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Ed Zitron has been attacked by indy devs before!
Apparently Red Bedlam sent logs to pczone regarding Ed Zitron giving Roma victor a 8% after just few hours of gameplay as well (to be noted, those who read the PCZONE review say DF review was pretty much copy&paste from his roma victor review)
Then later he reviewed Dreamlords, giving it 17% causing major uproar from Dreamlords fanbase and...you guessed it! Dreamlords devs giving out logs of him barely touching the game! ...shortly after this the guy "disappeared" from PC Zones review crew.
This guy has been caught red handed while writing "reviews" out of his arse three times now...it's miracle anyone gives him any credibility anymore.
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Part of the blame lies with the gaming sites themselves.
They WILL put more time and effort in reviews of highly expected games by well established companies who also happen to advertise on their websites. The crumbs are games like DF and those get brushed in the dog food bowl where reviewers like Ed Zitron pick 'em up to digest them as they see fit.
My brand new bloggity blog.
I'm not trying to disprove you or anything, but you wouldn't happen to have links to his other two reviews, and the developers responses to them would you? I think it'd be an interesting read.
Ed Zitrons Roma victor review:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3034/romavictor08.jpg
Fan response to Zitrons Dreamlords review:
http://clicktoplay.blogspot.com/2007/04/officially-killed.html
Ed Zitrons Guitar Hero review:
http://www.snackbar-games.com/reviews/playstation_2/guitar_hero_2-396.html
Ed Zitrons myspace: Would you buy a used car from this guy?
http://www.myspace.com/edzed
Redbedlams answer has been buried in their forums since 06 im afraid...but it was very similar to Tasos's
Only reviews he's ever given GOOD ratings in are...um..all the Lord of the Rings online reviews he's done?
9/10 for LoTRO? 4srz?
Ed Zitrons Roma victor review:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3034/romavictor08.jpg
Fan response to Zitrons Dreamlords review:
http://clicktoplay.blogspot.com/2007/04/officially-killed.html
Ed Zitrons Guitar Hero review:
http://www.snackbar-games.com/reviews/playstation_2/guitar_hero_2-396.html
Ed Zitrons myspace: Would you buy a used car from this guy?
http://www.myspace.com/edzed
Redbedlams answer has been buried in their forums since 06 im afraid...but it was very similar to Tasos's
So what?
This reviewer is able to put up enough details, more than all the fanboys have written in tons of rebuttal. He has been able to paint a picture of DF many DF players agree are largely spot on.
Even kean says he is largely correct, except exaggerated.
So instead of explaining to us how DF is actually better than Zit said, you go out personal against him. Is there nothing in DF worth explaining to us? Nothing positive at all about DF? Ok I got your point.
DF is total crap. We have no way of defending this junk. Lets go personal and smear his name. Lets all log in and guild declare war on EG.
Thank you for telling me this, I am grateful.
Ed Zitrons Roma victor review:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3034/romavictor08.jpg
Fan response to Zitrons Dreamlords review:
http://clicktoplay.blogspot.com/2007/04/officially-killed.html
Ed Zitrons Guitar Hero review:
http://www.snackbar-games.com/reviews/playstation_2/guitar_hero_2-396.html
Ed Zitrons myspace: Would you buy a used car from this guy?
http://www.myspace.com/edzed
Redbedlams answer has been buried in their forums since 06 im afraid...but it was very similar to Tasos's
So what?
This reviewer is able to put up enough details, more than all the fanboys have written in tons of rebuttal. He has been able to paint a picture of DF many DF players agree are largely spot on.
Even kean says he is largely correct, except exaggerated.
So instead of explaining to us how DF is actually better than Zit said, you go out personal against him. Is there nothing in DF worth explaining to us? Nothing positive at all about DF? Ok I got your point.
DF is total crap. We have no way of defending this junk. Lets go personal and smear his name. Lets all log in and guild declare war on EG.
Thank you for telling me this, I am grateful.
DF community has already rebutted ALL his points.
1) The UI *CAN* be hidden
2)you *CAN* move while interacting with npcs
3) NPCs do MUCH more than circle around you
4)if looting takes you over 5 minutes, contact neurologist.
5)strikes in df isn't random
6) Skills doesnt affect your chance to hit, rather your damage
...did I miss anything?
Things his didn't cover: Crafting, PvP, town building, ship building, mounts, warhulks, dungeons, sieges, guild vs guild politics...
A bad game is a a bad game. If scores are all 6 and up it is for the money but if a bad game takes what it deserves is bad too.
1) Yes
2) Please show me how; only if you have pressed Autorun before, and in that case, even if you manage to hit F to interact, you'll soon be out of range.
3) Really? They certainly aren't very eager to show all their other tricks, are they...AI is as cretinous as can get in an MMO
4) Looting is ok by my standards
5) Strikes are nigh random - you can't time your attack, like in M&B
6) Yes
The guy played to the limits of his tolerance. Can't blame him, the game is totally amateur quality...
