Yeah! I completely believe you! Because there aren't official forums..
You posted this on the Darkfall forums the first month the game is out.. So.. Umm.. the responses are probably there.
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He is posting here now because he wants to see how it has improved. How would taking responses from his post a month ago show how the game has progressed since then?
Seriously think a little and read his post before posting yourself.
Having no direct knowledge of the que times I will not comment on that...otherwise spot on. The game is a shadowbane without the shadowbane core gameplay to make it worth that much. I beta tested the game for 3 months prior to release everything you mentioned and more were commented upon with no changes to the core mistakes to make the game worthwhile.
Full loot is great, but there are muds that offer full loot that are 1000 times as complex (darkfall pvp involves, strafe and LMB, thats it).
In final, if you like cs knife fighting darkfall is for you. If you like your full loot pvp like chess that requires moves and counter moves and planning then tuff luck cause the game is not made into a mmo yet.
I wouldn't say as clueless, just fed up. This board consists of 20 people. 5 who are completely against Darkfall, call anyone who says anything positive about Darkfall a Fanboy. 5 Who are Completely for Darkfall. Call anyone who says anything negative/not positive about Darkfall, a Troll. 5 who support The trolls completely. They don't even read the OP, but only bash the fanboys or non anti-Darkfall people 5 who support the fanboys completely. I'd say they don't read the OP, but it seems the fanboys aren't creating any posts anymore. It's the same people posting the same negatives about Darkfall. It's one thing to bash a company for the way they run a game, it's another to comment on aspects of a game they do not even play. I keep saying that because I want people to get it. Things that make Darkfall suck (crashing, bugs, lag, ETC) don't affect those who don't play it, or plan on playing it. I don't post all of the negative things about WAR on the WAR forums, do I? I don't post the negative things about EVE on the EVE forums do I? I played WAR, and moved on. I tried playing EVE, but I didn't like it. Do you see the pattern? Hell, all of the games I have negative views about, I've played. How can anyone form a negative view about a game they've never played, then post it as if it were fact. And I did read the OP. He didn't bother to look up any information himself. He didn't experience any of the issues he's questioning. He didn't phrase his post (that is, until the very end) in such a way that he was wondering. I heard that when you log into WoW, your computer blows up, and a guy named Vinny comes in.. Have they fixed that yet?
What are you even talking about? You ramble on about useless crap most the time recently. Ive seen tons of new people posting on this forum even though I usually just read not post now. Same as the OP he rarely posts here yet you try and classify him as a rabid hater. He was merely asking if things have changed and he gets attacked by everyone.
You try and defend the game by bashing other games? How is that even logical? Your computer blowing up when you log into wow? Who is vinny? Seriously instead of bashing the OP maybe stick to the game instead of saying well Vanguard had this problem or WoW had this problem 4 years ago have they fixed it!? Who cares? This is a DF forum not a wow or VG forum.
Yeah.. You're legit. The OP has a 2 day post history. Newly created account.. Logic.. look it up. Someone who creates an account to bash a game. Yep.. Hater.
I haven't defended the game. Which, clearly, you do not understand. Let me point it out for you. I agreed with all of the issues he states, read my post again.
That's the point I'm making. Too many people come into this forum, the Darkfall Forum (which has the most rabid fanboys hands down) and create a thread bringing up all of the issues with Darkfall. They bring up issues from a game they don't play or plan on playing. He didn't say "When I played Darkfall a month ago, these were the problems" He says I would buy the game if these things were fixed.. as if he knows they exist because some guy said so a month ago. Which goes back to my reference of "So, I heard when you log into WoW, your computer blows up and a guy named Vinnie comes in .. (I left out the kicks you in the nuts part)" This poster is just another one of those posters. Pretty evident. He's doing a good job of trolling.
Thanks for being yet another blind shill who bashes a game they've never played. GF, next time take the helmet off. It makes you more credible.
Thats Really Funny Because I came To Mmorpg.com TO SEE HOW DARKFALL IMPROVED
Not to see the Game's DownFall
Read the Rest of my post before you BASH IT
Damn!
Yeah! I completely believe you! Because there aren't official forums..
You posted this on the Darkfall forums the first month the game is out.. So.. Umm.. the responses are probably there.
I think everyone here can agree that the OP should have clearily stated his intention when "Reposting" such delicate information. Not doing so, threw his topic far from what he intended at the making. Guess this can be a lesson to most of us, to make clearer topic so that we can actually talk about what's really important instead of exchanging useless words.
He did make it clear what his intention was in his post... Several of us here understood it perfectly fine.
It's those who either can't be bothered to read an entire post before replying, or simply see something negative about their pet game and freak out, who seem to be having trouble grasping that it was a *question* on the state of the game compared to after launch the OP posted, not a statement about it.
People need to start learning to read more carefully and/or thoroughly and stop trying to turn it around on the OP for their own failure to properly or thoroughly read. It's not the OP's fault if others can't/won't read and/or comprehend what they read. The fonts were a bit crazy, admittedly... but there was no ambiguity in what they posted.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Ok elaborating: What OP mostly describes in his post are DESIGN choices made in the game, not bugs and he is portraying them in a way that only his way is the correct way and without changes there are problems while of course all players happily playing DFO don't see it like that. Queues and stability we're the only gripes I had with the game and they're fixed.
