One of the things that bothered me most about EVE is that it has no immersion to it. Some fanboi's can whine all they want and say they don't want full body av's but the fact of the matter is if the game wants to be realistic it has to have full body av's. The laws of physics dictate that the human body cannot survive in zero-g for a prolonged amount of time. Some argue that since they are in a pod and hooked up to neural lines, etc. that it's possible. Well hate to burst your pod but you're wrong, the pod is only for the support of the pilot's vital needs and control of the ship, it had no artificial gravity field for one thing so the laws of physics still apply. Not to mention the flight mechanics of the ships in EVE don't even use proper trajectory that would be needed to fly in space. You can't just strap a rocket to the back-end and aim the nose for wherever. If CCP doesn't eventually add the features needed then EVE just stays in the same category as WoW, a cartoonish unrealistic mmo.
It was mentioned in the Eve novel that larger ships and stations do have artificial gravity.
They obviously don't because in order to create artificial gravity the ship has to have a rotational spin.
...
what?
you're ok with the warp drive, and the stations, and the shields and the drones and the wormholes and the webbers, but not AG! oh no! thats a step too far and everyone *knows* that you need to spin to have gravity.
seriously wtf dude. suspension of disbelief, learn it, love it.
They obviously don't because in order to create artificial gravity the ship has to have a rotational spin.
How did you determine that the technology for artificial gravity will not exist 20,000 years from now? You do know that this is a science fiction game, right?
According to Eve Lore, yes, they have the capability to create artificial gravity. And no, rotating something is not necessary to generate gravity. If the Earth stopped rotating right now, there would still be gravity here. All that is required to create gravity is mass. Rotation has nothing to do with it.
The fact is as I already stated humans CAN'T live long periods in zero G that is why astronauts are rotated every few months on the space station. And like I said to the other poster, ships in EVE don't have artificial gravity because they don't have a rotational spin to even create artificial gravity.
Well, according to CCP the novel is canon. And accoring to the novel, yes, they can generate artificial gravity without (*gasp!*) rotation of any kind. You are wrong. Thuh end.
One of the things that bothered me most about EVE is that it has no immersion to it. Some fanboi's can whine all they want and say they don't want full body av's but the fact of the matter is if the game wants to be realistic it has to have full body av's. The laws of physics dictate that the human body cannot survive in zero-g for a prolonged amount of time. Some argue that since they are in a pod and hooked up to neural lines, etc. that it's possible. Well hate to burst your pod but you're wrong, the pod is only for the support of the pilot's vital needs and control of the ship, it had no artificial gravity field for one thing so the laws of physics still apply. Not to mention the flight mechanics of the ships in EVE don't even use proper trajectory that would be needed to fly in space. You can't just strap a rocket to the back-end and aim the nose for wherever. If CCP doesn't eventually add the features needed then EVE just stays in the same category as WoW, a cartoonish unrealistic mmo.
It was mentioned in the Eve novel that larger ships and stations do have artificial gravity.
They obviously don't because in order to create artificial gravity the ship has to have a rotational spin.
...
what?
you're ok with the warp drive, and the stations, and the shields and the drones and the wormholes and the webbers, but not AG! oh no! thats a step too far and everyone *knows* that you need to spin to have gravity.
seriously wtf dude. suspension of disbelief, learn it, love it.
Quoting someone else to prove your own point without even stating any arguement you obviously didn't read before you posted I see. CCP obviously made efforts to show technology fiction for those things you mentioned such as shields and drones and warp drive, all of which a player can read up on in and out of game. There isn;t a lack of info on their fictional tech which is why I don't have a problem with it but as far as AG goes (since typing it out must be hard work for you), CCP only makes a side comment that oh yes bigger ships have it...lame, weak and part of the appeal to sci-fi for most fans is the depth of detail in the fiction not "Hey look this toilet paper roll is a laser gun because I say so!"...
