Wow, 27 pages...how far back did it get hijacked? Anyway, back on topic:
1. SWG stealth nerf to the NGE
2. Vanguard at release, better now, but what a miserable release.
3. AoC at release. Hear its better now, haven't gone back. Would be #2 if I didn't get a nice new rig out of the deal.
4. PotBS. Not much to say here. History buff takes it up the.....well, anyway, it was/is bad.
5. WAR. Just bleh...
All in all, 2008 might be the worst year for gamers to date. 2009 hasn't begun any better. Here's hoping everything supposed to release in '09 is put on hold till it is finished in 2010.
Originally posted by Ginkeq Where am I wrong? In this post I told you why they are using instances. Is that wrong? Lets see, originally there was World PvP, servers crashed, etc. Then came AV, 40 x 40s, WSG 10x10 and AB 15x15 Now what is it down to? 5x5, 3x3, and 2x2 (most common) Next it will just be duels, that will save blizzard the most money and give players the fakest and most worthless PvP system ever.
And yes anyone who thinks that PvP system they have there is somehow real, or fun, is stupid, and never played a real PvP game like EQ. Fighting for worthless points is worthless
Your assumption that they added battleground to save bandwidth/money is wrong. Wow wasn't built for world pvp. I'm not sure I would classify "real pvp" as zergs of people running around killing each other in totally unbalanced teams until a gazillion alliance players showed up and either crashed the server or out matched the horde 3:1, but hey we all have our opinions I guess.
Your closed minded argument that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, retarded or whatever other insult you pick is just childish. If you strip away the superiority complex you have, all you are saying is you don't like wow pvp. The only way you feel better about your opinion is by insulting other people. Nothing you have said shows it is bad or whatever else you claim.
If your beloved world pvp was so awesome there was nothing stopping people from continuing to do it, yet they did. It sure sounds like pvp is a lot more fun when the teams are evenly matched and victory isn't determined by whoever has the most players on their side, but thank god we have you here to tell people they are stupid for enjoying something.
What is wrong with even teams on both sides in objective based pvp areas? Are all counterstrike players retards too?
Originally posted by Ginkeq Where am I wrong? In this post I told you why they are using instances. Is that wrong? Lets see, originally there was World PvP, servers crashed, etc. Then came AV, 40 x 40s, WSG 10x10 and AB 15x15 Now what is it down to? 5x5, 3x3, and 2x2 (most common) Next it will just be duels, that will save blizzard the most money and give players the fakest and most worthless PvP system ever.
And yes anyone who thinks that PvP system they have there is somehow real, or fun, is stupid, and never played a real PvP game like EQ. Fighting for worthless points is worthless
Your assumption that they added battleground to save bandwidth/money is wrong. Wow wasn't built for world pvp. I'm not sure I would classify "real pvp" as zergs of people running around killing each other in totally unbalanced teams until a gazillion alliance players showed up and either crashed the server or out matched the horde 3:1, but hey we all have our opinions I guess.
Your closed minded argument that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, retarded or whatever other insult you pick is just childish. If you strip away the superiority complex you have, all you are saying is you don't like wow pvp. The only way you feel better about your opinion is by insulting other people. Nothing you have said shows it is bad or whatever else you claim.
If your beloved world pvp was so awesome there was nothing stopping people from continuing to do it, yet they did. It sure sounds like pvp is a lot more fun when the teams are evenly matched and victory isn't determined by whoever has the most players on their side, but thank god we have you here to tell people they are stupid for enjoying something.
What is wrong with even teams on both sides in objective based pvp areas? Are all counterstrike players retards too?
ummm....he said that the PvP system sucked....and so did you...why are you arguing again?
and yes...all CS players are retards...including me
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Originally posted by Ginkeq Where am I wrong? In this post I told you why they are using instances. Is that wrong? Lets see, originally there was World PvP, servers crashed, etc. Then came AV, 40 x 40s, WSG 10x10 and AB 15x15 Now what is it down to? 5x5, 3x3, and 2x2 (most common) Next it will just be duels, that will save blizzard the most money and give players the fakest and most worthless PvP system ever.
Your assumption that they added battleground to save bandwidth/money is wrong. Wow wasn't built for world pvp. I'm not sure I would classify "real pvp" as zergs of people running around killing each other in totally unbalanced teams until a gazillion alliance players showed up and either crashed the server or out matched the horde 3:1, but hey we all have our opinions I guess.
Your closed minded argument that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, retarded or whatever other insult you pick is just childish. If you strip away the superiority complex you have, all you are saying is you don't like wow pvp. The only way you feel better about your opinion is by insulting other people. Nothing you have said shows it is bad or whatever else you claim.
If your beloved world pvp was so awesome there was nothing stopping people from continuing to do it, yet they did. It sure sounds like pvp is a lot more fun when the teams are evenly matched and victory isn't determined by whoever has the most players on their side, but thank god we have you here to tell people they are stupid for enjoying something.
What is wrong with even teams on both sides in objective based pvp areas? Are all counterstrike players retards too?
hahaha....
Yeah it wasnt built for world pvp. I cant go into a horde MC instance and stop them from raiding, cause the games so damn fake lol.
