This is from Tasos's responce to EG's responce. I know that it's not the what the OP posted, but I found it interesting:
"we will not go so far as to insinuate that Eurogamer's second attempt at a Darkfall review will only serve to confirm the first one. We will also not insinuate that the situation created by the first review will not affect the second reviewer."
I wonder if he's trying to insinuate anything?
"We tried to deal with this privately but Eurogamer wouldn’t hear it, so we had no recourse but to go public."
He stated in his post about the review that he waited 5 hours and then couldn't wait any longer and decided to adress the review. Now he's trying to blame EG for this being public. He's the one that's generating all of the attention. He's not that big an idiot; he knows what he's doing.
He's attempting to garner support for the game and his company.
He's trying to spin the perseption that the small indy development studio is standing up to the big European gaming site that unfairly, and unjustly rated the game. He's insinuated that the reviewer, and possibly EG are running a smear compaign against Av. He even goes so far as to call the review an assisnation piece, and "It’s obviously personal when someone will tear our game apart without actually playing it...". Not only did he claim it wa personal, he said that the review never actually played it. What's all the *evidence about if he never "actually played it"?
"I spoke with Kieron..."
Why would he contact the reviewer? That just seems odd. Not to mention, if he thinks that Kieron can do the review properly, why wouldn't he just let him do it? He had to give the accounts to EG in order for them to actually be able to do the review to begin with; how would he be able to do a review for another site? Has Kireon been given access to the game? It's been a few days now, I would imagine with all the attention there wouldn't have been much of a wait to get in and start checking things out. What actually happend in that conversation? Tasos was fine with another review yesterday: "We wrote back that it might be hard to find someone to confirm the first review, especially if they actually play the game." This doesn't sound like someone that's apposed to a second review, but actually wants it.
He spoke with kieron, and now he doesn't want a second review; even though he says he thinks kieron would be ok to do it. He changed his mind after talking to Kieron, why?
"We pleaded with him to give us some time to discuss this, but he turned us down and sited Ed Zitron’s supposed impeccable track record."
That's now two dif. accounts of what happend. In the original responce to the review he pleaded for them to not run it and to get a second review to review it first. That's not the same as a plea to discuss it. He changed his story; not by much, but it's still not the same as what he said the other day.
"but in the meanwhile we‘re taking irreparable damage and there’s simply nothing we can do about it."
The game is in a limitted release stage, the review has only been out 2 or 3 days, and in the time they haven't openned the store once. How can make such a claim when you haven't even attempted to sell the game, let alone opened to the masses. As long as it's a limitted release there is absolutely no way to tell if the review has actually had any kind of real effect on them.
Personally I think that EG should file suit against Av.
Hell, I really think that someone needs to file a class action suit against Av for falsely advertising the game.
Originally posted by mackdawg19 You may want to click the links before typing. I can help if needed, but I'd rather you use your mind. It would help in the reading department.
I did in fact click on the links. As far as I could tell you need to be able to read to use them. Am I missing a deep booming voice telling me what to do? Can't wait to see your reply - bet its hilarious.
Yeah, Tasos seem's to just go a bit overboard with this. He need's to quite and pay more attention to his game then some bad review. He must not understand there will always be bad reviews. Even the best products out there someone will end up hating and downplaying in some review.
I never played beta, picked the game up a month ago and so far it's fun. For what it's worth I found the review in question was way off base, the ui is different and takes a little time to adjust to, the skill system is ok no different really then any other grind, be it lvl 80 or skill 100. Inventory management not as user friendly as WoW but not a deal killer, the graphics are fine, not going to set a new standard but not incredibly dull either. To me the combat is where it shines it's tough, you better be able to move and target or you are toast, why so many people who have not played it keep telling everyone how it is amazes me. It's got some issues but I have played them all and I have never seen one of them come out of the gate perfect...if you read the forums of these other games you will see the same people who feel each of these games is wrong because it is not what they want.... everyone seems to think they are special enough that all games/characters should be how they think not the designers.
