You all have missed truly epic fights in mmos. I've seen over a thousand people in one map in RF Online fighting and in Space Cowboy/Flysis/Air Rivals/etc I've seen a good 300 people onscreen at once.
Let me try to explain it to you. It's not about the number of people involved in battles. Sure, I've been in MUCH "larger" scale battles before, but it's about the gameplay and combat style of the game that makes it far superior in "fun-ness" and "epicness", in my mind and numerous others in the Darkfall server, to any other MMO out on the market now and in the past.
Uh-huh. So Dark Merlin went out of his way tom point out the number in the thread title because it's irrelevant.
No, he pointed it out because people have only heard of 15-15'ish sized battles so far from beta until about now. Why wouldn't he post the number?
I've had some "epic" battles of 7v7 in Rainbow Six that surpass some of my experiences in 250v250 realm battles in DAoC. So yes, numbers don't mean jack shit.
The rationalizations never end do they? There's nothing epic about a 7v7. That's not what the word means.
epic: adj -
1: Surpassing the usual or ordinary, particularly in scope or size: “A vast musical panorama . . . it requires an epic musical understanding to do it justice” (Tim Page).
2: Heroic and impressive in quality: “Here in the courtroom . . . there was more of that epic atmosphere, the extra amperage of a special moment” (Scott Turow).
It doesn't surpass the usual or ordiinary. I've been to mine fights in SB with more people, and more guilds, that lasted longer. It's not heroic or of impressive quality. It's a bunch of people running around randomly wacking each other. It''s a skirmish nothing more. You want to watch that patting yourself on the back mate, you could dislocate your shoulder. Maybe some day Darkfall will have epic battles. It's not there yet.
Total ownage... I was just going to say that anyone who has ever played SB shits on this level of "epicness"...
This is like 150 level 30's in shadowbane fighting in front of Kings Cross...
You people have no skills, no powers, and this thread does not enhance your epeen, just make you look like PvP noobs who get a chubby any time you fight something thats not a mob.
No you are right... you are so much better than all of us.
Planetside, released in 2003, laughs at your epic battle.
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nothign you say or show will ever convince any of the idiots that live here that this game is any good. stop beating a dead horse and just forget about this site its shit.
BTW: That battle looked amazing I hope to get in on some of that soon.
Don't you want more people to play Darkfall? Wouldn't that be a good thing?
I think we've got that covered, seeing as the order page gets slammed every day it comes up.
Now, would I want to play with most of the people that post here? Absolutely, killing troll mobs in game is fun, but killing troll people? Hell, it would make my day every time it happened.
You all have missed truly epic fights in mmos. I've seen over a thousand people in one map in RF Online fighting and in Space Cowboy/Flysis/Air Rivals/etc I've seen a good 300 people onscreen at once.
Let me try to explain it to you. It's not about the number of people involved in battles. Sure, I've been in MUCH "larger" scale battles before, but it's about the gameplay and combat style of the game that makes it far superior in "fun-ness" and "epicness", in my mind and numerous others in the Darkfall server, to any other MMO out on the market now and in the past.
So wait...
The entire point of this thread - the very subject line - is about the number of players there were and how epic it was.
You had nothing to say to that.
Yet, as soon as someone states that they've seen higher in other MMOs... suddenly "it's not about the numbers".
There was the same waffling with graphics... when it was a positive thread "DF had the best graphics ever". As soon as someone pointed out a flaw, "Graphics don't matter... go back to WoW"
Would you people please stop waffling? Pick a point-of-view and stick with it. Seriously, I'm starting to become a bit embarrassed for some of you with the way you completely change your perspective on the drop of a dime.
"You people"? Show when I said that having 150 people in a battle is epic. My mind set has always been about the "kind" of battle that makes it epic.
So yes, I believe that having a 50v50 battle in Darkfall can be so much more epic then a 250v250 battle in, let's say, Dark Age of Camelot, considering I've played them both and can make that statement.
