If this Station Cash thing is a game canceler for you....whao!! The only items you can "buy" with station cash are items the increase exp gain. Who cares!!! Nothing you can buy gives you any type of edge. And...well...I bet your also the type that just can't stand people who order a #1 at McDonalds...and then...OMG...order a shake or apple pie. Fuck those people...that shit doen't come wiht a #1...and why the fuck do they have more money to spend on stuff they want than I do. Fuck McDonands, Rich people who can spend they money on whatever they want, and SoE for allowing them to spend their money.
Geeky, I say this with all the respect in the world:
There are new de-caffinated brands that are just as flavorfull as the real thing. . .
Originally posted by Jeff44 Originally posted by Geeky If this Station Cash thing is a game canceler for you....whao!! The only items you can "buy" with station cash are items the increase exp gain. Who cares!!! Nothing you can buy gives you any type of edge. And...well...I bet your also the type that just can't stand people who order a #1 at McDonalds...and then...OMG...order a shake or apple pie. Fuck those people...that shit doen't come wiht a #1...and why the fuck do they have more money to spend on stuff they want than I do. Fuck McDonands, Rich people who can spend they money on whatever they want, and SoE for allowing them to spend their money.
Geeky, I say this with all the respect in the world: There are new de-caffinated brands that are just as flavorfull as the real thing. . .
I just very nearly wet myself.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
Well said I agree. I especially like the "people like you" comment. I am people like him but I go even further. Something you seem to miss all together. I like the idea and so do many players no one is tucking tail. I even bought a fun house pet for 3 bucks and I'm enjoying it roaming around my house. Explain to me why I should not enjoy it? Hmm because I bought it? Kind of like I bought the game and computer I use to play it on. It does not matter that I "earned it ingame", like that is some medal of honor, instead I bought it with money I "earned". I been playing EQ2 since release I got nothing to prove to anyone. Come to one of my houses in EQ2 and see some of the 1000s of items I earned. I also play with many people who like this idea. I do not see them tucking tail or bailing out of EQ2 over this.
SOE is not counting on people like grandpagamer they are counting on players like me, who will enjoy this idea and buy a few things. So your well written response means nothing to "people like me" many of "us" people like the idea and see it in the future of mmos, in one form or another. I'm sure someone will post a well written response as to how I do not get it and am allowing the devil SOE to take over the world with their greed. I will save you the trouble, you are right! I don't get it. I simply enjoy a fun game called EQ2 for entertainment, so what do I know.
Did it ever occur to you already pay a monthly fee for P2P MMO's and that this stuff they put into the cash shop would normally be put into the game for free? Simply because you pay a montly fee already, so the developers can maintain the game, continue developing it to add new stuff!
It's people like you that let companies get away with it and start implementing cash shops ON TOP of your monthly fee!
The result of all this is that NOTHING will be added for free anymore to the game! NOTHING!
As why would they? When people like you are willing to throw money at them through a cash shop.
So instead of having great FREE updates with fun event quest chains providing you with these fluff rewards and thus EARNING it ingame.... wich makes MMO's so fun. As you are able to do something else then just grind for gear only!
You are from now on FORCED to use the Cash Shop to obtain new (Fluff) stuff!
Without earning it! Without playing the game itself for it!
Sorry tho. But that's not how I like to play MMO's from now on.
And if you cannot see the damage being done by slapping this system on an existing game that is around for over 4 years??
Cheers
It is either a monthly sub or a f2p with item mall. Having both, truly sucks.
IE never play another soe game agian for any reason and let them know it.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
lol they let you buy crappy looking in-game cosmetic stuff with real money! Surely this will break the entire game! Soon there will be dancing!
Wait, nothing in the store will have any effect on combat mechanics? Well then lets simply make up shit they COULD put in there, act as if it is in there, and bitch and moan, thats much more fun.
lol they let you buy crappy looking in-game cosmetic stuff with real money! Surely this will break the entire game! Soon there will be dancing! Wait, nothing in the store will have any effect on combat mechanics? Well then lets simply make up shit they COULD put in there, act as if it is in there, and bitch and moan, thats much more fun.
Right on! We all know nobody cares about anything but combat in MMOs. Nothing else matters and it should all have an extra price tag.
We should also ignore the lead developer talking about what types of combat affecting armor/weapons/etc items they are already in plans to add into the game.
Lets just wait until it is to late and these types of things get into game instead of saying no to the mechanic that can and will introduce them. Keeping silent has worked well so far with SOE.
Yea i know they are so worried on how they can milk you that they can't even fix the automated character transfer system which has been down for 4 months now, we see where soe has there priorities.
I don't understand all this complaining. You will not stop SOE. Not ever. They are all about money, and that leaves no room for concern about what the players actually want.
There is only one way to prevent SOE, and indeed, any other company, from pulling crap like this.
Do not give them your money.
This is the only thing that works in a capitalist system. If enough people don't like it enough that they quit, they might change it. If enough people like it or do not mind it enough to quit, the probably will not change it, and will do fine. If, after that, they do continue to do fine, it is a sign that most people don't mind it, and you do not have the same opinion as other people that are playing.
Any of that make sense?