They obviously don't because in order to create artificial gravity the ship has to have a rotational spin. How did you determine that the technology for artificial gravity will not exist 20,000 years from now? You do know that this is a science fiction game, right? According to Eve Lore, yes, they have the capability to create artificial gravity. And no, rotating something is not necessary to generate gravity. If the Earth stopped rotating right now, there would still be gravity here. All that is required to created gravity is mass. Rotation has nothing to do with it.
The fact is as I already stated humans CAN'T live long periods in zero G that is why astronauts are rotated every few months on the space station. And like I said to the other poster, ships in EVE don't have artificial gravity because they don't have a rotational spin to even create articficial gravity. Well, according to CCP the novel is canon. And accoring to the novel, yes, they can generate artificial gravity without (*gasp!*) rotation of any kind. You are wrong. Thuh end.
I know EVE is sci-fi, don't resort to using belittling comments to try to prove your point.
Though I wish I could live in an imaginery world like some and make up false facts expecting others to just swallow it without reason. You're wrong about gravity and you need to do a bit more reading before trying to flame other's posts;
"There is a direct relationship between gravitational acceleration and the downwards weight force experienced by objects on Earth (see Conversion between weight and mass). However, other factors such as the ROTATION of the Earth also contribute to the net acceleration and are usually considered part of Earth's gravity."
As far as the EVE novel canon goes, there is no link that I could find to this reference you speak of so please provide references when you try to argue a debate, thanks.
Btw, here is a non-wiki reference in case some don't trust wiki;
"Centrifugal force results from the earth's rotation; without gravity, centrifugal force could cause objects to fly into space."
Your wikipedia quote disproves your own implicit claim that rotation is required to generate gravity. So what was the point in posting it?
As far as the EVE novel canon goes, there is no link that I could find to this reference you speak of
The reference is DEV comments on the Eve forums.
so please provide references when you try to argue a debate, thanks.
I missed the reference you were using in your claim that Eve has no artificial gravity. Can you please re-post it? Thanks.
Btw, here is a non-wiki reference in case some don't trust wiki;
"Centrifugal force results from the earth's rotation; without gravity, centrifugal force could cause objects to fly into space."
That has nothing to do with your claim. That statement is in reference to the absence of gravity when something is spinning. Your claim was that spinning is required to generate gravity.
grav·i·ty (gr?v'?-t?)
n.
1. Physics
1. The natural force of attraction exerted by a celestial body, such as Earth, upon objects at or near its surface, tending to draw them toward the center of the body.
2. The natural force of attraction between any two massive bodies, which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
I missed the part of the definition that involves spinning or rotation.
Gravity is about mass...thats how it is generated. Centrifugal forces are used to simulate gravity, but that is not how gravity is actually generated. Even in real life.
Your wikipedia quote disproves your own implicit claim that rotation is required to generate gravity. So what was the point in posting it?
As far as the EVE novel canon goes, there is no link that I could find to this reference you speak of The reference is DEV comments on the Eve forums.
so please provide references when you try to argue a debate, thanks. I missed the reference you were using in your claim that Eve has no artificial gravity. Can you please re-post it? Thanks.
Btw, here is a non-wiki reference in case some don't trust wiki; "Centrifugal force results from the earth's rotation; without gravity, centrifugal force could cause objects to fly into space." That has nothing to do with your claim. That statement is in reference to the absence of gravity when something is spinning. Your claim was that spinning is required to generate gravity.
grav·i·ty (gr?v'?-t?)
n. 1. Physics
1. The natural force of attraction exerted by a celestial body, such as Earth, upon objects at or near its surface, tending to draw them toward the center of the body.
2. The natural force of attraction between any two massive bodies, which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gravity I missed the part of the definition that involves spinning or rotation. Gravity is about mass...thats how it is generated. Centrifugal forces are used to simulate gravity, but that is not how gravity is actually generated. Even in real life.
How the heck do you figure the wiki disproves my own claim??? "..the ROTATION of the Earth also CONTRIBUTE to the net acceleration and are usually considered PART of Earth's gravity."
