Not that graphics are going to make this game, gameplay will, but those most certainly shows the game is a bit long in the tooth graphics wise. If you are impressed by those graphics, you have not played any MMO in the last 5 years at all. Still waiting for beta to start. Hopefully it will be soon or we won't see the game this year.
Ok., I'm going to do a little timeline of the evolution of MMO graphics, then marked which games failed, maybe make it more apparent that the graphics are A) fine, and that graphics don't make much difference.
EverQuest 1, 1999
Dark Age of Camelot, 2001
Dark Age of Camelot after a graphics upgrade in 2003.
World of Warcraft, 2004, a graphical downgrade and biggest success so far in MMOs
People tried to return to good graphics, and both games with the best graphics on the market failed out of the gate.
Vanguard
Age of Conan
Return to lackluster graphics = second biggest success in MMO history
With amzing side effects of keeping the right people away as bonus on top
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Its all about the game play Signus not the graphics. The way it looks and feels enhances the core. Darkfall's current models and animation don't help at all. The thing is its still in beta and I know that especially animations are some of the last things to be touched up. Personally if they can fix the fluidness of movement then I am not bothered how the game looks.
I am more interested in if they can support 10k people at once like promised. If they have to be a bit antiquated to get there then so be it so long as they do.
Originally posted by Freefalling
Originally posted by ghoul31
Its based on Lord of the rings? What the hell are they talking about?
Technically all fantasy based MMOs are based on JRR Tolkien's work. Tolkein started everything there is to do with fantasy. He was simply making a reference that most people would connect with.
That would be Robert E Howard and not Tolkien. Howard with Conan and his other heroes created the genre now known as sword-and-sorcery.
I understand the DF dev team is small but Imo they really need to find a way to upgrade that graphics engine. You guys can say Gameplay>Graphics all you want but its a fact that games with shitty graphics turn away potential customers. Just ask the AO devs if bad graphics don't hurt a game. I'm going to play this but the graphics almost totally kill it for me.
Graphics may turn away potential customers but gameplay and content keep those that gave it a try.. I'll use Age of Conan as an example here, awesome graphics, yet it's the second worst game i've ever played content wise. (for those that are wondering GuildWars is top of my worst content games)
I dont know about that Guildwars is like Diablo with a city hub instead of a chat lobby I don't consider it a MMO.
Anyway, Even if DF has amazing gameplay if graphics are really bad people wont even give it a shot.
I use AO as an example since its actually an extremely good game features wise and is ahead of a bunch of these wow clones with the exception of graphics. The graphics are the reason that game has 25k subs the gameplay doesn't matter if players can't stay logged in more than five minutes due to shoddy graphics.
Right now DF looks like it came out before Half-life 2.
Anarchy Online failed because it had a horrible launch, and the lag made it nearly unplayable.
And Half Life 2 graphics are still great.
I stand corrected HL2 looks cooler than DF sorry.
Hes just a troll who is anti-Darkfall gtfo please
"Outside the dream world, life can be harsh--even cruel, but it is life"
I understand the DF dev team is small but Imo they really need to find a way to upgrade that graphics engine. You guys can say Gameplay>Graphics all you want but its a fact that games with shitty graphics turn away potential customers. Just ask the AO devs if bad graphics don't hurt a game. I'm going to play this but the graphics almost totally kill it for me.
Graphics may turn away potential customers but gameplay and content keep those that gave it a try.. I'll use Age of Conan as an example here, awesome graphics, yet it's the second worst game i've ever played content wise. (for those that are wondering GuildWars is top of my worst content games)
I dont know about that Guildwars is like Diablo with a city hub instead of a chat lobby I don't consider it a MMO.
Anyway, Even if DF has amazing gameplay if graphics are really bad people wont even give it a shot.
I use AO as an example since its actually an extremely good game features wise and is ahead of a bunch of these wow clones with the exception of graphics. The graphics are the reason that game has 25k subs the gameplay doesn't matter if players can't stay logged in more than five minutes due to shoddy graphics.
Right now DF looks like it came out before Half-life 2.
Anarchy Online failed because it had a horrible launch, and the lag made it nearly unplayable.
And Half Life 2 graphics are still great.
