eq2 does have a trial restriction. level 10 and trial isle only. Not sure about wow.
WoWs is like lvl 20 and you cant trade with people.
I think WoW's trial is also level 10, but he's right, you can't trade or use the Auction House. I guess it was to stop the gold-farmers from using free accounts to do business.
We will see what happens when hatebois join the fun.
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Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
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[quote]Any of you lucky enough to have gotten a spot in Blizzard's coveted World of Warcraft beta will be pleased to hear that the Maximum level has now been raised to 39.[/quote]
level cap in wow beta.
if any of you guys are over the age of 18 you should be ashamed. infact if war's community is going to be like this im sticking with eve.
wow you guys are soo funny. You know if I did a global search and replace for war with aoc this whole thread could have been right out of the AoC forums like 3 months ago... Setting the level cap at 20 IS a red flag. And if they hold the NDA till launch that IS another red flag. If you think otherwise you are a fanboi that is blind to reality. Personally I got little interest in war but I sure as hell would NEVER preorder any game that does this crap. Certainly not after my experiences with AoC. You know what they say, "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me"
Reality testing is based on facts not belief. Just because something might be true doesn't make it true.
Well first, this isn't about testing. It's about having a reasonable expectation. Secondly, if you think testers don't learn from experince and have to relearn/observe/test everything from the ground up you're crazy.
You'll have to try another strwman argument.
Reality testing is about unrealistic expectations which are normally claimed to be "reasonable expectations".
http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ArticleID=9501 [quote]Any of you lucky enough to have gotten a spot in Blizzard's coveted World of Warcraft beta will be pleased to hear that the Maximum level has now been raised to 39.[/quote]
level cap in wow beta.
if any of you guys are over the age of 18 you should be ashamed. infact if war's community is going to be like this im sticking with eve.
Thank you for finding that.
I have never been a part of an Open Beta that did not have a cap on either content available for testing, or a lvl cap.
Its standard operating procedure for any AAA title. WoW did it, EQ2 did it, etc etc...
The difference between AoC and WAR is that WAR is actually dropping the NDA a full month before the game goes live, which means that if there is any glaring problems with the game, everyone and their brother will know about it, and be able to avoid the game if thats the case.
Thats something AoC didn't do, for obvious reasons. If your game isnt finished, you cant be letting people tell others that, it would be bad for business. WAR is showing that they have confidence in their game, and keeping their word.. Mark said that if a game wont release its NDA at least a month before the game is released, it has something to hide. I guess WAR doesnt have anything to hide....
The reason they are only allowing people to get to Level 20 is because there should be a reachable level (to do RvR). Open Beta is not long enough for players to level up to Level 40 and do RvR. It's just done to force them to play against enemy players (what their game is all about).
So if we got like more than 50% of the people, we can see some large-scale RvR in tier2, rather than people from all sorts of levels, not trying out RvR.
its a stresstesting beta, also lvl 20 is half the level cap so its not like AoC (either OP is a troll or he is just plain stupid)
No thats a little harsh. Besides, it is similar to what AoC's open beta had. I think why they are doing this because they will still be testing the upper levels (specifically tier 3 and 4) when open beta starts. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there were another group of beta testers that tested all the content before the rest of the beta testers did. The main thing to remember is that the NDA will be dropping well before the release of the game, which shows that Mythic has faith in their product and will not deceive it's player base.
its a stresstesting beta, also lvl 20 is half the level cap so its not like AoC (either OP is a troll or he is just plain stupid)
No thats a little harsh. Besides, it is similar to what AoC's open beta had. I think why they are doing this because they will still be testing the upper levels (specifically tier 3 and 4) when open beta starts. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there were another group of beta testers that tested all the content before the rest of the beta testers did. The main thing to remember is that the NDA will be dropping well before the release of the game, which shows that Mythic has faith in their product and will not deceive it's player base.
ding ding ding we have a winner!
To think closed beta players, especially those who have been in for a long time have not tested high end content by now is flat out ignorant.
It would be like opening a present before Christmas, so we are just going to get to shake it.
That's what Funcom told us closed beta testers when we asked why we weren't able to test out sieges, among other things.
Although I doubt WAR will be anywhere near the fiasco AoC turned out to be, it's still a shaky PR move considering recent events.
except Beta testers have been testing out Sieges for WAR..its even listed on the War Herald. If you look back atleast twice its said Testers are working on end game content including City Sieges.