And here, folks, we have another example of a DF community member not only doing a complete 180 within the same thread... But spinning like a top as well.
Let's analyze your previous post, Zodan, made only a handful of posts before this one...
You said:
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"OP:
Most of issues you describe are fixed.
Lot of QQ for nothing though, so I think you would be better off playing Hello Kitty Online instead."
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So... let's start with the 180-degree change in your perspective, shall we?
In the previous post, which I quoted above in yellow, you clearly describe the things the OP listed as "issues" and go on to say that they've been "fixed".
You then conclude it with another favored DF fan tactic... hurling an ad-hominem attack at the OP for absolutely no good reason. At least you chose "Hello Kitty Online" instead of "WoW", though. Way to break the mold.
Then... in this recent post, which I replied to, you suddenly decide that they are not, in fact, bugs - except for queues and stability - but "design choices", implemented deliberately.
So not only is your new stance a complete contradiction to your previous post ... it's nothing but a bunch of disingenuous spin.
Let's analyze just a couple items you feel were "design decisions", shall we?
1) "it is common to see in your combat log things like "s_Mining failed", where "s_Mining" is supposed to be a string that says 'Your mining attempt has'. Similarly, if you mouse over at another player, it will say "s_MahirimMale", for example, instead of proper text."
So... it was a design decision by AV to display placeholder labels for crafting results and other characters instead of the proper description and character name, you say? Really. Interesting.
2) "You can set antialiasing, but it will have no effect, you can modify anisotrophic filtering, again no effect, you can try and override the setting with your video card control panel, but that won't work either."
So, implementing graphics options in the game that don't do what they're supposed to was a design decision by AV, you say? I wonder, then, why they would bother adding those options? To look like all the other MMOs where those options actually work, maybe?
Those two specific things you believe were design decisions? You really going to stand behind that?
Also, some of the other things listed - limited view distance, inability to have multiple action bars and/or set them horizontally, the need to reduce NPCs so there's enough "room" for players (not listed in OP, but still relevant)... so on. Some of the things he listed have been brought up by other players in the past as well (of course, they were immediately called "trolls" and "liars" for criticizing the game... but that's par for the course).
So... all that said.. Within the course of 1 page of a thread, you have done a 180 with your stance... and decided instead to spin things that clearly *are/were* bugs as "intentionally designed".
That is not called "elaborating". That is called "changing your argument and contradicting yourself".
This is great. Some of you DF folks are really helping demonstrate the exact behavior others and myself have been pointing out about you for a while now. Thanks for cooperating!
Here's a bonus clue: The reason people like myself and others catch these inconsistencies and spin in posts like yours is because - unlike many DF fans - we actually *read* and comprehend entire posts. We don't stop reading as soon as a statement is made that we don't like and then flip out on the poster.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Originally posted by Sev00 here's The Link For the offical Forums. 1 http://forums.darkfallonline.com/ 2. All I did their was get my head chewed off their B/c Their all Fanboys (with No answers I might Add)
(Like yourSelf)
They don't respond with words, just whatever garbage floats to the top of their empty heads, its obvious you would get the same at the official forums. Proof?
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php (the guy mentions a speed hacker but his post was closed because he said something about mounted casting bug? So they don't respond to hacks, just bugs then they close without an ETA on a fix for that specific problem as well)
I don't know who to feel worse for, Zodan for speaking hastily and contradictory or WSI Mike for taking all that time to point it out. Lets stray from the idea that people can change their minds and point over a particular topic, most especially an online game notorious for its inadequate update history and slow development time, and move straight to brass tacks.
I don't think many posters understand fully what the OP was portraying with this post. Initially he knew that what he was posting would cause a stir, and he even stated it in his original post. He did not play the game nor has or had first hand knowledge of the problems the game experienced other then whats been said about this game (and so much has been said). Unfortunately unless we play the game or see issues first hand its extremely tough to distinguish the true working features to the untrue drivel some posters enjoy to write.
With that being said the OP can drastically have his post misconstrued and taken out of context not just for his inability to comment on actual happenings in-game but to the actual intentions of his post. With credible information on these forums to be the real world equivelant of finding water in the desert it only makes sense that the OPs information be taken as questionable in every sense.
I would also hope we do not see another repost of this "highly acclaimed" question later on this forums touting the same "innocent" conjecture as the OP would have us believe.
I wouldn't say as clueless, just fed up. This board consists of 20 people. 5 who are completely against Darkfall, call anyone who says anything positive about Darkfall a Fanboy. 5 Who are Completely for Darkfall. Call anyone who says anything negative/not positive about Darkfall, a Troll. 5 who support The trolls completely. They don't even read the OP, but only bash the fanboys or non anti-Darkfall people 5 who support the fanboys completely. I'd say they don't read the OP, but it seems the fanboys aren't creating any posts anymore. It's the same people posting the same negatives about Darkfall. It's one thing to bash a company for the way they run a game, it's another to comment on aspects of a game they do not even play. I keep saying that because I want people to get it. Things that make Darkfall suck (crashing, bugs, lag, ETC) don't affect those who don't play it, or plan on playing it. I don't post all of the negative things about WAR on the WAR forums, do I? I don't post the negative things about EVE on the EVE forums do I? I played WAR, and moved on. I tried playing EVE, but I didn't like it. Do you see the pattern? Hell, all of the games I have negative views about, I've played. How can anyone form a negative view about a game they've never played, then post it as if it were fact. And I did read the OP. He didn't bother to look up any information himself. He didn't experience any of the issues he's questioning. He didn't phrase his post (that is, until the very end) in such a way that he was wondering. I heard that when you log into WoW, your computer blows up, and a guy named Vinny comes in.. Have they fixed that yet?