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
lol they let you buy crappy looking in-game cosmetic stuff with real money! Surely this will break the entire game! Soon there will be dancing! Wait, nothing in the store will have any effect on combat mechanics? Well then lets simply make up shit they COULD put in there, act as if it is in there, and bitch and moan, thats much more fun.
Right on! We all know nobody cares about anything but combat in MMOs. Nothing else matters and it should all have an extra price tag.
We should also ignore the lead developer talking about what types of combat affecting armor/weapons/etc items they are already in plans to add into the game.
Lets just wait until it is to late and these types of things get into game instead of saying no to the mechanic that can and will introduce them. Keeping silent has worked well so far with SOE.
Oh really? have any proof of them adding weapons to the game? like maybe a post of some sort or do you just plan on making shit up all day? Also the stuff they added doesn't effect any aspect, combat or otherwise, dumbass. Oh except for the class that only makes cosmetic stuff OH WAIT THERES NO SUCH THING!
Also I agree with Leodious, if people truly dont want it, it wont sell and they won't keep spending resources on it.
lol they let you buy crappy looking in-game cosmetic stuff with real money! Surely this will break the entire game! Soon there will be dancing! Wait, nothing in the store will have any effect on combat mechanics? Well then lets simply make up shit they COULD put in there, act as if it is in there, and bitch and moan, thats much more fun.
Right on! We all know nobody cares about anything but combat in MMOs. Nothing else matters and it should all have an extra price tag.
We should also ignore the lead developer talking about what types of combat affecting armor/weapons/etc items they are already in plans to add into the game.
Lets just wait until it is to late and these types of things get into game instead of saying no to the mechanic that can and will introduce them. Keeping silent has worked well so far with SOE.
Oh really? have any proof of them adding weapons to the game? like maybe a post of some sort or do you just plan on making shit up all day? Also the stuff they added doesn't effect any aspect, combat or otherwise, dumbass. Oh except for the class that only makes cosmetic stuff OH WAIT THERES NO SUCH THING!
Ten Ton Hammer: You mentioned you won’t be selling “uber armor,” but what about armor or weapon sets that aren’t overpowering, as an idea for returning or casual players?
Bruce Ferguson: I don’t know that I can say yes or no to that to be honest with you. It’s an ongoing discussion here as to whether we could do something like that or not, and I don’t think we have a final decision. But as I said, what we don’t want to do is make 80 percent or 100 percent of our customers unhappy with us. Obviously we’re trying to give people a little bit of fun without impacting significant core game play.
'plans to add' aren't the same as 'thinking about' dipshit. Taking something they said then blowing it out of proportion doesn't mean its the same thing still.
I can't speak to stuff happening on PvP since I don't play on PvP server though. i know you can buy speed items that are better in game for far less though.
Here are some quotes you might want to post as well
Ten Ton Hammer: Are you planning on adding items from the broker to be available with Station Cash?
Bruce Ferguson: No. All of the things we are trying to do are incidental items. We’re not going to be putting up armor that has plus 50 strength or a weapon that automatically kills any skeleton or anything like that, no. We’re trying to go for the stuff that really doesn’t affect game play. It’s convenience.
This topic as well as others of the new business model for EQ2, is the same as SWG: NGE fiasco.
Same general statements being made on both sides (especially the, "if you don't like it, then don't play" ones). In the end, when costumers get "shocked" in MMO's, they cancel. Come in the spring time, then we'll know who was right or wrong.
But given the history of the MMO market, my bet is the "disgruntled" side will win. Which is unfortunate, since even the disgruntled side is just as passionate about the game, except for how it is managed. Most people do cancel and move on, which results in depopluated servers; which in turn causes the downward spiral, leaving only those who told people to move on or quit. At which point, the game is canceled due to lack of profitability.
Moral of the story:
Never shock your customers.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Right, because SOE has a long standing policy of keeping their word and not breaking promises. In one statement Bruce says no they are not planning on introducing those types of items and then the very next question he says they are considering it.
We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. If we catch people, we ban them and have been for a long time now. The truth of the matter is it's very difficult to combat them, but we have people at SOE who fight the good fight each and every day. In the near future you're going to see us becoming a lot more public about this then we ever have been. I think we've done a bad job at communicating just how seriously we take this fight. -John Smedley
Of course here we have the President of SOE promising to NEVER introduce RMT into the none exchange servers. Somehow I guess an item mall where people spend money in a transaction for ingame items will somehow be spun to not be RMT.
Once again the problem is people and not the company. Good luck with that.
I really doubt they will expand the sation cash much more frankly. They got a 90 page thread of people bitching and last tiem that happened it crushed a change that was supposed to modify how stats on items were presented. Though it could very well be a 'vocal minority' which has happened before.
they aren't going to keep pushing it even if enough people aren't buying it. A lot of people here say they did it for the money and I can;t imagine anyone disagreeing with that, and I'm sure just about everyone will agree they will do whatever it takes to get more money. If they continue to do things like this even if their losing money, well theres really nothing anyone can do.
If enough people buy it where they are making a net gain in profit even with people leaving, they will keep doing it, otherwise they will stop. Its just that simple.
