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Ghost training to be removed
schawo
Member Posts: 135
in EVE Online
myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp
Its time to bid farewell to EVE.
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BAD decision ever same they made on Chinese server
f**k you CCP
also many ppl take a break from eve put a long skill and 2 months make other things when skill end ppl pay the game and come back
many ppl wont come back whit this thing
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if they are going to do this then they should decrease the amount of some of some skill training. instead of say 30 days its 18 or something.
bad idea on ccp part. they have become greedy and mony hungry.
they have let there success get to them.
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Been looking for a reason to quit this game for good. Before I would come back because something good would train (like Heavy Drone Op V). Now I won't have a reason to return anymore.
I don't see the problem with this; We were used to it as it was convenient, but not logical. Would you level up in WOW while your account is inactive? ofcourse not. But people rather not use logic and reasoning if that interferes with wanting/having more.
So what? this will make you leave a game?
Think about it for ages people have been moaning about CCp not doing anything about the isk farmers and charcter farmers which arent doing the game any good..
Having to pay to train will cut down on these activities, yeah it may also be a money grab, anyone been watching the news lately about the economic situation in Iceland (where CCP is based)?? Ok the current economic condition could also be a reason against the move but again think about it...
Maybe the devs didnt want people to have multiple accounts like many do now and leave 'alts' accounts inactive to train while playing on another in some ways this will even the playing field, also could argue that for a while that newer players will be disadvantaged by not being able to ghost train but how else could it be done?
I think long term this could be a good move for the game, less people using alts and concertrating on the one account, would mean more people would have to rely on others to do the other things in the game, after all it is a multiplayer game remember.....
While I can see the reasons against it, it is mainly people moaning about something being taken away, but seriously think before you speak / write / rant / moan
shhh... you might wake the trolls
haha CCP sucks, and I hope all their fish will die in that stupid tank on the 1st day.
BAD decision ever same they made on Chinese server
f**k you CCP
also many ppl take a break from eve put a long skill and 2 months make other things when skill end ppl pay the game and come back
many ppl wont come back whit this thing
Ok, let me get this straight! You want to tell CCP go to F themselves because people have been taking advantage of a bug thats been in there for years? Seriously, do you think you should get to stop PAYING for your account for 2 months while your skill still trains? Thats the most stupid thing I have ever heard! While I hate using real life to justify anything in game, I can in this instance as its not so much about in game things. You go to a gas station (that you been going to for a year now) and fill up your tank. You drive it around till its empty then go back and tell them they should give you more gas because you been filling up your tank there for a year and deserve it. See how fast they kick your butt out of there.
And if you dont like that analogy. Lets use another game. You been playing AOC for two months. Your level 40. You decide to take a break. What happens when you come back? Your still 40 with the exact same skills you had before you left. You earned nothing new. Do you think you should petition to get a level increase because you paid for the game and quit and then decided to come back?
To be honest, I am surprised they have let this go on as long as they have. I would wager that its probably cost them a fair amount of money letting people get away with that over the years. The skill system that eve has is a brilliant one. If you really want to get high level skills you have to be willing to pay for it. I mean, come on, you dont even have to be online for your skills to increase, you just have to have an ACTIVE account. Their skills are not gained by you actually using them. its a brilliant system to keep people paying money.
heck, I have been training for the last 3 months and have only logged in to change skills. I haven't even actually played it in that time. Right now, I am simply paying for the ability that when I start playing again, my skills will have risen to where I want them to be.
many ppl take a break from eve put a long skill and 2 months make other things when skill end ppl pay the game and come back
many ppl wont come back whit this thing
This is something that will hit most people, I know way too many that have set a skill and decided to take a break knowing they wont be behind the curve if they come back.
Knowing that I AM going to be behind the curve tells me that I shouldn't bother.
Sure, some people will disagree, after all this is all opinion based. I, however, happen to know of many many people who do this.
No reason in arguing it, simply state your opinions so that CCP or others can get an idea of what outcome may occur because of this.
DoomsDay,
Get it right they are now saying it is a bug but the manual clearly states it is a game mechanic. within the game design. It is even in a previous posters sig. Do some research before posting. Learn to read it will help you in life.
Oh because someone has something in their sig we should just believe it. Please show me where it says in any manual that ccp has written that states learning skills while your not paying for the account is within the game design. I certainly couldn't find such a thing. There are lots of messages where people state that they feel this was within the games design but nothing in any manual created by CCP. I figure the best you will be able to come up with is some obscure post possibly by an employee that said it was ok , but guess what, people make mistakes and the person probably overstepped his authority if he stated it.
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LOL, stupid humans, they will believe anything if its written on the internet!
Hey DoomsDay01...notice the fact that this is on the official EVE Online website...scroll down to "How To Train Skills", and read the first sentence under the "some skills can't be trained on trial accounts" graphic.
That's what "inactive" means.
Hey DoomsDay01...notice the fact that this is on the official EVE Online website...scroll down to "How To Train Skills", and read the first sentence under the "some skills can't be trained on trial accounts" graphic.
That's what "inactive" means.
It onlys says that inactive accounts can continue to train the skill until it is ready.
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."
They acknowledge it works, but that is also the only that part does.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
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Well DoomsDay,
Guess Inhibitor proved my point for me, I would not post if I was not absolutely sure. So maybe you can change your sig to:
I am the noob of the world, I owe everyone an apology for blindly posting. I wil start now.