150? Thats looks like 30, tops. Planetside, released in 2003, laughs at your epic battle.
WOW! There must be at least 30 people there! That's way better than 150, right?
Seriously though, I prefer a good battle (tactics, and some actual fighting, and the longer the better!) than a 200v200 fight where nobody dares to go first, because they'd loose their 1337 loot...
Or even worse, 40v40, nobody dares to charge in, because if they do, the servers crash (lotro).
Also, DF is a few weeks old now, and there are already epic battles, if AV do their job, that will only improve.
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
My god, honestly... I think I'm actually going to stop looking at posts like these, because they just make me want the game MOAR!
This many players fighting with and against eachother to gain loot, power, etc. With the combat system Darkfall has, oh wow. It's going to be so cool to see (hopefuly by then I can play) these battles in about a month or two's time, when people are higher level...
People will have higher level skills, and will be able to obtain regants, so there'll be a variety of skills and spells all being used in a battle like this.
Can't wait to play... I'm doing this every day untill I get in, hopefuly today will be the day!
_________ Currently playing: Black Desert Korea (Waiting for EU)
Always hating on instances in MMOs! Open worlds, open PvP, territory control and housing please. More persistence, more fun.
150? Thats looks like 30, tops. Planetside, released in 2003, laughs at your epic battle.
WOW! There must be at least 30 people there! That's way better than 150, right?
Seriously though, I prefer a good battle (tactics, and some actual fighting, and the longer the better!) than a 200v200 fight where nobody dares to go first, because they'd loose their 1337 loot...
Or even worse, 40v40, nobody dares to charge in, because if they do, the servers crash (lotro).
Also, DF is a few weeks old now, and there are already epic battles, if AV do their job, that will only improve.
Planetside supports 150 x 150 x 150 per battle. What you are seeing here is one side loading up for battle. There are at least 8 people in each drop ship.
Planetside is a MMOFPS with full loot, a real FPS system in a persistent world.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Planetside supports 150 x 150 x 150 per battle. What you are seeing here is one side loading up for battle. There are at least 8 people in each drop ship.
Planetside is a MMOFPS with full loot, a real FPS system in a persistent world.
This game is crap. Noone played it. The graphics suck. The fights suck. there were no skills.
Why block out the map? To hide how many people there really are?
Maybe there were 150 people... But from all your pics we can see maybe tops 30. You know by posting stuff like this it only causes controversy. Maybe you should take some better screenshots next time and not block out the mini map.
Planetside supports 150 x 150 x 150 per battle. What you are seeing here is one side loading up for battle. There are at least 8 people in each drop ship.
Planetside is a MMOFPS with full loot, a real FPS system in a persistent world.
This game is crap. Noone played it. The graphics suck. The fights suck. there were no skills.
see I can do it too!
Where did i say anything of the like. I didn't.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Planetside supports 150 x 150 x 150 per battle. What you are seeing here is one side loading up for battle. There are at least 8 people in each drop ship.
Planetside is a MMOFPS with full loot, a real FPS system in a persistent world.
This game is crap. Noone played it. The graphics suck. The fights suck. there were no skills.
see I can do it too!
Where did i say anything of the like. I didn't.
that was more directed at the people that do talk like that.
Two hundred people whacking one another with 2 modes of attack. I am almost aroused. Sorry I get laughing confused with aroused a lot these days. Must the side effect of reading too much Tasos hype and the subsquent re conditioning.
Two hundred people whacking one another with 2 modes of attack. I am almost aroused. Sorry I get laughing confused with aroused a lot these days. Must the side effect of reading too much Tasos hype and the subsquent re conditioning.
how is that any different from 200 people auto targeting and spamming 5 over and over again?
Two hundred people whacking one another with 2 modes of attack. I am almost aroused. Sorry I get laughing confused with aroused a lot these days. Must the side effect of reading too much Tasos hype and the subsquent re conditioning.
how is that any different from 200 people auto targeting and spamming 5 over and over again?
