It's not. I'm really just bored and doing this for the lulz. I'm actually amazed at how many people didn't get that the original post was a satirical jab at the narcissistic asshats that make mountains out of mole hills to prove that their opinion is "right." We're all living in the same break-away glass houses, but some people just don't think a stone can be thrown their way. Just look at some of these replies.
You have to be a retard if that BS happens to you.
Like this guy has never had to juggle multiple disks, enter a CD key or had a game that crash or perform poorly even though they met the system specs. If you're a PC gamer, all of the above has happened to you at least once.
If the OP had attempted to compare 'like with like' then he might have had a valid point but the two formats are radically different, especially when it come to MMORPGs.
So it's unfair to compare a DVD player to a VCR? You can't compare a car to a truck? Seriously, why can't PC games just work Plug and Play? Microsoft has been promising that kind of functionality for years and it hasn't shown up. Steam is a little bit better in that regard, but I still have to wait forever to download the game I want. The laptop that I have runs hot as hell and I can't just leave it on overnight like my desktop. Then again, I can't leave my 360 running overnight either. There has to be a happy medium between the 10gig bastards and 500meg casual games. So far, there isn't anything like that on the PC.
And what do you do if you are playing a console game and you want to post an screenshot from your playtime in a forum?
I'm sorry, I'm too busy actually enjoying the game to think about Facebook while I'm playing. Maybe you need to find better games? How hard is it to route your console through your TiVo and record?
Anyway I prefer my pc, I can do a lot more stuff with it. I can edit the films i do with my friends, I can upload them to youtube, I can chat with friends, I can browse internet (Dont forget you are posting in this forum using your pc) I can ear music and wacht films
Wow, you do all of that WHILE you're playing a game??!! What're you playin'? Progress Quest? I bet you could do all of those things outside of a game with only half the computer you have now. A mid-range desktop and a console (or two) will probably come to about the same price as that gaming rig you're using.
The thing I have found, in owning my 360, is that roughly 95% of the released games are complete CRAP compared to what the hardware is capable of.
Sure consoles have a better 'pick up and play' quality, but PC's have an intimacy, immersiveness and interaction that you just do not get with other platforms. The mouse + keyboard combination is yet to be beaten and having the screen right in front of your face really makes you feel like you're 'in' the game.
This is all raw opinion. If it were a fact, then there wouldn't be gamepads and everyone would be wearing dork hats like the one below because having the screen right next to your eyelids is so much better than sitting with your nose six inches from the screen.
This woman is fully "immersed"....
Its known fact that crapy console ports tend to suck.
So if the game doesn't run right on the PC, it's the consoles fault? And if the PC game doesn't run properly on the console it's the Consoles fault? Am I the only person that blames the developers for this shit?
Or I enjoy a detailed, indepth experience. I dont want watered down dribble for the mainstream console retards who are to poor to actually buy real gear. Fuck consoles and fuck you.
Either this guy is a very unskilled troll, or a total narcissistic asshat. Anything to support your claims? Anything at all? No? Yeah, I'm thinking troll on this one....
You see, as long as I keep getting gold like this and can continue to fan the flames of stupidity, I can be entertained for the next couple of weeks at least. I'm sure the people that got the joke didn't reply. As for the rest that want to defend their faction to the death.... A good game is a good game whether it's on a PC, console, table or field. Platform really doesn't matter one wit.
What is the last great game that came out exclusively for pc? Crysis? Killzone 2 just dropped on PS3, I have so many console games I have about 5 unbeaten games.
There is nothing you can do on a PC that you can not do on this generation of consoles. Nothing.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
If all of that anti-PC stuff is true, then how come I still love my PC.
I have a 360 and a PS3, but I spend about 1/1000 of the time on them that I do on my computer. About the only time I play on my consoles is to play some fighting game when I have company. Then when they leave I go back to my computer again.
Plus, it's kinda fun to go to the electronics store and see all the new stuff I can buy. I love upgrading. It's a fun hobby.
What is the last great game that came out exclusively for pc? Crysis? Killzone 2 just dropped on PS3, I have so many console games I have about 5 unbeaten games.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
There is nothing you can do on a PC that you can not do on this generation of consoles. Nothing.
I can't stick a new video card in there or upgrade the motherboard.
And that is fun to me. I love buying new stuff to upgrade my computer when I feel like it. The same way some people like to tinker with their cars or fix up their yard or house. It's a fun hobby for me.
What is the last great game that came out exclusively for pc? Crysis? Killzone 2 just dropped on PS3, I have so many console games I have about 5 unbeaten games.
There is nothing you can do on a PC that you can not do on this generation of consoles. Nothing.
I can't stick a new video card in there or upgrade the motherboard.
And that is fun to me. I love buying new stuff to upgrade my computer when I feel like it. The same way some people like to tinker with their cars or fix up their yard or house. It's a fun hobby for me.
While thats true and I'm happy for you. Most people prefer to buy a new car so they don't have to do much to it. That doesn't mean the old tinkerbox someone else bought to work or built themselves is any better. Its just a matter of preference
I have an Xbox 360, but i rarely play it. Twitch games can be fun for me, but only in very small doses. Twitch games stress me out and therefore become very irritating if played more than an hour a month. This is why I used to like PC games so much, they focused more on the avatars strengths and abilities, not yours or your interenet connection. This is why I'm so pissed at the current trend in PC games and MMOs as they become more and more twitch based, console like. I feel like my play style is being phased out and it pisses the hell out of me as this has always been my favorite form of enteretainment.
