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Ghost training to be removed

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  • LirananLiranan Member Posts: 126

    The thread got cloaked for a few hours yesterday, it's jumped 20 pages already.

  • mrcalhoumrcalhou Member UncommonPosts: 1,444

    University? Eve? University? Eve? GUILD WARS!

    I liked how I could ghost my account to train the long skills. I espicially love how they are doing this around mid-terms (though I'm sure the majority of players aren't even in university). It's not like I was making ISK...

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  • JaszJasz Member UncommonPosts: 67

    Hehe..I read the posts on official forums as they came up and as they got deleted and hid. CCP finally did something that my wife has tried to do for years. They found a way for me to quit EVE Online.

    I'm done..cancelled. I play EVE as a side game (after you put years into the game its really the only way to play without ever getting bored) and I renew to train and play for a month then i let a skill go for a while then repeat the process.

    People like myself who still found a way to have fun with EVE after a couple years are now robbed of the reason they still play. You want to train and get better. Without the chance of getting better while I'm off there is no reason for me to renew.

    Goodbye EVE...Good Luck CCP

    With the Gallente nerfs and now this...EVE just isn't worth the money anymore.

  • erkinbabaerkinbaba Member UncommonPosts: 79

    The thread is not closed ( yet ).

     myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp

     

    So many people will be upset for this. I wish to see current subs graphics to compare with next month.

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Liranan


    The thread got cloaked for a few hours yesterday, it's jumped 20 pages already.



     

    it's ghosted again....  the sticky at the top can't be replied to, nor can the other similarly named topics be replied to.

     

    wow.  just wow.

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • DoomsDay01DoomsDay01 Member UncommonPosts: 783
    Originally posted by Inhibitor

    Originally posted by DoomsDay01


    Please show me where it says in any manual that ccp has written that states learning skills while your not paying for the account is within the game design.

     

    Hey DoomsDay01...notice the fact that this is on the official EVE Online website...scroll down to "How To Train Skills", and read the first sentence under the "some skills can't be trained on trial accounts" graphic.

    That's what "inactive" means.

     

    Hey I am more than man enough to admit my mistake. I actually looked at that page and missed it. So I guess  he was right in that I need to learn to read better lol. However, I still dont fault them for changing it if they want to. I been playing this game for several years off and on and have never actually took advantage of that feature.

     

    Still though, All you people seriously need to send me all your money. It did say so in my sig! :)

  • LirananLiranan Member Posts: 126
    Originally posted by damian7 it's ghosted again....  the sticky at the top can't be replied to, nor can the other similarly named topics be replied to.

     

    wow.  just wow.

     

    HEHE, CCP have learned well from Sony.

  • Z3R01Z3R01 Member UncommonPosts: 2,426

    Guys If you're going to quit the game because you don't think you should have to pay to train characters then we don't need you.

    Personally CCP should have gotten rid of this known bug a few years ago.

    If you don't pay you can't train, it's simple really.

    The people that truely love this game won't cancel thier main account anyway.

    Playing: Nothing

    Looking forward to: Nothing 


  • DarwaDarwa Member UncommonPosts: 2,181
    Originally posted by Evgireon


    haha CCP sucks, and I hope all their fish will die in that stupid tank on the 1st day.

     

    I've no idea what the hell you're talking about, but somehow it seems to fit in perfectly.

  • PatchDayPatchDay Member Posts: 1,641
    Originally posted by Minsc

    Originally posted by PatchDay

    Originally posted by Enkindu

    Originally posted by Liranan

    Originally posted by Enkindu

    Things like this are just part of a constantly growing mountain of evidence that more and more people have no sense of personal honor or the desire to do the right thing JUST BECAUSE it's the right thing to do.  All people care about is what they can get away with. Okay, you can get back to the whinefest now. 

     

    CCP need to do something about the public relations and other things (favouritism that still takes place in game) but what Enkidu said is what has gotten the players pissed off.



     

    You do realize I was referring to the players that unfairly exploited the system here? CCP has every right not to continue to offer you services if you STOP PAYING THEM.  The players were working the system in a manner that was obviously (to me) unethical.. which is why I never did it.  Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.  The more I look over this thread, the more the current screwed up state of the world makes sense to me...



    No one exploited the system. You cannot exploit a system that people openly discussed on the forums for years. Also, it was in the player guides

    In the player guide it claimed this was a feature now they claim it was a bug

     

    Lastly, people like me honestly were burned out on the game. Left the game. But naturally before we left, we set a long training skill. It's common sense. It was in the guide. But then the long skill popped and we were naturally tempted to return to tryout the new ship or whatever ability we gained

     

     

     

    It was never an INTENDED feature of the game, it just happened to work that way. CCP was asked many times in dev chats (usually with relation to a skill queue question) whether they were going to stop it or not and there answer was NOT YET. There was never a promise that it would continue forever.