Not only don't I like WoW PvP, but it sucks. So yeah, whatever
You think people enjoy PvP? Here is WoW PVP. Lvl 80 Paladin LF DK partner. Form a team, get 1900-2000 rating ez due to game imbalances. Oh IM LEET PVPER LEET look my rating
That is what WoW sounds like. Hows that fun, or real, or anything worthwhile? God they suck
HAHA and yeah, NO ONE WORLD PVPS. Because the way the world pvp system is set up in retarded WoW HAHA. Like, you kill someone at a spawn you want, they just come back and gank u when ur on mobs. Because there is no loss in WoW, you can keep coming back no matter how many times you die. Its for carebears & retards, come on, admit it. If it wasn't, why aren't there any real penalties in World PvP. Then again its not like PvE locations in WoW have any loot tables, at least World Spawns don't. So there's no competition over locations even. The game sucks
And you can't compete over the endgame content because its all hidden away in protecte instances.
Little carebear retard game
And wtf. You act like BGs are balanced. Why doesnt it match the same classes vs each other, every time, then? And then if it were REALLY balanced it would look at the player specs to figure out what a BALANCED match is. No one gives a fuck about balance, and WoW isnt balanced either. Take a damn look at whos at the top of the rating charts one day for APs.
And yeah, Unbalanced PvP was really damn fun on EQ. Getting Manaburned, DTed, etc. I dont care. And when we were raiding planes of power with 50-60 people, 100-200 horde would run in and attack raids. What can you get that is like that in WoW? Some fake ass system, you go to a guy and tell him you want to do a BG. Then you get put in a safe BG.
It's like cattle on a farm or something. Exactly like that. Theres no challenge in WoW, and its not exciting because it's that trivial
Originally posted by Gestankfaust ummm....he said that the PvP system sucked....and so did you...why are you arguing again?
and yes...all CS players are retards...including me
I thought the world pvp sucked most of the time and I rather enjoyed the battlegrounds. He prefered the world pvp to what blizzard added to the game and that is fine. Even though I disagree with him I don't feel the need to call him mentally impared for not agreeing with me. Nor do I need to fabricate lies about why blizzard created battlegrounds.
Originally posted by Gestankfaust ummm....he said that the PvP system sucked....and so did you...why are you arguing again?
and yes...all CS players are retards...including me
I thought the world pvp sucked most of the time and I rather enjoyed the battlegrounds. He prefered the world pvp to what blizzard added to the game and that is fine. Even though I disagree with him I don't feel the need to call him mentally impared for not agreeing with me. Nor do I need to fabricate lies about why blizzard created battlegrounds.
Did the servers crash or not when people attack Undercity or Orgrimmar?
Anyone who finds WoW PVP fun/exciting is definitely mentally impaired. Play a game with some risk and challenge.
Of course World PvP is going to suck when there is no reason to participate in World PvP. Everything is instanced and World NPCs have no loot. And there's no penalty. Do you even read my posts before you spout random garbage that I've addressed
Originally posted by Gestankfaust ummm....he said that the PvP system sucked....and so did you...why are you arguing again?
and yes...all CS players are retards...including me
I thought the world pvp sucked most of the time and I rather enjoyed the battlegrounds. He prefered the world pvp to what blizzard added to the game and that is fine. Even though I disagree with him I don't feel the need to call him mentally impared for not agreeing with me. Nor do I need to fabricate lies about why blizzard created battlegrounds.
Did the servers crash or not when people attack Undercity or Orgrimmar?
Anyone who finds WoW PVP fun/exciting is definitely mentally impaired. Play a game with some risk and challenge.
Of course World PvP is going to suck when there is no reason to participate in World PvP. Everything is instanced and World NPCs have no loot. And there's no penalty. Do you even read my posts before you spout random garbage that I've addressed
All they had to do was let you capture contested territory and cities instead of Battlegrounds.
Besides Ioved it because I got with my guild and friends and we'd roam the world and guard zones and protect newbies from higher level players. We'd make up our own things to do and everyone was out roaming the world killing eachother and it was busy. I miss the nightly city raids and Hillsbrad and just how busy and full of life the world was.
Now however everyones in battlegrounds and and in the new areas and the whole world is dead and it's just boring and such a shame. I hate the level based system along with expansions because they become top heavy and they you have to spend 80 levels grinding just to play with everyone else.
I just wish'd Blizzard would make pre battlegrounds WoW but with Arenas cause they have no effect on the world.
+ CS is great because it's like dueling purely about team tactics and skill.
You can only play 5 vs 5 though otherwise it sucks and never play public servers.
Originally posted by Gestankfaust ummm....he said that the PvP system sucked....and so did you...why are you arguing again?
and yes...all CS players are retards...including me
I thought the world pvp sucked most of the time and I rather enjoyed the battlegrounds. He prefered the world pvp to what blizzard added to the game and that is fine. Even though I disagree with him I don't feel the need to call him mentally impared for not agreeing with me. Nor do I need to fabricate lies about why blizzard created battlegrounds.
Did the servers crash or not when people attack Undercity or Orgrimmar?
Anyone who finds WoW PVP fun/exciting is definitely mentally impaired. Play a game with some risk and challenge.
Of course World PvP is going to suck when there is no reason to participate in World PvP. Everything is instanced and World NPCs have no loot. And there's no penalty. Do you even read my posts before you spout random garbage that I've addressed
All they had to do was let you capture contested territory and cities instead of Battlegrounds.
Besides Ioved it because I got with my guild and friends and we'd roam the world and guard zones and protect newbies from higher level players. We'd make up our own things to do and everyone was out roaming the world killing eachother and it was busy. I miss the nightly city raids and Hillsbrad and just how busy and full of life the world was.