As I said, I doubt WAR will be anywhere as bad as AoC. I have no doubt testers are working on high level sieges and such, especially since I don't see the flood of NDA breaking "beware" posts as we seen with AoC. But after the AoC bullshit, PR wise the 20 cap can cause trouble. Just look at this thread for example.
It would be like opening a present before Christmas, so we are just going to get to shake it.
That's what Funcom told us closed beta testers when we asked why we weren't able to test out sieges, among other things.
Although I doubt WAR will be anywhere near the fiasco AoC turned out to be, it's still a shaky PR move considering recent events.
except Beta testers have been testing out Sieges for WAR..its even listed on the War Herald. If you look back atleast twice its said Testers are working on end game content including City Sieges.
As I said, I doubt WAR will be anywhere as bad as AoC. I have no doubt testers are working on high level sieges and such, especially since I don't see the flood of NDA breaking "beware" posts as we seen with AoC. But after the AoC bullshit, PR wise the 20 cap can cause trouble. Just look at this thread for example.
Why is it so hard for people to understand that the lvl cap in OB is COMMON PRACTICE for MMOs? LOTRO, EQ2, WoW, ect... have all done it. This is not exclusive to AoC, this happens in the majority of MMOs.
Age of Conan was missing content. And not just any content, but core mid- and endgame content. Warhammer Online isn't. That's the main difference between "what this means" in the two games. Warhammer isn't going to ship with the RvR "turned off" for months. :> Need to keep the "big picture" in mind. Yeah, the hardcore min/maxers will be mad that they can't get to 40 before release, but I for one will be too busy trying out different careers with the time I've got to worry about the 20+ game during open beta.
Well here is the rub... Nobody said AoC was gonna be missing anything prior to releases. Beta testers said it was all good and amazing Avery was everywhere expounding how he had seen it all. So like I said this thread is NO different from the AoC threads and we all know how that turned out. So the prudent course of action is to wait and see....
Why is it so hard for people to understand that the lvl cap in OB is COMMON PRACTICE for MMOs? LOTRO, EQ2, WoW, ect... have all done it. This is not exclusive to AoC, this happens in the majority of MMOs. Is it really that hard to get?
No, not really that hard to get. So long as you're not saying AoC was in any form redeemable.
I have read and reviewed most of the posts here and surprised that there aren't as many trolls as I suspected, having been started by one. I trust Mythic (regardless of EA) to have a thoroughly well done game from launch. They've tried so hard from the very beginning to inform the public what major strides they've had. The monthly podcasts began to be more interesting than WoW's patches, for God's sake.
It's been said before here: nothing could be worse than AoC's launch. Paul'd say it himself: "Evil Marketing." And even if the end-game isn't completely done like most games, I don't care. Most of us have seen a visible effort to make the game better through Closed Beta, why sh*t their pants after Open Beta and giggle at us like immature babies? Naw. Takes trust and I'm happy I got some, much like others here.
I've not been in any testing or developing of the game thus far. Just an avid listener and watcher. I'm trying to keep my mind neutral on the subject so I don't overglorify or overpredict a game that's not out, but... Really, it couldn't matter now. Personally just hate WoW now and never found a fancy from any other MMO.
Waiting on Warhammer.
--------------------- Sniper is another term for unorthodox surgeon.
wow you guys are soo funny. You know if I did a global search and replace for war with aoc this whole thread could have been right out of the AoC forums like 3 months ago... Setting the level cap at 20 IS a red flag. And if they hold the NDA till launch that IS another red flag. If you think otherwise you are a fanboi that is blind to reality. Personally I got little interest in war but I sure as hell would NEVER preorder any game that does this crap. Certainly not after my experiences with AoC. You know what they say, "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me"
Reality testing is based on facts not belief. Just because something might be true doesn't make it true.
Well first, this isn't about testing. It's about having a reasonable expectation. Secondly, if you think testers don't learn from experince and have to relearn/observe/test everything from the ground up you're crazy.
You'll have to try another strwman argument.
Reality testing is about unrealistic expectations which are normally claimed to be "reasonable expectations".
You are like some fortune oriental proverb... I got no idea what you are saying... So I'll just say uhhu...
eq2 does have a trial restriction. level 10 and trial isle only. Not sure about wow.