If you have a dev reference, make a link, not a blind claim and expect others to just swallow it.
I don't need to post a link that EVE doesnt have artificial gravity because I already pointed out what is required to create it and if that technique or one replacing ir isnt explained in the EVE lore it obviously isnt implemented, it's called common sense. we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place if EVE did have it, don't be dense.
The centrifugal force comment was to show the relation between rotation and gravity, without one or the other it would be disastrous.
Your nice definition of gravity lacks one thing, it doesnt even explain how gravity is generated, lol. Here is yet another link to show how artificial gravity is being experimented in the real world so far;
"Their experiment involves a ring of superconducting material ROTATING up to 6 500 times a minute. Superconductors are special materials that lose all electrical resistance at a certain temperature. Spinning superconductors produce a weak magnetic field, the so-called London moment. The new experiment tests a conjecture that explains the difference between high-precision mass measurements of Cooper-pairs (the current carriers in superconductors) and their prediction via quantum theory. They have discovered that this anomaly could be explained by the appearance of a gravitomagnetic field in the spinning superconductor (This effect has been named the Gravitomagnetic London Moment by analogy with its magnetic counterpart)."
I apologize to the OP. I originaly replied to the question of the thread and had no idea that others would argue my reply to the OP, not them, thus derailing the thread. I'm not rescending my arguement but if anyone wants to start their own thread about the topic feel free to and I will reply there. I didn't argue the point out of spite but for the point itself and none of it was taken personaly.
Again, sorry for contributing with the others that derailed the topic of the thread.
Originally posted by Czanrei I love how some posters just spout out rude comments because they can't think of anything intelligent to say.
Rude or not, after reading your other posts in the thread I can see you didn't get the hint that you only make a fool of yourself and we know the answer of my question..
I apologize to the OP. I originaly replied to the question of the thread and had no idea that others would argue my reply to the OP, not them, thus derailing the thread. I'm not rescending my arguement but if anyone wants to start their own thread about the topic feel free to and I will reply there. I didn't argue the point out of spite but for the point itself and none of it was taken personaly. Again, sorry for contributing with the others that derailed the topic of the thread.
Well since I am the OP of this thread I dont care about your apology. I agree with everything everyone had to say to you in response to your post.
"One of the things that bothered me most about EVE is that it has no immersion to it. Some fanboi's can whine all they want and say they don't want full body av's but the fact of the matter is if the game wants to be realistic it has to have full body av's. The laws of physics dictate that the human body cannot survive in zero-g for a prolonged amount of time. Some argue that since they are in a pod and hooked up to neural lines, etc. that it's possible. Well hate to burst your pod but you're wrong, the pod is only for the support of the pilot's vital needs and control of the ship, it had no artificial gravity field for one thing so the laws of physics still apply.
Not to mention the flight mechanics of the ships in EVE don't even use proper trajectory that would be needed to fly in space. You can't just strap a rocket to the back-end and aim the nose for wherever. If CCP doesn't eventually add the features needed then EVE just stays in the same category as WoW, a cartoonish unrealistic mmo."
You are simply complaining for the sake of complaining. You talk about immersion. Tell me what game you play that you feel totally immersed in that you forget about the outside world. Then you go on to complain about the physics not being realiztic enough. Yeah like I said, you are complaining just for the sake of complaining and / or trolling. The only person dereailing my thread is you. I never responded to you before because everyone else already said everything to you.
I apologize to the OP. I originaly replied to the question of the thread and had no idea that others would argue my reply to the OP, not them, thus derailing the thread. I'm not rescending my arguement but if anyone wants to start their own thread about the topic feel free to and I will reply there. I didn't argue the point out of spite but for the point itself and none of it was taken personaly. Again, sorry for contributing with the others that derailed the topic of the thread.
Well since I am the OP of this thread I dont care about your apology. I agree with everything everyone had to say to you in response to your post.