This change only affects people who grow characters to sell. At least in any meaningful way.
Despite what may have been said now and in the past I really don't see what the uproar is about.
Ok so now you cant stop paying for Eve and still skill train, thats cool.
Tbh it was stupid that they let people train while accounts weren't active anyway.
I'm sorry but if you're training your character you should be paying CCP the person the decided ghost training was ok for this long should be fired cause now a bunch of people that don't really want to play eve will leave since they cant pay for one month and train for free the next two and so on.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
This won't make me leave EVE, but it will make it harder to come back. Ghost training is all about coming back after taking a break. It's like a "Welcome Back!" present.
Nice move CCP.
You guys make me sick, you're all getting upset that you have to actually pay CCP for skill training?
Eve isn't a F2p game get over it.
First you guys complain about ambulation, then complain CCP is putting to much focus on pve, then compain about certificates cause you don't want new players to have it easier, now you bitch cause you can't train your ten accounts for free.
its pathetic.
Edit: for some reason at work i tossed blizzards name in this post instead of CCPs. sorry about that
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
The thing here is that, this has been a feature since the game launched, and now it's suddenly a "bug" and going to get removed, something is just not right here. I won't quite because of this, but when i take breaks i'll probably have less to look forward to, since now long skills wont be finished.
Hey DoomsDay01...notice the fact that this is on the official EVE Online website...scroll down to "How To Train Skills", and read the first sentence under the "some skills can't be trained on trial accounts" graphic.
That's what "inactive" means.
ok, I normaly don't do this but: PWNT!!
carry on
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This post was pure nonsense. No one in the EVE forums barely even mentions WoW. go back to general with that drama please
Hey DoomsDay01...notice the fact that this is on the official EVE Online website...scroll down to "How To Train Skills", and read the first sentence under the "some skills can't be trained on trial accounts" graphic.
That's what "inactive" means.
ok, I normaly don't do this but: PWNT!!
carry on
Wait with that pwnt thing.
The link (of wich I quoted earlier) doesn't answer DoomsDay01's statement and question.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
In an epic attempt of damage control CCP has now removed the comments about training skills when account is inactive and has also disabled their account page people who have decided to quit can not. You guys still think they are an honest group? As you all have said earlier if you don't like it quit, well they won't even let me do that.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=592
Top right corner.
I'm noticing a certain increase in alt posters.
I'll just repost the statements of someone else I agree with because I'm not going to put the effort anymore in deconstructing these idiotic arguments in support of this change.
Ok Imma sum up all the reasons why ending "Ghost Training" is dumb right here so people can refer to them all in one big tl;dr:
1. It has been referred to as a feature of the game.
See any of the twenty posts in the first pages of the Dev Blog discussion thread for a link to the Player Guide. Obviously, in addition to being a contributing factor to people subscribing to the game (the cancellation of which will obviously result in canceled accounts and possible loss of future customers), this also spells out that CCP is being intentionally deceitful as to their reasons for terminating "Ghost Training."
2. Because a player works in Eve to make money, not to gain skill points, there is no undue advantage provided to inactive accounts.
In Eve, skill points are acquired by clicking a button, then coming back in a few days to click another button and train a different skill. There is no hard work involved. Instead, work in Eve is used to acquire ISK, which can even be used to bypass the timesink that is skill training by purchasing more advanced characters. A good metaphor is that of two players, Todd and Frank. Todd lets his account lapse training Carrier V, while Frank keeps it subscribed while training the same skill. However, over the course of a month, Frank works hard to earn Isk. At the end of the month, both characters can fly a carrier, but Frank, having worked hard and paid his subscription, actually has the carrier.
3. CCP gains more money from the subscriptions of multiple sporadically subscribed "Ghost Training" accounts than a single perpetually subscribed account.
This one is simple math: let's return to Todd and Frank. Todd runs two accounts over a year, both of which are lapsed and "Ghost Training" for three months out of the year, while Frank runs a single account subscribed for the entire year. Assuming they both pay in one month intervals of 14.99 per month:
Todd's Accounts: 179.40 * 0.75 * 2 = 269.10
Frank's Account: 179.40 * 1.00 * 1 = 179.40
Therefore, in addition to not being played for three months out of the year (thus reducing strain on CCP's servers, however little), Todd's two "Ghost Training" accounts bring in more money than Frank's single perma-subscribed account.
There are other reasons, but most of them are on a case-by-case basis, and I figure three massively glaring flaws should be enough to warrant a change of plans.
Further TL;DR:
Preventing "Ghost Training" is bad for CCP. Many accounts are cancelled and some accounts are never created at all, resulting in less money.
Preventing "Ghost Training" is bad for players. The true advantage in "Ghost Training" is given to permanently subscribed players, who are constantly earning Isk and making more money than "Ghost Training" players, while gaining skill points at the same rate.
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That last thing is what is interesting. Also in mind that what the original poster of this, the conclusion made, is something that CCP also can come up with. I mean noone is stupider then oneself, really they are not. Why are they doing this.
Point 3 is the most obvious one. They are not doing it for the money.
Point 1 and 2 maybe could be developed further.
But... Why is this, CCP does these things over and over again. They are repeating themself. It is almost as one could think that they are doing it for the publicity. And a 3rd time around with the same thing done the last 2 years wouldn't be "original" anymore.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
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