I stand corrected HL2 looks cooler than DF sorry.
Hes just a troll who is anti-Darkfall gtfo please
I wouldn't go as far as calling him a troll, he's sharing his opinions from his view thats all.. without CONSTRUCTIVE criticism there is no true discussion, he even apologised to a wrongful statement he made which to me shows character...
Although he does seem to view graphics as a strong factor in games i believe it's just his opinion and what he'd like (as well as some others around from what i've seen) but i reccon he'll be one to at least give it a try.
Well it is kinda the darkfalls community fault for getting the graphics trolls... They are praising it as the best graphics they have EVER seen! Or the most detail! Which is asking for trolling... So there is not much you can do about it. Just get over it or ignore it.... Simple isn't it... Ignore.....
Well it is kinda the darkfalls community fault for getting the graphics trolls... They are praising it as the best graphics they have EVER seen! Or the most detail! Which is asking for trolling... So there is not much you can do about it. Just get over it or ignore it.... Simple isn't it... Ignore.....
Lol no they arnt theres just people that like the style and think the graphics are fine. I havnt seen anyone saying the graphics are absolutely amazing cos obviously they arnt but they are fine for what the game offers.
Started playing mmorpg's in 1996 and have been hooked ever since. It began with Kingdom of Drakkar, Ultima Online, Everquest, DAoC, WoW...
U compare Valve/Sierra HL2 The best game in history to DF's OLD/Outdated probably premade engine? JUST LOL! And if HL2 Engine can powered an MMO i will play that mmo and stop all others! PERIOD!
dfo engine isnt premade it was made from scratch .... guess what we still havent seen full gfx yet for dfo
U compare Valve/Sierra HL2 The best game in history to DF's OLD/Outdated probably premade engine? JUST LOL! And if HL2 Engine can powered an MMO i will play that mmo and stop all others! PERIOD!
Free? It will be free to try but after that a monthly fee. Also the engine has alot of technological advances and techniques used to optimise it for large battles and other features. If you understand what they are trying to accomplish with their engine you would understand its pretty decent actually if everything goes smoothly.
Started playing mmorpg's in 1996 and have been hooked ever since. It began with Kingdom of Drakkar, Ultima Online, Everquest, DAoC, WoW...
First i'm sure the game will looks better in our comps that we can see in the video.
Second, graphics are important and may be can stop someone from playing a game but the game play its a lot more important to me. I'm not going to change my plans of play DFO because the graphics, but its a negative point in my list.
From technichal point of view (details, efects, lights, shadows, 3D...) AoC or LOTRO are really better in my opinion.
I like the artwork in the environment but not the toons designs (PCs and NPCs) i prefer the ones i have been playing the last 4 years, just to name some with very different styles: L2, WoW (and i dont like the cartoon appareance there), LoTRO, AoC.
And i'm sorry to say this but AC2 animations (like 7 years ago) looked better that what i see in the DFO videos (this last one included). i'm not going to compare with more recent games.
I know this is a lot a question of tastes.
Anyway i was guessing DFO graphics are going to be, let me say, just decent and as i said before it's the gameplay (the promised gameplay) what is making me be excited about DFO launch.
So the EXCUSE for bad/outdated GFX is they will allow 10k players in theyr server? ( i live in Greece so ill have better pings lol) Do anybody believe that with the current TCP/SQL games we can do that?
Also do anyone expect that small greek company to DELIVER? When there so many HUGE Companies with billions of $$$ & resources that can't do it? Don't be ignorant people ... come on...
Vast majority of people, especially after the recent video, think the graphics are just fine if not very good.
Its all just opinion, and you have your own, but you cant really argue that its outdated when it is inline with WAR. Art style is different, feel free to complain about that.
But then again you have proven yourself to be a troll on these forums, and not just the DF ones, so im not even sure why im bothering.
I guess just let us ignorant people be ignorant and enjoy our ignorant game. While you keep your super intelligence and keep trolling forums.
Well it is kinda the darkfalls community fault for getting the graphics trolls... They are praising it as the best graphics they have EVER seen! Or the most detail! Which is asking for trolling... So there is not much you can do about it. Just get over it or ignore it.... Simple isn't it... Ignore.....
