So how are the 2+ hour queues treating all you fanboi's?
4 hour last night, as a matter of fact.
Why you asking?
I guess because it boggles the mind of most of us how people can keep playing and praising a game you have to wait 4 hours in a queue before you can play.
it's because the game is *good*, duh.
of course we don't like the queues, but it will pass, unlike your so-called 'relaible games' (which i might add, didn't start off as 'relaible' either). which will remain shite.
lol you're funny. how do you explain the sold out in under an hour, ongoing massive demand to buy, queues to get into the game, 5K+ new forum signups every week since Oct 08 (over 350K now), more active people on the official DF forums than the whole of mmorpg.com, most views of all games on mmorpg.com put together the last month... ...and all produced with a fraction of the cost of a mainstream mmo. yeah this game is really doing badly... not.
You Sir make me laugh.
Sold out in under an hour? Easy. Very limited supply ... very, very limited.
Massive demand to buy? I would not say the demand is massive, in fact I would say it is quite a bit smaller than ever as people read reviews, read about the problems others are having, and don't forget those that just gave up after 5 or 6 days of F5 fights.
Queues ... yeah, that's called cramming too many people on one server they can barely keep running. Desync, lag issues, hardware failure, constant restarts and maintenance ...
Fraction of the cost? Do you have the financials? I'd be interested in seeing just how much they spent on DF.
Well, we will already see in a few days how many will renew their subscription despite the horrible queues. Maybe there won't be anyone left to fight against in two months anyway.
Seems realistic. Can't forget Tabula rasa was N°1 on MMORPG.COM at launch, now it's closed.
And so the loyal soldiers remain so, even after the battle was lost, and the "trolls" were right all along.
lol you're funny. how do you explain the sold out in under an hour, ongoing massive demand to buy, queues to get into the game, 5K+ new forum signups every week since Oct 08 (over 350K now), more active people on the official DF forums than the whole of mmorpg.com, most views of all games on mmorpg.com put together the last month...
...and all produced with a fraction of the cost of a mainstream mmo.
yeah this game is really doing badly... not.
I will bet $50 that the game is shut down within a year.
...and all produced with a fraction of the cost of a mainstream mmo.
And yet costs more than a mainstream MMO download.
As for the rest, in the last 24 hours, the servers have been down for 15 of them.
Within an hour of the server being brought back up, there were queues to get in game, lag spikes and desync issues making mob killing a futile exercise.
I sat and watched it in person, not read it on a forum, so dont even think of saying it isnt like that.
My friend, who loves the game, and is rabid a fanboy as anyone on here, has said he wont be paying next month unless things change drastically in the next week.
Darkfall is a bad game. It was a good idea, no doubt, but the resulting game is bad, and people are paying for the game, not the idea.
I will bet $50 that the game is shut down within a year.
....or in the hands of SOE or the like's.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
hahaaha hahaahahaha hahahaha..nice try..hahahaha..hahahahah...tell me when you serious..hahahahaaha.....nice joke..hahahahahahah...oh wait..you meant it not real did you..hahahaha....wait..did you ? LOL..dude ..primitive attempt on release a hate tirade...sure it could be you not like it..it is not for everyone...but making an account for posting a post that a game is not for you is sad... ....My clan forum is full positive reviews ..thats people i can trust because i know them from playing games together for years...We all have give the gameplay high ratings..and those who waiting just moaning about getting in, the gameplay is oe of the best what can be obtained as MMO today...
This is exactly what he is saying.. he wrote it's for:
1. Tasos
2,. Some other Dev.
3. Friend of a Dev or Shill.
4. Someone with ridiculuosly low standards who feels that a poorly done combat simulator equates to "amazing".
Those words dont belong in any review or arguement for a game,what the hell is for "everyone"?I mean my wife's cooking would scare alot of people but I like it,or a movie,clothing,etc,etc.
Total cop-out.
I have followed the release of Darkfall with interest(and lots of popcorn),I even see guys that swore by the game now saying they were wrong,also ppl selling there accounts after a couple of days.
I see Paragus,a guy who's posts I normally follow using the same "it is not for everyone" maybe a more honest cop-out would be "it is not for the majority of player's"
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
Darkfall is actually an enjoyable game, I don't think many people who have experienced a window of time free from lag would argue that. The problem is, of course, the publisher. Had Darkfall been released by a reputable online gaming publisher, the crippling issues many are experiencing now would be a non-factor. Truly, the idea that is Darkfall has become the standard by which I'll be choosing my next MMO; the combat is fun, the freedom from quest spamming is liberating, and the constant danger keeps you ever wary. If Aventurine manages to somehow miraculously improve the quality of their servers and customer service, the silence from the naysayers should prove deafening.
And yes the blind haters remain so, even after the battle was lost, and the fans were right all along.
Time spent hitting F5 to buy a copy of DF: 4 days.
A copy of Darkfall: 36 Euros.