Define "twitch" games and why all console games fall into that category. Im not really into fighting or shooting games, but I do enjoy sitting back on the couch and playing a nice rpg on a console. I don't consider those games to be "twitch"
Did someone say Wii?? What the hell is a Wii? Wii is a joke makes me mad to even think about a stupid Wii. I don't even go to wal-mart anymore because of that stupid Wii thing on display in the electronic section. Makes me sick to my stomach. What the hell is it anyways?
What is the last great game that came out exclusively for pc? Crysis? Killzone 2 just dropped on PS3, I have so many console games I have about 5 unbeaten games.
Warhammer Online Lord of the Rings Online World of Warcraft Everquest 2 Vanguard: SOH I love STILL playing all of those games. A lot.
Not to mention mods.. I love mods, and mods arent really feasible on consoles.. For every game i lay online i have mods for them.. Besides i need a keyboard and a mouse when i play. i just cant the whole controller thing. yea i know "it is possible to get a keyboard for the consoles", only a few games are build to support keyboard and mouse on consoles. I also love that when i use a pc, it is something i have build up from the ground. Gathered all the hardware, installed all the software etc. it is something i have 'created'. A console is just a generic thril thing.
What you did is list all the positives (or the sole positive) of a console and simply said "Ignore that stuff, I don't care about it". The one and only reason to really buy a console, is the simplicity. I would say there's the social aspect too, being able to play with 4 people in one room on the same system.
Although you're still stuck with games that are harnessed by old technology until they bring out a new console. You have much less games than the PC and most console games are twitch-based, many shooting games with burly men and aliens. Few come out that I say are really worth the time of a living being. And may I ask, what can you do with that system you just paid 600 bucks for? Play games? Oh, amazing, it has a web browser! Wait... it's slow and can't even use Java. While my PC, for a good bit more (roughly, $2000 give or take a couple hundred) can browse the web smoothly, play more games, of a greater variety, with more options (online play that I don't have to pay per month for) and that are more advanced. As for the last more advanced bit, let me put forth this example:
Two years ago, in 2007, a game called Crysis was released. Crysis was one of the first DirectX 10 titles for the PC and few computers could run it steadily at full res. Now, two years later, I look at some of the latest XBox 360 titles, let's take.... Gears of War 2. The game's models are still a lower poly than many PC Games nowadays, and the two year old Crysis. It lacks advanced lighting such as that in Crysis, and also in some PC Games coming out now. The AI and gameplay itself is not as advanced as Crysis or games comparable to GoW2 on the PC (I'm not saying there's a huge gap here, but there is a difference).
There's mods too, we can't forget those. The fun little, or large, addons that increase a games playability and replayability almost infinitely. The ones that turn Half life to Star Wars. And no, LittleBigPlanet, is not anything close. That wimpy map maker on Far Cry 2, while fun to play with, it not even skirting the boundary of PC modding. Check out www.moddb.com.
In the end, game makers have been working with the PC for ages, developing tips and tricks that have evolved over time and resulted in the games we have now. Consoles must be relearned each time, as many times engines cannot be passed from one to the other (while I can still run the first Unreal Engine on my PC).
In the end, consoles may be simpler, just making you put in a disc and turn it on, maybe click through a few menus. But the games last around 20 hours if you're lucky (without online play) and the technology is not as advanced. Also many games aren't compatible with future generations, as seen with the 360. Developers must relearn engines east generation meaning games are less refined for the first few years. While PCs are always back-compatible (there may be one or two special exceptions). Developers need to learn about new software and hardware, but can apply tips and tricks learned on future engines. The games also last longer, at least some or most do. Take the first Neverwinter Nights, with the amount of expansions that game could last you hundreds of hours. Or MMORPGs that really, never end.
As for the OP, I think your computer really sucks if you launch ANY menu screen at 4 FPS (Crysis' menu screen doesn't launch at 4FPS, Mass Effect's doesn't, no game's does because it's usually a 2D GUI). That you know little about the use of computers, and because of that is probably running a 3 year old Gateway that hasn't ever been upgraded or cleaned. You also mentioned number of games, may I mention then, that the PC has may times more games than a console? For the fact I can fire up the Zork trilogy and then when I'm done go play Call of Duty 5? Our games span from the 1980's to the present. Not to mention mods...
Thank You,
- Eric
ADDITION: I just read some of the other post, last great PC Games? Empire Total War was received very well. Dawn of War 2 also got resounding cheers. Hey look, two. Only 5 unbeaten games? Let me count mine... I would say somewhere in the high 20's for my PC collection. Low-Mid 30's including MMORPGs, which are never really beaten (no, hitting the level cap is not beating the game).
It was a joke you say? I just re-read the first post many times over and thought "Wow... that sounds pretty damn serious to me. There's a list, couple of ranting sentences... hmm... doesn't seem funny... I know satire, I see none of it... Must be a serious post." And you're on a frakking EEE PC? Off course you're not going to do crap on it. It's meant for web browsing, music, and video. Not video games.
PC Games have more depth, yes. At least many of the exclusive titles such as NWN and the Total War series.
May I also add, people who post rants provoking response "For the lulz" are called trolls. There are not looked upon very nicely by... anyone. And are in fact reportable.