What are you even talking about? You ramble on about useless crap most the time recently. Ive seen tons of new people posting on this forum even though I usually just read not post now. Same as the OP he rarely posts here yet you try and classify him as a rabid hater. He was merely asking if things have changed and he gets attacked by everyone.
You try and defend the game by bashing other games? How is that even logical? Your computer blowing up when you log into wow? Who is vinny? Seriously instead of bashing the OP maybe stick to the game instead of saying well Vanguard had this problem or WoW had this problem 4 years ago have they fixed it!? Who cares? This is a DF forum not a wow or VG forum.
Yeah.. You're legit. The OP has a 2 day post history. Newly created account.. Logic.. look it up. Someone who creates an account to bash a game. Yep.. Hater.
I haven't defended the game. Which, clearly, you do not understand. Let me point it out for you. I agreed with all of the issues he states, read my post again.
That's the point I'm making. Too many people come into this forum, the Darkfall Forum (which has the most rabid fanboys hands down) and create a thread bringing up all of the issues with Darkfall. They bring up issues from a game they don't play or plan on playing. He didn't say "When I played Darkfall a month ago, these were the problems" He says I would buy the game if these things were fixed.. as if he knows they exist because some guy said so a month ago. Which goes back to my reference of "So, I heard when you log into WoW, your computer blows up and a guy named Vinnie comes in .. (I left out the kicks you in the nuts part)" This poster is just another one of those posters. Pretty evident. He's doing a good job of trolling.
Thanks for being yet another blind shill who bashes a game they've never played. GF, next time take the helmet off. It makes you more credible.
Thats Really Funny Because I came To Mmorpg.com TO SEE HOW DARKFALL IMPROVED
Not to see the Game's DownFall
Read the Rest of my post before you BASH IT
Damn!
Yeah! I completely believe you! Because there aren't official forums..
You posted this on the Darkfall forums the first month the game is out.. So.. Umm.. the responses are probably there.
2. All I did their was get my head chewed off their B/c Their all Fanboys
(with No answers I might Add)
(Like yourSelf)
I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I'm a fanboy. As a matter of fact, since your brain doesn't understand the first time I wrote it I AGREE WITH YOU. Tell me to read all of your posts.. and you can't even do the same.
Another troll.. Good Job Troll. Way to prove my point.
Ok elaborating: What OP mostly describes in his post are DESIGN choices made in the game, not bugs and he is portraying them in a way that only his way is the correct way and without changes there are problems while of course all players happily playing DFO don't see it like that. Queues and stability we're the only gripes I had with the game and they're fixed.
Design choices? :
- bugs, and many/most spells, skills and stats wither don't work at all
- not implemented yet, it is common to see in your combat log things like "s_Mining failed"
- Audio is very weak, sounds are worse than games from 5-10 years ago
- Graphics settings, for the most part, don't work
- There's only one actionbar
- The world is mostly barren
- Combat is primitive and non-responsive.
- Magic is badly unfinished
- you can't just build a city wherever you want
- City building is fairly primitive
- The game has THE most grind of any other MMO in the past 5 years
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Did you read his post at all? You claim all these things listed above are design choices? Only thing you might be able to argue is the world being barren part, and still that is highly opinionated and does not align with DF's website, saying PvE will be very important also.
Ones highlighted are design choices, just to clarify :P
They may be badly implemented choices, but design choices nonetheless.
And PVE is very important, if you want to get some of the gear, which is mob drop only, and alot of great weapons are mob drop only. They are a important source of gold, for you cannot sell everything to a NPC and get alot of gold.
Ok elaborating: What OP mostly describes in his post are DESIGN choices made in the game, not bugs and he is portraying them in a way that only his way is the correct way and without changes there are problems while of course all players happily playing DFO don't see it like that. Queues and stability we're the only gripes I had with the game and they're fixed.
Design choices? :
- bugs, and many/most spells, skills and stats wither don't work at all
- not implemented yet, it is common to see in your combat log things like "s_Mining failed"
- Audio is very weak, sounds are worse than games from 5-10 years ago
- Graphics settings, for the most part, don't work
- There's only one actionbar
- The world is mostly barren
- Combat is primitive and non-responsive.
- Magic is badly unfinished
- you can't just build a city wherever you want
- City building is fairly primitive
- The game has THE most grind of any other MMO in the past 5 years
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Did you read his post at all? You claim all these things listed above are design choices? Only thing you might be able to argue is the world being barren part, and still that is highly opinionated and does not align with DF's website, saying PvE will be very important also.
Ones highlighted are design choices, just to clarify :P
s_mining failed was a design choice? Interesting.
Ah the choice to use less then mediocre audio was indeed a smart move.
They may be badly implemented choices, but design choices nonetheless.
Ah, mobs and being able to build a city anywhere, yeah those two things are not sandbox. That's why AV left them out.
