whats portal gotta do with anything? I never mentioned it or said it was bad. It would be if i had to pay full price for just portal.
Why cant you play on the couch? Why you need a laptop? The cable isnt like 1m long fiy and if yours is then get an extension thats what normal people do when there wire isnt long enough.
What is the point of saying in your 1st post that you have to wait for this and that to play a game on PC and mess around with the settings if u are getting 45 on medium? Proving your self wrong much?
Games not so much? Whats the difference? You get like all of console games on PC anyway + a lot more pc exlusive games which are actually pretty good + you get a much bigger choice of games on pc. And modding capabilities which greatly increase the replayability
My comment on the Barret and the youtube comment was implying at the stupidity of today's generation which you have just proven. And just to make my point on how i dont like console community.
Calculator to your microwave? WTF is the point of that or water bed in your car? You could if u really wanted to i guess but this is a completely different matter. Having a pc that can do everything not just boring old stuff like work would be more beneficial in terms of fun than a calculator on a microwave. What good does it serve?
Do you feel proud of your 54inch HD you seem to sound like those PC elitist except with a bigger screen and WOW its HDTV why not shout it out to the world. I think most people have a HDTV. How much did that cost you a few 1000$ and you say pc gaming is expensive.
Arguing with people like you is pointless since consoles are mainly aimed at the mindless twats who seem to find it hard to press next or accept on installation window in this case that would be your self.
I'm going to cut you off here. You see, you cannot say what the real bottom line is, because it's different for everyone. In reality, the reasons for someone choosing PC's over Consoles or vice versa are very complex. The choice almost never revolves around one single issue like control configurations or ease of use.
whats portal gotta do with anything? I never mentioned it or said it was bad. It would be if i had to pay full price for just portal. You threw out three hour game length as an arbitrary measure of game value. The first game that fell within that time frame that came to mind was Portal. A game can be both short and sweet. Your statement implied that a short game is automatically bad so I took the opportunity to point out a specific situation where you were wrong. Why cant you play on the couch? Why you need a laptop? The cable isnt like 1m long fiy and if yours is then get an extension thats what normal people do when there wire isnt long enough. Uh huh... and where to you put the mouse? I can put the keyboard on my lap, but placing the mouse so that it's comfortable.... that's a tough one. Unless you use a trackball, but those are getting harder to find. My mom went to Staples recently to get a replacement for the trackball she'd been using since 1998 and the people working there didn't even know what a trackball was. They still sell them, they just don't sell them in stores aparently.... What is the point of saying in your 1st post that you have to wait for this and that to play a game on PC and mess around with the settings if u are getting 45 on medium? Proving your self wrong much? This is the part where a sense of humor would have come in very handy for you. The original post was meant to be exaggerated for comedic effect. Depressingly, very few people actually got it so don't feel bad. Games not so much? Whats the difference? You get like all of console games on PC anyway + a lot more pc exlusive games which are actually pretty good + you get a much bigger choice of games on pc. And modding capabilities which greatly increase the replayability More exclusive PC games? Are you on drugs? Maybe in 1996, but that's changed. My comment on the Barret and the youtube comment was implying at the stupidity of today's generation which you have just proven. And just to make my point on how i dont like console community. This from the individual that put a question mark at the end of an opening statement.... Calculator to your microwave? WTF is the point of that or water bed in your car? You could if u really wanted to i guess but this is a completely different matter. Having a pc that can do everything not just boring old stuff like work would be more beneficial in terms of fun than a calculator on a microwave. What good does it serve? Good Gods you're thick. The point I was trying to make is that using a PC for gaming is like making all of those additions that I listed. Like putting a pig in a prom dress, you might have a laugh doing it, but it isn't exactly what the pig or the prom dress were made for. Do you feel proud of your 54inch HD you seem to sound like those PC elitist except with a bigger screen and WOW its HDTV why not shout it out to the world. I think most people have a HDTV. How much did that cost you a few 1000$ and you say pc gaming is expensive. Again, you need to acquire a sense of humor. Your argument was that it was only a couple hundred bucks more to get your PC up to speed for gaming, but it also only costs a couple of hundred bucks more to get your home theater up to speed for gaming as well. Get it? BTW, I don't own an HDTV. I was making fun of you. The fact that you perceived this as an ego thing speaks mountains about your character. Arguing with people like you is pointless since consoles are mainly aimed at the mindless twats who seem to find it hard to press next or accept on installation window in this case that would be your self. Yes, that definitely takes more concentration than.... say... understanding sarcasm and irony? Maybe....