This is getting even worse. It's like every DarkFall community member has secretly gotten together to destroy one guys review. Darkfall the game may be one hell of a game. It may be the best game ever to come out since Super Mario 3 for NES. But why would you try to deface a guy by saying he gave bad reviews for Roma Victor or Dreamlords. Is this some pun I am just not getting. There is a reason LOTRO is a great game and deserves a 9/10. I don't even play it and I know its a good game. Should DFO have gotten a 2/10 by ED, it's his review, so yes. Why does this make you so angry that one persons opinion is somehow made your life this bad. So bad that you need to deface him with this nonsense. Go get a job at IGN, make a review of 9/10, and stop with this nonsense. Maybe Tasos will give you free game time too. And prove you've played 25 hours and are corect with your review. Would that satisfy you and the masses? Would it? I would love to see you guys grow some chops, drop this subject, and talk about your game. But it must be so fun, that this is all you can talk about. Good day sir, and please, keep proving my point.
WTF are you talking about, sound to me like his reviews are SPOT ON..!
I played Roma Victor and within 24 hours removed it from my hard drive... where is that game now? At least that game is a free download with no monthly fees. It's not trying to pretend to be a major MMORPG and asking $52 to download the game. Aventurine is...
And Dreamlords was an over glorified RTS game that thought they could make up for bad gameplay with awsome graphics.
Darkfall is no different. the game is clearly still in early beta, nothing of what they claimed the game was going to be like, is remotely present and short cuts and cheapness are seen all throughout Darkfall. It clearly is an amature project and no discredit to the people who worked on their tasks, but Tasos is just incompetent.
Darkfall is easily one of the worst game I have ever played. Even though the concept intrigued me, the execution and gameplay are piss-poor. Very deserving of the 2/10 score.
As a member of the Greater Troll Community, I feel proud to have Ed in the press. Keep up the good work, Ed! At last someone who presents games as they should be presented and does not lick the balls of the devs.
Gamespot would say something along the lines of "Although the game is new and has all the maturity problems every MMO has near launch, it nevertheless has a great potential to fill a hard-core niche part of the market. Just as EVE-Online did a couple of years ago." No, Gamespot and Gamespot-lookalikes, DF has no maturity problems. It just is a bad, low quality game made as a side-job by people that were experimenting - and unfortunately were not good at it. And you do not need more that 10 minutes with the game to realize this. Actually, I think that Eurogamer wasted too much time with DF. 2 hours! This is what I call patience and proffesionalism.
Keep up the good work Ed. We need to spend our money wisely!
This is disturbing info.
A reviewer that is brownnosing the established large companies and discriminate the small indy companies.
Ed Zitron and Eurogamer credibility is out of the window.
Seems you prefer reviewers that doesn't do his job in a professional way.
People playing Darkfall rate if btw 6-8 on a 10 scale.
That is fair ratings for Darkfall and making reviews based on nothing as this joke of a reviewer Ed did is hurting the gaming industry.
I've played Darkfall and 2 is a decent score for it. And many old supporters and beta testers agree with this review and the score. Perhaps drop the case?
This is disturbing info.
A reviewer that is brownnosing the established large companies and discriminate the small indy companies.
Ed Zitron and Eurogamer credibility is out of the window.
Yea... I guess I might be distrubed too, except for the fact that Roma Victor, Dreamlords, and Darkfall were/are all horrible games and deserved the ratings they got.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
The darkfall bullies come out in full force again...guess Tasos sended them over to do damage control...
Seems you prefer reviewers that doesn't do his job in a professional way.
People playing Darkfall rate if btw 6-8 on a 10 scale.
That is fair ratings for Darkfall and making reviews based on nothing as this joke of a reviewer Ed did is hurting the gaming industry.
Yeah, right. DF fanboys on a whole new level! Writing bad reviews for DF is hurting the industry. Priceless.
I think the only one who is hurting the industry is Aventurine.
I've played Darkfall and 2 is a decent score for it. And many old supporters and beta testers agree with this review and the score. Perhaps drop the case?
Latest poll on ratings by ingame players is btw 6-8.
Maybe it's time you realize you didnt like Darkfall but others do.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=185381
I've played Darkfall and 2 is a decent score for it. And many old supporters and beta testers agree with this review and the score. Perhaps drop the case?
Latest poll on ratings by ingame players is btw 6-8.
Maybe it's time you realize you didnt like Darkfall but others do.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=185381
I guess the very few that put up with it are not a representative sample. If you asked members of a Nazi party to rate Hitler, you would get a great score, wouldn't you? I prefer Ed Zitron's opinion.
Ed Zitrons Roma victor review:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3034/romavictor08.jpg
This review had nothing to do with the DFO one. It wasn't copy and past as you and some other proclaim. It was a completely seperate review of another bad game.