If you don't like it don't play it, stick to WoW, Eve, or whatever game you play. I like that it's not like WoW or the others, if I had to make one more raid for uber loot so I could raid for uber loot again I would scream..... no risk no reward. The danger, the unknown all add to the game for me.... I get killed all the time, no biggie I restock and try again. If you want to be guided and told what skills you can have and how you have to play the game then please feel free to stick to the standard fare, if you want to try something different that might be the change you are looking for give it a go but please quit reposting the same tired post of how a game you never played sucks.
For a guy behind a game that is supposed to be "hardcore", Tasos sure whines alot.
He states that he respects the guy they have picked to do the re-review and trust that he would be professional, but now they don't want a re-review? There can only be one reason for not wanting a re-review, and that is he is afraid that the second review would largely confirm the first.
Tasos is certainly aware that Darkfall in its current state is simply embarassing and should have been held back until it was ready, but he is now left in the difficult position of trying to pass off a turd as a gold nugget. The guy has no credibility has is vastly overreacting to the Eurogamer review, but I do have some sympathy of the guy because he really has no good options. The game isn't good enough and he knows it.
Originally posted by mackdawg19 You may want to click the links before typing. I can help if needed, but I'd rather you use your mind. It would help in the reading department.
I did in fact click on the links. As far as I could tell you need to be able to read to use them. Am I missing a deep booming voice telling me what to do? Can't wait to see your reply - bet its hilarious.
I stated use your mind, you know like when asking for help you ask someone correct? Those sites will send you tapes you can listen to. I'm just going to drop this because you realized you were wrong and are now just being silly. Let's get back on topic, shall we?
I got banned from their forums today for calling Tasos out. I don't know what took those brown nosing mods so long to ban me. I had been trying for weeks to get banned. That forum was the first forum ban for me ever and I have been playing mmo's and participating in forums for well over a decade.
i'm a little surprised Tasos reacted the way he did to the EG review since it was already very evident to any intelligent reader that firstly, the guy was not being anywhere near objective, and secondly, the guy has zero respect for anything that deviates from the WOW-clone developer's handbook. hell, he even called all players and potential sellers of the game "idiots" and "morons"... this review is about as "professional" as the barely legible scrawlings of half the members of this forum.
if i were tasos, i would have just called Ed a closed-minded WOW-loving emoraging carebear and gone back to this week's kickass patch. that or tasos has taken his amazing talent for meta-trolling idiots to a whole new level of genius.
Thanks javac, you are one of the kings of spin on the forums and you don't cease to disappoint here. Actually, if you read the reviews, its more like 9.3 to 2.0 in favor of WoW. Indie companies with a tiny fanbase, with a game that is only released to fans or lucky people, user scores are pointless right now. And if you also noticed, EG gave WoW the 2nd worse score on Metacritic, a 8.0. DF a 2.0. They might be harsh, but at least they are to both games as WoW is definitely far from an 8.0 according to overall reviews.
But sorry, my favorite part of your spin is to actually try to hint at Tasos being a 'genius'? Really? Honestly? You can say that without laughing, seriously? REALLY?
i'm a little surprised Tasos reacted the way he did to the EG review since it was already very evident to any intelligent reader that firstly, the guy was not being anywhere near objective, and secondly, the guy has zero respect for anything that deviates from the WOW-clone developer's handbook. hell, he even called all players and potential sellers of the game "idiots" and "morons"... this review is about as "professional" as the barely legible scrawlings of half the members of this forum.
if i were tasos, i would have just called Ed a closed-minded WOW-loving emoraging carebear and gone back to this week's kickass patch. that or tasos has taken his amazing talent for meta-trolling idiots to a whole new level of genius.
Thanks javac, you are one of the kings of spin on the forums and you don't cease to disappoint here. Actually, if you read the reviews, its more like 9.3 to 2.0 in favor of WoW. Indie companies with a tiny fanbase, with a game that is only released to fans or lucky people, user scores are pointless right now. And if you also noticed, EG gave WoW the 2nd worse score on Metacritic, a 8.0. DF a 2.0. They might be harsh, but at least they are to both games as WoW is definitely far from an 8.0 according to overall reviews.