Now however everyones in battlegrounds and and in the new areas and the whole world is dead and it's just boring and such a shame. I hate the level based system along with expansions because they become top heavy and they you have to spend 80 levels grinding just to play with everyone else.
I just wish'd Blizzard would make pre battlegrounds WoW but with Arenas cause they have no effect on the world.
This is what I hate about PvP...it never effects anything....except gear or status....as if the world just gets a pass in the carnage. Should have destroyed towns and such....wussy game makers
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Wow wasn't innovative when it came out - although its art was, it didn't try too much different or new. But lots of stuff that they do now absolutely is: battlegrounds, flying mounts, massive zones, etc..
Blindly attacking something just because it's popular is just as bad as following something just because it's popular.
Wow wasn't innovative when it came out - although its art was, it didn't try too much different or new. But lots of stuff that they do now absolutely is: battlegrounds, flying mounts, massive zones, etc.. Blindly attacking something just because it's popular is just as bad as following something just because it's popular.
The idea of battlegrounds isn't neccesarily innovative. Dark Age of Camelot's RvR are battlegrounds, and ironically being better.
Wow wasn't innovative when it came out - although its art was, it didn't try too much different or new. But lots of stuff that they do now absolutely is: battlegrounds, flying mounts, massive zones, etc.. Blindly attacking something just because it's popular is just as bad as following something just because it's popular.
WTF?
I fucking beat the game, I can say it's fucking trash if I want.
It's art was innovative? I remember people saying the art sucked when I first played. Kiddy graphics, cheap, cartoony, etc.
Massive zones? name a massive WoW zone? You could fit all of WoW on Kunark, real massive, yeah right.
And yeah BGs are real innovative, innovative garbage. As I said, it's just for people who suck and can't handle games with NATURAL & REAL PVP systems. They need edto give the idiots points for fighting each other, and get rid of any incentives to participate in any real PvP the game could have had.
I loved WoW when it first came out. Over the years I have grown a deep hatred for it in my soul. It has caused pain and misery to me and several real life close friends all because of the horrible allure to the dregs of humanity that is reffered to as the WoW community. Divorce, drug addiction, and suicide. I truly believe Blizzard sold thier souls as this game is pure evil incarnate. Ohhh the tales I could tell..........sad :(o
Wow wasn't innovative when it came out - although its art was, it didn't try too much different or new. But lots of stuff that they do now absolutely is: battlegrounds, flying mounts, massive zones, etc.. Blindly attacking something just because it's popular is just as bad as following something just because it's popular.
WTF?
I fucking beat the game, I can say it's fucking trash if I want.
It's art was innovative? I remember people saying the art sucked when I first played. Kiddy graphics, cheap, cartoony, etc.
Massive zones? name a massive WoW zone? You could fit all of WoW on Kunark, real massive, yeah right.
And yeah BGs are real innovative, innovative garbage. As I said, it's just for people who suck and can't handle games with NATURAL & REAL PVP systems. They need edto give the idiots points for fighting each other, and get rid of any incentives to participate in any real PvP the game could have had.
natural & real PvP systems in an MMO? Does not exist....so where do you get your info here?
The art was innovative....and I don't think you were there to remember....the people who hated the GFX were the ones who didn't like the "cartoon" nature of it. But it was still innovative in that most PCs could play it and it stuck to the Warcraft "feel"
sorry....
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Wow wasn't innovative when it came out - although its art was, it didn't try too much different or new. But lots of stuff that they do now absolutely is: battlegrounds, flying mounts, massive zones, etc.. Blindly attacking something just because it's popular is just as bad as following something just because it's popular.
WTF?
I fucking beat the game, I can say it's fucking trash if I want.
It's art was innovative? I remember people saying the art sucked when I first played. Kiddy graphics, cheap, cartoony, etc.
Massive zones? name a massive WoW zone? You could fit all of WoW on Kunark, real massive, yeah right.
And yeah BGs are real innovative, innovative garbage. As I said, it's just for people who suck and can't handle games with NATURAL & REAL PVP systems. They need edto give the idiots points for fighting each other, and get rid of any incentives to participate in any real PvP the game could have had.
natural & real PvP systems in an MMO? Does not exist....so where do you get your info here?
The art was innovative....and I don't think you were there to remember....the people who hated the GFX were the ones who didn't like the "cartoon" nature of it. But it was still innovative in that most PCs could play it and it stuck to the Warcraft "feel"
sorry....
real pvp = SZ EQ. You can go into their town and take out level 6's man, hardcore
I played WoW when it came out. I actually was hoping it would be good, but it wasn't. We spent our time farming MC and screwing around in TM because the idiots didn't have contested world spawns that people could fight over.
I fucking beat the game, I can say it's fucking trash if I want.
It's art was innovative? I remember people saying the art sucked when I first played. Kiddy graphics, cheap, cartoony, etc.
Massive zones? name a massive WoW zone? You could fit all of WoW on Kunark, real massive, yeah right.
And yeah BGs are real innovative, innovative garbage. As I said, it's just for people who suck and can't handle games with NATURAL & REAL PVP systems. They need edto give the idiots points for fighting each other, and get rid of any incentives to participate in any real PvP the game could have had. >>
How many hours played until you felt that you had "beat it"? What makes you say you've "beat it"? You spent that long beating garbage?
Massive zones... all of BC is ONE zone, including Shattrath (no zoning to get from one end to another). Maybe Kunark's bigger, I don't know, I'd be surprised, but is that a 3d zone?