    The problem is that players got used to it and it became more well known so in turn more people exploited the loophole until they couldn't ignore it anymore.

    It's quite likely that the isk sellers started to abuse it en masse churning out cap-ship pilots to sell and CCP had no choice but to close the hole.

    You got a free lunch for 5+ years with them not fixing this little bug but it's over. Deal with it or don't but this whinage is embarrassing.

     

    Lies, in many game dev interviews with CCP they claimed it was a FEATURE. It was in the player guides.

     

  • MinscMinsc Member UncommonPosts: 1,353

    I've read every dev chat and interview they've done and it's NEVER been claimed as a feature

  • LirananLiranan Member Posts: 126
    Originally posted by Minsc


    I've read every dev chat and interview they've done and it's NEVER been claimed as a feature

     

    True but it is on several EVE posters, so it has been used as an advertising tool and it is or was on the site as a feature. So until this week it WAS a feature.

  • MinscMinsc Member UncommonPosts: 1,353
    Originally posted by Liranan

    Originally posted by Minsc


    I've read every dev chat and interview they've done and it's NEVER been claimed as a feature

     

    True but it is on several EVE posters, so it has been used as an advertising tool and it is or was on the site as a feature. So until this week it WAS a feature.



     

    What do you mean it's on several EVE posters? I've never seen it mentioned on one, or did you mean Dev posts?

  • LirananLiranan Member Posts: 126
    Originally posted by PatchDay Lies, in many game dev interviews with CCP they claimed it was a FEATURE. It was in the player guides.

     

     

    LIES!!! I am going to spam the forums until everyone agrees with me that I can spam the best and aggrevate people. I will never give up my belief that it was never a feature, despite it being advertised on the website as being such. MUMMYYYYY the big bad people are picking on me

     

    All those saying that it was never a feature need to go troll elsewhere.

    Troll this http://i34.tinypic.com/5eycn5.jpg

    Here is a better screenshot of the page before it got changed http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0810/isabug.jpg

     

  • MinscMinsc Member UncommonPosts: 1,353

    That does not specifically say that it's a feature. Man people are pointing to that part of the playerguide because it's the single shred of evidence that they have to cling to. Just because it's in the player guide does not make it a feature.

  • PatchDayPatchDay Member Posts: 1,641

    Fine then, it was never an intended feature and perhaps the documentation writer got it wrong.

    I can honestly say I already canceled before this announcement though. Time to move on to better games.

     

    For now theme park > Sandbox because I find WAR much more interesting for the time being. Thank you CCP for turning sandbox into an eternal grind for ISK

    Then again, WAR is really just more of the same so it might be back to consoles/PC for me for awhile until EVE gets a good expansion / patch that really adds more content. Just that this time, my avatar will be even further behind the constantly rising curve so I might not bother returning. Who knows though.

  • PatchDayPatchDay Member Posts: 1,641
    Originally posted by Z3R01


    Guys If you're going to quit the game because you don't think you should have to pay to train characters then we don't need you.
    Personally CCP should have gotten rid of this known bug a few years ago.
    If you don't pay you can't train, it's simple really.
    The people that truely love this game won't cancel thier main account anyway.

     

    Yeah but a lot of people might be killing off their alts. So it will take time to see if this affects their max concurrent players ratio

    Others, like myself, that habitually grow tired of the game will no longer have a reason to revisit unless their is some big expansion. Before, there was an incentive to return. That much is undeniable. I know many people that only returned because something good popped

  • DelamekoDelameko Member Posts: 200

    I think they should have just turned it off without telling anyone.  It'd have been a month or two until anyone noticed... and would they have said anything?  I always felt it was an exploit and would have kept my mouth shut.

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Minsc


    That does not specifically say that it's a feature. Man people are pointing to that part of the playerguide because it's the single shred of evidence that they have to cling to. Just because it's in the player guide does not make it a feature.

     

    really?  so if it's a bug; then, why did ccp "fix" this bug once before, only to quickly reimplement this 'non-feature' into the game when they saw how much money it cost them?

     

    why would you take something OUT of the game only to put it back in (for years), if it was not a feature?

     

    just because someone posts something, and has NOTHING factual to back their posting -- that does not mean that any thinking person has to give ANY credence whatsoever to the non-factual posting.

     

    where are your facts to support your side of this story?

     

    put up or shut up, por favor.   thank you.

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Z3R01


    Guys If you're going to quit the game because you don't think you should have to pay to train characters then we don't need you.
    Personally CCP should have gotten rid of this known bug a few years ago.
    If you don't pay you can't train, it's simple really.
    The people that truely love this game won't cancel thier main account anyway.

     

    i, personally, pay for the equivalent of 3.5 - 4 years of gameplay time in eve, per actual year.  or i did.  i'll either be paying for 1 year now, or 0.  and odds are, instead of taking the smaller portions (which cost more), i'll be subbing the single account for the cheapest available.