Lol no they arnt theres just people that like the style and think the graphics are fine. I havnt seen anyone saying the graphics are absolutely amazing cos obviously they arnt but they are fine for what the game offers.
So, no one says that the graphics are amazing, eh?
The man up there has a good point. The DF Fanatics have a lot to be blamed for when it comes to the trolling themselves. Instead of staying positive, they go ballistic and outright outlandishly passionate.
Me personally, I'm not even gonna touch/discuss the graphics of DF until I have seen them for myself.
And as for the advanced AI. I still can't understand how people can claim a little video is -PROOF- of advanced AI. Great...the mob tried to flank a person. Oh wow. That has to mean they have the most advanced AI in the MMO-market. o.O
Stay realistic? The video has been a good boost to Aventurine's credibility. Why not be happy about that instead of overhyping it?
Not that graphics are going to make this game, gameplay will, but those most certainly shows the game is a bit long in the tooth graphics wise. If you are impressed by those graphics, you have not played any MMO in the last 5 years at all. Still waiting for beta to start. Hopefully it will be soon or we won't see the game this year.
Ok., I'm going to do a little timeline of the evolution of MMO graphics, then marked which games failed, maybe make it more apparent that the graphics are A) fine, and that graphics don't make much difference.
EverQuest 1, 1999
Dark Age of Camelot, 2001
Dark Age of Camelot after a graphics upgrade in 2003.
World of Warcraft, 2004, a graphical downgrade and biggest success so far in MMOs
People tried to return to good graphics, and both games with the best graphics on the market failed out of the gate.
Vanguard
Age of Conan
Return to lackluster graphics = second biggest success in MMO history
But you picked some of the WORST screen shots to try and prove a point... really... and you missed EQ1's graphic update with Shadows Of Luclin....
The Warhammer one is like Alpha Build.. or its with ALL modifiers turned off....
Its one thing to try and back up your statements with evidence.. its another to try and an skew that evidence by picking the WORST possible representation of the subject matter... really doesn't support your arguement at all..
I understand the DF dev team is small but Imo they really need to find a way to upgrade that graphics engine. You guys can say Gameplay>Graphics all you want but its a fact that games with shitty graphics turn away potential customers. Just ask the AO devs if bad graphics don't hurt a game. I'm going to play this but the graphics almost totally kill it for me.
Graphics may turn away potential customers but gameplay and content keep those that gave it a try.. I'll use Age of Conan as an example here, awesome graphics, yet it's the second worst game i've ever played content wise. (for those that are wondering GuildWars is top of my worst content games)
I dont know about that Guildwars is like Diablo with a city hub instead of a chat lobby I don't consider it a MMO.
Anyway, Even if DF has amazing gameplay if graphics are really bad people wont even give it a shot.
I use AO as an example since its actually an extremely good game features wise and is ahead of a bunch of these wow clones with the exception of graphics. The graphics are the reason that game has 25k subs the gameplay doesn't matter if players can't stay logged in more than five minutes due to shoddy graphics.
Right now DF looks like it came out before Half-life 2.
Anarchy Online failed because it had a horrible launch, and the lag made it nearly unplayable.
And Half Life 2 graphics are still great.
I stand corrected HL2 looks cooler than DF sorry.
Hes just a troll who is anti-Darkfall gtfo please
LOL relax, I've already stated that I'm looking forward to DF, just the graphics are a turn off for me.
I want DF to have a good number of subs, if the game looks like it came from 2004 you can bet your ass people wont bother.
I'm a huge Sandbox fan and to call me a troll because I'm saying one negative thing about the game is insane, do you even know what a troll is?
The footage shown is the same footage on the official movie on the Darkfall website. Except the one on the DF website is not a camera looking at a screen, its taken from inside the game.
Trust me, watch THAT movie and the lack of polygons and animation really stands out. The graphics are on a par with the original DAOC screenshot that someone posted earlier.
Btw, make sure you watch it to the VERY end for the "magical hovercrafts" that join in the battle lol.