Time spent in queue to get into the game: 9+ hours.
Still being under the delusion that the fanboys were right: Priceless.
For everything else there's Mortal Online.
If you really spent 4 days hitting the F5 key then i'm not sure that i would trust your opinion on anything. It's an indie game, chill out. If anyone expected a smooth launch then they were fools. Doesn't change the fact that the game itself is loads of fun.
I'm tired of this Indy game excuse. If they charge like the big boys, then they should act like them as well.
Darkfall is actually an enjoyable game, I don't think many people who have experienced a window of time free from lag would argue that. The problem is, of course, the publisher. Had Darkfall been released by a reputable online gaming publisher, the crippling issues many are experiencing now would be a non-factor. Truly, the idea that is Darkfall has become the standard by which I'll be choosing my next MMO; the combat is fun, the freedom from quest spamming is liberating, and the constant danger keeps you ever wary. If Aventurine manages to somehow miraculously improve the quality of their servers and customer service, the silence from the naysayers should prove deafening.
I don't see their customer service getting any better...just looking at their recent history.
Just once, Just once I would like my intuition and carefully researched predictions to be completely blown out of the water by a games company I've been following, but every single time I have been right.
Hell even now I'm watching Age of Chivalry which up until a few weeks a go I was really happy with but now they've introduced a patch which makes it look like Darkfall Online 2.0 with the typical 'grab big weapon and spam left click' gameplay yeah, sure its fun for about five seconds but the variance is gone and so is the skill so all you end up is with a dull boring game where you watch each others health go down for several seconds before moving onto the next victim.
Looks like the developers are being as stubborn as Aventurine and are just going to plow the game into the grave until they can get as much money as possible but what I don't get is, no ones controlling these guys, they aren't doing it for money like Aventurine are and yet, why the hell is this happening?
Frankly it feels like whenever I try to put my trust in any games company its like trying to find a diamond in a huge pile of crap.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I have not played DF and Im still not sure if i am going to. I dont want to pay for a game that isnt stable to play yet, so we will see.. that and who knows if i will even get a chance to buy it if i decide i want to lol.
However, all of these people talking about go play a reliable game are full of shit. What reliable game do you speak of? I hope you arent referring to WoW? I bought WoW on release day and played it on release day. what a friggen crap fest, that game was a joke when it released .. and even after blizzard said 'oh fuck we did not plan for this many players' and added a shit ton of servers, there were queues for a long time. Oh and dont forget that blizzard said they'd have a long list of features on release (including hero classes) that did not show up in the 8 months i played .. and i dont know if they ever did show up cause i have not gone back. Oh and if i remember correcntly, blizzard gave us additional free days added to our inital 30 free days because of EXCESSIVE server down time. any of this sound familiar... sort of familiar to what DF is going through? Were stores near you sold out of copies of WoW for a while until they shipped more? If DF was shipping boxes to stores and nto doing downloads, the shelves would be empty for a week before a few more showed up.. so with downloading it they are limiting just like they would have with box sales.
anyone had trouble buying a nintendo wii when demand was too high? i remember stores not having a wii in stock for months..heh. or try to buy mario kart for the wii? where i live, the stores get like 4 mario karts a month in stock cause demand too high. its obsurd... thats nintendo, a HUGE company.... nvm the small time group that is running df.
So spare me the bull shit talk about DF. If you have PLAYED the game and dont like it, post a god damn review with some REAL opinions about the game itself, and stop already with all this horse shit about its a failure because quite frankly, WoW had a TERRIBLE launch and now it boasts 10 million customers. The actual REVIEWS i have read thus far on DF have been quite modest, saying that the game itself is a lot of fun and they enjoy it but there are some cons as well and they site both the pros cons in their opinion. the reviews and videos i have read/seen are intriguing to me, even with the cons people have spoke of.
7 pages of posts so far with not ONE piece of insightful information about DF to help anyone else in this community make a decision about it, except maybe the poster who said he played beta and the game is empty.
-------------------------- Just say NO to questing and crafting !
Questing: be all the errand bitch you can be! Crafting: your night job that you pay to do. Questing and crafting, keeping people paying to play massively mulitplayer games solo since Nov 2004.