I've cut my teeth playing AC1's DT, Shadowbane and a few others. What game is better than WoW at pvp? Daoc... maybe... Eve, maybe -haven't tried that, what others? BGs and arenas are quick fun and they test skill relatively fairly (maybe that's what you don't like about it?).
There are tons of things that I don't like about WoW but that doesn't make it garbage compared to everything else that's combe before and all that we have now.
Wow wasn't innovative when it came out - although its art was, it didn't try too much different or new. But lots of stuff that they do now absolutely is: battlegrounds, flying mounts, massive zones, etc.. Blindly attacking something just because it's popular is just as bad as following something just because it's popular.
WTF?
I fucking beat the game, I can say it's fucking trash if I want.
It's art was innovative? I remember people saying the art sucked when I first played. Kiddy graphics, cheap, cartoony, etc.
Massive zones? name a massive WoW zone? You could fit all of WoW on Kunark, real massive, yeah right.
And yeah BGs are real innovative, innovative garbage. As I said, it's just for people who suck and can't handle games with NATURAL & REAL PVP systems. They need edto give the idiots points for fighting each other, and get rid of any incentives to participate in any real PvP the game could have had.
natural & real PvP systems in an MMO? Does not exist....so where do you get your info here?
The art was innovative....and I don't think you were there to remember....the people who hated the GFX were the ones who didn't like the "cartoon" nature of it. But it was still innovative in that most PCs could play it and it stuck to the Warcraft "feel"
sorry....
real pvp = SZ EQ. You can go into their town and take out level 6's man, hardcore
I played WoW when it came out. I actually was hoping it would be good, but it wasn't. We spent our time farming MC and screwing around in TM because the idiots didn't have contested world spawns that people could fight over.
last I checked....they capped the level you could PvP.....so if you were 20, you couldn't kill a 6. (or am I remembering wrong now)
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
For me it's simply the state of SOE.With the success of Playstation you would hope this company would be doing better than it is and would not be so instrumental in disappointing so many mmo players be it players of POTBS,SWG,EQ2, or vanguard, hell I'd even say the lack of enthusiasm they have garnered for DCO is a failure this company should be doing so much more with the power they had but in ultimately someone up top is slept with and fell in love with Smedley so they allowed him to keep ruining the company.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
How many hours played until you felt that you had "beat it"? What makes you say you've "beat it"? You spent that long beating garbage? Massive zones... all of BC is ONE zone, including Shattrath (no zoning to get from one end to another). Maybe Kunark's bigger, I don't know, I'd be surprised, but is that a 3d zone? I've cut my teeth playing AC1's DT, Shadowbane and a few others. What game is better than WoW at pvp? Daoc... maybe... Eve, maybe -haven't tried that, what others? BGs and arenas are quick fun and they test skill relatively fairly (maybe that's what you don't like about it?). There are tons of things that I don't like about WoW but that doesn't make it garbage compared to everything else that's combe before and all that we have now.
20-30 days /played to beat WoW.
Here is how you beat WoW:
You are one of the few guilds that does world firsts. You get sick of farming the same trivial shit over and over that retards cant handle. (Nerf Naxx some more blizzard, cause the tards couldnt handle it)
I dont like it when retarded shit players have the same gear as me. Thats why I enjoy impossible content like EQ. When you make shit trivial like after the naxx nerfs, everyone is the same.
You get sick of their fake ass newbie PvP system, that is another way to win. And their PvP system is like, lets give everyone the same shitty gear and make them spend 2 months getting it.
WoW pvp is just shit man, I don't know how to explain it to someone whos sole MMO experience is their fake ass cartoon carebear newbie instanced POS system.
Like, wtf. Its like you go into special retard zones to fight each other, over and over, and over and over. But a real game like EQ, you are like, "Oh I hear guild Y is trying to raid Rallos Zek", and you put together a team of people to go train the shit out of them. It's a real system, where people fight each other for control of zones, to gain the most power.
WoW effectively eliminated competition, drama, etc. from MMOs, which is why its an epic failure for carebear idiots
Um no on Sullon Zek if you were above level 6 you were fair game in EQ. I remember leveling my neut in highhold keep and level 50-60 goods would take over the zone for a while, killing all the level 20s-30s in it. But you don't get that in pussy MMos like WoW cause they suck and theres no incentive for anything and no reason to PvP.
I really love Warhammer fantasy roleplaying game and WAR is nowhere close, they took some parts from the tabletop and mix it into Wow. Only place in it that remotley have the right feel is Altdorf and that is just because GW said they would pull the license if they didnt remake it before launch.
That game could so easily been the best game out there but instead Mythic made a stanard MMO, not a bad one but nowhere near what a Warhammer MMO deserves.
I played the pen and paper RPG for more than 15 years and they just took out all the horror out of my favorite game and turned it into the tabletop version of Wow. The sad thing is that Mythic can do better and the world is the most suited for a MMO that have ever been made.
<< 20-30 days /played to beat WoW. >> Swish... right over your head...
Actually for a hardcore player that played a massive amount of hours a week (im sure atleast 10+ hours a day).
Thats possible you could level to 60 in two weeks thats like 2-3 dayz played and thats if your a newb.
Now if he got lucky with dungeon drops at 60 then did nothing but log in for raids at night a person could have 20-30 days played in over a year of playing.
You spred it out if you only log in for scheduled raids.