Yes good graphics don't make a good game on their own. But, people are very fickle and superficial. If the game looks like its 5 years old, then that WILL have a big impact on potential sales and subs.
i feel sorry for DF, because it SOUNDS like it could be fun, but when you see the trailers it makes you whince.
The thing that is puzzling me though is, you look at the official trailer and it looks completely CRAP. However, you look at the screenshots on the website and they look at lot better. So which is the truth and which is the "marketing" strategy? I'm puzzled because no one in their right minds would use THAT video to market the game IF they've been able to screencapture images that look 10x better.
So wheres the movie that coincides with the screenshots on the website? Or are they just "staged"?
I guess its all subjective, but to me the graphics look very good. The animations are clunky and a bit dissapointing, but the art itself is superb imo.
I guess its all subjective, but to me the graphics look very good. The animations are clunky and a bit dissapointing, but the art itself is superb imo.
Yup everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes, nothing wrong with that. I also think the graphics are very good.
What isnt ok is people claiming the graphics are outdated or worse than eq or WAR...when clearly they arent. thats how you tell between the skeptics and flat out trolls.
Im playing WAR right now and hands down the DF graphics are better....IMO!
I guess its all subjective, but to me the graphics look very good. The animations are clunky and a bit dissapointing, but the art itself is superb imo.
Yup everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes, nothing wrong with that. I also think the graphics are very good.
What isnt ok is people claiming the graphics are outdated or worse than eq or WAR...when clearly they arent. thats how you tell between the skeptics and flat out trolls.
Im playing WAR right now and hands down the DF graphics are better....IMO!
Yes. It's wrong for people to claim Graphics are worse than anything else. It#s clearly trolling when someone compares it to EQ1 or DAoC (original) or whatever. Comparing it to WAR etc., I would say is personal preference.
What is also not right is to claim DF is AMAZING graphics and superior to anything else. Other side of the coin. That's how you tell between reasonable followers of the game and fanatic fanbois.
Graphics are decent in my opinion. Lighting Effects and Textures look good from what I can see in the video. Nothing groundbreaking and stunning, but alright so far in my books, though not exactly my taste. Animations need more work IMO.
I guess its all subjective, but to me the graphics look very good. The animations are clunky and a bit dissapointing, but the art itself is superb imo.
Yup everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes, nothing wrong with that. I also think the graphics are very good.
What isnt ok is people claiming the graphics are outdated or worse than eq or WAR...when clearly they arent. thats how you tell between the skeptics and flat out trolls.
Im playing WAR right now and hands down the DF graphics are better....IMO!
Yes. It's wrong for people to claim Graphics are worse than anything else. It#s clearly trolling when someone compares it to EQ1 or DAoC (original) or whatever. Comparing it to WAR etc., I would say is personal preference.
What is also not right is to claim DF is AMAZING graphics and superior to anything else. Other side of the coin. That's how you tell between reasonable followers of the game and fanatic fanbois.
Graphics are decent in my opinion. Lighting Effects and Textures look good from what I can see in the video. Nothing groundbreaking and stunning, but alright so far in my books, though not exactly my taste. Animations need more work IMO.
Depends I guess. I find the enviroment Amazing myself. The ground, the foilage, The planetary system. Those graphics to me are very amazing and much better than most other MMO's. The Char and other graphics are Good, the animation is ok could use work but not a big issue. Again the eviroment and the backgrounds ect are just amazing. Age of Conan really did a good job on the char models ect but honestly the enviroment isn't impressive in the least. While I will admit DarkFall graphics overall from what I have seen are not amazing they are good however the enviroment and background stuff is amazing to me.
I guess its all subjective, but to me the graphics look very good. The animations are clunky and a bit dissapointing, but the art itself is superb imo.
Yup everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes, nothing wrong with that. I also think the graphics are very good.
What isnt ok is people claiming the graphics are outdated or worse than eq or WAR...when clearly they arent. thats how you tell between the skeptics and flat out trolls.
Im playing WAR right now and hands down the DF graphics are better....IMO!
Yes. It's wrong for people to claim Graphics are worse than anything else. It#s clearly trolling when someone compares it to EQ1 or DAoC (original) or whatever. Comparing it to WAR etc., I would say is personal preference.
