically as guys to girls, so the reasoning of people that this is some sort of sexual desire to be a girl is wrong, otherwise girls would do this too and they don't.
The only reason is that guys learned to exploit something that before only girls could in RL.
If you're a dude playing a female and I find out, I will give you nonstop trouble. I will embarrass you. I will let everyone know you're a douchebag male playing a female. I will make sure you are ostracized from any community we are both participating in. I find that loser dudes who play females are so socially inept that this is their way of making friends with the opposite sex. It is the gay man mentality. So funny seeing fat ass white guys run around as skimpy sexy female avatars giggling and trying to act feminine. These are the guys who lack enough personality on their own to be a man. They're either still living in mom's basement. Fat beyond measure. Or, so god damn ugly in real life that they'd never get a chick on their own. So, what's the next best thing for them? Go online and pretend to play a female hoping some other girl talks to them. I know there are the types who claim to not like looking at a male avatar's butt all day (homophobic?) or dudes who claim RPing as their excuse. I know some women play male characters. Most of you men who play female characters would not go to a bar dressed up as a woman just to get a few free drinks. So why come on the Internet and do the same? Why can't people just be themselves? Is your real life so boring and dreadful that you need to come online and play someone else? I just don't get the need to fantasize about being the opposite sex. If this is indeed the case in your life, I think you need therapy.
Alright i'll take you up on your offer.
I'm a guy and i have been known to play a female toon on several occasions, character name in EQ2 is Jario, and in WoW i'm Ghanara.
If you're a dude playing a female and I find out, I will give you nonstop trouble. I will embarrass you. I will let everyone know you're a douchebag male playing a female. I will make sure you are ostracized from any community we are both participating in. I find that loser dudes who play females are so socially inept that this is their way of making friends with the opposite sex. It is the gay man mentality. So funny seeing fat ass white guys run around as skimpy sexy female avatars giggling and trying to act feminine. These are the guys who lack enough personality on their own to be a man. They're either still living in mom's basement. Fat beyond measure. Or, so god damn ugly in real life that they'd never get a chick on their own. So, what's the next best thing for them? Go online and pretend to play a female hoping some other girl talks to them. I know there are the types who claim to not like looking at a male avatar's butt all day (homophobic?) or dudes who claim RPing as their excuse. I know some women play male characters. Most of you men who play female characters would not go to a bar dressed up as a woman just to get a few free drinks. So why come on the Internet and do the same? Why can't people just be themselves? Is your real life so boring and dreadful that you need to come online and play someone else? I just don't get the need to fantasize about being the opposite sex. If this is indeed the case in your life, I think you need therapy.
Alright i'll take you up on your offer.
I'm a guy and i have been known to play a female toon on several occasions, character name in EQ2 is Jario, and in WoW i'm Ghanara.
No big deal OP. It's not like you are alone. My rule of thumb is, everyone on the internet is a guy, unless I meet them in person. You can't go wrong with this rule.
Absolutely. This is what I do. No special favors, completely equal treatment.
I'm not going to waste time passing judgement on the OP, but let this be a lesson, nothing is as it seems in MMOs.
Originally posted by Waterlily When a girl uses it it's natural but when a guy does it it's weird or unethical?
Yes.
It's just not right to take advantage of someone like that...especially since he is NOT a girl. It's one thing if women do it, but another if a man acts like a women and does it.
I find it rather pathetic that he would go to such lengths to have these poor guys tricked. They're proobably very vaulnarable and will go for just about anything - why trick him?
p.s. I'm not syaing it's right for a girl to do it, but it'sd just entirely wrong for a guy to act like a girl to do it IMO.