Odds are very good that they will expand it, just like they have expanded RMT. That is the history of this company and there next to no evidence that they won't. It is just how they operate despite so many people giving them benefit of the doubt.
Honestly I don't think SOE cares what happens to the subscribers of any of their current games. None of those games are going to sustain this company for very long at the rate they are losing market share and also combine the situation of Sony corporation. None of them represent their new target market for the upcoming releases or new revenue model. They don't even need station cash to be profitable per say. All they need to find out is what gets players to spend more money, what do players like to and not like to buy.
SOE didn't ask for players opinions before putting station cash into the game, because the players opinions no longer matter and they know most of their current subscribers just don't do the one thing that would make them listen. Much like Dracus pointed out. [good post by the way Dracus]
IF soe Cared about there customers they would of told us about the station cash BEFORE the new expansion came out and everyone buy it and then they said oh there is a station cash.
Ill say it again..theres only so much fluff people will buy..sooner or later the users or more likely SOE will game breaking items to the shop..its the nature of the cash shops in mmos
I don't think that anyone, if they were honest about it, would disagree that based on past performance, SOE will eventually add more game-changing items to Station Cash to go along with the +exp/+AA potions already available there.
They've already done it, folks. The only argument really is over the extent that these items affect game play.
I don't think that anyone, if they were honest about it, would disagree that based on past performance, SOE will eventually add more game-changing items to Station Cash to go along with the +exp/+AA potions already available there. They've already done it, folks. The only argument really is over the extent that these items affect game play.
Ok now I am no expert on mmos but I do follow the industry pretty closely as a hobby. You say based on past performance SOE will be adding "more game-changing items to Station Cash to go along with the +exp/+AA potions already available there." When have they done this in the past? Now SOE has done a lot of crazy stuff but I am unaware of them using cash stations in other mmos and putting game changing items in over time. What game have they been doing this in? I have played EQ. EQ2, Vanguard, Matrix Online, SWG (ouch NGE), and Planetside.
PS - We are not talking about the exp/AA/speed potions already in cash station. We are talking about adding gear and stat item type stuff. Can we argee on that definition first? Those are the types of items I am talking about.
I figure everyone who acutally plays or has played EQ or EQ2 and is affected by the station store learned to live with it , just doesnt see the horror, or has quit the game. What is interesting is how long the haters ( be it EQ, EQ2 or just sony in general which is hated ) will keep these threads going. How long has it been now guys, and what is the point? Trying to get everyone to boycott sony? Might be kinda tuff. I figure next i will see the posts on how naive i am and blind to the evil empire of sony or maybe im a sony fanboy. At least that will be a change from the whining.
It has been a couple of days and yes if you don't see the potential of what this can easily turn into you are blind.
If we listened to people like you and Moiria everyone should just tuck their tale when something bad is done, walk away quietly and not say a word. While I doubt you are as niave as she is, negative feedback is as valuable as positive feedback if not moreso. Everything you say goes against the basic best of practices for consumer rights. The pair of you are like a corporate giants wet dream. Telling people to shut up doesn't change anything.
SOE is counting on people like you. People who say things like "it doesn't affect me so I don't care". Read the posts of people who are canceling, they are now saying this does affect them. What do you think they said about station exchange, the card game, etc. All these people sitting by letting SOE push the limits and little by little people hit that point as SOE never stops. Keep in mind with station cash it is now in SOEs best interest to make the game more reliant on cash sales than it is to make content designed to challenge you.
The question you should ask yourself is "Does this have the potential to affect me and is it believable that SOE could do something like that". I cannot see how the answer could be anything other than yes, but SOE is counting on people like you. People who just don't want to see the bad, because they are so entrenched in not wanting to see what is going on.
When SOE does finally get around to doing something that does affect you, please don't come here and post about it. If you are tired of hearing people complain about SOE, perhaps you should talk to SOE about the things they continually do that makes such an uproar. Strange concept I know, but maybe it will work better than telling people to be quiet because it doesn't affect you.
Wow, this is like something that I woulda posted about this :P
I don't think that anyone, if they were honest about it, would disagree that based on past performance, SOE will eventually add more game-changing items to Station Cash to go along with the +exp/+AA potions already available there. They've already done it, folks. The only argument really is over the extent that these items affect game play.
Ok now I am no expert on mmos but I do follow the industry pretty closely as a hobby. You say based on past performance SOE will be adding "more game-changing items to Station Cash to go along with the +exp/+AA potions already available there." When have they done this in the past? Now SOE has done a lot of crazy stuff but I am unaware of them using cash stations in other mmos and putting game changing items in over time. What game have they been doing this in? I have played EQ. EQ2, Vanguard, Matrix Online, SWG (ouch NGE), and Planetside.
PS - We are not talking about the exp/AA/speed potions already in cash station. We are talking about adding gear and stat item type stuff. Can we argee on that definition first? Those are the types of items I am talking about.
You are putting far to fine a point on what Jeff44 is talking about.
SOE has made many very clear promises in the past about things they would or would not do. Case in point is introduction of RMT onto the Everquest servers and the continual promises about improving communication (IE listening to the players). Yet here we are.