What is also not right is to claim DF is AMAZING graphics and superior to anything else. Other side of the coin. That's how you tell between reasonable followers of the game and fanatic fanbois.
Graphics are decent in my opinion. Lighting Effects and Textures look good from what I can see in the video. Nothing groundbreaking and stunning, but alright so far in my books, though not exactly my taste. Animations need more work IMO.
I dont think anyone is really saying they are the best on the block. Clearly AoC has better graphics.
I personally think the graphics are amazing, personal choice and all, but there is better out there. But for what the game is trying to accomplish, they are very very good. Certainly not the best. Certainly not the worst. Certainly not "omg outdated crap how can anyone like this"
At the end of the day its all just forum nitpicking on words.
Bottom line is if the game is fun, we'll get a breathe of fresh air in the genre. The graphics are at a minimum adequate for todays standards, there is really no debate about that.
The thing that is puzzling me though is, you look at the official trailer and it looks completely CRAP. However, you look at the screenshots on the website and they look at lot better. So which is the truth and which is the "marketing" strategy? I'm puzzled because no one in their right minds would use THAT video to market the game IF they've been able to screencapture images that look 10x better. So wheres the movie that coincides with the screenshots on the website? Or are they just "staged"?
After watching the whole 30 min video I really don't understand anyone complaining about the graphics. They are clearly superior to every other mmorpg released this year except AoC which was unplayable for a lot of people.
I can only assume that these people expect single player game quality graphics in which case they are going to be waiting a very long time for new game.
Some of the animations could do with some work but others like the mount animations are the best I've seen. I can see that maybe they are clunky because it's a much faster playstyle than traditional cooldown style game and transitional animations wouldn't really work
Just look at the attack speed problems in AoC due to the animations. When you get locked into a 0.5 second special move animation it seems like is lasting forever and ruins the flow of the combat.
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I wonder how long it will be before the Greek news network is forced to retract the statement made in regards to Lord of the rings....
Ok., I'm going to do a little timeline of the evolution of MMO graphics, then marked which games failed, maybe make it more apparent that the graphics are A) fine, and that
graphics don't make much difference.
EverQuest 1, 1999
Dark Age of Camelot, 2001
Dark Age of Camelot after a graphics upgrade in 2003.
World of Warcraft, 2004, a graphical downgrade and biggest success so far in MMOs
People tried to return to good graphics, and both games with the best graphics on the market failed out of the gate.
Vanguard
Age of Conan
Return to lackluster graphics = second biggest success in MMO history
Warhammer Online
Where does Darkfall fit?
http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/visuals/ork_capital
Darkfall Travelogues!
LoL
hoping for lacklustar graphics.
With amzing side effects of keeping the right people away as bonus on top
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Its all about the game play Signus not the graphics. The way it looks and feels enhances the core. Darkfall's current models and animation don't help at all. The thing is its still in beta and I know that especially animations are some of the last things to be touched up. Personally if they can fix the fluidness of movement then I am not bothered how the game looks.
I am more interested in if they can support 10k people at once like promised. If they have to be a bit antiquated to get there then so be it so long as they do.
Originally posted by Freefalling
Originally posted by ghoul31
Its based on Lord of the rings? What the hell are they talking about?
Technically all fantasy based MMOs are based on JRR Tolkien's work. Tolkein started everything there is to do with fantasy. He was simply making a reference that most people would connect with.
That would be Robert E Howard and not Tolkien. Howard with Conan and his other heroes created the genre now known as sword-and-sorcery.
Graphics may turn away potential customers but gameplay and content keep those that gave it a try.. I'll use Age of Conan as an example here, awesome graphics, yet it's the second worst game i've ever played content wise. (for those that are wondering GuildWars is top of my worst content games)
I dont know about that Guildwars is like Diablo with a city hub instead of a chat lobby I don't consider it a MMO.
Anyway, Even if DF has amazing gameplay if graphics are really bad people wont even give it a shot.
I use AO as an example since its actually an extremely good game features wise and is ahead of a bunch of these wow clones with the exception of graphics. The graphics are the reason that game has 25k subs the gameplay doesn't matter if players can't stay logged in more than five minutes due to shoddy graphics.