Others include Flight sims, RTS, mouse driven FPS to mention but a few?
AoC was said to be designed for the XBox and had instancing and small zones, so even if an MMO can run on an console there will be severe consequences. Maybe in the future when consoles get more powerful but not now.
How many MMOs are there on consoles? Others include Flight sims, RTS, mouse driven FPS to mention but a few? AoC was said to be designed for the XBox and had instancing and small zones, so even if an MMO can run on an console there will be severe consequences. Maybe in the future when consoles get more powerful but not now.
Considering that this generation just came out (in terms of development time frame for software for them). Not many, but anyone paying attention, knows this is about to change.
This gen of consoles, more than any other, has been oriented to online gaming, mmos are online gaming.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How many MMOs are there on consoles? Others include Flight sims, RTS, mouse driven FPS to mention but a few? AoC was said to be designed for the XBox and had instancing and small zones, so even if an MMO can run on an console there will be severe consequences. Maybe in the future when consoles get more powerful but not now.
Considering that this generation just came out (in terms of development time frame for software for them). Not many, but anyone paying attention, knows this is about to change.
This gen of consoles, more than any other, has been oriented to online gaming, mmos are online gaming.
Yes indeed, a lot of devs are already moving to the consoles as it is, there is only one driving sim dev left for the PC and that is Sim Bin(Race series).
All the more reason why we should support the ones we have and are making an effort to produce MMOs instead of all the hate we have for them!
We need to realise that producing a quality MMO with full content and bug free is not an easy task, that is just a fact of life and is something we need to accept.
How many MMOs are there on consoles? Others include Flight sims, RTS, mouse driven FPS to mention but a few? AoC was said to be designed for the XBox and had instancing and small zones, so even if an MMO can run on an console there will be severe consequences. Maybe in the future when consoles get more powerful but not now.
Just because something hasn't been done (well) does not mean that it can't, or won't, be done.
What's interesting is that, aside from FPS games, all the genres you pointed out are niche markets. In fact, flight sims are all but non-existent anymore, the only AAA flight sim still being made is Microsoft Flight Simulato X. Everything else in the genre is either open source or developed by small development houses that only the truly obsessed would even bother trying to find. Maybe if the flight sim community hadn't been so fucking elitist an nitpicky there would still be AAA flight sims, but alas....
Course, there have been sims made for consoles. Steel Battalion, Ace Combat 5 had a really expensive flight stick that cam with it, Gran Tursimo and Forza Motorsport series both have insane sim communities behind them. Of course, "hardcore" sim jockeys won't settle for any thing less than realism to the 0,00000000000000nth scale. maybe this is why there aren't very many sims made for any platform...
And then there's RTS. Nevermind the current turn-based strategy renaissance that's happening on portable systems. C&C3 worked pretty well on the 360 controller. I dare you to find some specific element of C&C3 that "dumbs down" the experience from previous C&C games. I'm not going to claim that game controller is on par for RTS games, but it is getting there.
As for FPS games:
I keep saying this and I'm getting tired of saying it. It isn't the controller, it's the player. Go on youtube and check out some of the videos of people playing PC shooters online with controllers if you don't believe me. I personally play UT3 with a 360 controller and autoaim turned off. It is not the controller's fault that you suck while using it. Thank you.
And finally.... FFXI was also made for consoles. It was made for the PS2 and it has none of the issues that you pointed out from AoC. MMORPGs on consoles is not a matter of technology, especially in a world where we can run games straightfromourwebbrowsers. The problem is the developers underestimating both the power of consoles and the intelligence of their audience.
I agree that consoles are much easier to deal with then with PCs.
I use a mouse to play FPSs and would not even attempt to use a controller, but as you say that is meand my failing, as my brother swears that a controller is just as good as a mouse and keyboard if not better.