Mount and blade.. cough.. cough.. high expectations for DF... Tasos invoked M&B many time.. drew me in... .. ruined.. ruined.. ruined I tell you. Whack.. whack.. whack.. whack... run .... run .. run .. whack... run !
Or more coherantly :
Two modes of attack with no reason to cover your buddies back and every reason to run around looking like a womble on speed.... it just don't excite me. Though I am looking forwards to video posting of this and dubbing it with Benny Hill music.
As I have said before even WoW has better combat in terms of more dynamics. Just making it "realtime" was not enough.. it had to be innovative, lightweight and fun. Instead AV relies on FFA full loot mechanics as if that is the only secret ingrediant missing from most MMOs. the real irony is that Df is suposed to be hardcore yet button mashing left mouse button with some right blocks thrown in (if anyone even bothers).. is hardly hardcore.
I think AV got the lightweight bit right I am vaugely impressed with the numbers.. I guess... .. did I just compliment AV then ? Oh gods...
Two hundred people whacking one another with 2 modes of attack. I am almost aroused. Sorry I get laughing confused with aroused a lot these days. Must the side effect of reading too much Tasos hype and the subsquent re conditioning.
how is that any different from 200 people auto targeting and spamming 5 over and over again?
Mount and blade.. cough.. cough.. high expectations for DF... Tasos invoked M&B many time.. drew me in... .. ruined.. ruined.. ruined I tell you. Whack.. whack.. whack.. whack... run .... run .. run .. whack... run !
Or more coherantly :
Two modes of attack with no reason to cover your buddies back and every reason to run around looking like a womble on speed.... it just don't excite me. Though I am looking forwards to video posting of this and dubbing it with Benny Hill music.
As I have said before even WoW has better combat in terms of more dynamics. Just making it "realtime" was not enough.. it had to be innovative, lightweight and fun. Instead AV relies on FFA full loot mechanics as if that is the only secret ingrediant missing from most MMOs. the real irony is that Df is suposed to be hardcore yet button mashing left mouse button with some right blocks thrown in (if anyone even bothers).. is hardly hardcore.
I think AV got the lightweight bit right I am vaugely impressed with the numbers.. I guess... .. did I just compliment AV then ? Oh gods...
While I agree with you on some points, most people that run around and mash buttons get owned. I learned the hard way. at first I thought thats all there was to it as well.. then I kept losing, real fast.
Then I realised, there is a bit more to it. not alot, but a bit.
I think that making blocking more reactive and maybe putting double tap dodges in would go a long way.
personaly I never got M&B, I could not get into it. but from what I see, there are some similarities.
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Let me try to explain it to you. It's not about the number of people involved in battles. Sure, I've been in MUCH "larger" scale battles before, but it's about the gameplay and combat style of the game that makes it far superior in "fun-ness" and "epicness", in my mind and numerous others in the Darkfall server, to any other MMO out on the market now and in the past.
Uh-huh. So Dark Merlin went out of his way tom point out the number in the thread title because it's irrelevant.
No, he pointed it out because people have only heard of 15-15'ish sized battles so far from beta until about now. Why wouldn't he post the number?
I've had some "epic" battles of 7v7 in Rainbow Six that surpass some of my experiences in 250v250 realm battles in DAoC. So yes, numbers don't mean jack shit.
The rationalizations never end do they? There's nothing epic about a 7v7. That's not what the word means.
epic: adj -
1: Surpassing the usual or ordinary, particularly in scope or size: “A vast musical panorama . . . it requires an epic musical understanding to do it justice” (Tim Page).
2: Heroic and impressive in quality: “Here in the courtroom . . . there was more of that epic atmosphere, the extra amperage of a special moment” (Scott Turow).
http://www.answers.com/topic/epic
Yep, fail again.