But sorry, my favorite part of your spin is to actually try to hint at Tasos being a 'genius'? Really? Honestly? You can stay that without laughing, seriously? REALLY?
You realize you are trying to reason with a Darkfail fan, yes?
Originally posted by Fariic The game is in a limitted release stage, the review has only been out 2 or 3 days, and in the time they haven't openned the store once. How can make such a claim when you haven't even attempted to sell the game, let alone opened to the masses. As long as it's a limitted release there is absolutely no way to tell if the review has actually had any kind of real effect on them.
That's why I'm starting to believe this has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with whatever the real state of Aventurine is behind the scenes. There's simply no reason for any game developer to blow their gasket like this in public unless they're hiding something.
The way he's acting suggests he's trying to create this controversy to supply enough cover for AV if they shut down Darkfall in the near future. Tasos can then blame Ed Zitron and Eurogamer and any negative publicity from all this for their failure instead of anything to do with their limited sales, lack of distribution, etc. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
The game is in a limitted release stage, the review has only been out 2 or 3 days, and in the time they haven't openned the store once. How can make such a claim when you haven't even attempted to sell the game, let alone opened to the masses. As long as it's a limitted release there is absolutely no way to tell if the review has actually had any kind of real effect on them.
That's why I'm starting to believe this has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with whatever the real state of Aventurine is behind the scenes. There's simply no reason for any game developer to blow their gasket like this in public unless they're hiding something.
The way he's acting suggests he's trying to create this controversy to supply enough cover for AV if they shut down Darkfall in the near future. Tasos can then blame Ed Zitron and Eurogamer and any negative publicity from all this for their failure instead of anything to do with their limited sales, lack of distribution, etc. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
Its looking more and more like this is on the money to me.
tasos cannot, and will not, take any responsibility, so hes looking for a scapegoat.
The game is in a limitted release stage, the review has only been out 2 or 3 days, and in the time they haven't openned the store once. How can make such a claim when you haven't even attempted to sell the game, let alone opened to the masses. As long as it's a limitted release there is absolutely no way to tell if the review has actually had any kind of real effect on them.
That's why I'm starting to believe this has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with whatever the real state of Aventurine is behind the scenes. There's simply no reason for any game developer to blow their gasket like this in public unless they're hiding something.
The way he's acting suggests he's trying to create this controversy to supply enough cover for AV if they shut down Darkfall in the near future. Tasos can then blame Ed Zitron and Eurogamer and any negative publicity from all this for their failure instead of anything to do with their limited sales, lack of distribution, etc. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
Actually, this is one conspiracy theory that doesn't sound all that far out.
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The game is in a limitted release stage, the review has only been out 2 or 3 days, and in the time they haven't openned the store once. How can make such a claim when you haven't even attempted to sell the game, let alone opened to the masses. As long as it's a limitted release there is absolutely no way to tell if the review has actually had any kind of real effect on them.
That's why I'm starting to believe this has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with whatever the real state of Aventurine is behind the scenes. There's simply no reason for any game developer to blow their gasket like this in public unless they're hiding something.
The way he's acting suggests he's trying to create this controversy to supply enough cover for AV if they shut down Darkfall in the near future. Tasos can then blame Ed Zitron and Eurogamer and any negative publicity from all this for their failure instead of anything to do with their limited sales, lack of distribution, etc. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
The thought did cross my mind.
I really can't see this game lasting very long with the way they're doing things. At least not if thier income is dependant upon the sales of the game. It's been just over 2 months now and they still can't open the shop on a regular basis; something I find incredibly odd since they said the technology was scaleable.
If the server clusters are to expensive for them to open a new one how can they keep this game running?
It shouldn't take 2 months for them to figure out what thier load capacity is.
I also found it intersting that Tasos decides after talking to keiron to not have a second review done. I really do think that he had an opportunity to get in the game and Tasos may have been warned that it was unlikely that the second review would be any dif. then the fist; so Tasos took the opportunity to turn in down.