Having said that the hardcore FPS users will die before using a controller, in fact they use £60 mice and £30 mouse mats for precision purposes.
All in all at the moment i still think that consoles are not ready to take over the PC. However with the current versions it is getting rather close, with all what the consoles offer, HDD, mice, keyboards, internet access, downloads, usb ports etc. And pre-made gaming rigs(Alienware, Dell XPSs etc) are in someway similar to a high powered console.
What we will see, possibly, in the future is a marriage of PC and console, to produce an all round gaming machine, which has the versality of a PC and the ease of use and size of a console.
How many MMOs are there on consoles? Others include Flight sims, RTS, mouse driven FPS to mention but a few? AoC was said to be designed for the XBox and had instancing and small zones, so even if an MMO can run on an console there will be severe consequences. Maybe in the future when consoles get more powerful but not now.
Just because something hasn't been done (well) does not mean that it can't, or won't, be done.
What's interesting is that, aside from FPS games, all the genres you pointed out are niche markets. In fact, flight sims are all but non-existent anymore, the only AAA flight sim still being made is Microsoft Flight Simulato X. Everything else in the genre is either open source or developed by small development houses that only the truly obsessed would even bother trying to find. Maybe if the flight sim community hadn't been so fucking elitist an nitpicky there would still be AAA flight sims, but alas....
Course, there have been sims made for consoles. Steel Battalion, Ace Combat 5 had a really expensive flight stick that cam with it, Gran Tursimo and Forza Motorsport series both have insane sim communities behind them. Of course, "hardcore" sim jockeys won't settle for any thing less than realism to the 0,00000000000000nth scale. maybe this is why there aren't very many sims made for any platform...
And then there's RTS. Nevermind the current turn-based strategy renaissance that's happening on portable systems. C&C3 worked pretty well on the 360 controller. I dare you to find some specific element of C&C3 that "dumbs down" the experience from previous C&C games. I'm not going to claim that game controller is on par for RTS games, but it is getting there.
As for FPS games:
I keep saying this and I'm getting tired of saying it. It isn't the controller, it's the player. Go on youtube and check out some of the videos of people playing PC shooters online with controllers if you don't believe me. I personally play UT3 with a 360 controller and autoaim turned off. It is not the controller's fault that you suck while using it. Thank you.
And finally.... FFXI was also made for consoles. It was made for the PS2 and it has none of the issues that you pointed out from AoC. MMORPGs on consoles is not a matter of technology, especially in a world where we can run games straightfromourwebbrowsers. The problem is the developers underestimating both the power of consoles and the intelligence of their audience.
To be honest... I have to agree that you can still be very competitive using a controller vs mouse and keyboard. Back in the day when I was playing Starsiege Tribes (1998), I was a member of a pretty hardcore tribe (or guild), that would compete in ladder / tournament matches all the time. Back then I was not very familiar with playing a FPS style game using a mouse and keyboard... I instead used a pretty sweet controller called the SpaceOrb - 360. It was a 6-axis controller and very different than playing with a mouse/keyboard combo. Even though most of the players were using the mouse/keyboard combo at the time, I was able to rock that game like there was no tomorrow using the SpaceOrb. It is a shame that the company that made the SpaceOrb (SpaceTec IMC) was purchased by Labtec... then by Logitech... and the SpaceOrb controller was pretty much lost in the shuffle. The cool thing about the SpaceOrb 360 was that is was spin-off tech from the companies high-end CAD/ 3D peripherals for navigating and manipulating objects in a 3D computer environment.
The SpaceOrb was a freakshow of a game controller, but man did it work well for FPS ...I still have a few tucked away in a box somewhere... the only problem I had with the controller was the poor inner construction of the ball... They should have used metal components instead of plastic... especially when designed for the frantic play of FPS. …CrAcK!... game over.
To be a viable alternative consoles need 3 things: 1. Keyboard 2. Mouse 3. Upgradeable Components
PS3 has all this.
As stated many times in the thread.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
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whats portal gotta do with anything? I never mentioned it or said it was bad. It would be if i had to pay full price for just portal.
Why cant you play on the couch? Why you need a laptop? The cable isnt like 1m long fiy and if yours is then get an extension thats what normal people do when there wire isnt long enough.