It doesn't surpass the usual or ordiinary. I've been to mine fights in SB with more people, and more guilds, that lasted longer. It's not heroic or of impressive quality. It's a bunch of people running around randomly wacking each other. It''s a skirmish nothing more. You want to watch that patting yourself on the back mate, you could dislocate your shoulder. Maybe some day Darkfall will have epic battles. It's not there yet.
Total ownage... I was just going to say that anyone who has ever played SB shits on this level of "epicness"...
This is like 150 level 30's in shadowbane fighting in front of Kings Cross...
You people have no skills, no powers, and this thread does not enhance your epeen, just make you look like PvP noobs who get a chubby any time you fight something thats not a mob.
No you are right... you are so much better than all of us.
how dare we have fun in a game... oh no...
150? Thats looks like 30, tops.
Planetside, released in 2003, laughs at your epic battle.
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"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Nice.
Thanks for posting!
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Its funny how people who hate Darkfall spend so much time talking about Darkfall.
I guess being a fat troll means having no friends, no girls, and nothing better to do than spew hate on internet forums..
Don't you want more people to play Darkfall? Wouldn't that be a good thing?
I think we've got that covered, seeing as the order page gets slammed every day it comes up.
Now, would I want to play with most of the people that post here? Absolutely, killing troll mobs in game is fun, but killing troll people? Hell, it would make my day every time it happened.
Let me try to explain it to you. It's not about the number of people involved in battles. Sure, I've been in MUCH "larger" scale battles before, but it's about the gameplay and combat style of the game that makes it far superior in "fun-ness" and "epicness", in my mind and numerous others in the Darkfall server, to any other MMO out on the market now and in the past.
So wait...
The entire point of this thread - the very subject line - is about the number of players there were and how epic it was.
You had nothing to say to that.
Yet, as soon as someone states that they've seen higher in other MMOs... suddenly "it's not about the numbers".
There was the same waffling with graphics... when it was a positive thread "DF had the best graphics ever". As soon as someone pointed out a flaw, "Graphics don't matter... go back to WoW"
Would you people please stop waffling? Pick a point-of-view and stick with it. Seriously, I'm starting to become a bit embarrassed for some of you with the way you completely change your perspective on the drop of a dime.
"You people"? Show when I said that having 150 people in a battle is epic. My mind set has always been about the "kind" of battle that makes it epic.
So yes, I believe that having a 50v50 battle in Darkfall can be so much more epic then a 250v250 battle in, let's say, Dark Age of Camelot, considering I've played them both and can make that statement.
Hell yeah..
www.youtube.com/watch
Yeah, you got a nice DAoC battle going on there.. Good Stuff!
WOW! There must be at least 30 people there! That's way better than 150, right?
Seriously though, I prefer a good battle (tactics, and some actual fighting, and the longer the better!) than a 200v200 fight where nobody dares to go first, because they'd loose their 1337 loot...
Or even worse, 40v40, nobody dares to charge in, because if they do, the servers crash (lotro).
Also, DF is a few weeks old now, and there are already epic battles, if AV do their job, that will only improve.
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
My god, honestly... I think I'm actually going to stop looking at posts like these, because they just make me want the game MOAR!
This many players fighting with and against eachother to gain loot, power, etc. With the combat system Darkfall has, oh wow. It's going to be so cool to see (hopefuly by then I can play) these battles in about a month or two's time, when people are higher level...
People will have higher level skills, and will be able to obtain regants, so there'll be a variety of skills and spells all being used in a battle like this.
Can't wait to play... I'm doing this every day untill I get in, hopefuly today will be the day!
_________
Currently playing: Black Desert Korea (Waiting for EU)
Always hating on instances in MMOs! Open worlds, open PvP, territory control and housing please. More persistence, more fun.
WOW! There must be at least 30 people there! That's way better than 150, right?
Seriously though, I prefer a good battle (tactics, and some actual fighting, and the longer the better!) than a 200v200 fight where nobody dares to go first, because they'd loose their 1337 loot...
Or even worse, 40v40, nobody dares to charge in, because if they do, the servers crash (lotro).