WoWs is like lvl 20 and you cant trade with people.
These are trials and are in place to prevent gold farming and/or to minimize what needs to be downloaded to actually play.
These games didn't limit the levels on open beta at all. I've never seen a major game that limited the level in open beta but like trials I can actually maybe understand it if they are trying to save money by stripping the client download down to make it smaller. This is the only thing that might make this make sense. AoC was BS though since they were obviously hiding things. I guess we just need to wait and see what War actually is like. I'm kinda bummed to you can't even trust online gaming sites since they appear to only play for 15 minutes before reviewing the game. AoC had amazing reviews....
eq2 does have a trial restriction. level 10 and trial isle only. Not sure about wow.
WoWs is like lvl 20 and you cant trade with people.
These are trials and are in place to prevent gold farming and/or to minimize what needs to be downloaded to actually play.
These games didn't limit the levels on open beta at all. I've never seen a major game that limited the level in open beta but like trials I can actually maybe understand it if they are trying to save money by stripping the client download down to make it smaller. This is the only thing that might make this make sense. AoC was BS though since they were obviously hiding things. I guess we just need to wait and see what War actually is like. I'm kinda bummed to you can't even trust online gaming sites since they appear to only play for 15 minutes before reviewing the game. AoC had amazing reviews....
Again, a poster 2 pages back posted an excerpt about WoW beta mentioning the max lvl reachable by testers was raised to 39. Last I checked, max lvl in WoW was never 39.
EQ2 had a lvl cap for Open Beta. As did LOTR.
Your statements are false, and you have been shown how they are false. Continuing to repost them simply shows that you have no interest in telling the truth, simply spreading lies and misinformation... for whatever reason.
eq2 does have a trial restriction. level 10 and trial isle only. Not sure about wow.
WoWs is like lvl 20 and you cant trade with people.
These are trials and are in place to prevent gold farming and/or to minimize what needs to be downloaded to actually play.
These games didn't limit the levels on open beta at all. I've never seen a major game that limited the level in open beta but like trials I can actually maybe understand it if they are trying to save money by stripping the client download down to make it smaller. This is the only thing that might make this make sense. AoC was BS though since they were obviously hiding things. I guess we just need to wait and see what War actually is like. I'm kinda bummed to you can't even trust online gaming sites since they appear to only play for 15 minutes before reviewing the game. AoC had amazing reviews....
Myself and many others have now listed 3-4 high profile MMOs released in the past 3~ years that have had OB level capped. You cannot really be this thick-headed.
I really hope WAR does good, i want a new game, but with this many ppl already trying to defend it on what is it day 1 of OB? ( that you had to pre order to get it....that was just dumb) I will be waiting a long time after release to see if its worth getting. I kinda think most of the ppl that were going to buy it pre ordered it anyways hoping to get in first and now thats been capped too. So glad i didnt pre order.
I'm surprised this comparison is even being made. If you read the leak sites for AoC and WAR you know the difference is night and day. The testers said AoC was not done and alot of the features were being straight up misrepresented and lied about, while WAR testers are saying good things. I'm not worried at all. In any case, open beta will start soon and all these fears can be laid to rest.
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Most of the open beta players will be having so much fun in tier one rvr that will not even care about getting above L11.
I think WoW's trial is also level 10, but he's right, you can't trade or use the Auction House. I guess it was to stop the gold-farmers from using free accounts to do business.
My senses detect great fanboism in this thread.
We will see what happens when hatebois join the fun.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ArticleID=9501
[quote]Any of you lucky enough to have gotten a spot in Blizzard's coveted World of Warcraft beta will be pleased to hear that the Maximum level has now been raised to 39.[/quote]
level cap in wow beta.
if any of you guys are over the age of 18 you should be ashamed. infact if war's community is going to be like this im sticking with eve.
so
It aint AoC. I think that is all anybody needs to know at this point.
Reality testing is based on facts not belief. Just because something might be true doesn't make it true.
Well first, this isn't about testing. It's about having a reasonable expectation. Secondly, if you think testers don't learn from experince and have to relearn/observe/test everything from the ground up you're crazy.
You'll have to try another strwman argument.
Reality testing is about unrealistic expectations which are normally claimed to be "reasonable expectations".
Thank you for finding that.
I have never been a part of an Open Beta that did not have a cap on either content available for testing, or a lvl cap.