"One of the things that bothered me most about EVE is that it has no immersion to it. Some fanboi's can whine all they want and say they don't want full body av's but the fact of the matter is if the game wants to be realistic it has to have full body av's. The laws of physics dictate that the human body cannot survive in zero-g for a prolonged amount of time. Some argue that since they are in a pod and hooked up to neural lines, etc. that it's possible. Well hate to burst your pod but you're wrong, the pod is only for the support of the pilot's vital needs and control of the ship, it had no artificial gravity field for one thing so the laws of physics still apply.
Not to mention the flight mechanics of the ships in EVE don't even use proper trajectory that would be needed to fly in space. You can't just strap a rocket to the back-end and aim the nose for wherever. If CCP doesn't eventually add the features needed then EVE just stays in the same category as WoW, a cartoonish unrealistic mmo."
You are simply complaining for the sake of complaining. You talk about immersion. Tell me what game you play that you feel totally immersed in that you forget about the outside world. Then you go on to complain about the physics not being realiztic enough. Yeah like I said, you are complaining just for the sake of complaining and / or trolling. The only person dereailing my thread is you. I never responded to you before because everyone else already said everything to you.
How the heck do you figure the wiki disproves my own claim???
I already told you how. Read my previous response.
I don't need to post a link that EVE doesnt have artificial gravity
Take some of your own advice:
make a link, not a blind claim and expect others to just swallow it.
uh huh.
The centrifugal force comment was to show the relation between rotation and gravity, without one or the other it would be disastrous.
Why?
Spinning is not required for gravity. At all. No, it would not be "disastrous". Your assertion is retarded.
Your nice definition of gravity lacks one thing, it doesnt even explain how gravity is generated
Yes it does. Please pay attention:
grav·i·ty (gr?v'?-t?)
n.
2. The natural force of attraction between any two massive bodies
I'm not sure how I can make the definition any simpler. Gravity is generated by mass. Not by motion. Motion can be used to simulate gravity, but it is not gravity.
Getting back to my original point: I think it is unreasonable of you to be so demanding of "realism" from CCP when you dont even seem to understand how gravity works in real life anyway. Eve is a game, and is not intended to perfectly simulate real life.
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It was mentioned in the Eve novel that larger ships and stations do have artificial gravity.
They obviously don't because in order to create artificial gravity the ship has to have a rotational spin.
...
what?
you're ok with the warp drive, and the stations, and the shields and the drones and the wormholes and the webbers, but not AG! oh no! thats a step too far and everyone *knows* that you need to spin to have gravity.
seriously wtf dude. suspension of disbelief, learn it, love it.
They obviously don't because in order to create artificial gravity the ship has to have a rotational spin.
How did you determine that the technology for artificial gravity will not exist 20,000 years from now? You do know that this is a science fiction game, right?
According to Eve Lore, yes, they have the capability to create artificial gravity. And no, rotating something is not necessary to generate gravity. If the Earth stopped rotating right now, there would still be gravity here. All that is required to create gravity is mass. Rotation has nothing to do with it.
The fact is as I already stated humans CAN'T live long periods in zero G that is why astronauts are rotated every few months on the space station. And like I said to the other poster, ships in EVE don't have artificial gravity because they don't have a rotational spin to even create artificial gravity.
Well, according to CCP the novel is canon. And accoring to the novel, yes, they can generate artificial gravity without (*gasp!*) rotation of any kind. You are wrong. Thuh end.
It was mentioned in the Eve novel that larger ships and stations do have artificial gravity.
They obviously don't because in order to create artificial gravity the ship has to have a rotational spin.
...
what?
you're ok with the warp drive, and the stations, and the shields and the drones and the wormholes and the webbers, but not AG! oh no! thats a step too far and everyone *knows* that you need to spin to have gravity.
seriously wtf dude. suspension of disbelief, learn it, love it.