And PVE is very important, if you want to get some of the gear, which is mob drop only, and alot of great weapons are mob drop only. They are a important source of gold, for you cannot sell everything to a NPC and get alot of gold.
Ok elaborating: What OP mostly describes in his post are DESIGN choices made in the game, not bugs and he is portraying them in a way that only his way is the correct way and without changes there are problems while of course all players happily playing DFO don't see it like that. Queues and stability we're the only gripes I had with the game and they're fixed.
Design choices? :
- bugs, and many/most spells, skills and stats wither don't work at all
- not implemented yet, it is common to see in your combat log things like "s_Mining failed"
- Audio is very weak, sounds are worse than games from 5-10 years ago
- Graphics settings, for the most part, don't work
- There's only one actionbar
- The world is mostly barren
- Combat is primitive and non-responsive.
- Magic is badly unfinished
- you can't just build a city wherever you want
- City building is fairly primitive
- The game has THE most grind of any other MMO in the past 5 years
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Did you read his post at all? You claim all these things listed above are design choices? Only thing you might be able to argue is the world being barren part, and still that is highly opinionated and does not align with DF's website, saying PvE will be very important also.
Ones highlighted are design choices, just to clarify :P
s_mining failed was a design choice? Interesting.
Ah the choice to use less then mediocre audio was indeed a smart move.
They may be badly implemented choices, but design choices nonetheless.
Ah, mobs and being able to build a city anywhere, yeah those two things are not sandbox. That's why AV left them out.
And PVE is very important, if you want to get some of the gear, which is mob drop only, and alot of great weapons are mob drop only. They are a important source of gold, for you cannot sell everything to a NPC and get alot of gold.
S_mining refer to "Skill_Mining", notifying you you're using a skill. Design choice or bad coding. Not sure which tbh :P
I just read the first sentence and decided not to read the rest.
I`ve never had any queue, so I label this a trollpost.
LOL, omg it's to much.
I got caught in a queue two saturdays ago. Granted it only lasted about 5 minutes, but it was there.
Oh no I'm not talking about the queue which im sure still lingers. I'm talking about red highlight. Read my posts earlier in this thread and you will see what I'm talking about.
And, yet again, Ladies and Gentlemen, within the first several responses to this thread, we see another fine example of how DF fanatics will - by their own admission - not read an entire post, but stop at the things they don't like (namely, any criticism of the game), and proceed to bash the OP. In this case (like many others) actually *reading* the entire post would have saved some of them from looking like idiots in their responses...
There's a key sentence at the end of the OP's post that puts the entire thing in context:
"I posted this on the darkfall forums the first month the game was out. It's outdated and i wanna see how the Games Improved"
In other words: He's saying that the items he listed were cited issues when the game came out out - and they were, as I remember the discussions about them (e.g. people pointing out issues they encountered while playing, fans immediately calling that person a liar who wasnt' really playing; you all know the routine). He wants to know what's been fixed/improved since then.
But, as usual, after the first item, the rabid fans were too busy falling all over themselves calling him a liar and flaming him to notice that it was an opportunity for them to respond to each point, showing that those items had been fixed.
Good job, DF fans. You've represented your community for what it is.... yet again.
I could've not said it better myself. They kill their own game, a paid beta.
To the OP, alot of the SAME problems I have expereinced and I started little over 2 weeks ago or less. I lost track of time because I've already gave up on the game and log on less and less. Its a paid beta, plain and simple. I'm not stupid enough to support a paid beta long enough to wonder "where did my money go?"
The worse part is that these same fanboys were the first reason I decided to quit. They will LIE and make idiotic replies just to try and gather more followers to join DF because there is more and more people leaving daily. I was told in order to have a great time in DF is to join a large guild, so I joined a large clan and all I saw everyday was 75% of the clan just macroing all day. It was a horrid experience. The first time they participated in a large seige the server crash, last weekend they went again and it crashed again.
From billing issues, to constant server shut downs, hackers/exploiters everywhere, to a VM leak that supposedly they fixed but everyone is still crashing because of it.
I don't get it, these SAME fanboys bashed SOE and other MMO developers for the SAME THING AV is doing, but its ok for AV to do it? No thanks. The indie excuse is played, there are MANY indie companies doing GREAT things.
A game that was in development for 8 years should not be THIS bad.
I just read the first sentence and decided not to read the rest.
I`ve never had any queue, so I label this a trollpost.
lol epic fail. they bashed 3 other fanboys for not reading the entire post and jumping to conclusions and here comes another victim. Too funny. I may no longer be playing this paid beta game, but I will continue to come here for the comedy.
I just read the first sentence and decided not to read the rest.
I`ve never had any queue, so I label this a trollpost.
lol epic fail. they bashed 3 other fanboys for not reading the entire post and jumping to conclusions and here comes another victim. Too funny. I may no longer be playing this paid beta game, but I will continue to come here for the comedy.
One lie leads to another
Meaning, if the first sentence, is complete shit, why read the rest when it will most likely follow? (Though I did read it all, and see he had legtimate complaints about the game)
Trollpost? No. Badly written list of complaints and issues? Yes.
I just read the first sentence and decided not to read the rest.
I`ve never had any queue, so I label this a trollpost.
lol epic fail. they bashed 3 other fanboys for not reading the entire post and jumping to conclusions and here comes another victim. Too funny. I may no longer be playing this paid beta game, but I will continue to come here for the comedy.