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Like the topic says I play a girl toon in the mmo's I play,and , i;m a guy. I know i;m not the only one that does this, but the level I take it to makes me wonder if I need to have my head examined. You see not only do I present the persona of a female player in cyberspace but I make my companions believe that im also a chick in the "real" world. I have stories that begin with my childhood all the way to the present; complete with fake parents, schools, jobs ect. I even email photos of women I find online to make things even more believable. "None of those model photos for me, those aren't believable at all...I take them from other folks family galleries. Now you might ask...why. would you do such a thing? The simple answer, is greed. I hook lonely men into falling in love with me online so that they will buy me great items in game. Heck I even let them use my account to level me while im at work. I just do the fun things while im online..no grinding for me..my "boyfriends" do it for me. So I guess im wondering if i'm alone in these twisted endeavors; and is it really all that unethical that I do this? These guys think they are talking to a cute girl and derive great pleasure from doing so. Heck I even throw in a little dirty talk every once in a while.
I could careless about you playing a female character in game. I could careless if you get into it and wear a pink bra and panties while you do it. What I care about is something that is the reason our country is hurting so bad right now. "GREED" You say it your self you put all this work into being a female for greed. You write about it like it is amusing and harmless. You think others should find what you do acceptibile and amusing. After all these guys have it coming, right? Take a good close look at yourself dude ( I use the term Dude lightly). You are a greedy person who will prey upon others to get what you want. It does not matter if it is in "RL" or a game. What is really pathetic is you do this in a game for things that are not even real. What a waste of creativity. If you proudly do this in game I wonder how far you go in RL to get things you think will fill the empty holes in your life.
I realize you meant this post as a tongue in cheek thread. However it does magnify a huge problem in people today and that is greed. I do not think what you are doing needs therapy, since you ask if you need to have your head examined. It does make me think you need to rethink your view of life and other people. After all we are all in this mess called life together. " Just because you can beat him up does not give your the right". You might try being open and honest in games. I have found I get a lot of free stuff, help, discounts, and social interaction in mmos simply by being honest and kind to other players. I would bet I get more rewards by this way of behaving then you do sitting in your pink bra and panties simply for greed.
OF COURSE the OP's behaviour is unethical! I'm surprised and in no small part disgusted by so many even encouraging such behaviours in others. He is lying, cheating and manipulating other people for his own personal greed (of virtual items none the less, way to go). Many of those he manipulates are even under-age, if he would be doing that in real life and get caught, he would end up in jail. More than the problem of the "guy playing girl", I think the more important part is the GREED, that seems to be the real reason of why the OP play a girl, not because he is a closet homsexual, as it has been implied, but because that is the way to get stuff. I'm sure that if the world would be other way around and there would be loads of horny girls playing MMos, he would play a male character no problem. OP: why are you greedy of game items? What exactly makes you go to such low abuses to get your hands on some pixelated graphics with a texture on it? Are those mounts/armor/stuff really worthy your raping of your conscience and higher morals? Can you be sure these behaviours won't spill out in your real life too? You know, cheat and lie enough and it becomes an habit and you will start doing it with your RL friends as well to get.... dunno, maybe RL money. I would advise to seriously have a session of insight either by your own or with someone you can trust and understand you. Try to find out if the greed is the main cause of this and look back to when you started this behaviour and see if there has been any changes in your real life's self, you might need a friend for that as it is really really hard to notice changes in ourselves. It is possible it won't spill out because of fear. Of course, there are no or little consequences in doing it in a MMO, but DO realize the harm you are doing to other people, most of them teenagers and not fully mature adults. More than fear for consequences, the realization you ARE hurting real people should at least refrain you from such behaviour. Yes, they might not be very bright, but then again emotions are powerful things and they can obfuscate your judgement and logic. Plus, as others have stated, you are making things harder for female players that do prefer to play as female characters. In the end the choice is of course yours to make. Good luck.
Sorry I did not see this before I post the above response. I agree 100%
Like the topic says I play a girl toon in the mmo's I play,and , i;m a guy. I know i;m not the only one that does this, but the level I take it to makes me wonder if I need to have my head examined. You see not only do I present the persona of a female player in cyberspace but I make my companions believe that im also a chick in the "real" world. I have stories that begin with my childhood all the way to the present; complete with fake parents, schools, jobs ect. I even email photos of women I find online to make things even more believable. "None of those model photos for me, those aren't believable at all...I take them from other folks family galleries. Now you might ask...why. would you do such a thing? The simple answer, is greed. I hook lonely men into falling in love with me online so that they will buy me great items in game. Heck I even let them use my account to level me while im at work. I just do the fun things while im online..no grinding for me..my "boyfriends" do it for me. So I guess im wondering if i'm alone in these twisted endeavors; and is it really all that unethical that I do this? These guys think they are talking to a cute girl and derive great pleasure from doing so. Heck I even throw in a little dirty talk every once in a while.