Quoting someone else to prove your own point without even stating any arguement you obviously didn't read before you posted I see. CCP obviously made efforts to show technology fiction for those things you mentioned such as shields and drones and warp drive, all of which a player can read up on in and out of game. There isn;t a lack of info on their fictional tech which is why I don't have a problem with it but as far as AG goes (since typing it out must be hard work for you), CCP only makes a side comment that oh yes bigger ships have it...lame, weak and part of the appeal to sci-fi for most fans is the depth of detail in the fiction not "Hey look this toilet paper roll is a laser gun because I say so!"...
I know EVE is sci-fi, don't resort to using belittling comments to try to prove your point.
Though I wish I could live in an imaginery world like some and make up false facts expecting others to just swallow it without reason. You're wrong about gravity and you need to do a bit more reading before trying to flame other's posts;
"There is a direct relationship between gravitational acceleration and the downwards weight force experienced by objects on Earth (see Conversion between weight and mass). However, other factors such as the ROTATION of the Earth also contribute to the net acceleration and are usually considered part of Earth's gravity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_gravity
As far as the EVE novel canon goes, there is no link that I could find to this reference you speak of so please provide references when you try to argue a debate, thanks.
Btw, here is a non-wiki reference in case some don't trust wiki;
"Centrifugal force results from the earth's rotation; without gravity, centrifugal force could cause objects to fly into space."
http://science.jrank.org/pages/2222/Earth-s-Rotation.html
Your wikipedia quote disproves your own implicit claim that rotation is required to generate gravity. So what was the point in posting it?
As far as the EVE novel canon goes, there is no link that I could find to this reference you speak of
The reference is DEV comments on the Eve forums.
so please provide references when you try to argue a debate, thanks.
I missed the reference you were using in your claim that Eve has no artificial gravity. Can you please re-post it? Thanks.
Btw, here is a non-wiki reference in case some don't trust wiki;
"Centrifugal force results from the earth's rotation; without gravity, centrifugal force could cause objects to fly into space."
That has nothing to do with your claim. That statement is in reference to the absence of gravity when something is spinning. Your claim was that spinning is required to generate gravity.
grav·i·ty (gr?v'?-t?)
n.
1. Physics
1. The natural force of attraction exerted by a celestial body, such as Earth, upon objects at or near its surface, tending to draw them toward the center of the body.
2. The natural force of attraction between any two massive bodies, which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gravity
I missed the part of the definition that involves spinning or rotation.
Gravity is about mass...thats how it is generated. Centrifugal forces are used to simulate gravity, but that is not how gravity is actually generated. Even in real life.
How the heck do you figure the wiki disproves my own claim??? "..the ROTATION of the Earth also CONTRIBUTE to the net acceleration and are usually considered PART of Earth's gravity."
Just so you know, contribute means "5. contribute to, to be an important factor in; help to cause" (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/contribute) not hinder the claim fyi.
If you have a dev reference, make a link, not a blind claim and expect others to just swallow it.
I don't need to post a link that EVE doesnt have artificial gravity because I already pointed out what is required to create it and if that technique or one replacing ir isnt explained in the EVE lore it obviously isnt implemented, it's called common sense. we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place if EVE did have it, don't be dense.
The centrifugal force comment was to show the relation between rotation and gravity, without one or the other it would be disastrous.
Your nice definition of gravity lacks one thing, it doesnt even explain how gravity is generated, lol. Here is yet another link to show how artificial gravity is being experimented in the real world so far;
"Their experiment involves a ring of superconducting material ROTATING up to 6 500 times a minute. Superconductors are special materials that lose all electrical resistance at a certain temperature. Spinning superconductors produce a weak magnetic field, the so-called London moment. The new experiment tests a conjecture that explains the difference between high-precision mass measurements of Cooper-pairs (the current carriers in superconductors) and their prediction via quantum theory. They have discovered that this anomaly could be explained by the appearance of a gravitomagnetic field in the spinning superconductor (This effect has been named the Gravitomagnetic London Moment by analogy with its magnetic counterpart)."
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/GSP/SEM0L6OVGJE_0.html
You can post all the nice color text in the world but facts are facts in black & white.