Right now DF looks like it came out before Half-life 2.
Anarchy Online failed because it had a horrible launch, and the lag made it nearly unplayable.
And Half Life 2 graphics are still great.
I stand corrected HL2 looks cooler than DF sorry.
Hes just a troll who is anti-Darkfall gtfo please
"Outside the dream world, life can be harsh--even cruel, but it is life"
Graphics may turn away potential customers but gameplay and content keep those that gave it a try.. I'll use Age of Conan as an example here, awesome graphics, yet it's the second worst game i've ever played content wise. (for those that are wondering GuildWars is top of my worst content games)
I dont know about that Guildwars is like Diablo with a city hub instead of a chat lobby I don't consider it a MMO.
Anyway, Even if DF has amazing gameplay if graphics are really bad people wont even give it a shot.
I use AO as an example since its actually an extremely good game features wise and is ahead of a bunch of these wow clones with the exception of graphics. The graphics are the reason that game has 25k subs the gameplay doesn't matter if players can't stay logged in more than five minutes due to shoddy graphics.
Right now DF looks like it came out before Half-life 2.
Anarchy Online failed because it had a horrible launch, and the lag made it nearly unplayable.
And Half Life 2 graphics are still great.
I stand corrected HL2 looks cooler than DF sorry.
Hes just a troll who is anti-Darkfall gtfo please
I wouldn't go as far as calling him a troll, he's sharing his opinions from his view thats all.. without CONSTRUCTIVE criticism there is no true discussion, he even apologised to a wrongful statement he made which to me shows character...
Although he does seem to view graphics as a strong factor in games i believe it's just his opinion and what he'd like (as well as some others around from what i've seen) but i reccon he'll be one to at least give it a try.
Well it is kinda the darkfalls community fault for getting the graphics trolls... They are praising it as the best graphics they have EVER seen! Or the most detail! Which is asking for trolling... So there is not much you can do about it. Just get over it or ignore it.... Simple isn't it... Ignore.....
Lol no they arnt theres just people that like the style and think the graphics are fine. I havnt seen anyone saying the graphics are absolutely amazing cos obviously they arnt but they are fine for what the game offers.
dfo engine isnt premade it was made from scratch .... guess what we still havent seen full gfx yet for dfo
Free? It will be free to try but after that a monthly fee. Also the engine has alot of technological advances and techniques used to optimise it for large battles and other features. If you understand what they are trying to accomplish with their engine you would understand its pretty decent actually if everything goes smoothly.
First i'm sure the game will looks better in our comps that we can see in the video.
Second, graphics are important and may be can stop someone from playing a game but the game play its a lot more important to me. I'm not going to change my plans of play DFO because the graphics, but its a negative point in my list.
From technichal point of view (details, efects, lights, shadows, 3D...) AoC or LOTRO are really better in my opinion.
I like the artwork in the environment but not the toons designs (PCs and NPCs) i prefer the ones i have been playing the last 4 years, just to name some with very different styles: L2, WoW (and i dont like the cartoon appareance there), LoTRO, AoC.
And i'm sorry to say this but AC2 animations (like 7 years ago) looked better that what i see in the DFO videos (this last one included). i'm not going to compare with more recent games.
I know this is a lot a question of tastes.
Anyway i was guessing DFO graphics are going to be, let me say, just decent and as i said before it's the gameplay (the promised gameplay) what is making me be excited about DFO launch.
Vast majority of people, especially after the recent video, think the graphics are just fine if not very good.
Its all just opinion, and you have your own, but you cant really argue that its outdated when it is inline with WAR. Art style is different, feel free to complain about that.
But then again you have proven yourself to be a troll on these forums, and not just the DF ones, so im not even sure why im bothering.
I guess just let us ignorant people be ignorant and enjoy our ignorant game. While you keep your super intelligence and keep trolling forums.
See you in game.
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So, no one says that the graphics are amazing, eh?
The man up there has a good point. The DF Fanatics have a lot to be blamed for when it comes to the trolling themselves. Instead of staying positive, they go ballistic and outright outlandishly passionate.
Me personally, I'm not even gonna touch/discuss the graphics of DF until I have seen them for myself.