Yes this is unethical and I suggest you seek help. Yes you should have your head examined. This is no different than if you were putting on dresses in person and hitting on guys at a bar to get them to buy you free drinks. In fact this is even worse because they never have a chance to know who they are actually buying stuff for. It is one thing when theiving and conning are part of the storyline in the game, it is another when you prey upon real people to con them out of their pixelated stuff. These days millions of people meet online and actually form real relationships from this. These poor guys see the guys who " met their real wife online" met their fiance online" ect and think that maybe things could work for them and you take advantage of them, possibly crushing their hopes of ever finding anyone.
I knew one guy that spent $5,000 of his savings in order to fix his place up for his " girl " comming to see him, bought her a plane ticket, and then the day before she was supposed to come to see him, she asked to borrow some stupid in game item and then logged out of his life saying nothing but " loser". he had known this "girl" for 5 years in a game, talked to her everyday , all night. He atempted suicide that evening and luckily his brother found him and got him help to make it through his depression. What you are doing can cause real harm to these people and you need to understand that. You are resposnisible for how you treat people online or in person, it makes no difference.
It is beyond sad that in game items have become more important to you than people have. it is pathetic actually if you think about it. Do you think that conning people out of things in person is ok? If you do not then you should rethink your reasoning to think it is okay to do so in a game. If you do think conning people is okay in person or in a game or over the phone, or in any way i suggest you talk this over with a mental health proffessional, and they can help you work through your issues with this. This is not somthing you should just accept, and neither should anyone else.
Let me start off by saying that I have never played a female character in online gaming.
Yes, many people who are men in real life do play female toons in order to acquire items and power levelling group access. Is it unethical? Not in my opinion. Role-playing implies the potential for becoming a persona different from your real life person.
Let me start off by saying that I have never played a female character in online gaming. Yes, many people who are men in real life do play female toons in order to acquire items and power levelling group access. Is it unethical? Not in my opinion. Role-playing implies the potential for becoming a persona different from your real life person.
Yes, roleplaying you have different personas, but they are not doing this for that reason, they are doing this to scam real people. This is no different than email scams, telephone scams, or even door to door scams. Actually this is a little different they are preying upon these guys yearning to find a mate, their lonliness, their desires to make a life for themselves, their desire to have a family one day. Which is a very sad and pathetic way to "get yourself" ahead in the game. There is no pixel items in a game that are worth crushing these poor guys over. Ask a mental health proffessional, they will be able to help you better understand why people do these behaviors and how to help them overcome them.
Like the topic says I play a girl toon in the mmo's I play,and , i;m a guy. I know i;m not the only one that does this, but the level I take it to makes me wonder if I need to have my head examined. You see not only do I present the persona of a female player in cyberspace but I make my companions believe that im also a chick in the "real" world. I have stories that begin with my childhood all the way to the present; complete with fake parents, schools, jobs ect. I even email photos of women I find online to make things even more believable. "None of those model photos for me, those aren't believable at all...I take them from other folks family galleries. Now you might ask...why. would you do such a thing? The simple answer, is greed. I hook lonely men into falling in love with me online so that they will buy me great items in game. Heck I even let them use my account to level me while im at work. I just do the fun things while im online..no grinding for me..my "boyfriends" do it for me. So I guess im wondering if i'm alone in these twisted endeavors; and is it really all that unethical that I do this? These guys think they are talking to a cute girl and derive great pleasure from doing so. Heck I even throw in a little dirty talk every once in a while.
Yes this is unethical and I suggest you seek help. Yes you should have your head examined. This is no different than if you were putting on dresses in person and hitting on guys at a bar to get them to buy you free drinks.