So here we have SOE promising they won't do something. Past actions prove that they do often break those vows, especially when there is money to be made by doing so. Well I should say 'predicted' profits to be made.
Maybe there isn't a specific example of SOE adding in armor and weapons yet, but past history supports the theory that they will. When I say yet it is because the head designer has already admitted they are discussing what types of armor and weapons they can add without pissing off 80-100% of the players and not destroy the game.
That sounds pretty clear cut that those types of things are coming.
Ecco, you really are reaching now. No one should have to work that hard. Anyway, what Daffid said.
Again a little dig "No one should work that hard" why do the folks that have a problem with SOE have to always add a little dig at me? Seems like you are the one working hard to find problems with SOE. Really reaching? I simply asked a question that you have not answered. From my point of view you are the one reaching, claiming SOE will do something, based on past preformance, on an issue they have not been involved in before, as far as I know. It was a real question since I may have been wrong and maybe they have done this in a game and I am unaware of it. I have not played every SOE game. Instead of answering, you tell me I am reaching. Then Daffid says I am putting far to fine a point on your comments. So, does that mean I should not take your comment seriously? Then he admits there is no real example of SOE doing this. So who is reaching?
I have said this over and over, outside of SWG/NGE SOE has never done anything I have had a problem with. Remember, I do not have a problem with the marketplace in EQ2. I also could careless they said in the past they would not do this and changed their minds. It is not that big of a deal to me. I do not think this is some terrible game breaking thing. It is only an item mall in a game, not a conspiracy SOE has to defraud you. In essence that is what you are claiming they are doing. I have left mmos for a lot of reasons, including game changes that I disliked (NGE), when this happens I simply move on and try other games.
Ecco, you really are reaching now. No one should have to work that hard. Anyway, what Daffid said.
Again a little dig "No one should work that hard" why do the folks that have a problem with SOE have to always add a little dig at me? Seems like you are the one working hard to find problems with SOE. Really reaching? I simply asked a question that you have not answered. From my point of view you are the one reaching, claiming SOE will do something, based on past preformance, on an issue they have not been involved in before, as far as I know. It was a real question since I may have been wrong and maybe they have done this in a game and I am unaware of it. I have not played every SOE game. Instead of answering, you tell me I am reaching. Then Daffid says I am putting far to fine a point on your comments. So, does that mean I should not take your comment seriously? Then he admits there is no real example of SOE doing this. So who is reaching?
I have said this over and over, outside of SWG/NGE SOE has never done anything I have had a problem with. Remember, I do not have a problem with the marketplace in EQ2. I also could careless they said in the past they would not do this and changed their minds. It is not that big of a deal to me. I do not think this is some terrible game breaking thing. It is only an item mall in a game, not a conspiracy SOE has to defraud you. In essence that is what you are claiming they are doing. I have left mmos for a lot of reasons, including game changes that I disliked (NGE), when this happens I simply move on and try other games.
Just because you dont have a problem doesnt mean there isnt one SOE has systematcally destroyed some of the best IPs availble..
Everquest - PoP and everything since -ruined
SWG- NGE CU ruined
Matrix- Ruined lol so sad...
Vanguard - Dumbed down and ruined
PotBS- lol do i have to comment
EQ2 - they have dumbed down every facet of challenge in this once great game-Ruined
And now RMT , heres a clue every single item in EQ2 is already cocded for RMT .. this is a fact on there every server... This codong has been implemented for years in there Market server.. And it exists on every server just a matter of clearing it for RMT purchase on a particular server..
Enjoy yer game . you wear that Smed Da Liar Jughead cap well.,.
Ecco, you really are reaching now. No one should have to work that hard. Anyway, what Daffid said.
Again a little dig "No one should work that hard" why do the folks that have a problem with SOE have to always add a little dig at me? Seems like you are the one working hard to find problems with SOE. Really reaching? I simply asked a question that you have not answered. From my point of view you are the one reaching, claiming SOE will do something, based on past preformance, on an issue they have not been involved in before, as far as I know. It was a real question since I may have been wrong and maybe they have done this in a game and I am unaware of it. I have not played every SOE game. Instead of answering, you tell me I am reaching. Then Daffid says I am putting far to fine a point on your comments. So, does that mean I should not take your comment seriously? Then he admits there is no real example of SOE doing this. So who is reaching?
I have said this over and over, outside of SWG/NGE SOE has never done anything I have had a problem with. Remember, I do not have a problem with the marketplace in EQ2. I also could careless they said in the past they would not do this and changed their minds. It is not that big of a deal to me. I do not think this is some terrible game breaking thing. It is only an item mall in a game, not a conspiracy SOE has to defraud you. In essence that is what you are claiming they are doing. I have left mmos for a lot of reasons, including game changes that I disliked (NGE), when this happens I simply move on and try other games.
Just because you dont have a problem doesnt mean there isnt one SOE has systematcally destroyed some of the best IPs availble..
Everquest - PoP and everything since -ruined
SWG- NGE CU ruined
Matrix- Ruined lol so sad...