Its standard operating procedure for any AAA title. WoW did it, EQ2 did it, etc etc...
The difference between AoC and WAR is that WAR is actually dropping the NDA a full month before the game goes live, which means that if there is any glaring problems with the game, everyone and their brother will know about it, and be able to avoid the game if thats the case.
Thats something AoC didn't do, for obvious reasons. If your game isnt finished, you cant be letting people tell others that, it would be bad for business. WAR is showing that they have confidence in their game, and keeping their word.. Mark said that if a game wont release its NDA at least a month before the game is released, it has something to hide. I guess WAR doesnt have anything to hide....
In AoC 1-20 was good, 20-40 was decent, 40-80 was unfinished.
I'm definitely seeing it.
How do you know ?
p.s. Dont get me wrong i wish war have huge success.
Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]
The reason they are only allowing people to get to Level 20 is because there should be a reachable level (to do RvR). Open Beta is not long enough for players to level up to Level 40 and do RvR. It's just done to force them to play against enemy players (what their game is all about).
So if we got like more than 50% of the people, we can see some large-scale RvR in tier2, rather than people from all sorts of levels, not trying out RvR.
Just my 2 cents
Waaagh!
No thats a little harsh. Besides, it is similar to what AoC's open beta had. I think why they are doing this because they will still be testing the upper levels (specifically tier 3 and 4) when open beta starts. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there were another group of beta testers that tested all the content before the rest of the beta testers did. The main thing to remember is that the NDA will be dropping well before the release of the game, which shows that Mythic has faith in their product and will not deceive it's player base.
No thats a little harsh. Besides, it is similar to what AoC's open beta had. I think why they are doing this because they will still be testing the upper levels (specifically tier 3 and 4) when open beta starts. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there were another group of beta testers that tested all the content before the rest of the beta testers did. The main thing to remember is that the NDA will be dropping well before the release of the game, which shows that Mythic has faith in their product and will not deceive it's player base.
ding ding ding we have a winner!
To think closed beta players, especially those who have been in for a long time have not tested high end content by now is flat out ignorant.
That's what Funcom told us closed beta testers when we asked why we weren't able to test out sieges, among other things.
Although I doubt WAR will be anywhere near the fiasco AoC turned out to be, it's still a shaky PR move considering recent events.
except Beta testers have been testing out Sieges for WAR..its even listed on the War Herald. If you look back atleast twice its said Testers are working on end game content including City Sieges.
As I said, I doubt WAR will be anywhere as bad as AoC. I have no doubt testers are working on high level sieges and such, especially since I don't see the flood of NDA breaking "beware" posts as we seen with AoC. But after the AoC bullshit, PR wise the 20 cap can cause trouble. Just look at this thread for example.
That's what Funcom told us closed beta testers when we asked why we weren't able to test out sieges, among other things.
Although I doubt WAR will be anywhere near the fiasco AoC turned out to be, it's still a shaky PR move considering recent events.
except Beta testers have been testing out Sieges for WAR..its even listed on the War Herald. If you look back atleast twice its said Testers are working on end game content including City Sieges.
As I said, I doubt WAR will be anywhere as bad as AoC. I have no doubt testers are working on high level sieges and such, especially since I don't see the flood of NDA breaking "beware" posts as we seen with AoC. But after the AoC bullshit, PR wise the 20 cap can cause trouble. Just look at this thread for example.
Why is it so hard for people to understand that the lvl cap in OB is COMMON PRACTICE for MMOs? LOTRO, EQ2, WoW, ect... have all done it. This is not exclusive to AoC, this happens in the majority of MMOs.
Is it really that hard to get?
Well here is the rub... Nobody said AoC was gonna be missing anything prior to releases. Beta testers said it was all good and amazing Avery was everywhere expounding how he had seen it all. So like I said this thread is NO different from the AoC threads and we all know how that turned out. So the prudent course of action is to wait and see....
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Ethion
No, not really that hard to get. So long as you're not saying AoC was in any form redeemable.
Waiting on Warhammer.
I have read and reviewed most of the posts here and surprised that there aren't as many trolls as I suspected, having been started by one. I trust Mythic (regardless of EA) to have a thoroughly well done game from launch. They've tried so hard from the very beginning to inform the public what major strides they've had. The monthly podcasts began to be more interesting than WoW's patches, for God's sake.