Of course WoW is different now so you would need twice as many dayz to do that uldar stuff but its still quite easy compared to the shit he went through in that hell hole EQ pvp server.
I loved WoW when it first came out. Over the years I have grown a deep hatred for it in my soul. It has caused pain and misery to me and several real life close friends all because of the horrible allure to the dregs of humanity that is reffered to as the WoW community. Divorce, drug addiction, and suicide. I truly believe Blizzard sold thier souls as this game is pure evil incarnate. Ohhh the tales I could tell..........sad :(o
It is not really Wows fault that some people prefer it to real life. As for the drug addiction, the worst Wow players I know would never waste a single minute to be high when they could be playing.
But it is hard that some people can't spend some time in the real world, but that can't really be Wows fault, the problem is that their life sucks so badly that they dont want to live it. If they didnt play Wow they would escape reality in books, drugs, TV or something else instead.
I know people who have the problem but they don't want my help to get out of it. But blaming the game is wrong, the problem is the things that makes them want to forget about life.
Wow is not evil, the problem is that some people can't stand their own life, and it is sad but the only thing you can do is try to be a friend and not giving up on them.
Definitely a toss-up between Vanguard and Darkfall. I really wanted to like both of those games, but it wasn't meant to be...
Actually, now that I think of it, I tried Vanguard a second time. I had no interest doing that with Darkfall. So I guess if I had to choose between the two, I'd say Darkfall.
<< 20-30 days /played to beat WoW. >> Swish... right over your head...
I'll quit playing MMOs if it ever gets that easy for me....
(hint to all morons who need showers/jobs/food/love interests)
people that Enjoy hardcore MMO play arent losers man.
I have kids and a wife and I still found time to play Eve for 30-40 hours a week and still take out the wife and play with the kids at the park and do shit like BBQs in the back yard.
Just a normal incredibly organized guy that doesnt mind sacrificing 2-3 hours sleep a night for a good MMO ( I would Normally get 4+ hours of sleep instead of 7).
MY wife never complained, i;ve been happily married for a long time now.
So cut the wothless basement dweler shit out its not our fault that you guys cant find time to play MMOs more then 3 hours a week.
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Wow, 27 pages...how far back did it get hijacked? Anyway, back on topic:
1. SWG stealth nerf to the NGE
2. Vanguard at release, better now, but what a miserable release.
3. AoC at release. Hear its better now, haven't gone back. Would be #2 if I didn't get a nice new rig out of the deal.
4. PotBS. Not much to say here. History buff takes it up the.....well, anyway, it was/is bad.
5. WAR. Just bleh...
All in all, 2008 might be the worst year for gamers to date. 2009 hasn't begun any better. Here's hoping everything supposed to release in '09 is put on hold till it is finished in 2010.
Your assumption that they added battleground to save bandwidth/money is wrong. Wow wasn't built for world pvp. I'm not sure I would classify "real pvp" as zergs of people running around killing each other in totally unbalanced teams until a gazillion alliance players showed up and either crashed the server or out matched the horde 3:1, but hey we all have our opinions I guess.
Your closed minded argument that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, retarded or whatever other insult you pick is just childish. If you strip away the superiority complex you have, all you are saying is you don't like wow pvp. The only way you feel better about your opinion is by insulting other people. Nothing you have said shows it is bad or whatever else you claim.
If your beloved world pvp was so awesome there was nothing stopping people from continuing to do it, yet they did. It sure sounds like pvp is a lot more fun when the teams are evenly matched and victory isn't determined by whoever has the most players on their side, but thank god we have you here to tell people they are stupid for enjoying something.
What is wrong with even teams on both sides in objective based pvp areas? Are all counterstrike players retards too?
Your assumption that they added battleground to save bandwidth/money is wrong. Wow wasn't built for world pvp. I'm not sure I would classify "real pvp" as zergs of people running around killing each other in totally unbalanced teams until a gazillion alliance players showed up and either crashed the server or out matched the horde 3:1, but hey we all have our opinions I guess.
Your closed minded argument that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, retarded or whatever other insult you pick is just childish. If you strip away the superiority complex you have, all you are saying is you don't like wow pvp. The only way you feel better about your opinion is by insulting other people. Nothing you have said shows it is bad or whatever else you claim.
If your beloved world pvp was so awesome there was nothing stopping people from continuing to do it, yet they did. It sure sounds like pvp is a lot more fun when the teams are evenly matched and victory isn't determined by whoever has the most players on their side, but thank god we have you here to tell people they are stupid for enjoying something.
What is wrong with even teams on both sides in objective based pvp areas? Are all counterstrike players retards too?
ummm....he said that the PvP system sucked....and so did you...why are you arguing again?
and yes...all CS players are retards...including me
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Your assumption that they added battleground to save bandwidth/money is wrong. Wow wasn't built for world pvp. I'm not sure I would classify "real pvp" as zergs of people running around killing each other in totally unbalanced teams until a gazillion alliance players showed up and either crashed the server or out matched the horde 3:1, but hey we all have our opinions I guess.
Your closed minded argument that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, retarded or whatever other insult you pick is just childish. If you strip away the superiority complex you have, all you are saying is you don't like wow pvp. The only way you feel better about your opinion is by insulting other people. Nothing you have said shows it is bad or whatever else you claim.
If your beloved world pvp was so awesome there was nothing stopping people from continuing to do it, yet they did. It sure sounds like pvp is a lot more fun when the teams are evenly matched and victory isn't determined by whoever has the most players on their side, but thank god we have you here to tell people they are stupid for enjoying something.