And as for the advanced AI. I still can't understand how people can claim a little video is -PROOF- of advanced AI. Great...the mob tried to flank a person. Oh wow. That has to mean they have the most advanced AI in the MMO-market. o.O
Stay realistic? The video has been a good boost to Aventurine's credibility. Why not be happy about that instead of overhyping it?
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Really?
lol cant even compare it
Ok., I'm going to do a little timeline of the evolution of MMO graphics, then marked which games failed, maybe make it more apparent that the graphics are A) fine, and that
graphics don't make much difference.
EverQuest 1, 1999
Dark Age of Camelot, 2001
Dark Age of Camelot after a graphics upgrade in 2003.
World of Warcraft, 2004, a graphical downgrade and biggest success so far in MMOs
People tried to return to good graphics, and both games with the best graphics on the market failed out of the gate.
Vanguard
Age of Conan
Return to lackluster graphics = second biggest success in MMO history
Warhammer Online
Where does Darkfall fit?
http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/visuals/ork_capital
Ok I honestly have no opinion about DF...
But you picked some of the WORST screen shots to try and prove a point... really... and you missed EQ1's graphic update with Shadows Of Luclin....
The Warhammer one is like Alpha Build.. or its with ALL modifiers turned off....
Its one thing to try and back up your statements with evidence.. its another to try and an skew that evidence by picking the WORST possible representation of the subject matter... really doesn't support your arguement at all..
Just makes you look petty and small minded...
Graphics may turn away potential customers but gameplay and content keep those that gave it a try.. I'll use Age of Conan as an example here, awesome graphics, yet it's the second worst game i've ever played content wise. (for those that are wondering GuildWars is top of my worst content games)
I dont know about that Guildwars is like Diablo with a city hub instead of a chat lobby I don't consider it a MMO.
Anyway, Even if DF has amazing gameplay if graphics are really bad people wont even give it a shot.
I use AO as an example since its actually an extremely good game features wise and is ahead of a bunch of these wow clones with the exception of graphics. The graphics are the reason that game has 25k subs the gameplay doesn't matter if players can't stay logged in more than five minutes due to shoddy graphics.
Right now DF looks like it came out before Half-life 2.
Anarchy Online failed because it had a horrible launch, and the lag made it nearly unplayable.
And Half Life 2 graphics are still great.
I stand corrected HL2 looks cooler than DF sorry.
Hes just a troll who is anti-Darkfall gtfo please
LOL relax, I've already stated that I'm looking forward to DF, just the graphics are a turn off for me.
I want DF to have a good number of subs, if the game looks like it came from 2004 you can bet your ass people wont bother.
I'm a huge Sandbox fan and to call me a troll because I'm saying one negative thing about the game is insane, do you even know what a troll is?
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The footage shown is the same footage on the official movie on the Darkfall website. Except the one on the DF website is not a camera looking at a screen, its taken from inside the game.
Trust me, watch THAT movie and the lack of polygons and animation really stands out. The graphics are on a par with the original DAOC screenshot that someone posted earlier.
Btw, make sure you watch it to the VERY end for the "magical hovercrafts" that join in the battle lol.
Yes good graphics don't make a good game on their own. But, people are very fickle and superficial. If the game looks like its 5 years old, then that WILL have a big impact on potential sales and subs.
i feel sorry for DF, because it SOUNDS like it could be fun, but when you see the trailers it makes you whince.
The thing that is puzzling me though is, you look at the official trailer and it looks completely CRAP. However, you look at the screenshots on the website and they look at lot better. So which is the truth and which is the "marketing" strategy? I'm puzzled because no one in their right minds would use THAT video to market the game IF they've been able to screencapture images that look 10x better.
So wheres the movie that coincides with the screenshots on the website? Or are they just "staged"?
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I guess its all subjective, but to me the graphics look very good. The animations are clunky and a bit dissapointing, but the art itself is superb imo.
Yup everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes, nothing wrong with that. I also think the graphics are very good.
What isnt ok is people claiming the graphics are outdated or worse than eq or WAR...when clearly they arent. thats how you tell between the skeptics and flat out trolls.
Im playing WAR right now and hands down the DF graphics are better....IMO!