One lie leads to another
Meaning, if the first sentence, is complete shit, why read the rest when it will most likely follow? (Though I did read it all, and see he had legtimate complaints about the game)
Trollpost? No. Badly written list of complaints and issues? Yes.
You ALWAYS contradict yourself. Its not worth reading because one lie leads to another yet you admit he made valid points. Bravo.
well i just got rid of my darkfall accoutn and sent them and email saying hey i gave my account to somone and i broke you eulsa to see what they do, they said huh??? then they said they cannot tell me anything about my old account but the guy i gave it to stillplays, i dont think they care if you break the eula as long as you are not exploiting lol
I just read the first sentence and decided not to read the rest.
I`ve never had any queue, so I label this a trollpost.
lol epic fail. they bashed 3 other fanboys for not reading the entire post and jumping to conclusions and here comes another victim. Too funny. I may no longer be playing this paid beta game, but I will continue to come here for the comedy.
One lie leads to another
Meaning, if the first sentence, is complete shit, why read the rest when it will most likely follow? (Though I did read it all, and see he had legtimate complaints about the game)
Trollpost? No. Badly written list of complaints and issues? Yes.
You ALWAYS contradict yourself. Its not worth reading because one lie leads to another yet you admit he made valid points. Bravo.
I vote you for Darkfall Community Representative
I contradict myself to show diffrent points of view, because not everyone thinks the same way. Though some people, are cannot seem to grasp the concept of someone thinking differnt from them. Thanks for proving this.
I contradict myself to show diffrent points of view, because not everyone thinks the same way. Though some people, are cannot seem to grasp the concept of someone thinking differnt from them. Thanks for proving this.
So you contradicted yourself to prove that Darkfallers use the "If first line is lies no need to read further" method? How educated you must be. I can see where it is very intelligent to side with brain dead idiots. You go, kid.
well i just got rid of my darkfall accoutn and sent them and email saying hey i gave my account to somone and i broke you eulsa to see what they do, they said huh??? then they said they cannot tell me anything about my old account but the guy i gave it to stillplays, i dont think they care if you break the eula as long as you are not exploiting lol
I contradict myself to show diffrent points of view, because not everyone thinks the same way. Though some people, are cannot seem to grasp the concept of someone thinking differnt from them. Thanks for proving this.
So you contradicted yourself to prove that Darkfallers use the "If first line is lies no need to read further" method? How educated you must be. I can see where it is very intelligent to side with brain dead idiots. You go, kid.
Where did I say this? I said, they think that way because of that, not that all of them use it as an excuse. Where you get this stuff, I dont know. You're implying that aren't there.
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Yeah! I completely believe you! Because there aren't official forums..
You posted this on the Darkfall forums the first month the game is out.. So.. Umm.. the responses are probably there.
<Mod Edit>
He is posting here now because he wants to see how it has improved. How would taking responses from his post a month ago show how the game has progressed since then?
Seriously think a little and read his post before posting yourself.
Having no direct knowledge of the que times I will not comment on that...otherwise spot on. The game is a shadowbane without the shadowbane core gameplay to make it worth that much. I beta tested the game for 3 months prior to release everything you mentioned and more were commented upon with no changes to the core mistakes to make the game worthwhile.
Full loot is great, but there are muds that offer full loot that are 1000 times as complex (darkfall pvp involves, strafe and LMB, thats it).
In final, if you like cs knife fighting darkfall is for you. If you like your full loot pvp like chess that requires moves and counter moves and planning then tuff luck cause the game is not made into a mmo yet.
What are you even talking about? You ramble on about useless crap most the time recently. Ive seen tons of new people posting on this forum even though I usually just read not post now. Same as the OP he rarely posts here yet you try and classify him as a rabid hater. He was merely asking if things have changed and he gets attacked by everyone.
You try and defend the game by bashing other games? How is that even logical? Your computer blowing up when you log into wow? Who is vinny? Seriously instead of bashing the OP maybe stick to the game instead of saying well Vanguard had this problem or WoW had this problem 4 years ago have they fixed it!? Who cares? This is a DF forum not a wow or VG forum.
Yeah.. You're legit. The OP has a 2 day post history. Newly created account.. Logic.. look it up. Someone who creates an account to bash a game. Yep.. Hater.
I haven't defended the game. Which, clearly, you do not understand. Let me point it out for you. I agreed with all of the issues he states, read my post again.
That's the point I'm making. Too many people come into this forum, the Darkfall Forum (which has the most rabid fanboys hands down) and create a thread bringing up all of the issues with Darkfall. They bring up issues from a game they don't play or plan on playing. He didn't say "When I played Darkfall a month ago, these were the problems" He says I would buy the game if these things were fixed.. as if he knows they exist because some guy said so a month ago. Which goes back to my reference of "So, I heard when you log into WoW, your computer blows up and a guy named Vinnie comes in .. (I left out the kicks you in the nuts part)" This poster is just another one of those posters. Pretty evident. He's doing a good job of trolling.
Thanks for being yet another blind shill who bashes a game they've never played. GF, next time take the helmet off. It makes you more credible.
Thats Really Funny Because I came To Mmorpg.com TO SEE HOW DARKFALL IMPROVED
Not to see the Game's DownFall
Read the Rest of my post before you BASH IT
Damn!