What is the point of saying in your 1st post that you have to wait for this and that to play a game on PC and mess around with the settings if u are getting 45 on medium? Proving your self wrong much?
Games not so much? Whats the difference? You get like all of console games on PC anyway + a lot more pc exlusive games which are actually pretty good + you get a much bigger choice of games on pc. And modding capabilities which greatly increase the replayability
My comment on the Barret and the youtube comment was implying at the stupidity of today's generation which you have just proven. And just to make my point on how i dont like console community.
Calculator to your microwave? WTF is the point of that or water bed in your car? You could if u really wanted to i guess but this is a completely different matter. Having a pc that can do everything not just boring old stuff like work would be more beneficial in terms of fun than a calculator on a microwave. What good does it serve?
Do you feel proud of your 54inch HD you seem to sound like those PC elitist except with a bigger screen and WOW its HDTV why not shout it out to the world. I think most people have a HDTV. How much did that cost you a few 1000$ and you say pc gaming is expensive.
Arguing with people like you is pointless since consoles are mainly aimed at the mindless twats who seem to find it hard to press next or accept on installation window in this case that would be your self.
"The real bottom line-"
I'm going to cut you off here. You see, you cannot say what the real bottom line is, because it's different for everyone. In reality, the reasons for someone choosing PC's over Consoles or vice versa are very complex. The choice almost never revolves around one single issue like control configurations or ease of use.
How many MMOs are there on consoles?
Others include Flight sims, RTS, mouse driven FPS to mention but a few?
AoC was said to be designed for the XBox and had instancing and small zones, so even if an MMO can run on an console there will be severe consequences. Maybe in the future when consoles get more powerful but not now.
Consoles are rubish.
PERIOD.
And I don't want to read more about the topic. If you like consoles, go to a consoles forum ...and post there using your console crappy browser.
Considering that this generation just came out (in terms of development time frame for software for them). Not many, but anyone paying attention, knows this is about to change.
This gen of consoles, more than any other, has been oriented to online gaming, mmos are online gaming.
----------
"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Considering that this generation just came out (in terms of development time frame for software for them). Not many, but anyone paying attention, knows this is about to change.
This gen of consoles, more than any other, has been oriented to online gaming, mmos are online gaming.
Yes indeed, a lot of devs are already moving to the consoles as it is, there is only one driving sim dev left for the PC and that is Sim Bin(Race series).
All the more reason why we should support the ones we have and are making an effort to produce MMOs instead of all the hate we have for them!
We need to realise that producing a quality MMO with full content and bug free is not an easy task, that is just a fact of life and is something we need to accept.
Just because something hasn't been done (well) does not mean that it can't, or won't, be done.
What's interesting is that, aside from FPS games, all the genres you pointed out are niche markets. In fact, flight sims are all but non-existent anymore, the only AAA flight sim still being made is Microsoft Flight Simulato X. Everything else in the genre is either open source or developed by small development houses that only the truly obsessed would even bother trying to find. Maybe if the flight sim community hadn't been so fucking elitist an nitpicky there would still be AAA flight sims, but alas....
Course, there have been sims made for consoles. Steel Battalion, Ace Combat 5 had a really expensive flight stick that cam with it, Gran Tursimo and Forza Motorsport series both have insane sim communities behind them. Of course, "hardcore" sim jockeys won't settle for any thing less than realism to the 0,00000000000000nth scale. maybe this is why there aren't very many sims made for any platform...
And then there's RTS. Nevermind the current turn-based strategy renaissance that's happening on portable systems. C&C3 worked pretty well on the 360 controller. I dare you to find some specific element of C&C3 that "dumbs down" the experience from previous C&C games. I'm not going to claim that game controller is on par for RTS games, but it is getting there.
As for FPS games:
I keep saying this and I'm getting tired of saying it. It isn't the controller, it's the player. Go on youtube and check out some of the videos of people playing PC shooters online with controllers if you don't believe me. I personally play UT3 with a 360 controller and autoaim turned off. It is not the controller's fault that you suck while using it. Thank you.