____________________________ Telthalion Rohircil - Guardian - Elemandir - Lord of The Rings Online --- == RIP == Torey - Commando - Orion - Tabula Rasa == RIP == --- Jordaniel Torey - Navy Megathron, Active Armor Tank - Tranquility - EVE Online --- Torey Scott - Rifleman - Fallen Earth ____________________________
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
Although you're still stuck with games that are harnessed by old technology until they bring out a new console. The same could be said for PC games; consoles tend to last 4-5 years before the next generation comes out? .. but when was the last time that you upgraded your PC's graphics card, processor or RAM? Or bought a new PC altogether? Two years ago, in 2007, a game called Crysis was relased. Crysis was one of the first DirectX 10 titles for the PC and few computers could run it steadly at full res. Now, two years later, I look at some of the latest XBox 360 titles, let's take.... Gears of War 2. The game's models are still a lower poly than many PC Games nowadays, and the two year old Crysis. It lacks advanced lighting such as that in Crysis, and also in some PC Games coming out now. The AI and gameplay itself is not as advanced as Crysis or games comparable to GoW2 on the PC (I'm not saying there's a huge gap here, but there is a difference). To refer back to my previous comment and as you yourself stated; when Crysis was released, what population of the PC gaming community had a PC that could run it with reasonable performance? I get what you're saying regarding the quality and intricacies of Crysis' graphics compared to console titles of the time, but the hardware capabilities of the average (i.e. not top-end) PC are several years behind the cutting-edge too. There's mods too, we can't forget those. The fun little, or large, addons that increase a games playability and reeplayability almost infinitely. The ones that turn Half life to Star Wars. And no, LittleBigPlanet, is not anything close. That wimpy map maker on Far Cry 2, while fun to play with, it not even skirting the boundry of PC modding. Check out www.moddb.com. Consoles have HDDs now, and there are expansions and downloadable content packs appearing for their games now; I'm sure that it won't be long before full user-generated content mods are supported. In the end, game makers have been working with the PC for ages, developing tips and tricks that have evolved over time and resulted in the games we have now. Consoles must be relearned each time, as many times engines cannot be passed from one to the other (while I can still run the first Unreal Engine on my PC). I can't help but think that game makers would prefer to create games on hardware that is standardized and doesn't suffer from the multitude of potential hardware/software conflicts that inevitably result from the PC being a modular system with multiple operating systems.
I do believe that consoles are the future of gaming; every generation of console hardware narrows the gap and affords additional functionality that was previously only available to the PC. That's a trend that I don't see changing; so we'll eventually reach a point where a console basically IS a PC, just without all the complexities that the average gamer would love to see the back of.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
Although you're still stuck with games that are harnessed by old technology until they bring out a new console. The same could be said for PC games; consoles tend to last 4-5 years before the next generation comes out? .. but when was the last time that you upgraded your PC's graphics card, processor or RAM? Or bought a new PC altogether? Two years ago, in 2007, a game called Crysis was relased. Crysis was one of the first DirectX 10 titles for the PC and few computers could run it steadly at full res. Now, two years later, I look at some of the latest XBox 360 titles, let's take.... Gears of War 2. The game's models are still a lower poly than many PC Games nowadays, and the two year old Crysis. It lacks advanced lighting such as that in Crysis, and also in some PC Games coming out now. The AI and gameplay itself is not as advanced as Crysis or games comparable to GoW2 on the PC (I'm not saying there's a huge gap here, but there is a difference). To refer back to my previous comment and as you yourself stated; when Crysis was released, what population of the PC gaming community had a PC that could run it with reasonable performance? I get what you're saying regarding the quality and intricacies of Crysis' graphics compared to console titles of the time, but the hardware capabilities of the average (i.e. not top-end) PC are several years behind the cutting-edge too. There's mods too, we can't forget those. The fun little, or large, addons that increase a games playability and reeplayability almost infinitely. The ones that turn Half life to Star Wars. And no, LittleBigPlanet, is not anything close. That wimpy map maker on Far Cry 2, while fun to play with, it not even skirting the boundry of PC modding. Check out www.moddb.com. Consoles have HDDs now, and there are expansions and downloadable content packs appearing for their games now; I'm sure that it won't be long before full user-generated content mods are supported. In the end, game makers have been working with the PC for ages, developing tips and tricks that have evolved over time and resulted in the games we have now. Consoles must be relearned each time, as many times engines cannot be passed from one to the other (while I can still run the first Unreal Engine on my PC). I can't help but think that game makers would prefer to create games on hardware that is standardized and doesn't suffer from the multitude of potential hardware/software conflicts that inevitably result from the PC being a modular system with multiple operating systems.
I do believe that consoles are the future of gaming; every generation of console hardware narrows the gap and affords additional functionality that was previously only available to the PC. That's a trend that I don't see changing; so we'll eventually reach a point where a console basically IS a PC, just without all the complexities that the average gamer would love to see the back of.
You think that them having HDDs means they're close to the total conversion mods of HL2? No. The interface would suck, that or you'd be forced to buy a ton of different stuff to get custom textures and animations and rigs into the game. It'll be a very, very, very long time before we get full blown mods into consoles, if ever.
I upgrade my PC twice yearly, not every 4 or 5 years. I'm not talking about the average PC user, as they all play FreeCell or WoW. I'm talking about those of us with the high-end systems who do care about gaming.