How in the world is it unethical when a guy does this but when a girl does this in RL it's not?
He plays the game that half of the females between 16 and 30 play.
This has absolutely nothing to do with his sexual preference either, on the contrary.
Yes this is unethical and I suggest you seek help. Yes you should have your head examined. This is no different than if you were putting on dresses in person and hitting on guys at a bar to get them to buy you free drinks.
How in the world is it unethical when a guy does this but when a girl does this in RL it's not?
He plays the game that half of the females between 16 and 30 play.
I never said that it wasn't. It definately is regardless of gender. He is just using gender bending as his outlet. Regardless of if you are female or male conning people period is unethical, and people doing this should seek help. My refernce to him putting on a dress and doing it in person was just an example to let it sink into his head that that is what he is actually doing. Regardless of sex it is wrong to treat anyone that way for personal gain.
I've played female toons and had guys hitting up on me! I tell them straight up im a guys and i like the look at my female toons.
I Never pretended to be anything else online but a guy. too many ppl get hurt when you decieve them. There is enough deception going on without one more doing it. No one can tell you what to do but i would advise you to stop b4 your decptions hurts someone unstable and something happens to you. Remeber your luck may run out one day and there are enough unstable ppl around to go through the hoops to get vengence on you.
I wouldnt play the odds too much longer.
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Like the topic says I play a girl toon in the mmo's I play,and , i;m a guy. I know i;m not the only one that does this, but the level I take it to makes me wonder if I need to have my head examined. You see not only do I present the persona of a female player in cyberspace but I make my companions believe that im also a chick in the "real" world. I have stories that begin with my childhood all the way to the present; complete with fake parents, schools, jobs ect. I even email photos of women I find online to make things even more believable. "None of those model photos for me, those aren't believable at all...I take them from other folks family galleries. Now you might ask...why. would you do such a thing? The simple answer, is greed. I hook lonely men into falling in love with me online so that they will buy me great items in game. Heck I even let them use my account to level me while im at work. I just do the fun things while im online..no grinding for me..my "boyfriends" do it for me. So I guess im wondering if i'm alone in these twisted endeavors; and is it really all that unethical that I do this? These guys think they are talking to a cute girl and derive great pleasure from doing so. Heck I even throw in a little dirty talk every once in a while.
Damond, you are the MAN!! What you are doing is pretty cool and pretty clever. I see nothing wrong with your actions. I don't think what you are doing is unethical at all. I think its BRILLIANT!!! Keep up the good work buddy, keep up the con.
Captain Troll
P.S.
Have you thought about writing a book about your adventures?
Let me start off by saying that I have never played a female character in online gaming. Yes, many people who are men in real life do play female toons in order to acquire items and power levelling group access. Is it unethical? Not in my opinion. Role-playing implies the potential for becoming a persona different from your real life person.
But not everyone who plays an MMO is into roleplaying.. therefore you can get people meeting up in game who don't realise that the other person they're flirting with/giving stuff to is 'roleplaying' a female persona, and believes implicitly that they are as they appear to be, when in fact they're a guy. I guess it's ok when both/all parties know that they're in a roleplay situation, but to actively pretend to be a girl just to get stuff IMO is wrong.
Originally posted by deviliscious I never said that it wasn't. It definately is regardless of gender. He is just using gender bending as his outlet. Regardless of if you are female or male conning people period is unethical, and people doing this should seek help. My refernce to him putting on a dress and doing it in person was just an example to let it sink into his head that that is what he is actually doing. Regardless of sex it is wrong to treat anyone that way for personal gain.
You can tell every girl from 16-30 who has ever used the fact that she is a girl in her advantage to seek medical assistance too then.
I'm sure you'll have clinics in every city. It just reveals that one sex (gender) is treated very different from another.
I'm not saying this is a good thing because girl or guy should be treated equal, but they are not and some guys started to realize this holds true in MMO also. He is exploiting people but it is not any different from girls using guys which is done in a non-open and deceiving way.