I have not played DF and Im still not sure if i am going to. I dont want to pay for a game that isnt stable to play yet, so we will see.. that and who knows if i will even get a chance to buy it if i decide i want to lol. However, all of these people talking about go play a reliable game are full of shit. What reliable game do you speak of? I hope you arent referring to WoW? I bought WoW on release day and played it on release day. what a friggen crap fest, that game was a joke when it released .. and even after blizzard said 'oh fuck we did not plan for this many players' and added a shit ton of servers, there were queues for a long time. Oh and dont forget that blizzard said they'd have a long list of features on release (including hero classes) that did not show up in the 8 months i played .. and i dont know if they ever did show up cause i have not gone back. Oh and if i remember correcntly, blizzard gave us additional free days added to our inital 30 free days because of EXCESSIVE server down time. any of this sound familiar... sort of familiar to what DF is going through? Were stores near you sold out of copies of WoW for a while until they shipped more? If DF was shipping boxes to stores and nto doing downloads, the shelves would be empty for a week before a few more showed up.. so with downloading it they are limiting just like they would have with box sales. anyone had trouble buying a nintendo wii when demand was too high? i remember stores not having a wii in stock for months..heh. or try to buy mario kart for the wii? where i live, the stores get like 4 mario karts a month in stock cause demand too high. its obsurd... thats nintendo, a HUGE company.... nvm the small time group that is running df. So spare me the bull shit talk about DF. If you have PLAYED the game and dont like it, post a god damn review with some REAL opinions about the game itself, and stop already with all this horse shit about its a failure because quite frankly, WoW had a TERRIBLE launch and now it boasts 10 million customers. The actual REVIEWS i have read thus far on DF have been quite modest, saying that the game itself is a lot of fun and they enjoy it but there are some cons as well and they site both the pros cons in their opinion. the reviews and videos i have read/seen are intriguing to me, even with the cons people have spoke of. 7 pages of posts so far with not ONE piece of insightful information about DF to help anyone else in this community make a decision about it, except maybe the poster who said he played beta and the game is empty.
Sorry you are just too damned lazy to read the other hundreds of posts with all the informaion in them to make a decision.
WoW BTW was NOT a crapfest on opening day unless you were on 4 or 5 specific servers.
All your post is is a poor attempt to try to not look like a slavering obsequious sycophantic failboi by trying to couch your love for the game is obscure writing.
Nice try but I have been around the block a few times and can see thru bullcrap artists like you with out even looking up from my bag of popcorn.
hahaaha hahaahahaha hahahaha..nice try..hahahaha..hahahahah...tell me when you serious..hahahahaaha.....nice joke..hahahahahahah...oh wait..you meant it not real did you..hahahaha....wait..did you ? LOL..dude ..primitive attempt on release a hate tirade...sure it could be you not like it..it is not for everyone...but making an account for posting a post that a game is not for you is sad... ....My clan forum is full positive reviews ..thats people i can trust because i know them from playing games together for years...We all have give the gameplay high ratings..and those who waiting just moaning about getting in, the gameplay is oe of the best what can be obtained as MMO today...
Darth, you are so biased that you could put a positive spin on Tasos burning down your house. Youre rose colored glasses have become integral part of your DFO experience. Frankly I cant stand your illogical drooling over a sub par product. Get in line with the rest of the egomaniacal fruitcakes that will lie through their teeth to save face. Beyond that, your opinions have always been useless since theyre not grounded at all.
Thats what Darthraiden is doing biased opinion a blind fanboi well it seems his whole clan are just a bunch of nubs loving a alpha game..
Ive played 9 weeks beta i already came to that conclusion OP made and with all the info and the live tream ive followed and how the devs still keep up the NDA for themselfs no communication no patch notes and almost nothing chanced sinds beta its a failed launch they should have waited at least another 6 months but i even doub that was enough.
But it seem some are content with a alpha version Darkfall like darthraiden.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
7 pages of posts so far with not ONE piece of insightful information about DF to help anyone else in this community make a decision about it, except maybe the poster who said he played beta and the game is empty.
Todays game experience, copy and pasted from my earlier post in this thread.
In the last 24 hours, the servers have been down for 15 of them.
Within an hour of the server being brought back up, there were queues to get in game, lag spikes and desync issues (including the use bug)making mob killing a futile exercise.
WoW also fixed all their syncing and log in issues before the first week was even out....we are going on week four with AV...and the same problems continue to haunt the game
I have put quite a bit of time in over the past few weeks and was a strong supporter of the game, but now things are just getting far to frustrating and I have cancelled my account.
The que times are absolutely ridiculous. There is no excuse and it is the main reason why I no longer have the desire to play.
The combat is certainly a step in the right direction from the tired click and watch turn based systems of the past, but quite frankly its nowhere near enough to keep me interested. The main reason is that there are like 3 things you can do for the first few weeks - meele, archery, and mana missile unless you grind magic hardcore.
As others have mentioned, its like playing counterstrike, but only with your knife and 2 guns with much poorer movement controls. Its in some ways much worse than turn based systems because there is so little variety in what you can actually do.
The sad thing is that this could be resolved fairly easily by reducing the grind needed for magic. I really don't understand why you have to grind out a bunch of different spells that require annoying amounts of reagents just to open up the basic elemental spells. If they allowed you to access the different magic trees more quickly, I think you would see a lot more variety and therefore more interesting combat.