And as the consoles close the gap to PCs, PCs widen the gap. As console tech get's better, PC tech get's better. That's the way it goes.
____________________________ Telthalion Rohircil - Guardian - Elemandir - Lord of The Rings Online --- == RIP == Torey - Commando - Orion - Tabula Rasa == RIP == --- Jordaniel Torey - Navy Megathron, Active Armor Tank - Tranquility - EVE Online --- Torey Scott - Rifleman - Fallen Earth ____________________________
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
What is the last great game that came out exclusively for pc? Crysis? Killzone 2 just dropped on PS3, I have so many console games I have about 5 unbeaten games.
There is nothing you can do on a PC that you can not do on this generation of consoles. Nothing.
I can't stick a new video card in there or upgrade the motherboard.
And that is fun to me. I love buying new stuff to upgrade my computer when I feel like it. The same way some people like to tinker with their cars or fix up their yard or house. It's a fun hobby for me.
While thats true and I'm happy for you. Most people prefer to buy a new car so they don't have to do much to it. That doesn't mean the old tinkerbox someone else bought to work or built themselves is any better. Its just a matter of preference
That wasn't your point.
And actually, I bought my brand new Ram truck so I could add on to it. There is a thriving business around adding on to new cars and trucks. I'm guessing just as big as the classic rebuilding market.
There is nothing you can do on a PC that you can not do on this generation of consoles. Nothing.
I can't stick a new video card in there or upgrade the motherboard.
And that is fun to me. I love buying new stuff to upgrade my computer when I feel like it. The same way some people like to tinker with their cars or fix up their yard or house. It's a fun hobby for me.
While thats true and I'm happy for you. Most people prefer to buy a new car so they don't have to do much to it. That doesn't mean the old tinkerbox someone else bought to work or built themselves is any better. Its just a matter of preference
That wasn't your point.
And actually, I bought my brand new Ram truck so I could add on to it. There is a thriving business around adding on to new cars and trucks. I'm guessing just as big as the classic rebuilding market.
and thats fine, but that's not what most people do. Most people don't have the know how or desire to add on or build thier own. That applies to both vehicles and pcs. Sure its cheaper to build your own pc, but there's a reason stores make so much on selling pre-built and usually inferior rigs. Most people just prefer to pick up and play.
Did someone say Wii?? What the hell is a Wii? Wii is a joke makes me mad to even think about a stupid Wii. I don't even go to wal-mart anymore because of that stupid Wii thing on display in the electronic section. Makes me sick to my stomach. What the hell is it anyways?
Haha, I too thought wtf, wii? But I bought one and it's great. There is a reason it outsold both ps3 and xbox360 by almost double, it's a lot of fun for casual style gaming. It's the only console that my girlfriend can sit and play with me for a couple of hours. Let's face it most chicks hate gaming, atleast when their boyfriends are very much into it.
On a side note why would you get angry over seeing a wii display. lol. I hope you are overexaggerating.
What is the last great game that came out exclusively for pc? Crysis? Killzone 2 just dropped on PS3, I have so many console games I have about 5 unbeaten games.
Beh, sorry, but none of that seems new and exciting to me. That is my opinion of course, so don't freak out.
I don't get that response to me answering your question. All of those games have sold tons and continue to have strong player bases. Especially the first 4.
I don't think of the pc and consoles competing with each other really. I really think of them as having different places and markets. Like I said, I have both but use them for completely different gaming. I think of my consoles as party toys, and I think of my pc as a gaming rig.
I like console and PC gaming. The thing i dislike about both is the controller options. I like console controllers better than mouse/keyboard, but console controllers don't have enough options and mouse/keyboard has too many.
There is nothing you can do on a PC that you can not do on this generation of consoles. Nothing.
I can't stick a new video card in there or upgrade the motherboard.
And that is fun to me. I love buying new stuff to upgrade my computer when I feel like it. The same way some people like to tinker with their cars or fix up their yard or house. It's a fun hobby for me.
While thats true and I'm happy for you. Most people prefer to buy a new car so they don't have to do much to it. That doesn't mean the old tinkerbox someone else bought to work or built themselves is any better. Its just a matter of preference
That wasn't your point.
And actually, I bought my brand new Ram truck so I could add on to it. There is a thriving business around adding on to new cars and trucks. I'm guessing just as big as the classic rebuilding market.
and thats fine, but that's not what most people do. Most people don't have the know how or desire to add on or build thier own. That applies to both vehicles and pcs. Sure its cheaper to build your own pc, but there's a reason stores make so much on selling pre-built and usually inferior rigs. Most people just prefer to pick up and play.
Right. But you said there is nothing you can do on a PC that can't be done on the latest consoles.
And stores like Fry's are still spreading, thriving, and carrying tons of computer components. While stores like Gamespot may have changed, electronics stores still have more people hanging out around the hardware section (at least at my local shop they do). And I see those console kids coming over all the time watching and listening to us talk. They're interested. They're just waiting until they can get a job and afford to buy the components. When they're ready, we'll be more than happy to teach them. It's a fun thing to pass on.
You can tear apart your ps3 and throw in a new hard drive and it won't void your warrenty. In fact sony has instructions on their website on how to do it. Also, you can install linux on it if you are into that sort of stuff.