He at least comes out for what he does, most girls don't.
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Naw.
It's just the same things most girls use to get ahead in Real Life every single day. Don't think for one second this doesn't happen in RL.
When a girl uses it it's natural but when a guy does it it's weird or unethical?
A lot of guys found out that playing a girl also means you will get treated nicer, will get free gifts and if anyone raises your voice at you they are automatically in the wrong according to society.
There's nothing wrong with the OP, he just watched social behaviar and noticed one gender has an easier time in general and copied that behavior.
If you're a dude playing a female and I find out, I will give you nonstop trouble. I will embarrass you. I will let everyone know you're a douchebag male playing a female. I will make sure you are ostracized from any community we are both participating in.
I find that loser dudes who play females are so socially inept that this is their way of making friends with the opposite sex. It is the gay man mentality. So funny seeing fat ass white guys run around as skimpy sexy female avatars giggling and trying to act feminine. These are the guys who lack enough personality on their own to be a man. They're either still living in mom's basement. Fat beyond measure. Or, so god damn ugly in real life that they'd never get a chick on their own. So, what's the next best thing for them? Go online and pretend to play a female hoping some other girl talks to them.
I know there are the types who claim to not like looking at a male avatar's butt all day (homophobic?) or dudes who claim RPing as their excuse. I know some women play male characters. Most of you men who play female characters would not go to a bar dressed up as a woman just to get a few free drinks. So why come on the Internet and do the same? Why can't people just be themselves? Is your real life so boring and dreadful that you need to come online and play someone else? I just don't get the need to fantasize about being the opposite sex. If this is indeed the case in your life, I think you need therapy.
Don't be silly.
He's far from socially inept, he's knowledgeable enough to notice how to exploit guys just like girls do, and he studied female behavior enough to be able to copy it.
He probably learned 10 times as much about how females act than you will ever do.
Naw.
It's just the same things most girls use to get ahead in Real Life every single day. Don't think for one second this doesn't happen in RL.
When a girl uses it it's natural but when a guy does it it's weird or unethical?
A lot of guys found out that playing a girl also means you will get treated nicer, will get free gifts and if anyone raises your voice at you they are automatically in the wrong according to society.
There's nothing wrong with the OP, he just watched social behaviar and noticed one gender has an easier time in general and copied that behavior.
I will say thats a huge pet peeve of mine when it comes to women using mens weakness for sex for personal gain , that and over doing the tears to get out of bad situations.
Personally I get a little pissed off when I feel like Im being played like that, and I find a lot of women are very taken aback when I dont react how they wanted me to.
Don't be silly.
He's far from socially inept, he's knowledgeable enough to notice how to exploit guys just like girls do, and he studied female behavior enough to be able to copy it.
He probably learned 10 times as much about how females act than you will ever do.
which is about .00001 of what you learn AFTER you marry one.
I'm just curious as to how you interact with other female toons that might possibly be female in RL.. I mean, do you flirt with them too? Just hang out? Do girly stuff together? Do they realise you're a guy?
Then again.. is it just guys playing girls hanging out with other guys playing girls and being girly ?
I'm a girl in RL, but have played male characters online to avoid guys hitting on me.. does this mean i should flirt with girl toons in MMO's to keep up the appearance?? Or should i play a female toon and pretend to be a guy in RL?
It's all so confusing... If i play a female character in an MMO i don't expect to be treated any differently to a guy. I don't want to have to 'prove' i'm a girl LOL.
I always have atleast 1 female toon, mostly for the hell of it. But you will know when its me since i dont act like a chick haha. not big into the RP. I dont think it really matters much unless the fake chick is tryin to cyber all the guys. Sounds like you got burned by a guy playing a female toon.. lol
Almost every person i know who plays online games has a mix of male and female toons also so.. i doubt anyone is going to care if you tried to call them out on it lol but then again none of them try an make others think they are a woman as far as i know.