What is wrong with even teams on both sides in objective based pvp areas? Are all counterstrike players retards too?
hahaha....
Yeah it wasnt built for world pvp. I cant go into a horde MC instance and stop them from raiding, cause the games so damn fake lol.
Not only don't I like WoW PvP, but it sucks. So yeah, whatever
You think people enjoy PvP? Here is WoW PVP. Lvl 80 Paladin LF DK partner. Form a team, get 1900-2000 rating ez due to game imbalances. Oh IM LEET PVPER LEET look my rating
That is what WoW sounds like. Hows that fun, or real, or anything worthwhile? God they suck
HAHA and yeah, NO ONE WORLD PVPS. Because the way the world pvp system is set up in retarded WoW HAHA. Like, you kill someone at a spawn you want, they just come back and gank u when ur on mobs. Because there is no loss in WoW, you can keep coming back no matter how many times you die. Its for carebears & retards, come on, admit it. If it wasn't, why aren't there any real penalties in World PvP. Then again its not like PvE locations in WoW have any loot tables, at least World Spawns don't. So there's no competition over locations even. The game sucks
And you can't compete over the endgame content because its all hidden away in protecte instances.
Little carebear retard game
And wtf. You act like BGs are balanced. Why doesnt it match the same classes vs each other, every time, then? And then if it were REALLY balanced it would look at the player specs to figure out what a BALANCED match is. No one gives a fuck about balance, and WoW isnt balanced either. Take a damn look at whos at the top of the rating charts one day for APs.
And yeah, Unbalanced PvP was really damn fun on EQ. Getting Manaburned, DTed, etc. I dont care. And when we were raiding planes of power with 50-60 people, 100-200 horde would run in and attack raids. What can you get that is like that in WoW? Some fake ass system, you go to a guy and tell him you want to do a BG. Then you get put in a safe BG.
It's like cattle on a farm or something. Exactly like that. Theres no challenge in WoW, and its not exciting because it's that trivial
I thought the world pvp sucked most of the time and I rather enjoyed the battlegrounds. He prefered the world pvp to what blizzard added to the game and that is fine. Even though I disagree with him I don't feel the need to call him mentally impared for not agreeing with me. Nor do I need to fabricate lies about why blizzard created battlegrounds.
I thought the world pvp sucked most of the time and I rather enjoyed the battlegrounds. He prefered the world pvp to what blizzard added to the game and that is fine. Even though I disagree with him I don't feel the need to call him mentally impared for not agreeing with me. Nor do I need to fabricate lies about why blizzard created battlegrounds.
Did the servers crash or not when people attack Undercity or Orgrimmar?
Anyone who finds WoW PVP fun/exciting is definitely mentally impaired. Play a game with some risk and challenge.
Of course World PvP is going to suck when there is no reason to participate in World PvP. Everything is instanced and World NPCs have no loot. And there's no penalty. Do you even read my posts before you spout random garbage that I've addressed
I thought the world pvp sucked most of the time and I rather enjoyed the battlegrounds. He prefered the world pvp to what blizzard added to the game and that is fine. Even though I disagree with him I don't feel the need to call him mentally impared for not agreeing with me. Nor do I need to fabricate lies about why blizzard created battlegrounds.
Did the servers crash or not when people attack Undercity or Orgrimmar?
Anyone who finds WoW PVP fun/exciting is definitely mentally impaired. Play a game with some risk and challenge.
Of course World PvP is going to suck when there is no reason to participate in World PvP. Everything is instanced and World NPCs have no loot. And there's no penalty. Do you even read my posts before you spout random garbage that I've addressed
All they had to do was let you capture contested territory and cities instead of Battlegrounds.
Besides Ioved it because I got with my guild and friends and we'd roam the world and guard zones and protect newbies from higher level players. We'd make up our own things to do and everyone was out roaming the world killing eachother and it was busy. I miss the nightly city raids and Hillsbrad and just how busy and full of life the world was.
Now however everyones in battlegrounds and and in the new areas and the whole world is dead and it's just boring and such a shame. I hate the level based system along with expansions because they become top heavy and they you have to spend 80 levels grinding just to play with everyone else.
I just wish'd Blizzard would make pre battlegrounds WoW but with Arenas cause they have no effect on the world.
+ CS is great because it's like dueling purely about team tactics and skill.
You can only play 5 vs 5 though otherwise it sucks and never play public servers.
I thought the world pvp sucked most of the time and I rather enjoyed the battlegrounds. He prefered the world pvp to what blizzard added to the game and that is fine. Even though I disagree with him I don't feel the need to call him mentally impared for not agreeing with me. Nor do I need to fabricate lies about why blizzard created battlegrounds.
Did the servers crash or not when people attack Undercity or Orgrimmar?
Anyone who finds WoW PVP fun/exciting is definitely mentally impaired. Play a game with some risk and challenge.
Of course World PvP is going to suck when there is no reason to participate in World PvP. Everything is instanced and World NPCs have no loot. And there's no penalty. Do you even read my posts before you spout random garbage that I've addressed
All they had to do was let you capture contested territory and cities instead of Battlegrounds.
Besides Ioved it because I got with my guild and friends and we'd roam the world and guard zones and protect newbies from higher level players. We'd make up our own things to do and everyone was out roaming the world killing eachother and it was busy. I miss the nightly city raids and Hillsbrad and just how busy and full of life the world was.