     

    so, ccp is losing quite a bit from just me, on this idiotic change.

     

    how much is your opinion worth to ccp?  how much money do you bring to them yearly? 

     

    again, if it was a bug, then why did ccp "get rid of it" a long time ago, only to quickly bring it back?  what kind of company intentionally introduces bugs BACK into a game and then markets them as unique game features that are intended to extend the longevity of a player's sub?

     

     

    seriously, people supportting this, read thru the thread and come up with either factual, or logical, reasonings other than "hey, i'm very important, i can post on da intarw3bZ0rzs and that means i don't have to have factual information -- my posting is GOD."

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by PatchDay


    Fine then, it was never an intended feature and perhaps the documentation writer got it wrong.
    I can honestly say I already canceled before this announcement though. Time to move on to better games.
     
    For now theme park > Sandbox because I find WAR much more interesting for the time being. Thank you CCP for turning sandbox into an eternal grind for ISK
    Then again, WAR is really just more of the same so it might be back to consoles/PC for me for awhile until EVE gets a good expansion / patch that really adds more content. Just that this time, my avatar will be even further behind the constantly rising curve so I might not bother returning. Who knows though.

     

    the thinking you present in that last paragraph is EXACTLY why ccp has kept this feature as part of the game for all of these years.   even if you go to training a 60+ day skill... when you come back, you have that groovy new skill.  what are the odds that you'll play even longer THIS time around, because your toon is mo betta...

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • PatchDayPatchDay Member Posts: 1,641

     I can understand how it was perhaps a "bug" when you first made the MMO. Then you rolled it out and saw how angry the fans become when you "fix" it- then you have to put it back in. At some point guys be real, it becomes a "feature"

    City of Heroes - Statesman pulled this with Issue 4/5 claiming it was never intended for Controllers to have like what 8-9 pets? But come on your game had this 'feature' for so long its not really a bug. Not when people become attached to a certian feature

     

    I don't appreciate this BS I exploited the game all because I did the ghost train. I guess one day I'll be an exploiter for buying a GTC and trading that legally for ISK if thats a bug. And I'll be an exploiter for killing someone in high sec. And so on... so on.....

     

    Why can a dev let something be ingame for years and years then one day raise up and claim everyone is exploiting their game and cheating others? All we all ever did all this long time was click a button to train a skill. The ISK grind is so insane trust me leaving -> returning is not a profitable venture. You gotta rebuy insurance for T1 BS all that jazz

     

    yeah, yeah, I'm gonna keep crying just like everyone else on official. Thats why they got bout 500 pages of rants on their boards collectively now

  • SoraellionSoraellion Member UncommonPosts: 558

    Stop whining like a 5 yearold for his cookie. The jar is closed and out of reach, no more cookies. Better get used to it because no amounts of tantrums, foot stamping or "logic" will work.

    Daddy's had enough of you eating cookies now and then without doing your chores first.

     

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Soraellion


    Stop whining like a 5 yearold for his cookie. The jar is closed and out of reach, no more cookies. Better get used to it.

     

    the entirety of this thread -- you missed it?

     

    question - did ccp remove this feature before?

    yes

    question - did ccp then reintroduce the feature a short time after they removed it?

    yes

     

     

    please, post something factual and not just trolling silliness.

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by PatchDay


     I can understand how it was perhaps a "bug" when you first made the MMO. Then you rolled it out and saw how angry the fans become when you "fix" it- then you have to put it back in. At some point guys be real, it becomes a "feature"
    City of Heroes - Statesman pulled this with Issue 4/5 claiming it was never intended for Controllers to have like what 8-9 pets? But come on your game had this 'feature' for so long its not really a bug. Not when people become attached to a certian feature
     
    I don't appreciate this BS I exploited the game all because I did the ghost train. I guess one day I'll be an exploiter for buying a GTC and trading that legally for ISK if thats a bug. And I'll be an exploiter for killing someone in high sec. And so on... so on.....
     
    Why can a dev let something be ingame for years and years then one day raise up and claim everyone is exploiting their game and cheating others? All we all ever did all this long time was click a button to train a skill. The ISK grind is so insane trust me leaving -> returning is not a profitable venture. You gotta rebuy insurance for T1 BS all that jazz
     
    yeah, yeah, I'm gonna keep crying just like everyone else on official. Thats why they got bout 500 pages of rants on their boards collectively now

     

    the problem... is that it wasn't some ccp employees (plural) spawning t2 bpos, scouting out systems invisibly during wars, artificially lowering system capacity in an attempt to keep a cap ship producing base alive, etc.  or desync and massive lag which doesn't really exist.

     

    then it'd just be swept under the rug... ignored.  posts deleted and/or hidden.

     

     

    oh wait.

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

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