I can not believe that Tasos can possibly believe the crap that he spins, at least not if he's sane.
Something is def. going on.
Maybe he is staging a scapegoat, or maybe he thinks he's really that good a spin doctor and figures he can work this into his favor.
Edit: Lidane,
If they shut the game down within the next few months and blame it on EG I'll personally send you a check for 50 bucks.
Originally posted by Kyleran Actually, this is one conspiracy theory that doesn't sound all that far out. Maybe so, maybe so.
Now, I don't pretend to know AV's business behind the scenes. However, I *am* currently up to my eyeballs in business classes and I'm trying to look at all this from a management point of view.
What possible reason is there for the lead designer of a game (and, presumably, the CEO of the company) to repeatedly fly off the handle like this over a single bad and/or unfair review? Bad reviews are nothing new in the games industry. Unfair reviews can be discussed quietly behind the scenes with the game company and the website/magazine who printed that review, with a retraction and/or apology posted after the fact. There's no logical explanation why anyone would have multiple back-to-back walls of public nerd rage text over a game review unless there's something else at work here.
Plus, I'm trying to think about all the money they spent developing this game, only to have such limited sales, no physical distribution of DF, and such a tight grip over how often anyone can have access to the game. Those things don't compute. You don't spend millions of dollars making a game to only sell it at your website and only on certain dates and times. It's impossible to recoup your investment that way.
There's a lot more at work here that AV isn't saying. Such an extreme overreaction to a single review just doesn't make any sense unless they're trying to kick up enough dust so the fans will have someone else to blame when Darkfall folds.
That's why I'm starting to believe this has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with whatever the real state of Aventurine is behind the scenes. There's simply no reason for any game developer to blow their gasket like this in public unless they're hiding something. The way he's acting suggests he's trying to create this controversy to supply enough cover for AV if they shut down Darkfall in the near future. Tasos can then blame Ed Zitron and Eurogamer and any negative publicity from all this for their failure instead of anything to do with their limited sales, lack of distribution, etc. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
omg a shred of actual insight. shame you lost it in the second paragraph though... there is no chance Darkfall will be shutting down t this point. there's no sign of DF even slowing down or going anywhere but up atm.
but yes, if anything, this spat shows tasos is feeling the pressure though. having been personally involved in releasing actual commercial software i know how much pressure the first few months are until hardware & sofrtware issues resolve themselves.
That's why I'm starting to believe this has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with whatever the real state of Aventurine is behind the scenes. There's simply no reason for any game developer to blow their gasket like this in public unless they're hiding something. The way he's acting suggests he's trying to create this controversy to supply enough cover for AV if they shut down Darkfall in the near future. Tasos can then blame Ed Zitron and Eurogamer and any negative publicity from all this for their failure instead of anything to do with their limited sales, lack of distribution, etc. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
omg a shred of actual insight. shame you lost it in the second paragraph though... there is no chance Darkfall will be shutting down t this point. there's no sign of DF even slowing down or going anywhere but up atm.
but yes, if anything, this spat shows tasos is feeling the pressure though. having been personally involved in releasing actual commercial software i know how much pressure the first few months are until hardware & sofrtware issues resolve themselves.
You are a Darkfail fan.. how in the hell could you elude to the fact that you can recognize insight, and then in the same post say there is no sign of Darkfail slowing down, when the signs are all over the place?
Originally posted by javac there is no chance Darkfall will be shutting down t this point. there's no sign of DF even slowing down or going anywhere but up
I'm not so sure.
They spent millions developing this game, yet have no physical distribution anywhere, and sales are limited to whenever they decide to open the store. It's impossible for any business to recoup their investments that way. They've got to be hemorrhaging cash right now, because there's no way that limited subs and such tightly controlled sales are making them any money, especially when you consider paychecks that have to be written, bills that have to be paid, overhead costs to keep the doors open, and investors that want their money repaid.
I don't see any rational reason for Tasos to be flying off the handle like he has been over a single review unless he's trying to kick the hornets nest and get the fans distracted. Give them a scapegoat to be pissed off at if the game folds anytime soon. It's the only thing that makes sense. A single review shouldn't provoke the kind of reaction that Tasos is having, no matter how bad and/or unfair that review might be.
I never played beta, picked the game up a month ago and so far it's fun. For what it's worth I found the review in question was way off base, the ui is different and takes a little time to adjust to, the skill system is ok no different really then any other grind, be it lvl 80 or skill 100. Inventory management not as user friendly as WoW but not a deal killer, the graphics are fine, not going to set a new standard but not incredibly dull either. To me the combat is where it shines it's tough, you better be able to move and target or you are toast, why so many people who have not played it keep telling everyone how it is amazes me. It's got some issues but I have played them all and I have never seen one of them come out of the gate perfect...if you read the forums of these other games you will see the same people who feel each of these games is wrong because it is not what they want.... everyone seems to think they are special enough that all games/characters should be how they think not the designers. If you don't like it don't play it, stick to WoW, Eve, or whatever game you play. I like that it's not like WoW or the others, if I had to make one more raid for uber loot so I could raid for uber loot again I would scream..... no risk no reward. The danger, the unknown all add to the game for me.... I get killed all the time, no biggie I restock and try again. If you want to be guided and told what skills you can have and how you have to play the game then please feel free to stick to the standard fare, if you want to try something different that might be the change you are looking for give it a go but please quit reposting the same tired post of how a game you never played sucks.
what, you enjoy Darkfall? what a total raving fanboi!!!1111
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This is from Tasos's responce to EG's responce. I know that it's not the what the OP posted, but I found it interesting:
"we will not go so far as to insinuate that Eurogamer's second attempt at a Darkfall review will only serve to confirm the first one. We will also not insinuate that the situation created by the first review will not affect the second reviewer."
I wonder if he's trying to insinuate anything?
"We tried to deal with this privately but Eurogamer wouldn’t hear it, so we had no recourse but to go public."
He stated in his post about the review that he waited 5 hours and then couldn't wait any longer and decided to adress the review. Now he's trying to blame EG for this being public. He's the one that's generating all of the attention. He's not that big an idiot; he knows what he's doing.
He's attempting to garner support for the game and his company.
He's trying to spin the perseption that the small indy development studio is standing up to the big European gaming site that unfairly, and unjustly rated the game. He's insinuated that the reviewer, and possibly EG are running a smear compaign against Av. He even goes so far as to call the review an assisnation piece, and "It’s obviously personal when someone will tear our game apart without actually playing it...". Not only did he claim it wa personal, he said that the review never actually played it. What's all the *evidence about if he never "actually played it"?
"I spoke with Kieron..."
Why would he contact the reviewer? That just seems odd. Not to mention, if he thinks that Kieron can do the review properly, why wouldn't he just let him do it? He had to give the accounts to EG in order for them to actually be able to do the review to begin with; how would he be able to do a review for another site? Has Kireon been given access to the game? It's been a few days now, I would imagine with all the attention there wouldn't have been much of a wait to get in and start checking things out. What actually happend in that conversation? Tasos was fine with another review yesterday: "We wrote back that it might be hard to find someone to confirm the first review, especially if they actually play the game." This doesn't sound like someone that's apposed to a second review, but actually wants it.
He spoke with kieron, and now he doesn't want a second review; even though he says he thinks kieron would be ok to do it. He changed his mind after talking to Kieron, why?
"We pleaded with him to give us some time to discuss this, but he turned us down and sited Ed Zitron’s supposed impeccable track record."
That's now two dif. accounts of what happend. In the original responce to the review he pleaded for them to not run it and to get a second review to review it first. That's not the same as a plea to discuss it. He changed his story; not by much, but it's still not the same as what he said the other day.
"but in the meanwhile we‘re taking irreparable damage and there’s simply nothing we can do about it."
The game is in a limitted release stage, the review has only been out 2 or 3 days, and in the time they haven't openned the store once. How can make such a claim when you haven't even attempted to sell the game, let alone opened to the masses. As long as it's a limitted release there is absolutely no way to tell if the review has actually had any kind of real effect on them.
Personally I think that EG should file suit against Av.
Hell, I really think that someone needs to file a class action suit against Av for falsely advertising the game.
I did in fact click on the links. As far as I could tell you need to be able to read to use them. Am I missing a deep booming voice telling me what to do? Can't wait to see your reply - bet its hilarious.
Why would a journalist review a game? Critics are NOT journalists.
Yeah, Tasos seem's to just go a bit overboard with this. He need's to quite and pay more attention to his game then some bad review. He must not understand there will always be bad reviews. Even the best products out there someone will end up hating and downplaying in some review.
Why would a journalist review a game? Critics are NOT journalists.
You realize you are trying to reason with a Darkfail fan yes?
I never played beta, picked the game up a month ago and so far it's fun. For what it's worth I found the review in question was way off base, the ui is different and takes a little time to adjust to, the skill system is ok no different really then any other grind, be it lvl 80 or skill 100. Inventory management not as user friendly as WoW but not a deal killer, the graphics are fine, not going to set a new standard but not incredibly dull either. To me the combat is where it shines it's tough, you better be able to move and target or you are toast, why so many people who have not played it keep telling everyone how it is amazes me. It's got some issues but I have played them all and I have never seen one of them come out of the gate perfect...if you read the forums of these other games you will see the same people who feel each of these games is wrong because it is not what they want.... everyone seems to think they are special enough that all games/characters should be how they think not the designers.
If you don't like it don't play it, stick to WoW, Eve, or whatever game you play. I like that it's not like WoW or the others, if I had to make one more raid for uber loot so I could raid for uber loot again I would scream..... no risk no reward. The danger, the unknown all add to the game for me.... I get killed all the time, no biggie I restock and try again. If you want to be guided and told what skills you can have and how you have to play the game then please feel free to stick to the standard fare, if you want to try something different that might be the change you are looking for give it a go but please quit reposting the same tired post of how a game you never played sucks.
For a guy behind a game that is supposed to be "hardcore", Tasos sure whines alot.
He states that he respects the guy they have picked to do the re-review and trust that he would be professional, but now they don't want a re-review? There can only be one reason for not wanting a re-review, and that is he is afraid that the second review would largely confirm the first.
Tasos is certainly aware that Darkfall in its current state is simply embarassing and should have been held back until it was ready, but he is now left in the difficult position of trying to pass off a turd as a gold nugget. The guy has no credibility has is vastly overreacting to the Eurogamer review, but I do have some sympathy of the guy because he really has no good options. The game isn't good enough and he knows it.
"take it in the chin"...
Thought he was going to say "take it in the mouth". Gahaha.
Basically all this says is "The next person would've given a 2/10 aswell, and we don't want that".
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Why would a journalist review a game? Critics are NOT journalists.
You realize you are trying to reason with a Darkfail fan yes?
A momentary lapse of reason. It will never happen again.
I did in fact click on the links. As far as I could tell you need to be able to read to use them. Am I missing a deep booming voice telling me what to do? Can't wait to see your reply - bet its hilarious.
I stated use your mind, you know like when asking for help you ask someone correct? Those sites will send you tapes you can listen to. I'm just going to drop this because you realized you were wrong and are now just being silly. Let's get back on topic, shall we?
I got banned from their forums today for calling Tasos out. I don't know what took those brown nosing mods so long to ban me. I had been trying for weeks to get banned. That forum was the first forum ban for me ever and I have been playing mmo's and participating in forums for well over a decade.
mmm WOW 7.2, Darkfall 7.1... interesting...
i'm a little surprised Tasos reacted the way he did to the EG review since it was already very evident to any intelligent reader that firstly, the guy was not being anywhere near objective, and secondly, the guy has zero respect for anything that deviates from the WOW-clone developer's handbook. hell, he even called all players and potential sellers of the game "idiots" and "morons"... this review is about as "professional" as the barely legible scrawlings of half the members of this forum.
if i were tasos, i would have just called Ed a closed-minded WOW-loving emoraging carebear and gone back to this week's kickass patch. that or tasos has taken his amazing talent for meta-trolling idiots to a whole new level of genius.
Thanks javac, you are one of the kings of spin on the forums and you don't cease to disappoint here. Actually, if you read the reviews, its more like 9.3 to 2.0 in favor of WoW. Indie companies with a tiny fanbase, with a game that is only released to fans or lucky people, user scores are pointless right now. And if you also noticed, EG gave WoW the 2nd worse score on Metacritic, a 8.0. DF a 2.0. They might be harsh, but at least they are to both games as WoW is definitely far from an 8.0 according to overall reviews.
But sorry, my favorite part of your spin is to actually try to hint at Tasos being a 'genius'? Really? Honestly? You can say that without laughing, seriously? REALLY?
mmm WOW 7.2, Darkfall 7.1... interesting...
i'm a little surprised Tasos reacted the way he did to the EG review since it was already very evident to any intelligent reader that firstly, the guy was not being anywhere near objective, and secondly, the guy has zero respect for anything that deviates from the WOW-clone developer's handbook. hell, he even called all players and potential sellers of the game "idiots" and "morons"... this review is about as "professional" as the barely legible scrawlings of half the members of this forum.
if i were tasos, i would have just called Ed a closed-minded WOW-loving emoraging carebear and gone back to this week's kickass patch. that or tasos has taken his amazing talent for meta-trolling idiots to a whole new level of genius.
Thanks javac, you are one of the kings of spin on the forums and you don't cease to disappoint here. Actually, if you read the reviews, its more like 9.3 to 2.0 in favor of WoW. Indie companies with a tiny fanbase, with a game that is only released to fans or lucky people, user scores are pointless right now. And if you also noticed, EG gave WoW the 2nd worse score on Metacritic, a 8.0. DF a 2.0. They might be harsh, but at least they are to both games as WoW is definitely far from an 8.0 according to overall reviews.
But sorry, my favorite part of your spin is to actually try to hint at Tasos being a 'genius'? Really? Honestly? You can stay that without laughing, seriously? REALLY?
You realize you are trying to reason with a Darkfail fan, yes?
That's why I'm starting to believe this has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with whatever the real state of Aventurine is behind the scenes. There's simply no reason for any game developer to blow their gasket like this in public unless they're hiding something.
The way he's acting suggests he's trying to create this controversy to supply enough cover for AV if they shut down Darkfall in the near future. Tasos can then blame Ed Zitron and Eurogamer and any negative publicity from all this for their failure instead of anything to do with their limited sales, lack of distribution, etc. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
That's why I'm starting to believe this has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with whatever the real state of Aventurine is behind the scenes. There's simply no reason for any game developer to blow their gasket like this in public unless they're hiding something.
The way he's acting suggests he's trying to create this controversy to supply enough cover for AV if they shut down Darkfall in the near future. Tasos can then blame Ed Zitron and Eurogamer and any negative publicity from all this for their failure instead of anything to do with their limited sales, lack of distribution, etc. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
Its looking more and more like this is on the money to me.
tasos cannot, and will not, take any responsibility, so hes looking for a scapegoat.
My guess. Server closed by July.
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That's why I'm starting to believe this has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with whatever the real state of Aventurine is behind the scenes. There's simply no reason for any game developer to blow their gasket like this in public unless they're hiding something.
The way he's acting suggests he's trying to create this controversy to supply enough cover for AV if they shut down Darkfall in the near future. Tasos can then blame Ed Zitron and Eurogamer and any negative publicity from all this for their failure instead of anything to do with their limited sales, lack of distribution, etc. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
Actually, this is one conspiracy theory that doesn't sound all that far out.
Maybe so, maybe so.
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That's why I'm starting to believe this has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with whatever the real state of Aventurine is behind the scenes. There's simply no reason for any game developer to blow their gasket like this in public unless they're hiding something.
The way he's acting suggests he's trying to create this controversy to supply enough cover for AV if they shut down Darkfall in the near future. Tasos can then blame Ed Zitron and Eurogamer and any negative publicity from all this for their failure instead of anything to do with their limited sales, lack of distribution, etc. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
The thought did cross my mind.
I really can't see this game lasting very long with the way they're doing things. At least not if thier income is dependant upon the sales of the game. It's been just over 2 months now and they still can't open the shop on a regular basis; something I find incredibly odd since they said the technology was scaleable.
If the server clusters are to expensive for them to open a new one how can they keep this game running?
It shouldn't take 2 months for them to figure out what thier load capacity is.
I also found it intersting that Tasos decides after talking to keiron to not have a second review done. I really do think that he had an opportunity to get in the game and Tasos may have been warned that it was unlikely that the second review would be any dif. then the fist; so Tasos took the opportunity to turn in down.
I can not believe that Tasos can possibly believe the crap that he spins, at least not if he's sane.
Something is def. going on.
Maybe he is staging a scapegoat, or maybe he thinks he's really that good a spin doctor and figures he can work this into his favor.
Edit: Lidane,
If they shut the game down within the next few months and blame it on EG I'll personally send you a check for 50 bucks.
Now, I don't pretend to know AV's business behind the scenes. However, I *am* currently up to my eyeballs in business classes and I'm trying to look at all this from a management point of view.
What possible reason is there for the lead designer of a game (and, presumably, the CEO of the company) to repeatedly fly off the handle like this over a single bad and/or unfair review? Bad reviews are nothing new in the games industry. Unfair reviews can be discussed quietly behind the scenes with the game company and the website/magazine who printed that review, with a retraction and/or apology posted after the fact. There's no logical explanation why anyone would have multiple back-to-back walls of public nerd rage text over a game review unless there's something else at work here.
Plus, I'm trying to think about all the money they spent developing this game, only to have such limited sales, no physical distribution of DF, and such a tight grip over how often anyone can have access to the game. Those things don't compute. You don't spend millions of dollars making a game to only sell it at your website and only on certain dates and times. It's impossible to recoup your investment that way.
There's a lot more at work here that AV isn't saying. Such an extreme overreaction to a single review just doesn't make any sense unless they're trying to kick up enough dust so the fans will have someone else to blame when Darkfall folds.
omg a shred of actual insight. shame you lost it in the second paragraph though... there is no chance Darkfall will be shutting down t this point. there's no sign of DF even slowing down or going anywhere but up atm.
but yes, if anything, this spat shows tasos is feeling the pressure though. having been personally involved in releasing actual commercial software i know how much pressure the first few months are until hardware & sofrtware issues resolve themselves.
So first he has a QQ fest about the review then they offer to get a multi award winning journalist to review it for them !
and now they decline !!!!!!!
i wonder why that is .
omg a shred of actual insight. shame you lost it in the second paragraph though... there is no chance Darkfall will be shutting down t this point. there's no sign of DF even slowing down or going anywhere but up atm.
but yes, if anything, this spat shows tasos is feeling the pressure though. having been personally involved in releasing actual commercial software i know how much pressure the first few months are until hardware & sofrtware issues resolve themselves.
You are a Darkfail fan.. how in the hell could you elude to the fact that you can recognize insight, and then in the same post say there is no sign of Darkfail slowing down, when the signs are all over the place?
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I'm not so sure.
They spent millions developing this game, yet have no physical distribution anywhere, and sales are limited to whenever they decide to open the store. It's impossible for any business to recoup their investments that way. They've got to be hemorrhaging cash right now, because there's no way that limited subs and such tightly controlled sales are making them any money, especially when you consider paychecks that have to be written, bills that have to be paid, overhead costs to keep the doors open, and investors that want their money repaid.
I don't see any rational reason for Tasos to be flying off the handle like he has been over a single review unless he's trying to kick the hornets nest and get the fans distracted. Give them a scapegoat to be pissed off at if the game folds anytime soon. It's the only thing that makes sense. A single review shouldn't provoke the kind of reaction that Tasos is having, no matter how bad and/or unfair that review might be.
what, you enjoy Darkfall? what a total raving fanboi!!!1111