It's been said before here: nothing could be worse than AoC's launch. Paul'd say it himself: "Evil Marketing." And even if the end-game isn't completely done like most games, I don't care. Most of us have seen a visible effort to make the game better through Closed Beta, why sh*t their pants after Open Beta and giggle at us like immature babies? Naw. Takes trust and I'm happy I got some, much like others here.
I've not been in any testing or developing of the game thus far. Just an avid listener and watcher. I'm trying to keep my mind neutral on the subject so I don't overglorify or overpredict a game that's not out, but... Really, it couldn't matter now. Personally just hate WoW now and never found a fancy from any other MMO.
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Sniper is another term for unorthodox surgeon.
Reality testing is based on facts not belief. Just because something might be true doesn't make it true.
Well first, this isn't about testing. It's about having a reasonable expectation. Secondly, if you think testers don't learn from experince and have to relearn/observe/test everything from the ground up you're crazy.
You'll have to try another strwman argument.
Reality testing is about unrealistic expectations which are normally claimed to be "reasonable expectations".
You are like some fortune oriental proverb... I got no idea what you are saying... So I'll just say uhhu...
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Ethion
Hey at least they are gonna let us have some fun
WoWs is like lvl 20 and you cant trade with people.
These are trials and are in place to prevent gold farming and/or to minimize what needs to be downloaded to actually play.
These games didn't limit the levels on open beta at all. I've never seen a major game that limited the level in open beta but like trials I can actually maybe understand it if they are trying to save money by stripping the client download down to make it smaller. This is the only thing that might make this make sense. AoC was BS though since they were obviously hiding things. I guess we just need to wait and see what War actually is like. I'm kinda bummed to you can't even trust online gaming sites since they appear to only play for 15 minutes before reviewing the game. AoC had amazing reviews....
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Ethion
WoWs is like lvl 20 and you cant trade with people.
These are trials and are in place to prevent gold farming and/or to minimize what needs to be downloaded to actually play.
These games didn't limit the levels on open beta at all. I've never seen a major game that limited the level in open beta but like trials I can actually maybe understand it if they are trying to save money by stripping the client download down to make it smaller. This is the only thing that might make this make sense. AoC was BS though since they were obviously hiding things. I guess we just need to wait and see what War actually is like. I'm kinda bummed to you can't even trust online gaming sites since they appear to only play for 15 minutes before reviewing the game. AoC had amazing reviews....
Again, a poster 2 pages back posted an excerpt about WoW beta mentioning the max lvl reachable by testers was raised to 39. Last I checked, max lvl in WoW was never 39.
EQ2 had a lvl cap for Open Beta. As did LOTR.
Your statements are false, and you have been shown how they are false. Continuing to repost them simply shows that you have no interest in telling the truth, simply spreading lies and misinformation... for whatever reason.
WoWs is like lvl 20 and you cant trade with people.
These are trials and are in place to prevent gold farming and/or to minimize what needs to be downloaded to actually play.
These games didn't limit the levels on open beta at all. I've never seen a major game that limited the level in open beta but like trials I can actually maybe understand it if they are trying to save money by stripping the client download down to make it smaller. This is the only thing that might make this make sense. AoC was BS though since they were obviously hiding things. I guess we just need to wait and see what War actually is like. I'm kinda bummed to you can't even trust online gaming sites since they appear to only play for 15 minutes before reviewing the game. AoC had amazing reviews....
Myself and many others have now listed 3-4 high profile MMOs released in the past 3~ years that have had OB level capped. You cannot really be this thick-headed.
I really hope WAR does good, i want a new game, but with this many ppl already trying to defend it on what is it day 1 of OB? ( that you had to pre order to get it....that was just dumb) I will be waiting a long time after release to see if its worth getting. I kinda think most of the ppl that were going to buy it pre ordered it anyways hoping to get in first and now thats been capped too. So glad i didnt pre order.
I'm surprised this comparison is even being made. If you read the leak sites for AoC and WAR you know the difference is night and day. The testers said AoC was not done and alot of the features were being straight up misrepresented and lied about, while WAR testers are saying good things. I'm not worried at all. In any case, open beta will start soon and all these fears can be laid to rest.
AoC hid a lot of its content (or lack thereof) in the levels above 20.
WAR lets you do things right out the gate without making you wait till end game.
You will be able to test a lot with or without the level cap. I don't think its the same situation.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.