Fan response to Zitrons Dreamlords review:
http://clicktoplay.blogspot.com/2007/04/officially-killed.html
Fan responce? It was a blog written by Marcus Andrews, co founder of Lockpick entertainment. He didn't even mention anything about Ed not playing the game. In fact, not once in that entire rant did he EVER mention that he didn't play, he did however mention that Ed pointed out things that other reviewer, "either missed, or were kind enough not to mention."
Ed Zitrons Guitar Hero review:
http://www.snackbar-games.com/reviews/playstation_2/guitar_hero_2-396.html
WTF does guitar hero have to dow with anything you wrote.
You were asked for links to verify your OP, and you link a Guitar Hero review? You've got to be kidding.
Ed Zitrons myspace: Would you buy a used car from this guy?
http://www.myspace.com/edzed
Redbedlams answer has been buried in their forums since 06 im afraid...but it was very similar to Tasos's
Of course. Can't actually provide real evidence.
Only reviews he's ever given GOOD ratings in are...um..all the Lord of the Rings online reviews he's done?
9/10 for LoTRO? 4srz?
Some of you people are just amazing.
You can't handle a review so you have to make up as much BS as you can?
BTW, these posts are slanderious, full of lies, and I could have swore they were against MMORPG.com forum policy.
If you're going to make these pathetic attacks, at least make them true.
This isn't DFO, you don't use your imagination.
Like I said before, a bad game is still a bad game wether you've played it 2 hours or 200 hours. If a game doesn't grab me right away what makes me think its going to later on.
All you DF lovers need to get over this, maybe Ed thought all those games were so horrid that he couln't stand to play another second of those games. But no you just say he gave a bad review because of the lack ot time he played. Just face it not everyone is going to like this game, no matter how much time played.
After all its just his opinion is he not entitled to his own opinion because its negative towards Darkfall?....... I guess not.
The game is niche, so when someone who doesn't like it because it doesn't 'grab' them I find it OK to post a review like that, like this Ed one, but if you're going to do that, atleast post a review written by a player that enjoys the game, so you can get both sides. (Though Ed's review was full of BS :P)
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
WTF are you talking about, sound to me like his reviews are SPOT ON..!
I played Roma Victor and within 24 hours removed it from my hard drive... where is that game now? At least that game is a free download with no monthly fees. It's not trying to pretend to be a major MMORPG and asking $52 to download the game. Aventurine is...
And Dreamlords was an over glorified RTS game that thought they could make up for bad gameplay with awsome graphics.
Darkfall is no different. the game is clearly still in early beta, nothing of what they claimed the game was going to be like, is remotely present and short cuts and cheapness are seen all throughout Darkfall. It clearly is an amature project and no discredit to the people who worked on their tasks, but Tasos is just incompetent.
Darkfall is easily one of the worst game I have ever played. Even though the concept intrigued me, the execution and gameplay are piss-poor. Very deserving of the 2/10 score.
Exactly!
Eddy is as he is. It's his writing style. But if you actually take your time to read his reviews, interpret them, then you will see that he always been pretty much spot on.
Let's face it!
Where is Dreamlords today? Where is Roma Victor today? And where is Darkfall today?
Then take a look at Lord of the Rings Online and how it's doing today.
Enough said.
I've played Darkfall and 2 is a decent score for it. And many old supporters and beta testers agree with this review and the score. Perhaps drop the case?
Latest poll on ratings by ingame players is btw 6-8.
Maybe it's time you realize you didnt like Darkfall but others do.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=185381
Of course the people still playing the game poll it at 6+ out of 10. If they rated it lower than a 6 they wouldn't be playing it any longer, or following the community forums. I'm sure the majority of extremist religious fundamentalists rate Suicide Bombing as a 6+ out of 10 on the "Great Ways To Die" scale, but that still doesn't make it good.
Think before you post.
Why are you people still arguing? That reviewer guy has probably already lost his part time job. Making such a bad review on a game lots of people seem to enjoy was not a good idea. Regardless if you love or hate DFO, anyone with half a brain would not be caught defending that guy.We all play MMO's and we know that to see how good an MMO is , it takes playing it for more than 100 hours. Otherwise AoC would have been the MMO to end all MMO's.
So was AV really counting on his review for marketing the game? My opinion is they just cant handle criticism much like how they censor their forums. If someone doesnt like my game, I'd just shrug it off and tell him to f off, instead of creating an immature forum war with a freakin magazine. The real irony now is if the second EG review turns out negative. I doubt it will, but if it does, it'll be funny to see Tasos emoraging again.
To the people who like DF, if you like the game, then you don't need a review to support your stance, except if you're really insecure. I watched the ZP eve online review, that didn't stop me from playing, I just thought to myself "yeah theres some stuff missing here but w/e still an interesting vid", I surely did not complain about it, and CCP mitnal did not emorage on Yahtzee for not joining a player corp and not even doing FW.
The rules of Debate are really simple; once you have to stoop to insults instead of facts, logic, or reason to try and win your argument, you've lost.