Vanguard - Dumbed down and ruined
PotBS- lol do i have to comment
EQ2 - they have dumbed down every facet of challenge in this once great game-Ruined
And now RMT , heres a clue every single item in EQ2 is already cocded for RMT .. this is a fact on there every server... This codong has been implemented for years in there Market server.. And it exists on every server just a matter of clearing it for RMT purchase on a particular server..
Enjoy yer game . you wear that Smed Da Liar Jughead cap well.,.
So I am a jughead, I forgot. umm did you, remember you used that one on me before? Again another SOE hater that has to insult me. Even though you have called me a jughead before I still have not insulted you. I guess insulting people is not my way. You think that jughead hat comment is so funny and insulting that you need to use it again. You started that simply because I mentioned I wear a WoW hat and said I would like an EQ2 hat. My aren't you the creative one. You really got me again. Can we try for a 3rd time?
Everquest - PoP and everything since -ruined
SWG- NGE CU ruined
Matrix- Ruined lol so sad...
Vanguard - Dumbed down and ruined
PotBS- lol do i have to comment
EQ2 - they have dumbed down every facet of challenge in this once great game-Ruined
I am assuming you have played these games if you have not then your comments mean nothing. Seems to me someone who spends that much money and time playing all these games by SOE and feels the way you do about SOE is a jughead. Why would you waste you time and money over and over again? They probably got a hat your size.
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Geeky, I say this with all the respect in the world:
There are new de-caffinated brands that are just as flavorfull as the real thing. . .
Geeky, I say this with all the respect in the world:
There are new de-caffinated brands that are just as flavorfull as the real thing. . .
I just very nearly wet myself.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
Well said I agree. I especially like the "people like you" comment. I am people like him but I go even further. Something you seem to miss all together. I like the idea and so do many players no one is tucking tail. I even bought a fun house pet for 3 bucks and I'm enjoying it roaming around my house. Explain to me why I should not enjoy it? Hmm because I bought it? Kind of like I bought the game and computer I use to play it on. It does not matter that I "earned it ingame", like that is some medal of honor, instead I bought it with money I "earned". I been playing EQ2 since release I got nothing to prove to anyone. Come to one of my houses in EQ2 and see some of the 1000s of items I earned. I also play with many people who like this idea. I do not see them tucking tail or bailing out of EQ2 over this.
SOE is not counting on people like grandpagamer they are counting on players like me, who will enjoy this idea and buy a few things. So your well written response means nothing to "people like me" many of "us" people like the idea and see it in the future of mmos, in one form or another. I'm sure someone will post a well written response as to how I do not get it and am allowing the devil SOE to take over the world with their greed. I will save you the trouble, you are right! I don't get it. I simply enjoy a fun game called EQ2 for entertainment, so what do I know.
Did it ever occur to you already pay a monthly fee for P2P MMO's and that this stuff they put into the cash shop would normally be put into the game for free? Simply because you pay a montly fee already, so the developers can maintain the game, continue developing it to add new stuff!
It's people like you that let companies get away with it and start implementing cash shops ON TOP of your monthly fee!
The result of all this is that NOTHING will be added for free anymore to the game! NOTHING!
As why would they? When people like you are willing to throw money at them through a cash shop.
So instead of having great FREE updates with fun event quest chains providing you with these fluff rewards and thus EARNING it ingame.... wich makes MMO's so fun. As you are able to do something else then just grind for gear only!
You are from now on FORCED to use the Cash Shop to obtain new (Fluff) stuff!
Without earning it! Without playing the game itself for it!
Sorry tho. But that's not how I like to play MMO's from now on.
And if you cannot see the damage being done by slapping this system on an existing game that is around for over 4 years??
Cheers
It is either a monthly sub or a f2p with item mall. Having both, truly sucks.
Guess Blizzard is copying this model soon?
IE never play another soe game agian for any reason and let them know it.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
lol they let you buy crappy looking in-game cosmetic stuff with real money! Surely this will break the entire game! Soon there will be dancing!
Wait, nothing in the store will have any effect on combat mechanics? Well then lets simply make up shit they COULD put in there, act as if it is in there, and bitch and moan, thats much more fun.
Right on! We all know nobody cares about anything but combat in MMOs. Nothing else matters and it should all have an extra price tag.
We should also ignore the lead developer talking about what types of combat affecting armor/weapons/etc items they are already in plans to add into the game.
Lets just wait until it is to late and these types of things get into game instead of saying no to the mechanic that can and will introduce them. Keeping silent has worked well so far with SOE.
Yea i know they are so worried on how they can milk you that they can't even fix the automated character transfer system which has been down for 4 months now, we see where soe has there priorities.
I don't understand all this complaining. You will not stop SOE. Not ever. They are all about money, and that leaves no room for concern about what the players actually want.
There is only one way to prevent SOE, and indeed, any other company, from pulling crap like this.
Do not give them your money.
This is the only thing that works in a capitalist system. If enough people don't like it enough that they quit, they might change it. If enough people like it or do not mind it enough to quit, the probably will not change it, and will do fine. If, after that, they do continue to do fine, it is a sign that most people don't mind it, and you do not have the same opinion as other people that are playing.
Any of that make sense?
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
Right on! We all know nobody cares about anything but combat in MMOs. Nothing else matters and it should all have an extra price tag.