Also, DF is a few weeks old now, and there are already epic battles, if AV do their job, that will only improve.
Planetside supports 150 x 150 x 150 per battle. What you are seeing here is one side loading up for battle. There are at least 8 people in each drop ship.
Planetside is a MMOFPS with full loot, a real FPS system in a persistent world.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I remember this 2000 vs 1000 in EVE.
Yes there was lag - but EVE handles 300 vs 300 with ease.
This game is crap. Noone played it. The graphics suck. The fights suck. there were no skills.
see I can do it too!
Why block out the map? To hide how many people there really are?
Maybe there were 150 people... But from all your pics we can see maybe tops 30. You know by posting stuff like this it only causes controversy. Maybe you should take some better screenshots next time and not block out the mini map.
This game is crap. Noone played it. The graphics suck. The fights suck. there were no skills.
see I can do it too!
Where did i say anything of the like. I didn't.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
This game is crap. Noone played it. The graphics suck. The fights suck. there were no skills.
see I can do it too!
Where did i say anything of the like. I didn't.
that was more directed at the people that do talk like that.
Two hundred people whacking one another with 2 modes of attack. I am almost aroused. Sorry I get laughing confused with aroused a lot these days. Must the side effect of reading too much Tasos hype and the subsquent re conditioning.
how is that any different from 200 people auto targeting and spamming 5 over and over again?
Let us know when you have a 10,000 player fight, 150 is nothing special and is, in fact, not really that many by todays mmo standards.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
how is that any different from 200 people auto targeting and spamming 5 over and over again?
Mount and blade.. cough.. cough.. high expectations for DF... Tasos invoked M&B many time.. drew me in... .. ruined.. ruined.. ruined I tell you. Whack.. whack.. whack.. whack... run .... run .. run .. whack... run !
Or more coherantly :
Two modes of attack with no reason to cover your buddies back and every reason to run around looking like a womble on speed.... it just don't excite me. Though I am looking forwards to video posting of this and dubbing it with Benny Hill music.
As I have said before even WoW has better combat in terms of more dynamics. Just making it "realtime" was not enough.. it had to be innovative, lightweight and fun. Instead AV relies on FFA full loot mechanics as if that is the only secret ingrediant missing from most MMOs. the real irony is that Df is suposed to be hardcore yet button mashing left mouse button with some right blocks thrown in (if anyone even bothers).. is hardly hardcore.
I think AV got the lightweight bit right I am vaugely impressed with the numbers.. I guess... .. did I just compliment AV then ? Oh gods...
how is that any different from 200 people auto targeting and spamming 5 over and over again?
Mount and blade.. cough.. cough.. high expectations for DF... Tasos invoked M&B many time.. drew me in... .. ruined.. ruined.. ruined I tell you. Whack.. whack.. whack.. whack... run .... run .. run .. whack... run !
Or more coherantly :
Two modes of attack with no reason to cover your buddies back and every reason to run around looking like a womble on speed.... it just don't excite me. Though I am looking forwards to video posting of this and dubbing it with Benny Hill music.
As I have said before even WoW has better combat in terms of more dynamics. Just making it "realtime" was not enough.. it had to be innovative, lightweight and fun. Instead AV relies on FFA full loot mechanics as if that is the only secret ingrediant missing from most MMOs. the real irony is that Df is suposed to be hardcore yet button mashing left mouse button with some right blocks thrown in (if anyone even bothers).. is hardly hardcore.
I think AV got the lightweight bit right I am vaugely impressed with the numbers.. I guess... .. did I just compliment AV then ? Oh gods...
While I agree with you on some points, most people that run around and mash buttons get owned. I learned the hard way. at first I thought thats all there was to it as well.. then I kept losing, real fast.
Then I realised, there is a bit more to it. not alot, but a bit.
I think that making blocking more reactive and maybe putting double tap dodges in would go a long way.
personaly I never got M&B, I could not get into it. but from what I see, there are some similarities.