Yeah! I completely believe you! Because there aren't official forums..
You posted this on the Darkfall forums the first month the game is out.. So.. Umm.. the responses are probably there.
here's The Link For the offical Forums. 1
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/
2. All I did their was get my head chewed off their B/c Their all Fanboys
(with No answers I might Add)
(Like yourSelf)
He did make it clear what his intention was in his post... Several of us here understood it perfectly fine.
It's those who either can't be bothered to read an entire post before replying, or simply see something negative about their pet game and freak out, who seem to be having trouble grasping that it was a *question* on the state of the game compared to after launch the OP posted, not a statement about it.
People need to start learning to read more carefully and/or thoroughly and stop trying to turn it around on the OP for their own failure to properly or thoroughly read. It's not the OP's fault if others can't/won't read and/or comprehend what they read. The fonts were a bit crazy, admittedly... but there was no ambiguity in what they posted.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
And here, folks, we have another example of a DF community member not only doing a complete 180 within the same thread... But spinning like a top as well.
Let's analyze your previous post, Zodan, made only a handful of posts before this one...
You said:
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"OP:
Most of issues you describe are fixed.
Lot of QQ for nothing though, so I think you would be better off playing Hello Kitty Online instead."
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So... let's start with the 180-degree change in your perspective, shall we?
In the previous post, which I quoted above in yellow, you clearly describe the things the OP listed as "issues" and go on to say that they've been "fixed".
You then conclude it with another favored DF fan tactic... hurling an ad-hominem attack at the OP for absolutely no good reason. At least you chose "Hello Kitty Online" instead of "WoW", though. Way to break the mold.
Then... in this recent post, which I replied to, you suddenly decide that they are not, in fact, bugs - except for queues and stability - but "design choices", implemented deliberately.
So not only is your new stance a complete contradiction to your previous post ... it's nothing but a bunch of disingenuous spin.
Let's analyze just a couple items you feel were "design decisions", shall we?
1) "it is common to see in your combat log things like "s_Mining failed", where "s_Mining" is supposed to be a string that says 'Your mining attempt has'. Similarly, if you mouse over at another player, it will say "s_MahirimMale", for example, instead of proper text."
So... it was a design decision by AV to display placeholder labels for crafting results and other characters instead of the proper description and character name, you say? Really. Interesting.
2) "You can set antialiasing, but it will have no effect, you can modify anisotrophic filtering, again no effect, you can try and override the setting with your video card control panel, but that won't work either."
So, implementing graphics options in the game that don't do what they're supposed to was a design decision by AV, you say? I wonder, then, why they would bother adding those options? To look like all the other MMOs where those options actually work, maybe?
Those two specific things you believe were design decisions? You really going to stand behind that?
Also, some of the other things listed - limited view distance, inability to have multiple action bars and/or set them horizontally, the need to reduce NPCs so there's enough "room" for players (not listed in OP, but still relevant)... so on. Some of the things he listed have been brought up by other players in the past as well (of course, they were immediately called "trolls" and "liars" for criticizing the game... but that's par for the course).
So... all that said.. Within the course of 1 page of a thread, you have done a 180 with your stance... and decided instead to spin things that clearly *are/were* bugs as "intentionally designed".
That is not called "elaborating". That is called "changing your argument and contradicting yourself".
This is great. Some of you DF folks are really helping demonstrate the exact behavior others and myself have been pointing out about you for a while now. Thanks for cooperating!
Here's a bonus clue: The reason people like myself and others catch these inconsistencies and spin in posts like yours is because - unlike many DF fans - we actually *read* and comprehend entire posts. We don't stop reading as soon as a statement is made that we don't like and then flip out on the poster.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
They don't respond with words, just whatever garbage floats to the top of their empty heads, its obvious you would get the same at the official forums. Proof?
Exploiting Posts:
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
Clueless Moderators:
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php (the guy mentions a speed hacker but his post was closed because he said something about mounted casting bug? So they don't respond to hacks, just bugs then they close without an ETA on a fix for that specific problem as well)
Never Question Darkfall:
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php (locked without a response. Aventurine has a great community no need to filter negativity)
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php (never expect updates, that's not how MMOs work)
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php (So which is it AV do you ban Characters, or accounts? No response because as you see above Never Expect Updates!)
There are no problems with Darkfall.
Hopefully some of you catch the sarcasm because I laid it on pretty thick.
I don't know who to feel worse for, Zodan for speaking hastily and contradictory or WSI Mike for taking all that time to point it out. Lets stray from the idea that people can change their minds and point over a particular topic, most especially an online game notorious for its inadequate update history and slow development time, and move straight to brass tacks.
I don't think many posters understand fully what the OP was portraying with this post. Initially he knew that what he was posting would cause a stir, and he even stated it in his original post. He did not play the game nor has or had first hand knowledge of the problems the game experienced other then whats been said about this game (and so much has been said). Unfortunately unless we play the game or see issues first hand its extremely tough to distinguish the true working features to the untrue drivel some posters enjoy to write.
With that being said the OP can drastically have his post misconstrued and taken out of context not just for his inability to comment on actual happenings in-game but to the actual intentions of his post. With credible information on these forums to be the real world equivelant of finding water in the desert it only makes sense that the OPs information be taken as questionable in every sense.