I apologize to the OP. I originaly replied to the question of the thread and had no idea that others would argue my reply to the OP, not them, thus derailing the thread. I'm not rescending my arguement but if anyone wants to start their own thread about the topic feel free to and I will reply there. I didn't argue the point out of spite but for the point itself and none of it was taken personaly.
Again, sorry for contributing with the others that derailed the topic of the thread.
Rude or not, after reading your other posts in the thread I can see you didn't get the hint that you only make a fool of yourself and we know the answer of my question..
Well since I am the OP of this thread I dont care about your apology. I agree with everything everyone had to say to you in response to your post.
"One of the things that bothered me most about EVE is that it has no immersion to it. Some fanboi's can whine all they want and say they don't want full body av's but the fact of the matter is if the game wants to be realistic it has to have full body av's. The laws of physics dictate that the human body cannot survive in zero-g for a prolonged amount of time. Some argue that since they are in a pod and hooked up to neural lines, etc. that it's possible. Well hate to burst your pod but you're wrong, the pod is only for the support of the pilot's vital needs and control of the ship, it had no artificial gravity field for one thing so the laws of physics still apply.
Not to mention the flight mechanics of the ships in EVE don't even use proper trajectory that would be needed to fly in space. You can't just strap a rocket to the back-end and aim the nose for wherever. If CCP doesn't eventually add the features needed then EVE just stays in the same category as WoW, a cartoonish unrealistic mmo."
You are simply complaining for the sake of complaining. You talk about immersion. Tell me what game you play that you feel totally immersed in that you forget about the outside world. Then you go on to complain about the physics not being realiztic enough. Yeah like I said, you are complaining just for the sake of complaining and / or trolling. The only person dereailing my thread is you. I never responded to you before because everyone else already said everything to you.
Well since I am the OP of this thread I dont care about your apology. I agree with everything everyone had to say to you in response to your post.
"One of the things that bothered me most about EVE is that it has no immersion to it. Some fanboi's can whine all they want and say they don't want full body av's but the fact of the matter is if the game wants to be realistic it has to have full body av's. The laws of physics dictate that the human body cannot survive in zero-g for a prolonged amount of time. Some argue that since they are in a pod and hooked up to neural lines, etc. that it's possible. Well hate to burst your pod but you're wrong, the pod is only for the support of the pilot's vital needs and control of the ship, it had no artificial gravity field for one thing so the laws of physics still apply.
Not to mention the flight mechanics of the ships in EVE don't even use proper trajectory that would be needed to fly in space. You can't just strap a rocket to the back-end and aim the nose for wherever. If CCP doesn't eventually add the features needed then EVE just stays in the same category as WoW, a cartoonish unrealistic mmo."
You are simply complaining for the sake of complaining. You talk about immersion. Tell me what game you play that you feel totally immersed in that you forget about the outside world. Then you go on to complain about the physics not being realiztic enough. Yeah like I said, you are complaining just for the sake of complaining and / or trolling. The only person dereailing my thread is you. I never responded to you before because everyone else already said everything to you.
I lol
How the heck do you figure the wiki disproves my own claim???
I already told you how. Read my previous response.
I don't need to post a link that EVE doesnt have artificial gravity
Take some of your own advice:
make a link, not a blind claim and expect others to just swallow it.
uh huh.
The centrifugal force comment was to show the relation between rotation and gravity, without one or the other it would be disastrous.
Why?
Spinning is not required for gravity. At all. No, it would not be "disastrous". Your assertion is retarded.
Your nice definition of gravity lacks one thing, it doesnt even explain how gravity is generated
Yes it does. Please pay attention:
grav·i·ty (gr?v'?-t?)
n.
2. The natural force of attraction between any two massive bodies
I'm not sure how I can make the definition any simpler. Gravity is generated by mass. Not by motion. Motion can be used to simulate gravity, but it is not gravity.
Getting back to my original point: I think it is unreasonable of you to be so demanding of "realism" from CCP when you dont even seem to understand how gravity works in real life anyway. Eve is a game, and is not intended to perfectly simulate real life.