I guess I really enjoy not having to grind out levels because I can focus on whatever I want to do and not really fall behind. The problems is that the combat that is offered is extremely basic, and the magic/crafting systems are a hardcore grind that is actually worse than level grinding because most of the time you stare at a bar and do noting - hence the rampant macroing.
i have no intention of reading hundreds of posts on this forum, maybe read through a dozen or so to try and find some constructive feedback before i spend my money. i dont think anyone can be called lazy for not wanting to read hundreds of forum posts about anything lol, that remark was just plain stupid.
Well, maybe WoW was not a crapfest, i guess thats determined by the individual. but i can tell you that the facts remain the same regardless of opinion: WoW had server downtime that resulted in extending the 30 day period; it had not anticipated the number of players and had to quickly put many more servers online right away to meet the demand; it had server queues to login; blizzard had outlined a number of features for release that did not appear in release; demand for the game was high and stores did sell out.
so if you ignore my negative remarks previously and read what happened with WoW release and what happened with DF release, fact for fact, there are a lot of similarities. blizzard had a lot more resources to deal with the extreme demand much better than DF can or has. so id say blizzard handled things a lot better than DF has, definately. but i think that is because blizzard already had plenty of money from previous games to handle the demand they did not forsee. if DF could put 40 servers online tomorrow like blizzard basically did, we wouldnt be having this conversation. but apparently DF cant do that just yet.
do i think DF has done a good job handling launch? nope, not at all. hence why i said i dont know if i will buy this game ... if ever these server issues are resolved i will definately consider buying the game however.
im not sure what the hell the rest of your post is even trying to imply but i will say that I have no love for DF in anyway, since i have never played it. i have not followed the game very long, i have not been part of its community, i am not in any guild following/playing the game, I could really give a shit about tasos or anyone else. im a big fan of pvp though and if this game is good pvp, id like to find out more... but ive played a lot of mmo games and speaking from experience, as a rule of thumb: try before you buy. since i cant try DF, im trying to get as much info i can before i spend money. in the process of finding info on the game itself, i have to read through all the bull shit threads like this to find out anything and its getting old is all, so i posted my two cents. dont like, really i dont give a fuck. moving on now.
oh btw, those hitler darkfall videos someone mentioned were friggen hilarious... worth checking out. gl hf
-------------------------- Just say NO to questing and crafting !
Questing: be all the errand bitch you can be! Crafting: your night job that you pay to do. Questing and crafting, keeping people paying to play massively mulitplayer games solo since Nov 2004.
Anyone who tells you that this game is "amazing" is one of the following. 1. Tasos 2,. Some other Dev. 3. Friend of a Dev or Shill. 4. Someone with ridiculuosly low standards who feels that a poorly done combat simulator equates to "amazing". 5. fanboy who can't let go.. No I was not stupid enough to buy it but one of my family members was even after I told them not to waste 50 bucks on something that is barely above shareware quality. I'am not quite sure what exactly they were doing for 8 years.. or even 6 years.. whichever way you want to look at it.. but it sure as hell was not developing this game because in reality it should not have taken more than 2 years to build what amounts to nothing more than a totally empty, featureless, contentless video game. Darkfall is nothing more than a poory done combat simulator system with bad animations, outdated graphics, terrible sound/music , terrible CS, and barebones functionality at best. Couple this with a group of people who are seemingly some of the most incompetent and common sense challenged to ever launch a MMO and you have Failure within a few short months, if not weeks. People are already saying they are bored and cancelling after only 3 weeks of play which shouldn't surprise at all becaus that's the obvious thing that would happen when there's nothing else to do in a game other than to PK and "full loot". {Mod Edit}
I've had more fun playing Darkfall than any MMO since Ultima Online.
well as of today the ques are fixed there is either no que or 10-20 mins i suspect it will get better as well.
played M59,UO,lineage,EQ,Daoc,Entropia,SWG,Horizons,Lineage2.EQ2,Vangaurd,Irth online, DarkFall,Star Trek and many others that did not make the cut or i just plain forgetting about.
I guess I am posting this because I was unfortunate to get messed up in all of this, knowingly.
This is my first post as I normally don't use message boards (ie:read about or talk about games), I just play them. But after reading through this particular thread, I felt compelled to introduce myself and offer my experience and opinion.
I am currently on a 4 month inverse lay-off and have had ample time on my hands to deal with the limited ordering and the annoying server queuing to secure my copy and also increased play time.
Anyways,
Darkfall has many issues and most people (like me) are willing to dismiss them the first couple of weeks or even months, but on the other hand, Aventurine's attitude and unprofessional-ism has no excuses and cannot be defended.
Nobody (possibly newer players) remembers past MMO failures by independent developers. Nothing from Aventurine suggest they have learned from past debacles and flops and Darkfall's release is uncanny familiar to Dark & Light & Horizons, both bankrupt within months of release.
I'm sad to admit that Darkfall is an very armature production and a failed product. Even though there are many redeeming qualities within Darkfall itself, Aventurine just is not capable enough team to make a video game or even sustain one.
The whole premise of Darkfall is flawed from it's very core. Money and loot have no meaning, yet the reason for it's over-hype is full loot. I have more wealth in-game than I care to imagine and there is no point in having it. For instance, I just left a guild because the adolescent ventrillo banter was too much to handle. The talk of "pownage" and "ganking" was too laughable and disturbing to bare. Just kids bolster themselves up after a lop-sided battles.
I simply deleted my character and made a new race to see that part of the world before I let my account expire. Leaving behind 6k in gold and countless rare items. I felt no loss or attachment to items, because in all the MMO's I have ever played Darkfall was the easiest to establish personal wealth.
It really doesn't matter that Darkfall is fun, so is Minesweeper. I was looking for a very hardcore experience where being tough and vigilant and being mentally stoic (taking your lumps over and over and over) meant that you could side-line your frustration and really get into the meat of an open sandbox PvP game...
Which will never come because the very limited vision of this developer.
Coincidentally, during game play, Darkfall send out mixed signals and the Devs just can't seem to grasp their own product. They are unable to get a hold of some of the simplest ideas for correcting the dumbed down combat, etc. (ie: plate mail armor should limit your over-all speed and consume more stamina. 2-hand weapons should consume significantly more stamina than 1-hand weapons = logical)
Yet, Aventurine cannot even get a foothold on these simplistic and logical traits/skills/abilities/stats.
Honestly, Darkfall is easily the biggest soft core game to be released in my 15 years of Online gaming. It is exactly the opposite of what I was looking forward too. I am just appalled at how Fisher Price this game actually is.
Everquest (10 years ago) was absolutely way more hardcore and the loss and hardships being thwarted daily were 10x greater than set backs within Darkfall. The absolute worst that can happen to you in Darkfall is loosing all that you are wearing... how is that even remotely a hardship for your character? When armor is so abundant and easy to find, etc. Not to mention, armor really doesn't do much if anything. At least in Everquest, when you died, you could loose all your gear and a few levels if you were not on top of you game. Death is meaningless in Darkfall!
This is getting too long so I'll sum of my point.
Online games are all about bang for the buck and Darkfall doesn't add any value in the mmo space and misses on all aspects. nothing in this game is hardcore, new or revolutionary. Other games offered the same concept, but with much superior implementations.
If you are not aware of these other games, oh well.. your loss. Though, like many of my guild mates, it speaks volumes of your actual knowledge and ignorance and quite possibly the reason many find Darkfall so "exciting". Because many people are just newbs and haven't bothered to seek out games, they sit here and like to be told whats is up & coming. IE: Newbies..
This game is not worth the asking price! It doesn't matter about the que times or the inability to buy it. Server crashes, downtime... none of that matters, the GAME itself is sub-par and beyond amateur. Anyone supporting this game or defending has an ulterior motive and i would be weary of their banter.
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4 hour last night, as a matter of fact.
Why you asking?
I guess because it boggles the mind of most of us how people can keep playing and praising a game you have to wait 4 hours in a queue before you can play.
it's because the game is *good*, duh.
of course we don't like the queues, but it will pass, unlike your so-called 'relaible games' (which i might add, didn't start off as 'relaible' either). which will remain shite.
have a nice day.
You Sir make me laugh.
Sold out in under an hour? Easy. Very limited supply ... very, very limited.
Massive demand to buy? I would not say the demand is massive, in fact I would say it is quite a bit smaller than ever as people read reviews, read about the problems others are having, and don't forget those that just gave up after 5 or 6 days of F5 fights.
Queues ... yeah, that's called cramming too many people on one server they can barely keep running. Desync, lag issues, hardware failure, constant restarts and maintenance ...
Fraction of the cost? Do you have the financials? I'd be interested in seeing just how much they spent on DF.
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Seems realistic. Can't forget Tabula rasa was N°1 on MMORPG.COM at launch, now it's closed.
lol you're funny. how do you explain the sold out in under an hour, ongoing massive demand to buy, queues to get into the game, 5K+ new forum signups every week since Oct 08 (over 350K now), more active people on the official DF forums than the whole of mmorpg.com, most views of all games on mmorpg.com put together the last month...
...and all produced with a fraction of the cost of a mainstream mmo.
yeah this game is really doing badly... not.
I will bet $50 that the game is shut down within a year.
Those aren't potential customers, they're people who go to laugh at the freaks over there. Forumfall is comedy gold.
And yet costs more than a mainstream MMO download.
As for the rest, in the last 24 hours, the servers have been down for 15 of them.
Within an hour of the server being brought back up, there were queues to get in game, lag spikes and desync issues making mob killing a futile exercise.
I sat and watched it in person, not read it on a forum, so dont even think of saying it isnt like that.
My friend, who loves the game, and is rabid a fanboy as anyone on here, has said he wont be paying next month unless things change drastically in the next week.
Darkfall is a bad game. It was a good idea, no doubt, but the resulting game is bad, and people are paying for the game, not the idea.
....or in the hands of SOE or the like's.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
This is exactly what he is saying.. he wrote it's for:
1. Tasos
2,. Some other Dev.
3. Friend of a Dev or Shill.
4. Someone with ridiculuosly low standards who feels that a poorly done combat simulator equates to "amazing".
5. fanboy who can't let go..
(italics are not working.. this is quote from OP)
"Not for everyone"
Those words dont belong in any review or arguement for a game,what the hell is for "everyone"?I mean my wife's cooking would scare alot of people but I like it,or a movie,clothing,etc,etc.
Total cop-out.
I have followed the release of Darkfall with interest(and lots of popcorn),I even see guys that swore by the game now saying they were wrong,also ppl selling there accounts after a couple of days.
I see Paragus,a guy who's posts I normally follow using the same "it is not for everyone" maybe a more honest cop-out would be "it is not for the majority of player's"
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Darkfall is actually an enjoyable game, I don't think many people who have experienced a window of time free from lag would argue that. The problem is, of course, the publisher. Had Darkfall been released by a reputable online gaming publisher, the crippling issues many are experiencing now would be a non-factor. Truly, the idea that is Darkfall has become the standard by which I'll be choosing my next MMO; the combat is fun, the freedom from quest spamming is liberating, and the constant danger keeps you ever wary. If Aventurine manages to somehow miraculously improve the quality of their servers and customer service, the silence from the naysayers should prove deafening.
Doc
Time spent hitting F5 to buy a copy of DF: 4 days.
A copy of Darkfall: 36 Euros.
Time spent in queue to get into the game: 9+ hours.
Still being under the delusion that the fanboys were right: Priceless.
For everything else there's Mortal Online.
If you really spent 4 days hitting the F5 key then i'm not sure that i would trust your opinion on anything. It's an indie game, chill out. If anyone expected a smooth launch then they were fools. Doesn't change the fact that the game itself is loads of fun.
I'm tired of this Indy game excuse. If they charge like the big boys, then they should act like them as well.
I don't see their customer service getting any better...just looking at their recent history.
Just once, Just once I would like my intuition and carefully researched predictions to be completely blown out of the water by a games company I've been following, but every single time I have been right.
Hell even now I'm watching Age of Chivalry which up until a few weeks a go I was really happy with but now they've introduced a patch which makes it look like Darkfall Online 2.0 with the typical 'grab big weapon and spam left click' gameplay yeah, sure its fun for about five seconds but the variance is gone and so is the skill so all you end up is with a dull boring game where you watch each others health go down for several seconds before moving onto the next victim.
Looks like the developers are being as stubborn as Aventurine and are just going to plow the game into the grave until they can get as much money as possible but what I don't get is, no ones controlling these guys, they aren't doing it for money like Aventurine are and yet, why the hell is this happening?
Frankly it feels like whenever I try to put my trust in any games company its like trying to find a diamond in a huge pile of crap.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I have not played DF and Im still not sure if i am going to. I dont want to pay for a game that isnt stable to play yet, so we will see.. that and who knows if i will even get a chance to buy it if i decide i want to lol.
However, all of these people talking about go play a reliable game are full of shit. What reliable game do you speak of? I hope you arent referring to WoW? I bought WoW on release day and played it on release day. what a friggen crap fest, that game was a joke when it released .. and even after blizzard said 'oh fuck we did not plan for this many players' and added a shit ton of servers, there were queues for a long time. Oh and dont forget that blizzard said they'd have a long list of features on release (including hero classes) that did not show up in the 8 months i played .. and i dont know if they ever did show up cause i have not gone back. Oh and if i remember correcntly, blizzard gave us additional free days added to our inital 30 free days because of EXCESSIVE server down time. any of this sound familiar... sort of familiar to what DF is going through? Were stores near you sold out of copies of WoW for a while until they shipped more? If DF was shipping boxes to stores and nto doing downloads, the shelves would be empty for a week before a few more showed up.. so with downloading it they are limiting just like they would have with box sales.
anyone had trouble buying a nintendo wii when demand was too high? i remember stores not having a wii in stock for months..heh. or try to buy mario kart for the wii? where i live, the stores get like 4 mario karts a month in stock cause demand too high. its obsurd... thats nintendo, a HUGE company.... nvm the small time group that is running df.
So spare me the bull shit talk about DF. If you have PLAYED the game and dont like it, post a god damn review with some REAL opinions about the game itself, and stop already with all this horse shit about its a failure because quite frankly, WoW had a TERRIBLE launch and now it boasts 10 million customers. The actual REVIEWS i have read thus far on DF have been quite modest, saying that the game itself is a lot of fun and they enjoy it but there are some cons as well and they site both the pros cons in their opinion. the reviews and videos i have read/seen are intriguing to me, even with the cons people have spoke of.
7 pages of posts so far with not ONE piece of insightful information about DF to help anyone else in this community make a decision about it, except maybe the poster who said he played beta and the game is empty.
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Just say NO to questing and crafting !
Questing: be all the errand bitch you can be!
Crafting: your night job that you pay to do.
Questing and crafting, keeping people paying to play massively mulitplayer games solo since Nov 2004.
Sorry you are just too damned lazy to read the other hundreds of posts with all the informaion in them to make a decision.
WoW BTW was NOT a crapfest on opening day unless you were on 4 or 5 specific servers.
All your post is is a poor attempt to try to not look like a slavering obsequious sycophantic failboi by trying to couch your love for the game is obscure writing.
Nice try but I have been around the block a few times and can see thru bullcrap artists like you with out even looking up from my bag of popcorn.
Darth, you are so biased that you could put a positive spin on Tasos burning down your house. Youre rose colored glasses have become integral part of your DFO experience. Frankly I cant stand your illogical drooling over a sub par product. Get in line with the rest of the egomaniacal fruitcakes that will lie through their teeth to save face. Beyond that, your opinions have always been useless since theyre not grounded at all.
Thats what Darthraiden is doing biased opinion a blind fanboi well it seems his whole clan are just a bunch of nubs loving a alpha game..
Ive played 9 weeks beta i already came to that conclusion OP made and with all the info and the live tream ive followed and how the devs still keep up the NDA for themselfs no communication no patch notes and almost nothing chanced sinds beta its a failed launch they should have waited at least another 6 months but i even doub that was enough.
But it seem some are content with a alpha version Darkfall like darthraiden.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Todays game experience, copy and pasted from my earlier post in this thread.
In the last 24 hours, the servers have been down for 15 of them.
Within an hour of the server being brought back up, there were queues to get in game, lag spikes and desync issues (including the use bug)making mob killing a futile exercise.
WoW also fixed all their syncing and log in issues before the first week was even out....we are going on week four with AV...and the same problems continue to haunt the game
I have put quite a bit of time in over the past few weeks and was a strong supporter of the game, but now things are just getting far to frustrating and I have cancelled my account.
The que times are absolutely ridiculous. There is no excuse and it is the main reason why I no longer have the desire to play.
The combat is certainly a step in the right direction from the tired click and watch turn based systems of the past, but quite frankly its nowhere near enough to keep me interested. The main reason is that there are like 3 things you can do for the first few weeks - meele, archery, and mana missile unless you grind magic hardcore.
As others have mentioned, its like playing counterstrike, but only with your knife and 2 guns with much poorer movement controls. Its in some ways much worse than turn based systems because there is so little variety in what you can actually do.
The sad thing is that this could be resolved fairly easily by reducing the grind needed for magic. I really don't understand why you have to grind out a bunch of different spells that require annoying amounts of reagents just to open up the basic elemental spells. If they allowed you to access the different magic trees more quickly, I think you would see a lot more variety and therefore more interesting combat.
I guess I really enjoy not having to grind out levels because I can focus on whatever I want to do and not really fall behind. The problems is that the combat that is offered is extremely basic, and the magic/crafting systems are a hardcore grind that is actually worse than level grinding because most of the time you stare at a bar and do noting - hence the rampant macroing.
i have no intention of reading hundreds of posts on this forum, maybe read through a dozen or so to try and find some constructive feedback before i spend my money. i dont think anyone can be called lazy for not wanting to read hundreds of forum posts about anything lol, that remark was just plain stupid.
Well, maybe WoW was not a crapfest, i guess thats determined by the individual. but i can tell you that the facts remain the same regardless of opinion: WoW had server downtime that resulted in extending the 30 day period; it had not anticipated the number of players and had to quickly put many more servers online right away to meet the demand; it had server queues to login; blizzard had outlined a number of features for release that did not appear in release; demand for the game was high and stores did sell out.
so if you ignore my negative remarks previously and read what happened with WoW release and what happened with DF release, fact for fact, there are a lot of similarities. blizzard had a lot more resources to deal with the extreme demand much better than DF can or has. so id say blizzard handled things a lot better than DF has, definately. but i think that is because blizzard already had plenty of money from previous games to handle the demand they did not forsee. if DF could put 40 servers online tomorrow like blizzard basically did, we wouldnt be having this conversation. but apparently DF cant do that just yet.
do i think DF has done a good job handling launch? nope, not at all. hence why i said i dont know if i will buy this game ... if ever these server issues are resolved i will definately consider buying the game however.
im not sure what the hell the rest of your post is even trying to imply but i will say that I have no love for DF in anyway, since i have never played it. i have not followed the game very long, i have not been part of its community, i am not in any guild following/playing the game, I could really give a shit about tasos or anyone else. im a big fan of pvp though and if this game is good pvp, id like to find out more... but ive played a lot of mmo games and speaking from experience, as a rule of thumb: try before you buy. since i cant try DF, im trying to get as much info i can before i spend money. in the process of finding info on the game itself, i have to read through all the bull shit threads like this to find out anything and its getting old is all, so i posted my two cents. dont like, really i dont give a fuck. moving on now.
oh btw, those hitler darkfall videos someone mentioned were friggen hilarious... worth checking out. gl hf
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Just say NO to questing and crafting !
Questing: be all the errand bitch you can be!
Crafting: your night job that you pay to do.
Questing and crafting, keeping people paying to play massively mulitplayer games solo since Nov 2004.
They can't cancel because there is no cancel feature lol.
I've had more fun playing Darkfall than any MMO since Ultima Online.
well as of today the ques are fixed there is either no que or 10-20 mins i suspect it will get better as well.
played M59,UO,lineage,EQ,Daoc,Entropia,SWG,Horizons,Lineage2.EQ2,Vangaurd,Irth online, DarkFall,Star Trek
and many others that did not make the cut or i just plain forgetting about.
Hello
I guess I am posting this because I was unfortunate to get messed up in all of this, knowingly.
This is my first post as I normally don't use message boards (ie:read about or talk about games), I just play them. But after reading through this particular thread, I felt compelled to introduce myself and offer my experience and opinion.
I am currently on a 4 month inverse lay-off and have had ample time on my hands to deal with the limited ordering and the annoying server queuing to secure my copy and also increased play time.
Anyways,
Darkfall has many issues and most people (like me) are willing to dismiss them the first couple of weeks or even months, but on the other hand, Aventurine's attitude and unprofessional-ism has no excuses and cannot be defended.
Nobody (possibly newer players) remembers past MMO failures by independent developers. Nothing from Aventurine suggest they have learned from past debacles and flops and Darkfall's release is uncanny familiar to Dark & Light & Horizons, both bankrupt within months of release.
I'm sad to admit that Darkfall is an very armature production and a failed product. Even though there are many redeeming qualities within Darkfall itself, Aventurine just is not capable enough team to make a video game or even sustain one.
The whole premise of Darkfall is flawed from it's very core. Money and loot have no meaning, yet the reason for it's over-hype is full loot. I have more wealth in-game than I care to imagine and there is no point in having it. For instance, I just left a guild because the adolescent ventrillo banter was too much to handle. The talk of "pownage" and "ganking" was too laughable and disturbing to bare. Just kids bolster themselves up after a lop-sided battles.
I simply deleted my character and made a new race to see that part of the world before I let my account expire. Leaving behind 6k in gold and countless rare items. I felt no loss or attachment to items, because in all the MMO's I have ever played Darkfall was the easiest to establish personal wealth.
It really doesn't matter that Darkfall is fun, so is Minesweeper. I was looking for a very hardcore experience where being tough and vigilant and being mentally stoic (taking your lumps over and over and over) meant that you could side-line your frustration and really get into the meat of an open sandbox PvP game...
Which will never come because the very limited vision of this developer.
Coincidentally, during game play, Darkfall send out mixed signals and the Devs just can't seem to grasp their own product. They are unable to get a hold of some of the simplest ideas for correcting the dumbed down combat, etc. (ie: plate mail armor should limit your over-all speed and consume more stamina. 2-hand weapons should consume significantly more stamina than 1-hand weapons = logical)
Yet, Aventurine cannot even get a foothold on these simplistic and logical traits/skills/abilities/stats.
Honestly, Darkfall is easily the biggest soft core game to be released in my 15 years of Online gaming. It is exactly the opposite of what I was looking forward too. I am just appalled at how Fisher Price this game actually is.
Everquest (10 years ago) was absolutely way more hardcore and the loss and hardships being thwarted daily were 10x greater than set backs within Darkfall. The absolute worst that can happen to you in Darkfall is loosing all that you are wearing... how is that even remotely a hardship for your character? When armor is so abundant and easy to find, etc. Not to mention, armor really doesn't do much if anything. At least in Everquest, when you died, you could loose all your gear and a few levels if you were not on top of you game. Death is meaningless in Darkfall!
This is getting too long so I'll sum of my point.
Online games are all about bang for the buck and Darkfall doesn't add any value in the mmo space and misses on all aspects. nothing in this game is hardcore, new or revolutionary. Other games offered the same concept, but with much superior implementations.
If you are not aware of these other games, oh well.. your loss. Though, like many of my guild mates, it speaks volumes of your actual knowledge and ignorance and quite possibly the reason many find Darkfall so "exciting". Because many people are just newbs and haven't bothered to seek out games, they sit here and like to be told whats is up & coming. IE: Newbies..
This game is not worth the asking price! It doesn't matter about the que times or the inability to buy it. Server crashes, downtime... none of that matters, the GAME itself is sub-par and beyond amateur. Anyone supporting this game or defending has an ulterior motive and i would be weary of their banter.
I've had more fun playing Darkfall than any MMO since Ultima Online.
Because of what?