I too enjoy tinkering with pcs and overclocking them, but with my current build, just thinking about taking off the huge-ass heatsink that is screwed to a retention bracket on the back of the mb makes me cringe. My 750watt corsair powersupply has enough wires to power two pcs, jeez. I hope I never have to work on this computer, ever... I had a blast building it but thinking about tie wrapping and doing wire management again is just scary.
Let's face it though the majority of people don't care about that sort of stuff. We are a minority imo.
What is the last great game that came out exclusively for pc? Crysis? Killzone 2 just dropped on PS3, I have so many console games I have about 5 unbeaten games.
Beh, sorry, but none of that seems new and exciting to me. That is my opinion of course, so don't freak out.
I don't get that response to me answering your question. All of those games have sold tons and continue to have strong player bases. Especially the first 4.
I don't think of the pc and consoles competing with each other really. I really think of them as having different places and markets. Like I said, I have both but use them for completely different gaming. I think of my consoles as party toys, and I think of my pc as a gaming rig.
I completely agree with you that they both have their place. What I mean by new and exciting is I have already tried all those games in search of a fun mmo to stick with. WOW held me for a long time but I just quit recently. Those are good games and yes tons of people still play them, but they are dated to me, I have lost interest in them.
For console though something new is coming out every two-three weeks. When I went to buy RE5 I had to wait in a 40 minute line at 12am for the midnight release, tons of people were there to mingle with, it was fun. Same thing for Killzone2. The last time I went to something like this was for WOTLK for pc. That's all I'm saying. Consoles have a ton of new games coming out constantly.
I'll have more faith in my pc once I find another MMO.
And I'd like to take a moment to give the Golden Asshat award to Nicklepat for embodying the very essence of smug, narcissitic fucktardery that inspired me to re-ignite this stupid fucking flame war. Bravo, Nicklepat! You truely are an inspiration to mindless fanboys everywhere.
BTW, did you know that you can play Crysis with an XBox 360 controller? Shit one not. The game has built in support for the 360 controller so I don't have to use a profiler. Isn't that an interesting design decision?
And just how does Crysis differ from Far Cry? Aside from graphics and setting I mean. In other words, what is fundamentally different about Crysis's gameplay that sets it apart from other free roaming FPS games? Super powers? Haze, Timeshift, Project Snowblind.... Why we could go further back and call up the first Jedi Knight game. Free Roaming? Well the original Far Cry and the GTA series already went there... Hmmm.....
Sorry Nicklepat, you haven't convinced me. Then again, I still play Master of Magic, Ultima Underworld, Street Fighter 2, Soul Calibur 2 (Dreamcast), Virtual On, Mechwarrior 4, StarCraft, Counter-Strike 1.6, Quake 3 (now Live) and a host of other games that don't even remotely require the latest and greatest hardware to run.
Some of us are more interested in how a game plays than how it looks.
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It's not. I'm really just bored and doing this for the lulz. I'm actually amazed at how many people didn't get that the original post was a satirical jab at the narcissistic asshats that make mountains out of mole hills to prove that their opinion is "right." We're all living in the same break-away glass houses, but some people just don't think a stone can be thrown their way. Just look at some of these replies.
You have to be a retard if that BS happens to you.
Like this guy has never had to juggle multiple disks, enter a CD key or had a game that crash or perform poorly even though they met the system specs. If you're a PC gamer, all of the above has happened to you at least once.
If the OP had attempted to compare 'like with like' then he might have had a valid point but the two formats are radically different, especially when it come to MMORPGs.
So it's unfair to compare a DVD player to a VCR? You can't compare a car to a truck? Seriously, why can't PC games just work Plug and Play? Microsoft has been promising that kind of functionality for years and it hasn't shown up. Steam is a little bit better in that regard, but I still have to wait forever to download the game I want. The laptop that I have runs hot as hell and I can't just leave it on overnight like my desktop. Then again, I can't leave my 360 running overnight either. There has to be a happy medium between the 10gig bastards and 500meg casual games. So far, there isn't anything like that on the PC.
And what do you do if you are playing a console game and you want to post an screenshot from your playtime in a forum?
I'm sorry, I'm too busy actually enjoying the game to think about Facebook while I'm playing. Maybe you need to find better games? How hard is it to route your console through your TiVo and record?
Anyway I prefer my pc, I can do a lot more stuff with it. I can edit the films i do with my friends, I can upload them to youtube, I can chat with friends, I can browse internet (Dont forget you are posting in this forum using your pc) I can ear music and wacht films
Wow, you do all of that WHILE you're playing a game??!! What're you playin'? Progress Quest? I bet you could do all of those things outside of a game with only half the computer you have now. A mid-range desktop and a console (or two) will probably come to about the same price as that gaming rig you're using.
The thing I have found, in owning my 360, is that roughly 95% of the released games are complete CRAP compared to what the hardware is capable of.
Yes, because we all know how riveting and "cutting edge" Bookworm, Bejeweled and Diner Dash are.....
Sure consoles have a better 'pick up and play' quality, but PC's have an intimacy, immersiveness and interaction that you just do not get with other platforms. The mouse + keyboard combination is yet to be beaten and having the screen right in front of your face really makes you feel like you're 'in' the game.
This is all raw opinion. If it were a fact, then there wouldn't be gamepads and everyone would be wearing dork hats like the one below because having the screen right next to your eyelids is so much better than sitting with your nose six inches from the screen.
This woman is fully "immersed"....
Its known fact that crapy console ports tend to suck.
So if the game doesn't run right on the PC, it's the consoles fault? And if the PC game doesn't run properly on the console it's the Consoles fault? Am I the only person that blames the developers for this shit?
Or I enjoy a detailed, indepth experience. I dont want watered down dribble for the mainstream console retards who are to poor to actually buy real gear. Fuck consoles and fuck you.
Either this guy is a very unskilled troll, or a total narcissistic asshat. Anything to support your claims? Anything at all? No? Yeah, I'm thinking troll on this one....
You see, as long as I keep getting gold like this and can continue to fan the flames of stupidity, I can be entertained for the next couple of weeks at least. I'm sure the people that got the joke didn't reply. As for the rest that want to defend their faction to the death.... A good game is a good game whether it's on a PC, console, table or field. Platform really doesn't matter one wit.
www.totalwar.com/empire/
www.dawnofwar2.com/us/home
Maybe its time for you to move on?
There is nothing you can do on a PC that you can not do on this generation of consoles. Nothing.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
If all of that anti-PC stuff is true, then how come I still love my PC.
I have a 360 and a PS3, but I spend about 1/1000 of the time on them that I do on my computer. About the only time I play on my consoles is to play some fighting game when I have company. Then when they leave I go back to my computer again.
Plus, it's kinda fun to go to the electronics store and see all the new stuff I can buy. I love upgrading. It's a fun hobby.
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www.totalwar.com/empire/
www.dawnofwar2.com/us/home
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I can't stick a new video card in there or upgrade the motherboard.
And that is fun to me. I love buying new stuff to upgrade my computer when I feel like it. The same way some people like to tinker with their cars or fix up their yard or house. It's a fun hobby for me.
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www.totalwar.com/empire/
www.dawnofwar2.com/us/home
Warhammer Online
Lord of the Rings Online
World of Warcraft
Everquest 2
Vanguard: SOH
I love STILL playing all of those games. A lot.
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I can't stick a new video card in there or upgrade the motherboard.
And that is fun to me. I love buying new stuff to upgrade my computer when I feel like it. The same way some people like to tinker with their cars or fix up their yard or house. It's a fun hobby for me.
While thats true and I'm happy for you. Most people prefer to buy a new car so they don't have to do much to it. That doesn't mean the old tinkerbox someone else bought to work or built themselves is any better. Its just a matter of preference
Define "twitch" games and why all console games fall into that category. Im not really into fighting or shooting games, but I do enjoy sitting back on the couch and playing a nice rpg on a console. I don't consider those games to be "twitch"
Did someone say Wii?? What the hell is a Wii? Wii is a joke makes me mad to even think about a stupid Wii. I don't even go to wal-mart anymore because of that stupid Wii thing on display in the electronic section. Makes me sick to my stomach. What the hell is it anyways?
Not to mention mods.. I love mods, and mods arent really feasible on consoles..
For every game i lay online i have mods for them..
Besides i need a keyboard and a mouse when i play. i just cant the whole controller thing. yea i know "it is possible to get a keyboard for the consoles", only a few games are build to support keyboard and mouse on consoles.
I also love that when i use a pc, it is something i have build up from the ground. Gathered all the hardware, installed all the software etc. it is something i have 'created'. A console is just a generic thril thing.
http://www.hl2mods.co.uk/
http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/
etc. etc.. name a game and you can almost alwasy get a mod for it, on the pc
I disagree with the OP for many... many reasons.
What you did is list all the positives (or the sole positive) of a console and simply said "Ignore that stuff, I don't care about it". The one and only reason to really buy a console, is the simplicity. I would say there's the social aspect too, being able to play with 4 people in one room on the same system.
Although you're still stuck with games that are harnessed by old technology until they bring out a new console. You have much less games than the PC and most console games are twitch-based, many shooting games with burly men and aliens. Few come out that I say are really worth the time of a living being. And may I ask, what can you do with that system you just paid 600 bucks for? Play games? Oh, amazing, it has a web browser! Wait... it's slow and can't even use Java. While my PC, for a good bit more (roughly, $2000 give or take a couple hundred) can browse the web smoothly, play more games, of a greater variety, with more options (online play that I don't have to pay per month for) and that are more advanced. As for the last more advanced bit, let me put forth this example:
Two years ago, in 2007, a game called Crysis was released. Crysis was one of the first DirectX 10 titles for the PC and few computers could run it steadily at full res. Now, two years later, I look at some of the latest XBox 360 titles, let's take.... Gears of War 2. The game's models are still a lower poly than many PC Games nowadays, and the two year old Crysis. It lacks advanced lighting such as that in Crysis, and also in some PC Games coming out now. The AI and gameplay itself is not as advanced as Crysis or games comparable to GoW2 on the PC (I'm not saying there's a huge gap here, but there is a difference).
There's mods too, we can't forget those. The fun little, or large, addons that increase a games playability and replayability almost infinitely. The ones that turn Half life to Star Wars. And no, LittleBigPlanet, is not anything close. That wimpy map maker on Far Cry 2, while fun to play with, it not even skirting the boundary of PC modding. Check out www.moddb.com.
In the end, game makers have been working with the PC for ages, developing tips and tricks that have evolved over time and resulted in the games we have now. Consoles must be relearned each time, as many times engines cannot be passed from one to the other (while I can still run the first Unreal Engine on my PC).
In the end, consoles may be simpler, just making you put in a disc and turn it on, maybe click through a few menus. But the games last around 20 hours if you're lucky (without online play) and the technology is not as advanced. Also many games aren't compatible with future generations, as seen with the 360. Developers must relearn engines east generation meaning games are less refined for the first few years. While PCs are always back-compatible (there may be one or two special exceptions). Developers need to learn about new software and hardware, but can apply tips and tricks learned on future engines. The games also last longer, at least some or most do. Take the first Neverwinter Nights, with the amount of expansions that game could last you hundreds of hours. Or MMORPGs that really, never end.
As for the OP, I think your computer really sucks if you launch ANY menu screen at 4 FPS (Crysis' menu screen doesn't launch at 4FPS, Mass Effect's doesn't, no game's does because it's usually a 2D GUI). That you know little about the use of computers, and because of that is probably running a 3 year old Gateway that hasn't ever been upgraded or cleaned. You also mentioned number of games, may I mention then, that the PC has may times more games than a console? For the fact I can fire up the Zork trilogy and then when I'm done go play Call of Duty 5? Our games span from the 1980's to the present. Not to mention mods...
Thank You,
- Eric
ADDITION: I just read some of the other post, last great PC Games? Empire Total War was received very well. Dawn of War 2 also got resounding cheers. Hey look, two. Only 5 unbeaten games? Let me count mine... I would say somewhere in the high 20's for my PC collection. Low-Mid 30's including MMORPGs, which are never really beaten (no, hitting the level cap is not beating the game).
It was a joke you say? I just re-read the first post many times over and thought "Wow... that sounds pretty damn serious to me. There's a list, couple of ranting sentences... hmm... doesn't seem funny... I know satire, I see none of it... Must be a serious post." And you're on a frakking EEE PC? Off course you're not going to do crap on it. It's meant for web browsing, music, and video. Not video games.
PC Games have more depth, yes. At least many of the exclusive titles such as NWN and the Total War series.
May I also add, people who post rants provoking response "For the lulz" are called trolls. There are not looked upon very nicely by... anyone. And are in fact reportable.
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
I do believe that consoles are the future of gaming; every generation of console hardware narrows the gap and affords additional functionality that was previously only available to the PC. That's a trend that I don't see changing; so we'll eventually reach a point where a console basically IS a PC, just without all the complexities that the average gamer would love to see the back of.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
I do believe that consoles are the future of gaming; every generation of console hardware narrows the gap and affords additional functionality that was previously only available to the PC. That's a trend that I don't see changing; so we'll eventually reach a point where a console basically IS a PC, just without all the complexities that the average gamer would love to see the back of.
You think that them having HDDs means they're close to the total conversion mods of HL2? No. The interface would suck, that or you'd be forced to buy a ton of different stuff to get custom textures and animations and rigs into the game. It'll be a very, very, very long time before we get full blown mods into consoles, if ever.
I upgrade my PC twice yearly, not every 4 or 5 years. I'm not talking about the average PC user, as they all play FreeCell or WoW. I'm talking about those of us with the high-end systems who do care about gaming.
And as the consoles close the gap to PCs, PCs widen the gap. As console tech get's better, PC tech get's better. That's the way it goes.
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Torey Scott - Rifleman - Fallen Earth
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
www.totalwar.com/empire/
www.dawnofwar2.com/us/home
Warhammer Online
Lord of the Rings Online
World of Warcraft
Everquest 2
Vanguard: SOH
I love STILL playing all of those games. A lot.
Beh, sorry, but none of that seems new and exciting to me. That is my opinion of course, so don't freak out.
I can't stick a new video card in there or upgrade the motherboard.
And that is fun to me. I love buying new stuff to upgrade my computer when I feel like it. The same way some people like to tinker with their cars or fix up their yard or house. It's a fun hobby for me.
While thats true and I'm happy for you. Most people prefer to buy a new car so they don't have to do much to it. That doesn't mean the old tinkerbox someone else bought to work or built themselves is any better. Its just a matter of preference
That wasn't your point.
And actually, I bought my brand new Ram truck so I could add on to it. There is a thriving business around adding on to new cars and trucks. I'm guessing just as big as the classic rebuilding market.
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I can't stick a new video card in there or upgrade the motherboard.
And that is fun to me. I love buying new stuff to upgrade my computer when I feel like it. The same way some people like to tinker with their cars or fix up their yard or house. It's a fun hobby for me.
While thats true and I'm happy for you. Most people prefer to buy a new car so they don't have to do much to it. That doesn't mean the old tinkerbox someone else bought to work or built themselves is any better. Its just a matter of preference
That wasn't your point.
And actually, I bought my brand new Ram truck so I could add on to it. There is a thriving business around adding on to new cars and trucks. I'm guessing just as big as the classic rebuilding market.
and thats fine, but that's not what most people do. Most people don't have the know how or desire to add on or build thier own. That applies to both vehicles and pcs. Sure its cheaper to build your own pc, but there's a reason stores make so much on selling pre-built and usually inferior rigs. Most people just prefer to pick up and play.
Haha, I too thought wtf, wii? But I bought one and it's great. There is a reason it outsold both ps3 and xbox360 by almost double, it's a lot of fun for casual style gaming. It's the only console that my girlfriend can sit and play with me for a couple of hours. Let's face it most chicks hate gaming, atleast when their boyfriends are very much into it.
On a side note why would you get angry over seeing a wii display. lol. I hope you are overexaggerating.
www.totalwar.com/empire/
www.dawnofwar2.com/us/home
Warhammer Online
Lord of the Rings Online
World of Warcraft
Everquest 2
Vanguard: SOH
I love STILL playing all of those games. A lot.
Beh, sorry, but none of that seems new and exciting to me. That is my opinion of course, so don't freak out.
I don't get that response to me answering your question. All of those games have sold tons and continue to have strong player bases. Especially the first 4.
I don't think of the pc and consoles competing with each other really. I really think of them as having different places and markets. Like I said, I have both but use them for completely different gaming. I think of my consoles as party toys, and I think of my pc as a gaming rig.
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I like console and PC gaming. The thing i dislike about both is the controller options. I like console controllers better than mouse/keyboard, but console controllers don't have enough options and mouse/keyboard has too many.
My sig is just as logical as your posts are
I can't stick a new video card in there or upgrade the motherboard.
And that is fun to me. I love buying new stuff to upgrade my computer when I feel like it. The same way some people like to tinker with their cars or fix up their yard or house. It's a fun hobby for me.
While thats true and I'm happy for you. Most people prefer to buy a new car so they don't have to do much to it. That doesn't mean the old tinkerbox someone else bought to work or built themselves is any better. Its just a matter of preference
That wasn't your point.
And actually, I bought my brand new Ram truck so I could add on to it. There is a thriving business around adding on to new cars and trucks. I'm guessing just as big as the classic rebuilding market.
and thats fine, but that's not what most people do. Most people don't have the know how or desire to add on or build thier own. That applies to both vehicles and pcs. Sure its cheaper to build your own pc, but there's a reason stores make so much on selling pre-built and usually inferior rigs. Most people just prefer to pick up and play.
Right. But you said there is nothing you can do on a PC that can't be done on the latest consoles.
And stores like Fry's are still spreading, thriving, and carrying tons of computer components. While stores like Gamespot may have changed, electronics stores still have more people hanging out around the hardware section (at least at my local shop they do). And I see those console kids coming over all the time watching and listening to us talk. They're interested. They're just waiting until they can get a job and afford to buy the components. When they're ready, we'll be more than happy to teach them. It's a fun thing to pass on.
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You can tear apart your ps3 and throw in a new hard drive and it won't void your warrenty. In fact sony has instructions on their website on how to do it. Also, you can install linux on it if you are into that sort of stuff.
I too enjoy tinkering with pcs and overclocking them, but with my current build, just thinking about taking off the huge-ass heatsink that is screwed to a retention bracket on the back of the mb makes me cringe. My 750watt corsair powersupply has enough wires to power two pcs, jeez. I hope I never have to work on this computer, ever... I had a blast building it but thinking about tie wrapping and doing wire management again is just scary.
Let's face it though the majority of people don't care about that sort of stuff. We are a minority imo.
www.totalwar.com/empire/
www.dawnofwar2.com/us/home
Warhammer Online
Lord of the Rings Online
World of Warcraft
Everquest 2
Vanguard: SOH
I love STILL playing all of those games. A lot.
Beh, sorry, but none of that seems new and exciting to me. That is my opinion of course, so don't freak out.
I don't get that response to me answering your question. All of those games have sold tons and continue to have strong player bases. Especially the first 4.
I don't think of the pc and consoles competing with each other really. I really think of them as having different places and markets. Like I said, I have both but use them for completely different gaming. I think of my consoles as party toys, and I think of my pc as a gaming rig.
I completely agree with you that they both have their place. What I mean by new and exciting is I have already tried all those games in search of a fun mmo to stick with. WOW held me for a long time but I just quit recently. Those are good games and yes tons of people still play them, but they are dated to me, I have lost interest in them.
For console though something new is coming out every two-three weeks. When I went to buy RE5 I had to wait in a 40 minute line at 12am for the midnight release, tons of people were there to mingle with, it was fun. Same thing for Killzone2. The last time I went to something like this was for WOTLK for pc. That's all I'm saying. Consoles have a ton of new games coming out constantly.
I'll have more faith in my pc once I find another MMO.
And I'd like to take a moment to give the Golden Asshat award to Nicklepat for embodying the very essence of smug, narcissitic fucktardery that inspired me to re-ignite this stupid fucking flame war. Bravo, Nicklepat! You truely are an inspiration to mindless fanboys everywhere.
BTW, did you know that you can play Crysis with an XBox 360 controller? Shit one not. The game has built in support for the 360 controller so I don't have to use a profiler. Isn't that an interesting design decision?
And just how does Crysis differ from Far Cry? Aside from graphics and setting I mean. In other words, what is fundamentally different about Crysis's gameplay that sets it apart from other free roaming FPS games? Super powers? Haze, Timeshift, Project Snowblind.... Why we could go further back and call up the first Jedi Knight game. Free Roaming? Well the original Far Cry and the GTA series already went there... Hmmm.....
Sorry Nicklepat, you haven't convinced me. Then again, I still play Master of Magic, Ultima Underworld, Street Fighter 2, Soul Calibur 2 (Dreamcast), Virtual On, Mechwarrior 4, StarCraft, Counter-Strike 1.6, Quake 3 (now Live) and a host of other games that don't even remotely require the latest and greatest hardware to run.
Some of us are more interested in how a game plays than how it looks.