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Yup everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes, nothing wrong with that. I also think the graphics are very good.
What isnt ok is people claiming the graphics are outdated or worse than eq or WAR...when clearly they arent. thats how you tell between the skeptics and flat out trolls.
Im playing WAR right now and hands down the DF graphics are better....IMO!
Yes. It's wrong for people to claim Graphics are worse than anything else. It#s clearly trolling when someone compares it to EQ1 or DAoC (original) or whatever. Comparing it to WAR etc., I would say is personal preference.
What is also not right is to claim DF is AMAZING graphics and superior to anything else. Other side of the coin. That's how you tell between reasonable followers of the game and fanatic fanbois.
Graphics are decent in my opinion. Lighting Effects and Textures look good from what I can see in the video. Nothing groundbreaking and stunning, but alright so far in my books, though not exactly my taste. Animations need more work IMO.
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Yup everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes, nothing wrong with that. I also think the graphics are very good.
What isnt ok is people claiming the graphics are outdated or worse than eq or WAR...when clearly they arent. thats how you tell between the skeptics and flat out trolls.
Im playing WAR right now and hands down the DF graphics are better....IMO!
Yes. It's wrong for people to claim Graphics are worse than anything else. It#s clearly trolling when someone compares it to EQ1 or DAoC (original) or whatever. Comparing it to WAR etc., I would say is personal preference.
What is also not right is to claim DF is AMAZING graphics and superior to anything else. Other side of the coin. That's how you tell between reasonable followers of the game and fanatic fanbois.
Graphics are decent in my opinion. Lighting Effects and Textures look good from what I can see in the video. Nothing groundbreaking and stunning, but alright so far in my books, though not exactly my taste. Animations need more work IMO.
Depends I guess. I find the enviroment Amazing myself. The ground, the foilage, The planetary system. Those graphics to me are very amazing and much better than most other MMO's. The Char and other graphics are Good, the animation is ok could use work but not a big issue. Again the eviroment and the backgrounds ect are just amazing. Age of Conan really did a good job on the char models ect but honestly the enviroment isn't impressive in the least. While I will admit DarkFall graphics overall from what I have seen are not amazing they are good however the enviroment and background stuff is amazing to me.
Yup everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes, nothing wrong with that. I also think the graphics are very good.
What isnt ok is people claiming the graphics are outdated or worse than eq or WAR...when clearly they arent. thats how you tell between the skeptics and flat out trolls.
Im playing WAR right now and hands down the DF graphics are better....IMO!
Yes. It's wrong for people to claim Graphics are worse than anything else. It#s clearly trolling when someone compares it to EQ1 or DAoC (original) or whatever. Comparing it to WAR etc., I would say is personal preference.
What is also not right is to claim DF is AMAZING graphics and superior to anything else. Other side of the coin. That's how you tell between reasonable followers of the game and fanatic fanbois.
Graphics are decent in my opinion. Lighting Effects and Textures look good from what I can see in the video. Nothing groundbreaking and stunning, but alright so far in my books, though not exactly my taste. Animations need more work IMO.
I dont think anyone is really saying they are the best on the block. Clearly AoC has better graphics.
I personally think the graphics are amazing, personal choice and all, but there is better out there. But for what the game is trying to accomplish, they are very very good. Certainly not the best. Certainly not the worst. Certainly not "omg outdated crap how can anyone like this"
At the end of the day its all just forum nitpicking on words.
Bottom line is if the game is fun, we'll get a breathe of fresh air in the genre. The graphics are at a minimum adequate for todays standards, there is really no debate about that.
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After watching the whole 30 min video I really don't understand anyone complaining about the graphics. They are clearly superior to every other mmorpg released this year except AoC which was unplayable for a lot of people.
I can only assume that these people expect single player game quality graphics in which case they are going to be waiting a very long time for new game.
Some of the animations could do with some work but others like the mount animations are the best I've seen. I can see that maybe they are clunky because it's a much faster playstyle than traditional cooldown style game and transitional animations wouldn't really work
Just look at the attack speed problems in AoC due to the animations. When you get locked into a 0.5 second special move animation it seems like is lasting forever and ruins the flow of the combat.