We should also ignore the lead developer talking about what types of combat affecting armor/weapons/etc items they are already in plans to add into the game.
Lets just wait until it is to late and these types of things get into game instead of saying no to the mechanic that can and will introduce them. Keeping silent has worked well so far with SOE.
Oh really? have any proof of them adding weapons to the game? like maybe a post of some sort or do you just plan on making shit up all day? Also the stuff they added doesn't effect any aspect, combat or otherwise, dumbass. Oh except for the class that only makes cosmetic stuff OH WAIT THERES NO SUCH THING!
Also I agree with Leodious, if people truly dont want it, it wont sell and they won't keep spending resources on it.
Right on! We all know nobody cares about anything but combat in MMOs. Nothing else matters and it should all have an extra price tag.
We should also ignore the lead developer talking about what types of combat affecting armor/weapons/etc items they are already in plans to add into the game.
Lets just wait until it is to late and these types of things get into game instead of saying no to the mechanic that can and will introduce them. Keeping silent has worked well so far with SOE.
Oh really? have any proof of them adding weapons to the game? like maybe a post of some sort or do you just plan on making shit up all day? Also the stuff they added doesn't effect any aspect, combat or otherwise, dumbass. Oh except for the class that only makes cosmetic stuff OH WAIT THERES NO SUCH THING!
Ten Ton Hammer: You mentioned you won’t be selling “uber armor,” but what about armor or weapon sets that aren’t overpowering, as an idea for returning or casual players?
Bruce Ferguson: I don’t know that I can say yes or no to that to be honest with you. It’s an ongoing discussion here as to whether we could do something like that or not, and I don’t think we have a final decision. But as I said, what we don’t want to do is make 80 percent or 100 percent of our customers unhappy with us. Obviously we’re trying to give people a little bit of fun without impacting significant core game play.
www.tentonhammer.com/node/51153
I'm sure the PvP players were incorrect about speed potions affecting combat also.
Next time read the whole thread or just keep sitting on the sideline with your fingers in your ears. Pick one.
Also I agree with Leodious, if people truly dont want it, it wont sell and they won't keep spending resources on it.
I am sure that is a huge comfort to those people that find Station Cash a deal breaker or don't like being lied to.
'plans to add' aren't the same as 'thinking about' dipshit. Taking something they said then blowing it out of proportion doesn't mean its the same thing still.
I can't speak to stuff happening on PvP since I don't play on PvP server though. i know you can buy speed items that are better in game for far less though.
Here are some quotes you might want to post as well
Ten Ton Hammer: Are you planning on adding items from the broker to be available with Station Cash?
Bruce Ferguson: No. All of the things we are trying to do are incidental items. We’re not going to be putting up armor that has plus 50 strength or a weapon that automatically kills any skeleton or anything like that, no. We’re trying to go for the stuff that really doesn’t affect game play. It’s convenience.
This topic as well as others of the new business model for EQ2, is the same as SWG: NGE fiasco.
Same general statements being made on both sides (especially the, "if you don't like it, then don't play" ones). In the end, when costumers get "shocked" in MMO's, they cancel. Come in the spring time, then we'll know who was right or wrong.
But given the history of the MMO market, my bet is the "disgruntled" side will win. Which is unfortunate, since even the disgruntled side is just as passionate about the game, except for how it is managed. Most people do cancel and move on, which results in depopluated servers; which in turn causes the downward spiral, leaving only those who told people to move on or quit. At which point, the game is canceled due to lack of profitability.
Moral of the story:
Never shock your customers.
And that is why...
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Right, because SOE has a long standing policy of keeping their word and not breaking promises. In one statement Bruce says no they are not planning on introducing those types of items and then the very next question he says they are considering it.
We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. If we catch people, we ban them and have been for a long time now. The truth of the matter is it's very difficult to combat them, but we have people at SOE who fight the good fight each and every day. In the near future you're going to see us becoming a lot more public about this then we ever have been. I think we've done a bad job at communicating just how seriously we take this fight. -John Smedley
www.eq2flames.com/general-gameplay/16896-soe-licenses-3rd-party-rmt-company-game-virtual-property-sales-43.html
Of course here we have the President of SOE promising to NEVER introduce RMT into the none exchange servers. Somehow I guess an item mall where people spend money in a transaction for ingame items will somehow be spun to not be RMT.
Once again the problem is people and not the company. Good luck with that.
I really doubt they will expand the sation cash much more frankly. They got a 90 page thread of people bitching and last tiem that happened it crushed a change that was supposed to modify how stats on items were presented. Though it could very well be a 'vocal minority' which has happened before.
they aren't going to keep pushing it even if enough people aren't buying it. A lot of people here say they did it for the money and I can;t imagine anyone disagreeing with that, and I'm sure just about everyone will agree they will do whatever it takes to get more money. If they continue to do things like this even if their losing money, well theres really nothing anyone can do.
If enough people buy it where they are making a net gain in profit even with people leaving, they will keep doing it, otherwise they will stop. Its just that simple.
Odds are very good that they will expand it, just like they have expanded RMT. That is the history of this company and there next to no evidence that they won't. It is just how they operate despite so many people giving them benefit of the doubt.