And finally.... FFXI was also made for consoles. It was made for the PS2 and it has none of the issues that you pointed out from AoC. MMORPGs on consoles is not a matter of technology, especially in a world where we can run games straight from our web browsers. The problem is the developers underestimating both the power of consoles and the intelligence of their audience.
To be a viable alternative consoles need 3 things:
1. Keyboard
2. Mouse
3. Upgradeable Components
I agree that consoles are much easier to deal with then with PCs.
I use a mouse to play FPSs and would not even attempt to use a controller, but as you say that is meand my failing, as my brother swears that a controller is just as good as a mouse and keyboard if not better.
Having said that the hardcore FPS users will die before using a controller, in fact they use £60 mice and £30 mouse mats for precision purposes.
All in all at the moment i still think that consoles are not ready to take over the PC. However with the current versions it is getting rather close, with all what the consoles offer, HDD, mice, keyboards, internet access, downloads, usb ports etc. And pre-made gaming rigs(Alienware, Dell XPSs etc) are in someway similar to a high powered console.
What we will see, possibly, in the future is a marriage of PC and console, to produce an all round gaming machine, which has the versality of a PC and the ease of use and size of a console.
Look here for Cloud gaming
http://www.techdigest.tv/2009/03/onlive_-_top_en.html
Just because something hasn't been done (well) does not mean that it can't, or won't, be done.
What's interesting is that, aside from FPS games, all the genres you pointed out are niche markets. In fact, flight sims are all but non-existent anymore, the only AAA flight sim still being made is Microsoft Flight Simulato X. Everything else in the genre is either open source or developed by small development houses that only the truly obsessed would even bother trying to find. Maybe if the flight sim community hadn't been so fucking elitist an nitpicky there would still be AAA flight sims, but alas....
Course, there have been sims made for consoles. Steel Battalion, Ace Combat 5 had a really expensive flight stick that cam with it, Gran Tursimo and Forza Motorsport series both have insane sim communities behind them. Of course, "hardcore" sim jockeys won't settle for any thing less than realism to the 0,00000000000000nth scale. maybe this is why there aren't very many sims made for any platform...
And then there's RTS. Nevermind the current turn-based strategy renaissance that's happening on portable systems. C&C3 worked pretty well on the 360 controller. I dare you to find some specific element of C&C3 that "dumbs down" the experience from previous C&C games. I'm not going to claim that game controller is on par for RTS games, but it is getting there.
As for FPS games:
I keep saying this and I'm getting tired of saying it. It isn't the controller, it's the player. Go on youtube and check out some of the videos of people playing PC shooters online with controllers if you don't believe me. I personally play UT3 with a 360 controller and autoaim turned off. It is not the controller's fault that you suck while using it. Thank you.
And finally.... FFXI was also made for consoles. It was made for the PS2 and it has none of the issues that you pointed out from AoC. MMORPGs on consoles is not a matter of technology, especially in a world where we can run games straight from our web browsers. The problem is the developers underestimating both the power of consoles and the intelligence of their audience.
To be honest... I have to agree that you can still be very competitive using a controller vs mouse and keyboard. Back in the day when I was playing Starsiege Tribes (1998), I was a member of a pretty hardcore tribe (or guild), that would compete in ladder / tournament matches all the time. Back then I was not very familiar with playing a FPS style game using a mouse and keyboard... I instead used a pretty sweet controller called the SpaceOrb - 360. It was a 6-axis controller and very different than playing with a mouse/keyboard combo. Even though most of the players were using the mouse/keyboard combo at the time, I was able to rock that game like there was no tomorrow using the SpaceOrb. It is a shame that the company that made the SpaceOrb (SpaceTec IMC) was purchased by Labtec... then by Logitech... and the SpaceOrb controller was pretty much lost in the shuffle. The cool thing about the SpaceOrb 360 was that is was spin-off tech from the companies high-end CAD/ 3D peripherals for navigating and manipulating objects in a 3D computer environment.
The SpaceOrb was a freakshow of a game controller, but man did it work well for FPS ...I still have a few tucked away in a box somewhere... the only problem I had with the controller was the poor inner construction of the ball... They should have used metal components instead of plastic... especially when designed for the frantic play of FPS. …CrAcK!... game over.
PS3 has all this.
As stated many times in the thread.
----------
"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me