I would also hope we do not see another repost of this "highly acclaimed" question later on this forums touting the same "innocent" conjecture as the OP would have us believe.
What are you even talking about? You ramble on about useless crap most the time recently. Ive seen tons of new people posting on this forum even though I usually just read not post now. Same as the OP he rarely posts here yet you try and classify him as a rabid hater. He was merely asking if things have changed and he gets attacked by everyone.
You try and defend the game by bashing other games? How is that even logical? Your computer blowing up when you log into wow? Who is vinny? Seriously instead of bashing the OP maybe stick to the game instead of saying well Vanguard had this problem or WoW had this problem 4 years ago have they fixed it!? Who cares? This is a DF forum not a wow or VG forum.
Yeah.. You're legit. The OP has a 2 day post history. Newly created account.. Logic.. look it up. Someone who creates an account to bash a game. Yep.. Hater.
I haven't defended the game. Which, clearly, you do not understand. Let me point it out for you. I agreed with all of the issues he states, read my post again.
That's the point I'm making. Too many people come into this forum, the Darkfall Forum (which has the most rabid fanboys hands down) and create a thread bringing up all of the issues with Darkfall. They bring up issues from a game they don't play or plan on playing. He didn't say "When I played Darkfall a month ago, these were the problems" He says I would buy the game if these things were fixed.. as if he knows they exist because some guy said so a month ago. Which goes back to my reference of "So, I heard when you log into WoW, your computer blows up and a guy named Vinnie comes in .. (I left out the kicks you in the nuts part)" This poster is just another one of those posters. Pretty evident. He's doing a good job of trolling.
Thanks for being yet another blind shill who bashes a game they've never played. GF, next time take the helmet off. It makes you more credible.
Thats Really Funny Because I came To Mmorpg.com TO SEE HOW DARKFALL IMPROVED
Not to see the Game's DownFall
Read the Rest of my post before you BASH IT
Damn!
Yeah! I completely believe you! Because there aren't official forums..
You posted this on the Darkfall forums the first month the game is out.. So.. Umm.. the responses are probably there.
here's The Link For the offical Forums. 1
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/
2. All I did their was get my head chewed off their B/c Their all Fanboys
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I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I'm a fanboy. As a matter of fact, since your brain doesn't understand the first time I wrote it I AGREE WITH YOU. Tell me to read all of your posts.. and you can't even do the same.
Another troll.. Good Job Troll. Way to prove my point.
Obvious troll is Obvious.
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Design choices? :
- bugs, and many/most spells, skills and stats wither don't work at all
- not implemented yet, it is common to see in your combat log things like "s_Mining failed"
- Audio is very weak, sounds are worse than games from 5-10 years ago
- Graphics settings, for the most part, don't work
- There's only one actionbar
- The world is mostly barren
- Combat is primitive and non-responsive.
- Magic is badly unfinished
- you can't just build a city wherever you want
- City building is fairly primitive
- The game has THE most grind of any other MMO in the past 5 years
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Did you read his post at all? You claim all these things listed above are design choices? Only thing you might be able to argue is the world being barren part, and still that is highly opinionated and does not align with DF's website, saying PvE will be very important also.
Ones highlighted are design choices, just to clarify :P
They may be badly implemented choices, but design choices nonetheless.
And PVE is very important, if you want to get some of the gear, which is mob drop only, and alot of great weapons are mob drop only. They are a important source of gold, for you cannot sell everything to a NPC and get alot of gold.
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
Design choices? :
- bugs, and many/most spells, skills and stats wither don't work at all
- not implemented yet, it is common to see in your combat log things like "s_Mining failed"
- Audio is very weak, sounds are worse than games from 5-10 years ago
- Graphics settings, for the most part, don't work
- There's only one actionbar
- The world is mostly barren
- Combat is primitive and non-responsive.
- Magic is badly unfinished
- you can't just build a city wherever you want
- City building is fairly primitive
- The game has THE most grind of any other MMO in the past 5 years
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Did you read his post at all? You claim all these things listed above are design choices? Only thing you might be able to argue is the world being barren part, and still that is highly opinionated and does not align with DF's website, saying PvE will be very important also.
Ones highlighted are design choices, just to clarify :P
s_mining failed was a design choice? Interesting.
Ah the choice to use less then mediocre audio was indeed a smart move.
They may be badly implemented choices, but design choices nonetheless.
Ah, mobs and being able to build a city anywhere, yeah those two things are not sandbox. That's why AV left them out.
And PVE is very important, if you want to get some of the gear, which is mob drop only, and alot of great weapons are mob drop only. They are a important source of gold, for you cannot sell everything to a NPC and get alot of gold.
Design choices? :
- bugs, and many/most spells, skills and stats wither don't work at all
- not implemented yet, it is common to see in your combat log things like "s_Mining failed"
- Audio is very weak, sounds are worse than games from 5-10 years ago
- Graphics settings, for the most part, don't work
- There's only one actionbar
- The world is mostly barren
- Combat is primitive and non-responsive.
- Magic is badly unfinished
- you can't just build a city wherever you want
- City building is fairly primitive
- The game has THE most grind of any other MMO in the past 5 years
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Did you read his post at all? You claim all these things listed above are design choices? Only thing you might be able to argue is the world being barren part, and still that is highly opinionated and does not align with DF's website, saying PvE will be very important also.