Honestly I don't think SOE cares what happens to the subscribers of any of their current games. None of those games are going to sustain this company for very long at the rate they are losing market share and also combine the situation of Sony corporation. None of them represent their new target market for the upcoming releases or new revenue model. They don't even need station cash to be profitable per say. All they need to find out is what gets players to spend more money, what do players like to and not like to buy.
SOE didn't ask for players opinions before putting station cash into the game, because the players opinions no longer matter and they know most of their current subscribers just don't do the one thing that would make them listen. Much like Dracus pointed out. [good post by the way Dracus]
IF soe Cared about there customers they would of told us about the station cash BEFORE the new expansion came out and everyone buy it and then they said oh there is a station cash.
Ill say it again..theres only so much fluff people will buy..sooner or later the users or more likely SOE will game breaking items to the shop..its the nature of the cash shops in mmos
Time will tell i suppose though
I don't think that anyone, if they were honest about it, would disagree that based on past performance, SOE will eventually add more game-changing items to Station Cash to go along with the +exp/+AA potions already available there.
They've already done it, folks. The only argument really is over the extent that these items affect game play.
Ok now I am no expert on mmos but I do follow the industry pretty closely as a hobby. You say based on past performance SOE will be adding "more game-changing items to Station Cash to go along with the +exp/+AA potions already available there." When have they done this in the past? Now SOE has done a lot of crazy stuff but I am unaware of them using cash stations in other mmos and putting game changing items in over time. What game have they been doing this in? I have played EQ. EQ2, Vanguard, Matrix Online, SWG (ouch NGE), and Planetside.
PS - We are not talking about the exp/AA/speed potions already in cash station. We are talking about adding gear and stat item type stuff. Can we argee on that definition first? Those are the types of items I am talking about.
It has been a couple of days and yes if you don't see the potential of what this can easily turn into you are blind.
If we listened to people like you and Moiria everyone should just tuck their tale when something bad is done, walk away quietly and not say a word. While I doubt you are as niave as she is, negative feedback is as valuable as positive feedback if not moreso. Everything you say goes against the basic best of practices for consumer rights. The pair of you are like a corporate giants wet dream. Telling people to shut up doesn't change anything.
SOE is counting on people like you. People who say things like "it doesn't affect me so I don't care". Read the posts of people who are canceling, they are now saying this does affect them. What do you think they said about station exchange, the card game, etc. All these people sitting by letting SOE push the limits and little by little people hit that point as SOE never stops. Keep in mind with station cash it is now in SOEs best interest to make the game more reliant on cash sales than it is to make content designed to challenge you.
The question you should ask yourself is "Does this have the potential to affect me and is it believable that SOE could do something like that". I cannot see how the answer could be anything other than yes, but SOE is counting on people like you. People who just don't want to see the bad, because they are so entrenched in not wanting to see what is going on.
When SOE does finally get around to doing something that does affect you, please don't come here and post about it. If you are tired of hearing people complain about SOE, perhaps you should talk to SOE about the things they continually do that makes such an uproar. Strange concept I know, but maybe it will work better than telling people to be quiet because it doesn't affect you.
Wow, this is like something that I woulda posted about this :P
Needless to say, QFT.
Ok now I am no expert on mmos but I do follow the industry pretty closely as a hobby. You say based on past performance SOE will be adding "more game-changing items to Station Cash to go along with the +exp/+AA potions already available there." When have they done this in the past? Now SOE has done a lot of crazy stuff but I am unaware of them using cash stations in other mmos and putting game changing items in over time. What game have they been doing this in? I have played EQ. EQ2, Vanguard, Matrix Online, SWG (ouch NGE), and Planetside.
PS - We are not talking about the exp/AA/speed potions already in cash station. We are talking about adding gear and stat item type stuff. Can we argee on that definition first? Those are the types of items I am talking about.
You are putting far to fine a point on what Jeff44 is talking about.
SOE has made many very clear promises in the past about things they would or would not do. Case in point is introduction of RMT onto the Everquest servers and the continual promises about improving communication (IE listening to the players). Yet here we are.
So here we have SOE promising they won't do something. Past actions prove that they do often break those vows, especially when there is money to be made by doing so. Well I should say 'predicted' profits to be made.
Maybe there isn't a specific example of SOE adding in armor and weapons yet, but past history supports the theory that they will. When I say yet it is because the head designer has already admitted they are discussing what types of armor and weapons they can add without pissing off 80-100% of the players and not destroy the game.
That sounds pretty clear cut that those types of things are coming.
Ecco, you really are reaching now. No one should have to work that hard.
Anyway, what Daffid said.
Again a little dig "No one should work that hard" why do the folks that have a problem with SOE have to always add a little dig at me? Seems like you are the one working hard to find problems with SOE. Really reaching? I simply asked a question that you have not answered. From my point of view you are the one reaching, claiming SOE will do something, based on past preformance, on an issue they have not been involved in before, as far as I know. It was a real question since I may have been wrong and maybe they have done this in a game and I am unaware of it. I have not played every SOE game. Instead of answering, you tell me I am reaching. Then Daffid says I am putting far to fine a point on your comments. So, does that mean I should not take your comment seriously? Then he admits there is no real example of SOE doing this. So who is reaching?