Also.. who can be themselves on a video game? unless the devs make an avitar that looks just like me, has the same skills as me.. or the absence of skills.. as the case may be since i dont know how to use a sword or cast a fireball spell.. i guess im going to have to play Duthuk, the fat ogre warrior... cuz.. ITS A FUCKIN GAME... lol
Ready? Here are some answers for you:
1. You've become a true Californian homo, pink clothes and all
2. It's more than just greed, it's LAZINESS, instead of achieving anything in game for yourself you let everyone else do it for you, so why even play a game then
3. Coming out here on a public forum explaining exactly what you do is a sign you are looking for help. Find a good shrink, you need one bad.
Nod, which is why I believe some girls don't realize they do this anymore while others go overboard and exploit knowingly. It becomes something natural to do.
I have seen very few girls playing male characters. Girls are just as attracted to guys physically as guys to girls, so the reasoning of people that this is some sort of sexual desire to be a girl is wrong, otherwise girls would do this too and they don't.
The only reason is that guys learned to exploit something that before only girls could in RL.
Alright i'll take you up on your offer.
I'm a guy and i have been known to play a female toon on several occasions, character name in EQ2 is Jario, and in WoW i'm Ghanara.
I'll be waiting to hear from you.
Alright i'll take you up on your offer.
I'm a guy and i have been known to play a female toon on several occasions, character name in EQ2 is Jario, and in WoW i'm Ghanara.
I'll be waiting to hear from you.
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Everywhere I look around
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Don't know if I'm being wise
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And it's there when I look in your eyes
Absolutely. This is what I do. No special favors, completely equal treatment.
I'm not going to waste time passing judgement on the OP, but let this be a lesson, nothing is as it seems in MMOs.
Yes.
It's just not right to take advantage of someone like that...especially since he is NOT a girl. It's one thing if women do it, but another if a man acts like a women and does it.
I find it rather pathetic that he would go to such lengths to have these poor guys tricked. They're proobably very vaulnarable and will go for just about anything - why trick him?
p.s. I'm not syaing it's right for a girl to do it, but it'sd just entirely wrong for a guy to act like a girl to do it IMO.
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I could careless about you playing a female character in game. I could careless if you get into it and wear a pink bra and panties while you do it. What I care about is something that is the reason our country is hurting so bad right now. "GREED" You say it your self you put all this work into being a female for greed. You write about it like it is amusing and harmless. You think others should find what you do acceptibile and amusing. After all these guys have it coming, right? Take a good close look at yourself dude ( I use the term Dude lightly). You are a greedy person who will prey upon others to get what you want. It does not matter if it is in "RL" or a game. What is really pathetic is you do this in a game for things that are not even real. What a waste of creativity. If you proudly do this in game I wonder how far you go in RL to get things you think will fill the empty holes in your life.
I realize you meant this post as a tongue in cheek thread. However it does magnify a huge problem in people today and that is greed. I do not think what you are doing needs therapy, since you ask if you need to have your head examined. It does make me think you need to rethink your view of life and other people. After all we are all in this mess called life together. " Just because you can beat him up does not give your the right". You might try being open and honest in games. I have found I get a lot of free stuff, help, discounts, and social interaction in mmos simply by being honest and kind to other players. I would bet I get more rewards by this way of behaving then you do sitting in your pink bra and panties simply for greed.
Sorry I did not see this before I post the above response. I agree 100%
I play whatever I want, regardless of gender. But I don't go around pretending I'm something I'm not in RL.
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poet by heart.
Yes this is unethical and I suggest you seek help. Yes you should have your head examined. This is no different than if you were putting on dresses in person and hitting on guys at a bar to get them to buy you free drinks. In fact this is even worse because they never have a chance to know who they are actually buying stuff for. It is one thing when theiving and conning are part of the storyline in the game, it is another when you prey upon real people to con them out of their pixelated stuff. These days millions of people meet online and actually form real relationships from this. These poor guys see the guys who " met their real wife online" met their fiance online" ect and think that maybe things could work for them and you take advantage of them, possibly crushing their hopes of ever finding anyone.