Now however everyones in battlegrounds and and in the new areas and the whole world is dead and it's just boring and such a shame. I hate the level based system along with expansions because they become top heavy and they you have to spend 80 levels grinding just to play with everyone else.
I just wish'd Blizzard would make pre battlegrounds WoW but with Arenas cause they have no effect on the world.
This is what I hate about PvP...it never effects anything....except gear or status....as if the world just gets a pass in the carnage. Should have destroyed towns and such....wussy game makers
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Wow wasn't innovative when it came out - although its art was, it didn't try too much different or new. But lots of stuff that they do now absolutely is: battlegrounds, flying mounts, massive zones, etc..
Blindly attacking something just because it's popular is just as bad as following something just because it's popular.
The idea of battlegrounds isn't neccesarily innovative. Dark Age of Camelot's RvR are battlegrounds, and ironically being better.
WTF?
I fucking beat the game, I can say it's fucking trash if I want.
It's art was innovative? I remember people saying the art sucked when I first played. Kiddy graphics, cheap, cartoony, etc.
Massive zones? name a massive WoW zone? You could fit all of WoW on Kunark, real massive, yeah right.
And yeah BGs are real innovative, innovative garbage. As I said, it's just for people who suck and can't handle games with NATURAL & REAL PVP systems. They need edto give the idiots points for fighting each other, and get rid of any incentives to participate in any real PvP the game could have had.
I loved WoW when it first came out. Over the years I have grown a deep hatred for it in my soul. It has caused pain and misery to me and several real life close friends all because of the horrible allure to the dregs of humanity that is reffered to as the WoW community. Divorce, drug addiction, and suicide. I truly believe Blizzard sold thier souls as this game is pure evil incarnate. Ohhh the tales I could tell..........sad :(o
WTF?
I fucking beat the game, I can say it's fucking trash if I want.
It's art was innovative? I remember people saying the art sucked when I first played. Kiddy graphics, cheap, cartoony, etc.
Massive zones? name a massive WoW zone? You could fit all of WoW on Kunark, real massive, yeah right.
And yeah BGs are real innovative, innovative garbage. As I said, it's just for people who suck and can't handle games with NATURAL & REAL PVP systems. They need edto give the idiots points for fighting each other, and get rid of any incentives to participate in any real PvP the game could have had.
natural & real PvP systems in an MMO? Does not exist....so where do you get your info here?
The art was innovative....and I don't think you were there to remember....the people who hated the GFX were the ones who didn't like the "cartoon" nature of it. But it was still innovative in that most PCs could play it and it stuck to the Warcraft "feel"
sorry....
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
WTF?
I fucking beat the game, I can say it's fucking trash if I want.
It's art was innovative? I remember people saying the art sucked when I first played. Kiddy graphics, cheap, cartoony, etc.
Massive zones? name a massive WoW zone? You could fit all of WoW on Kunark, real massive, yeah right.
And yeah BGs are real innovative, innovative garbage. As I said, it's just for people who suck and can't handle games with NATURAL & REAL PVP systems. They need edto give the idiots points for fighting each other, and get rid of any incentives to participate in any real PvP the game could have had.
natural & real PvP systems in an MMO? Does not exist....so where do you get your info here?
The art was innovative....and I don't think you were there to remember....the people who hated the GFX were the ones who didn't like the "cartoon" nature of it. But it was still innovative in that most PCs could play it and it stuck to the Warcraft "feel"
sorry....
real pvp = SZ EQ. You can go into their town and take out level 6's man, hardcore
I played WoW when it came out. I actually was hoping it would be good, but it wasn't. We spent our time farming MC and screwing around in TM because the idiots didn't have contested world spawns that people could fight over.
<< WTF?
I fucking beat the game, I can say it's fucking trash if I want.
It's art was innovative? I remember people saying the art sucked when I first played. Kiddy graphics, cheap, cartoony, etc.
Massive zones? name a massive WoW zone? You could fit all of WoW on Kunark, real massive, yeah right.
And yeah BGs are real innovative, innovative garbage. As I said, it's just for people who suck and can't handle games with NATURAL & REAL PVP systems. They need edto give the idiots points for fighting each other, and get rid of any incentives to participate in any real PvP the game could have had. >>
How many hours played until you felt that you had "beat it"? What makes you say you've "beat it"? You spent that long beating garbage?
Massive zones... all of BC is ONE zone, including Shattrath (no zoning to get from one end to another). Maybe Kunark's bigger, I don't know, I'd be surprised, but is that a 3d zone?
I've cut my teeth playing AC1's DT, Shadowbane and a few others. What game is better than WoW at pvp? Daoc... maybe... Eve, maybe -haven't tried that, what others? BGs and arenas are quick fun and they test skill relatively fairly (maybe that's what you don't like about it?).
There are tons of things that I don't like about WoW but that doesn't make it garbage compared to everything else that's combe before and all that we have now.
WTF?
I fucking beat the game, I can say it's fucking trash if I want.
It's art was innovative? I remember people saying the art sucked when I first played. Kiddy graphics, cheap, cartoony, etc.
Massive zones? name a massive WoW zone? You could fit all of WoW on Kunark, real massive, yeah right.
And yeah BGs are real innovative, innovative garbage. As I said, it's just for people who suck and can't handle games with NATURAL & REAL PVP systems. They need edto give the idiots points for fighting each other, and get rid of any incentives to participate in any real PvP the game could have had.
natural & real PvP systems in an MMO? Does not exist....so where do you get your info here?