I have said this over and over, outside of SWG/NGE SOE has never done anything I have had a problem with. Remember, I do not have a problem with the marketplace in EQ2. I also could careless they said in the past they would not do this and changed their minds. It is not that big of a deal to me. I do not think this is some terrible game breaking thing. It is only an item mall in a game, not a conspiracy SOE has to defraud you. In essence that is what you are claiming they are doing. I have left mmos for a lot of reasons, including game changes that I disliked (NGE), when this happens I simply move on and try other games.
Again a little dig "No one should work that hard" why do the folks that have a problem with SOE have to always add a little dig at me? Seems like you are the one working hard to find problems with SOE. Really reaching? I simply asked a question that you have not answered. From my point of view you are the one reaching, claiming SOE will do something, based on past preformance, on an issue they have not been involved in before, as far as I know. It was a real question since I may have been wrong and maybe they have done this in a game and I am unaware of it. I have not played every SOE game. Instead of answering, you tell me I am reaching. Then Daffid says I am putting far to fine a point on your comments. So, does that mean I should not take your comment seriously? Then he admits there is no real example of SOE doing this. So who is reaching?
I have said this over and over, outside of SWG/NGE SOE has never done anything I have had a problem with. Remember, I do not have a problem with the marketplace in EQ2. I also could careless they said in the past they would not do this and changed their minds. It is not that big of a deal to me. I do not think this is some terrible game breaking thing. It is only an item mall in a game, not a conspiracy SOE has to defraud you. In essence that is what you are claiming they are doing. I have left mmos for a lot of reasons, including game changes that I disliked (NGE), when this happens I simply move on and try other games.
Just because you dont have a problem doesnt mean there isnt one SOE has systematcally destroyed some of the best IPs availble..
Everquest - PoP and everything since -ruined
SWG- NGE CU ruined
Matrix- Ruined lol so sad...
Vanguard - Dumbed down and ruined
PotBS- lol do i have to comment
EQ2 - they have dumbed down every facet of challenge in this once great game-Ruined
And now RMT , heres a clue every single item in EQ2 is already cocded for RMT .. this is a fact on there every server... This codong has been implemented for years in there Market server.. And it exists on every server just a matter of clearing it for RMT purchase on a particular server..
Enjoy yer game . you wear that Smed Da Liar Jughead cap well.,.
Again a little dig "No one should work that hard" why do the folks that have a problem with SOE have to always add a little dig at me? Seems like you are the one working hard to find problems with SOE. Really reaching? I simply asked a question that you have not answered. From my point of view you are the one reaching, claiming SOE will do something, based on past preformance, on an issue they have not been involved in before, as far as I know. It was a real question since I may have been wrong and maybe they have done this in a game and I am unaware of it. I have not played every SOE game. Instead of answering, you tell me I am reaching. Then Daffid says I am putting far to fine a point on your comments. So, does that mean I should not take your comment seriously? Then he admits there is no real example of SOE doing this. So who is reaching?
I have said this over and over, outside of SWG/NGE SOE has never done anything I have had a problem with. Remember, I do not have a problem with the marketplace in EQ2. I also could careless they said in the past they would not do this and changed their minds. It is not that big of a deal to me. I do not think this is some terrible game breaking thing. It is only an item mall in a game, not a conspiracy SOE has to defraud you. In essence that is what you are claiming they are doing. I have left mmos for a lot of reasons, including game changes that I disliked (NGE), when this happens I simply move on and try other games.
Just because you dont have a problem doesnt mean there isnt one SOE has systematcally destroyed some of the best IPs availble..
Everquest - PoP and everything since -ruined
SWG- NGE CU ruined
Matrix- Ruined lol so sad...
Vanguard - Dumbed down and ruined
PotBS- lol do i have to comment
EQ2 - they have dumbed down every facet of challenge in this once great game-Ruined
And now RMT , heres a clue every single item in EQ2 is already cocded for RMT .. this is a fact on there every server... This codong has been implemented for years in there Market server.. And it exists on every server just a matter of clearing it for RMT purchase on a particular server..
Enjoy yer game . you wear that Smed Da Liar Jughead cap well.,.
So I am a jughead, I forgot. umm did you, remember you used that one on me before? Again another SOE hater that has to insult me. Even though you have called me a jughead before I still have not insulted you. I guess insulting people is not my way. You think that jughead hat comment is so funny and insulting that you need to use it again. You started that simply because I mentioned I wear a WoW hat and said I would like an EQ2 hat. My aren't you the creative one. You really got me again. Can we try for a 3rd time?
Everquest - PoP and everything since -ruined
SWG- NGE CU ruined
Matrix- Ruined lol so sad...
Vanguard - Dumbed down and ruined
PotBS- lol do i have to comment
EQ2 - they have dumbed down every facet of challenge in this once great game-Ruined
I am assuming you have played these games if you have not then your comments mean nothing. Seems to me someone who spends that much money and time playing all these games by SOE and feels the way you do about SOE is a jughead. Why would you waste you time and money over and over again? They probably got a hat your size.