I knew one guy that spent $5,000 of his savings in order to fix his place up for his " girl " comming to see him, bought her a plane ticket, and then the day before she was supposed to come to see him, she asked to borrow some stupid in game item and then logged out of his life saying nothing but " loser". he had known this "girl" for 5 years in a game, talked to her everyday , all night. He atempted suicide that evening and luckily his brother found him and got him help to make it through his depression. What you are doing can cause real harm to these people and you need to understand that. You are resposnisible for how you treat people online or in person, it makes no difference.
It is beyond sad that in game items have become more important to you than people have. it is pathetic actually if you think about it. Do you think that conning people out of things in person is ok? If you do not then you should rethink your reasoning to think it is okay to do so in a game. If you do think conning people is okay in person or in a game or over the phone, or in any way i suggest you talk this over with a mental health proffessional, and they can help you work through your issues with this. This is not somthing you should just accept, and neither should anyone else.
Let me start off by saying that I have never played a female character in online gaming.
Yes, many people who are men in real life do play female toons in order to acquire items and power levelling group access. Is it unethical? Not in my opinion. Role-playing implies the potential for becoming a persona different from your real life person.
Yes, roleplaying you have different personas, but they are not doing this for that reason, they are doing this to scam real people. This is no different than email scams, telephone scams, or even door to door scams. Actually this is a little different they are preying upon these guys yearning to find a mate, their lonliness, their desires to make a life for themselves, their desire to have a family one day. Which is a very sad and pathetic way to "get yourself" ahead in the game. There is no pixel items in a game that are worth crushing these poor guys over. Ask a mental health proffessional, they will be able to help you better understand why people do these behaviors and how to help them overcome them.
Yes this is unethical and I suggest you seek help. Yes you should have your head examined. This is no different than if you were putting on dresses in person and hitting on guys at a bar to get them to buy you free drinks.
How in the world is it unethical when a guy does this but when a girl does this in RL it's not?
He plays the game that half of the females between 16 and 30 play.
This has absolutely nothing to do with his sexual preference either, on the contrary.
How in the world is it unethical when a guy does this but when a girl does this in RL it's not?
He plays the game that half of the females between 16 and 30 play.
I never said that it wasn't. It definately is regardless of gender. He is just using gender bending as his outlet. Regardless of if you are female or male conning people period is unethical, and people doing this should seek help. My refernce to him putting on a dress and doing it in person was just an example to let it sink into his head that that is what he is actually doing. Regardless of sex it is wrong to treat anyone that way for personal gain.
LOL great thread and discussion!
I've played female toons and had guys hitting up on me! I tell them straight up im a guys and i like the look at my female toons.
I Never pretended to be anything else online but a guy. too many ppl get hurt when you decieve them. There is enough deception going on without one more doing it. No one can tell you what to do but i would advise you to stop b4 your decptions hurts someone unstable and something happens to you. Remeber your luck may run out one day and there are enough unstable ppl around to go through the hoops to get vengence on you.
I wouldnt play the odds too much longer.
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Damond, you are the MAN!! What you are doing is pretty cool and pretty clever. I see nothing wrong with your actions. I don't think what you are doing is unethical at all. I think its BRILLIANT!!! Keep up the good work buddy, keep up the con.
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Have you thought about writing a book about your adventures?
But not everyone who plays an MMO is into roleplaying.. therefore you can get people meeting up in game who don't realise that the other person they're flirting with/giving stuff to is 'roleplaying' a female persona, and believes implicitly that they are as they appear to be, when in fact they're a guy. I guess it's ok when both/all parties know that they're in a roleplay situation, but to actively pretend to be a girl just to get stuff IMO is wrong.
You can tell every girl from 16-30 who has ever used the fact that she is a girl in her advantage to seek medical assistance too then.
I'm sure you'll have clinics in every city. It just reveals that one sex (gender) is treated very different from another.
I'm not saying this is a good thing because girl or guy should be treated equal, but they are not and some guys started to realize this holds true in MMO also. He is exploiting people but it is not any different from girls using guys which is done in a non-open and deceiving way.
He at least comes out for what he does, most girls don't.