The art was innovative....and I don't think you were there to remember....the people who hated the GFX were the ones who didn't like the "cartoon" nature of it. But it was still innovative in that most PCs could play it and it stuck to the Warcraft "feel"
sorry....
real pvp = SZ EQ. You can go into their town and take out level 6's man, hardcore
I played WoW when it came out. I actually was hoping it would be good, but it wasn't. We spent our time farming MC and screwing around in TM because the idiots didn't have contested world spawns that people could fight over.
last I checked....they capped the level you could PvP.....so if you were 20, you couldn't kill a 6. (or am I remembering wrong now)
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
For me it's simply the state of SOE.With the success of Playstation you would hope this company would be doing better than it is and would not be so instrumental in disappointing so many mmo players be it players of POTBS,SWG,EQ2, or vanguard, hell I'd even say the lack of enthusiasm they have garnered for DCO is a failure this company should be doing so much more with the power they had but in ultimately someone up top is slept with and fell in love with Smedley so they allowed him to keep ruining the company.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
20-30 days /played to beat WoW.
Here is how you beat WoW:
You are one of the few guilds that does world firsts. You get sick of farming the same trivial shit over and over that retards cant handle. (Nerf Naxx some more blizzard, cause the tards couldnt handle it)
I dont like it when retarded shit players have the same gear as me. Thats why I enjoy impossible content like EQ. When you make shit trivial like after the naxx nerfs, everyone is the same.
You get sick of their fake ass newbie PvP system, that is another way to win. And their PvP system is like, lets give everyone the same shitty gear and make them spend 2 months getting it.
WoW pvp is just shit man, I don't know how to explain it to someone whos sole MMO experience is their fake ass cartoon carebear newbie instanced POS system.
Like, wtf. Its like you go into special retard zones to fight each other, over and over, and over and over. But a real game like EQ, you are like, "Oh I hear guild Y is trying to raid Rallos Zek", and you put together a team of people to go train the shit out of them. It's a real system, where people fight each other for control of zones, to gain the most power.
WoW effectively eliminated competition, drama, etc. from MMOs, which is why its an epic failure for carebear idiots
Um no on Sullon Zek if you were above level 6 you were fair game in EQ. I remember leveling my neut in highhold keep and level 50-60 goods would take over the zone for a while, killing all the level 20s-30s in it. But you don't get that in pussy MMos like WoW cause they suck and theres no incentive for anything and no reason to PvP.
For me it was Warhammer online.
I really love Warhammer fantasy roleplaying game and WAR is nowhere close, they took some parts from the tabletop and mix it into Wow. Only place in it that remotley have the right feel is Altdorf and that is just because GW said they would pull the license if they didnt remake it before launch.
That game could so easily been the best game out there but instead Mythic made a stanard MMO, not a bad one but nowhere near what a Warhammer MMO deserves.
I played the pen and paper RPG for more than 15 years and they just took out all the horror out of my favorite game and turned it into the tabletop version of Wow. The sad thing is that Mythic can do better and the world is the most suited for a MMO that have ever been made.
<< 20-30 days /played to beat WoW. >>
Swish... right over your head...
Actually for a hardcore player that played a massive amount of hours a week (im sure atleast 10+ hours a day).
Thats possible you could level to 60 in two weeks thats like 2-3 dayz played and thats if your a newb.
Now if he got lucky with dungeon drops at 60 then did nothing but log in for raids at night a person could have 20-30 days played in over a year of playing.
You spred it out if you only log in for scheduled raids.
Of course WoW is different now so you would need twice as many dayz to do that uldar stuff but its still quite easy compared to the shit he went through in that hell hole EQ pvp server.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
It is not really Wows fault that some people prefer it to real life. As for the drug addiction, the worst Wow players I know would never waste a single minute to be high when they could be playing.
But it is hard that some people can't spend some time in the real world, but that can't really be Wows fault, the problem is that their life sucks so badly that they dont want to live it. If they didnt play Wow they would escape reality in books, drugs, TV or something else instead.
I know people who have the problem but they don't want my help to get out of it. But blaming the game is wrong, the problem is the things that makes them want to forget about life.
Wow is not evil, the problem is that some people can't stand their own life, and it is sad but the only thing you can do is try to be a friend and not giving up on them.
And this is in the wrong thread BTW.
I'll quit playing MMOs if it ever gets that easy for me....
(hint to all morons who need showers/jobs/food/love interests)
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Definitely a toss-up between Vanguard and Darkfall. I really wanted to like both of those games, but it wasn't meant to be...
Actually, now that I think of it, I tried Vanguard a second time. I had no interest doing that with Darkfall. So I guess if I had to choose between the two, I'd say Darkfall.
I'll quit playing MMOs if it ever gets that easy for me....
(hint to all morons who need showers/jobs/food/love interests)
people that Enjoy hardcore MMO play arent losers man.
I have kids and a wife and I still found time to play Eve for 30-40 hours a week and still take out the wife and play with the kids at the park and do shit like BBQs in the back yard.
Just a normal incredibly organized guy that doesnt mind sacrificing 2-3 hours sleep a night for a good MMO ( I would Normally get 4+ hours of sleep instead of 7).
MY wife never complained, i;ve been happily married for a long time now.
So cut the wothless basement dweler shit out its not our fault that you guys cant find time to play MMOs more then 3 hours a week.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom