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Will Aion be the next big MMO?

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  • CarnaCarna Member Posts: 9

    aion the next big MMO? I doubt it..the combat system is weak.

  • ghochalighochali Member Posts: 4

    i also dont think that aion will be big mmo. it will have a decent number of accounts but not more

  • KhebelnKhebeln Member UncommonPosts: 794

    Well combat system is most universal + some improvements to it that probably will be copied later on. It works and its fun.

    Making combat system to weird is usualy making the game a product for very narrow customers.

    PS: I just love when ppl try to juge games before they are even out. There is 1 fact tho. Game is a big hit in China and Korea that can easily rival wow there. Will it be that good on western market ? Hard to say but its 100% sure it will do much beter than Aoc + WO put together.

    You cant realy compare XX year old game to game that was just relised. You can compare data when wow was relised to data when Aion will be. Aion got the potential. A realy big one. Will it be fully used ? We will see. WoW did not use its full potential sadly even tho it got huge commercial success. Meny ppl resent wow for wasting its potential in early days but it do not mean that wow is not a soldi game.

    But i wonder how meny ppl remeber how unfinished wow was when it was relised years and years ago ? Not meny here i bet. Bugs, lack of content, lags, grindy pvp system and more :)

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  • lornphoenixlornphoenix Member Posts: 993
    Originally posted by Khebeln


    There is 1 fact tho. Game is a big hit in China and Korea that can easily rival wow there. Will it be that good on western market ? Hard to say but its 100% sure it will do much beter than Aoc + WO put together.

    Exactly

     

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    relised = released

    Not busting your chops or anything... cause I suck at spelling too... but these were just buggy me.

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  • Nephilim26Nephilim26 Member Posts: 118

    they say that the AION really is rocking the mmo games today i want to try it but i want to learn more about it first!!!

    what would be the game most  beautiful features and events coming?

    guys did they give newbies gift?..

  • lttexxanlttexxan Member UncommonPosts: 429

    Possibly...maybe ...perhaps...unsure...unknown at this time...who can say....its up to fate...its destiny is unknown at this time.

    etc....etc....etc.

    It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.

  • VrazuleVrazule Member Posts: 1,095
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by dippyzippy


    Since when did xfire become the new MMO metric? Newsflash, not everyone who owns a PC and plays MMOs has it installed.



     

    Newsflash: Ever heard of on line sampling ?????

    An ON LINE sample of 200.000 to 250.000 PC gaming plublic that is monitored for 24/24 hours is EXTREMELY accurate in turning out data for what is being played in the western world.

    National Broadcasted TV programs are monitored by ... sampling .... of 1000 families. And the whole commercial industry is being based on these 1.000 figures samples  - as the cost of commercials are based on these figures.

    The 200.000 - 250.000 Xfire players are even a complete overkill to measure what is being played outthere.

    www.xfire.com shows that apart from one mmorpg, not ONE subscription based mmorpg can hold its position in the top 10 of PC games being played on line.

    Not one subscription based  mmorpg.com comes even near the 300-400 K subscription model in the west (as Xfire targetetted public)

    http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

    So for those still dreaming of mmorpg's of 500K or more subscriptions ----> keep on dreaming.

    Aion has NO brand recognition and has NO chain selling of its product.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1240749157/ref=sr_nr_n_4?ie=UTF8&rs=468642&bbn=11846801&rnid=11846801&rh=n%3A468642%2Cn%3A%2111846801%2Cn%3A229575

    won't change a bit when Aion is launched.

    So keep on dreaming.... those 250 (!) daily logged in posters on mmorpg.com have lost all touch with reality really.

    The only new mmorpg that could come above the 500K figure could be KOTOR (but only if it isan extrely good product) and because of its lore.

    Forget Aion. No name. No play . Period.

     

     

     

     

     



     

    There is a big difference though between Xfire and Nielson Ratings.  Nielson cuts across a wide subset of consumers with different tastes, while Xfire tends to only be installed by hardcores.  So, the numbers aren't exactly representative of the different types of players in the market.

    With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,079

    I dunno, for some reason, it just seems to me that for every month they delay launching in the US, they are hurting themselves rather than buidling up excitement.

    Maybe not, we'll see.

     

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  • lornphoenixlornphoenix Member Posts: 993
    Originally posted by Vrazule


    There is a big difference though between Xfire and Nielson Ratings.  Nielson cuts across a wide subset of consumers with different tastes, while Xfire tends to only be installed by hardcores.  So, the numbers aren't exactly representative of the different types of players in the market.


    I don't know about that "only installed by the hardcore" statement....

    I used Xfire only when I'm playing and FPS so my friends can join me or I can join them... just easier that way.

    I turn it off otherwise...

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  • InktomiInktomi Member UncommonPosts: 663
    Originally posted by Ephimero


    Chanter with Daumnir instance gear= epic
    Been seeing them rock sorcerers and assassins like a knife through butter, the attack speed bonuses are really good for chanters.
    I haven't really paid attention to gladiators gear, but I've seen a templar 3 hitting me, guess a gladiator with such gear could do the same.

    what you said Eph sounded very wow-esque is a way. I guess all mmo's are almost the same when it comes to character dev and pvp competition. I guess blizzard right now has the hot hand and the winning formula; Possibly Aion can stay at the table for longer. They need to pack a big punch or players are going to move on the the "next big thing". But isn't that normal for us to do? 

    Example: Cars, clothes or frequent hangouts. Doesn't the same old thing get played out and we desire for the new?

  • 1-8-71-8-7 Member Posts: 74

    ncsoft sucks.

  • VrazuleVrazule Member Posts: 1,095
    Originally posted by lornphoenix

    Originally posted by Vrazule


    There is a big difference though between Xfire and Nielson Ratings.  Nielson cuts across a wide subset of consumers with different tastes, while Xfire tends to only be installed by hardcores.  So, the numbers aren't exactly representative of the different types of players in the market.


    I don't know about that "only installed by the hardcore" statement....

    I used Xfire only when I'm playing and FPS so my friends can join me or I can join them... just easier that way.

    I turn it off otherwise...



     

    Hence my use of the word "tends" to impart that as a rule, hardcores are the ones who install Xfire, but there are always exceptions to the rule, but not enough to give us an accurate sample of players outside of the hardcore style.

    With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal

  • lttexxanlttexxan Member UncommonPosts: 429

    If it is indeed only the "Second Best " thing to hit the MMORPG market will it have access to couseling for it's feeling of insecurity and desire to kill whatever is "The Best Thing".

    Just thinking outside the box here people.....

    It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.

  • lornphoenixlornphoenix Member Posts: 993
    Originally posted by lttexxan


    If it is indeed only the "Second Best " thing to hit the MMORPG market will it have access to couseling for it's feeling of insecurity and desire to kill whatever is "The Best Thing".
    Just thinking outside the box here people.....

    "Best" is very subjective, and a matter of opinion... where as "big" is a matter size of it's player base... they don't correlate in any way.

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  • WickedjellyWickedjelly Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,990
    Originally posted by Kyleran


    I dunno, for some reason, it just seems to me that for every month they delay launching in the US, they are hurting themselves rather than buidling up excitement.
    Maybe not, we'll see.
     



     

    Doubt it.  For whatever reason the hype building being done by players over this game is ridiculous.  Deserved or not, this game is getting the full "hype to the moons and beyond" treatment.  The longer the wait more it seems to be building from everything I've seen.

    I have two friends that have played two mmos over the past god knows how many years.  Haven't even touched games like WoW yet can't wait for this game to come out.  I suppose that's a good thing assuming the game can actually live up to the expectations of those wanting this game to be their holy grail.

    Still, I'm waiting myself...nothing about the game really stands out to me as I said before one way or the other except for the interest it has drawn from the gaming community in general.

    1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

    2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

    3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  • KhebelnKhebeln Member UncommonPosts: 794

    Well dont know about other ppl but in my case its not hype but review of the game.

    We got up and running community of internaional players playing on chinise servers. This is not about  saying what if? We state how the game is right now. And its very good. Yes there is still room for improvement but the fact is this game have more features than meny mmo years after they got relised.

    Its rock solid product already.

    You dont need to wait years till they fix desing flaws like in AoC or Warhammer Online. Game is already finished and all they can do is add more content and features. And polish the translation ofc ;)

    I played prety much every mmo out there through out the years and i can honestly say this is most finished game after it got relised to date. I would put Lotro at second place maybe. Its stable, performance is stelar, all basic concepts are up and runing, and got plenty of content for months of gameplay. And thats still is version thats is 2 patch behind of the korean one.

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  • lttexxanlttexxan Member UncommonPosts: 429
    Originally posted by lornphoenix

    Originally posted by lttexxan


    If it is indeed only the "Second Best " thing to hit the MMORPG market will it have access to couseling for it's feeling of insecurity and desire to kill whatever is "The Best Thing".
    Just thinking outside the box here people.....

    "Best" is very subjective, and a matter of opinion... where as "big" is a matter size of it's player base... they don't correlate in any way.



     

    So when my wife tells me I'm not the biggest she ever had...but I am indeed the best...how should I feel?

    It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.

  • Deathstrike2Deathstrike2 Member UncommonPosts: 1,777
    Originally posted by lttexxan

    Originally posted by lornphoenix

    Originally posted by lttexxan


    If it is indeed only the "Second Best " thing to hit the MMORPG market will it have access to couseling for it's feeling of insecurity and desire to kill whatever is "The Best Thing".
    Just thinking outside the box here people.....

    "Best" is very subjective, and a matter of opinion... where as "big" is a matter size of it's player base... they don't correlate in any way.



     

    So when my wife tells me I'm not the biggest she ever had...but I am indeed the best...how should I feel?



     

    You should feel lucky the guy before you didn't know how to use what he had.  LMAO!

     

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by dippyzippy


    Since when did xfire become the new MMO metric? Newsflash, not everyone who owns a PC and plays MMOs has it installed.



     

    Newsflash: Ever heard of on line sampling ?????

    An ON LINE sample of 200.000 to 250.000 PC gaming plublic that is monitored for 24/24 hours is EXTREMELY accurate in turning out data for what is being played in the western world.

    National Broadcasted TV programs are monitored by ... sampling .... of 1000 families. And the whole commercial industry is being based on these 1.000 figures samples  - as the cost of commercials are based on these figures.

    The 200.000 - 250.000 Xfire players are even a complete overkill to measure what is being played outthere.

    www.xfire.com shows that apart from one mmorpg, not ONE subscription based mmorpg can hold its position in the top 10 of PC games being played on line.

    Not one subscription based  mmorpg.com comes even near the 300-400 K subscription model in the west (as Xfire targetetted public)

    http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

    So for those still dreaming of mmorpg's of 500K or more subscriptions ----> keep on dreaming.

    Aion has NO brand recognition and has NO chain selling of its product.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1240749157/ref=sr_nr_n_4?ie=UTF8&rs=468642&bbn=11846801&rnid=11846801&rh=n%3A468642%2Cn%3A%2111846801%2Cn%3A229575

    won't change a bit when Aion is launched.

    So keep on dreaming.... those 250 (!) daily logged in posters on mmorpg.com have lost all touch with reality really.

    The only new mmorpg that could come above the 500K figure could be KOTOR (but only if it isan extrely good product) and because of its lore.

    Forget Aion. No name. No play . Period.



     

    Xfire is not accurate by any means.

    Just to give you an example, According to Xfire, Call of Duty 2 is being played more than Call of Duty: World at War. This is false, as Call of Duty: World at War is being played much more often than Call of Duty 2.



    Xfire has always been very, very unreliable.

    Aion is already a huge success in asia, probably already having well over 500k subscribers. Everquest never had brand recognition either, and it did great.

  • InktomiInktomi Member UncommonPosts: 663

     Aion is already a huge success in asia, probably already having well over 500k subscribers. Everquest never had brand recognition either, and it did great.

    Yes, game you are right. But the whole arquement here is that would the formula of asian mmo's still attract more players here in north america. I know for a fact that many games from asia contain an awful lot of grinding, which turns off many americans. I don't mind doing it however alot of people say that grinding will not make the cut here. Am I right or did I miss something?

  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    X-Fire. Whats that O_o

    MMmm I don't seem to have that on my computer.  Oh well

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  • UOvetUOvet Member Posts: 514
    Originally posted by Inktomi


     Aion is already a huge success in asia, probably already having well over 500k subscribers. Everquest never had brand recognition either, and it did great.
    Yes, game you are right. But the whole arquement here is that would the formula of asian mmo's still attract more players here in north america. I know for a fact that many games from asia contain an awful lot of grinding, which turns off many americans. I don't mind doing it however alot of people say that grinding will not make the cut here. Am I right or did I miss something?



     

    No real grinding in the game from what I can see so far. I wouldn't worry about that to much.

  • VrazuleVrazule Member Posts: 1,095

    Guess it would depend on your tolerance for grinding or how you view it in the first place.  You might not think it much of a grind, but to someone else it could be utterly tedious.  I take any reviews of asian games with lots of grains of salt.  I've been burned too many times by crappy asian games to give them the benefit of the doubt.

    With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal

  • lornphoenixlornphoenix Member Posts: 993
    Originally posted by Inktomi


     Aion is already a huge success in asia, probably already having well over 500k subscribers. Everquest never had brand recognition either, and it did great.
    Yes, game you are right. But the whole arquement here is that would the formula of asian mmo's still attract more players here in north america. I know for a fact that many games from asia contain an awful lot of grinding, which turns off many americans. I don't mind doing it however alot of people say that grinding will not make the cut here. Am I right or did I miss something?

     

    That depends on what you you find a grind.

    Having to kill Mobs all day long without any real reason to level isn't something you have to do in Aion.

    You get most of you xp from Quest, kinda like WoW... which make the "grind" transparent to people, like myself.

    You also get XP from crafting and PvP.... which is another plus, toward the game.

    If you think doing quests is a grind... then you might find Aion, a grind. I don't, but some might.

    Granted my Assassin is only level 13 atm... so that could change in the later levels of the game.

     

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  • DevilXaphanDevilXaphan Member UncommonPosts: 1,144
    Originally posted by Inktomi


     Aion is already a huge success in asia, probably already having well over 500k subscribers. Everquest never had brand recognition either, and it did great.
    Yes, game you are right. But the whole arquement here is that would the formula of asian mmo's still attract more players here in north america. I know for a fact that many games from asia contain an awful lot of grinding, which turns off many americans. I don't mind doing it however alot of people say that grinding will not make the cut here. Am I right or did I miss something?

     

    I think it will since it provides either a quest based grind or straight hard grind and gives a choice of movement while providing fun items and rich lore, story missions, free flight, solo or group xp, while bringing  rich graphics and a Asian flavor. A mmo styled with Asian themes and western content quests and xp is a formula that could showcase future mmo's from other companies.

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