Ones highlighted are design choices, just to clarify :P
s_mining failed was a design choice? Interesting.
Ah the choice to use less then mediocre audio was indeed a smart move.
They may be badly implemented choices, but design choices nonetheless.
Ah, mobs and being able to build a city anywhere, yeah those two things are not sandbox. That's why AV left them out.
And PVE is very important, if you want to get some of the gear, which is mob drop only, and alot of great weapons are mob drop only. They are a important source of gold, for you cannot sell everything to a NPC and get alot of gold.
S_mining refer to "Skill_Mining", notifying you you're using a skill. Design choice or bad coding. Not sure which tbh :P
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
I can only imagine s_Mining was bad coding.
I just read the first sentence and decided not to read the rest.
I`ve never had any queue, so I label this a trollpost.
LOL, omg it's to much.
LOL, omg it's to much.
I got caught in a queue two saturdays ago. Granted it only lasted about 5 minutes, but it was there.
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"Chemistry: 'We do stuff in lab that would be a felony in your garage.'"
The most awesomest after school special T-shirt:
Front: UNO Chemistry Club
Back: /\OH --> Bad Decisions
LOL, omg it's to much.
I got caught in a queue two saturdays ago. Granted it only lasted about 5 minutes, but it was there.
Oh no I'm not talking about the queue which im sure still lingers. I'm talking about red highlight. Read my posts earlier in this thread and you will see what I'm talking about.
I could've not said it better myself. They kill their own game, a paid beta.
To the OP, alot of the SAME problems I have expereinced and I started little over 2 weeks ago or less. I lost track of time because I've already gave up on the game and log on less and less. Its a paid beta, plain and simple. I'm not stupid enough to support a paid beta long enough to wonder "where did my money go?"
The worse part is that these same fanboys were the first reason I decided to quit. They will LIE and make idiotic replies just to try and gather more followers to join DF because there is more and more people leaving daily. I was told in order to have a great time in DF is to join a large guild, so I joined a large clan and all I saw everyday was 75% of the clan just macroing all day. It was a horrid experience. The first time they participated in a large seige the server crash, last weekend they went again and it crashed again.
From billing issues, to constant server shut downs, hackers/exploiters everywhere, to a VM leak that supposedly they fixed but everyone is still crashing because of it.
I don't get it, these SAME fanboys bashed SOE and other MMO developers for the SAME THING AV is doing, but its ok for AV to do it? No thanks. The indie excuse is played, there are MANY indie companies doing GREAT things.
A game that was in development for 8 years should not be THIS bad.
lol epic fail. they bashed 3 other fanboys for not reading the entire post and jumping to conclusions and here comes another victim. Too funny. I may no longer be playing this paid beta game, but I will continue to come here for the comedy.
lol epic fail. they bashed 3 other fanboys for not reading the entire post and jumping to conclusions and here comes another victim. Too funny. I may no longer be playing this paid beta game, but I will continue to come here for the comedy.
One lie leads to another
Meaning, if the first sentence, is complete shit, why read the rest when it will most likely follow? (Though I did read it all, and see he had legtimate complaints about the game)
Trollpost? No. Badly written list of complaints and issues? Yes.
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
lol epic fail. they bashed 3 other fanboys for not reading the entire post and jumping to conclusions and here comes another victim. Too funny. I may no longer be playing this paid beta game, but I will continue to come here for the comedy.
One lie leads to another
Meaning, if the first sentence, is complete shit, why read the rest when it will most likely follow? (Though I did read it all, and see he had legtimate complaints about the game)
Trollpost? No. Badly written list of complaints and issues? Yes.
You ALWAYS contradict yourself. Its not worth reading because one lie leads to another yet you admit he made valid points. Bravo.
I vote you for Darkfall Community Representative
well i just got rid of my darkfall accoutn and sent them and email saying hey i gave my account to somone and i broke you eulsa to see what they do, they said huh??? then they said they cannot tell me anything about my old account but the guy i gave it to stillplays, i dont think they care if you break the eula as long as you are not exploiting lol
lol epic fail. they bashed 3 other fanboys for not reading the entire post and jumping to conclusions and here comes another victim. Too funny. I may no longer be playing this paid beta game, but I will continue to come here for the comedy.
One lie leads to another
Meaning, if the first sentence, is complete shit, why read the rest when it will most likely follow? (Though I did read it all, and see he had legtimate complaints about the game)
Trollpost? No. Badly written list of complaints and issues? Yes.
You ALWAYS contradict yourself. Its not worth reading because one lie leads to another yet you admit he made valid points. Bravo.
I vote you for Darkfall Community Representative
I contradict myself to show diffrent points of view, because not everyone thinks the same way. Though some people, are cannot seem to grasp the concept of someone thinking differnt from them. Thanks for proving this.
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
So you contradicted yourself to prove that Darkfallers use the "If first line is lies no need to read further" method? How educated you must be. I can see where it is very intelligent to side with brain dead idiots. You go, kid.
Oh rly?
So you contradicted yourself to prove that Darkfallers use the "If first line is lies no need to read further" method? How educated you must be. I can see where it is very intelligent to side with brain dead idiots. You go, kid.
Where did I say this? I said, they think that way because of that, not that all of them use it as an excuse. Where you get this stuff, I dont know. You're implying that aren't there.
Currently restarting World of Warcraft