I have no objection of censoring internet content as long as it's done within reason.. I have no objection that we do this with music bought at stores, movies you go to see or locations you aren't allowed to go due to age.. It's just the way it is and as a parent I do NOT want my daughter using the interent to circumvent societies rules of censoring.. It's about time people start holding internet information accountable, especially to MINORS.. PERIOD..
I agree that certain materials should be monitored, but censorship does nothing but teaching people how to get around it. I agree there are things a children shouldn't see but does that fall on the shoulders of populace or should it be kept "in house" You can't protect the children from everything there is a vast and ever changing world out there from the internet or the physical world influences we don't want them to experience creep in. The answer is not censorship its education. If we educate children about the consequence of actions we don't want them to make. And lets not forget children will not be children forever and are prone to human error too. So would you rather have to explain something they saw on the internet , or have them go out into the world and learn for themselves. To me the answer is pretty clear
There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
I have no objection of censoring internet content as long as it's done within reason.. I have no objection that we do this with music bought at stores, movies you go to see or locations you aren't allowed to go due to age.. It's just the way it is and as a parent I do NOT want my daughter using the interent to circumvent societies rules of censoring.. It's about time people start holding internet information accountable, especially to MINORS.. PERIOD..
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I have no objection of censoring internet content as long as it's done within reason.. I have no objection that we do this with music bought at stores, movies you go to see or locations you aren't allowed to go due to age.. It's just the way it is and as a parent I do NOT want my daughter using the interent to circumvent societies rules of censoring.. It's about time people start holding internet information accountable, especially to MINORS.. PERIOD..
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
I have no objection of censoring internet content as long as it's done within reason.. I have no objection that we do this with music bought at stores, movies you go to see or locations you aren't allowed to go due to age.. It's just the way it is and as a parent I do NOT want my daughter using the interent to circumvent societies rules of censoring.. It's about time people start holding internet information accountable, especially to MINORS.. PERIOD..
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
Your logic fails.. Just because a small number of slip thru the cracks does not excuse or justify removing our standards.. If we use your logic we should abolish speed limits because people are going to speed anyways.. So why bother, right? Your logic also fails as I have discussed before.. It's NOT 100% parents responsibility to keep their children safe from harm.. As I said, Bussinesses have a duty to as well, as so do our school systems, and our govt.. Actually, it's strong parenting that is standing up and asking the govt's to take action.. I can't stop bussinesses from exposing my child to adult content alone, hence LAWS.. Without laws and rulse we end up living in a society in chaos..
I have no objection of censoring internet content as long as it's done within reason.. I have no objection that we do this with music bought at stores, movies you go to see or locations you aren't allowed to go due to age.. It's just the way it is and as a parent I do NOT want my daughter using the interent to circumvent societies rules of censoring.. It's about time people start holding internet information accountable, especially to MINORS.. PERIOD..
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
Your logic fails.. Just because a small number of slip thru the cracks does not excuse or justify removing our standards.. If we use your logic we should abolish speed limits because people are going to speed anyways.. So why bother, right? Your logic also fails as I have discussed before.. It's NOT 100% parents responsibility to keep their children safe from harm.. As I said, Bussinesses have a duty to as well, as so do our school systems, and our govt.. Actually, it's strong parenting that is standing up and asking the govt's to take action.. I can't stop bussinesses from exposing my child to adult content alone, hence LAWS.. Without laws and rulse we end up living in a society in chaos..
you logic is non-existent...if you want business to take responsibility send them your children and wipe your hands clean. I agree that businesses should rate games in accordance with the law but to say that they should be responsible for children seeing or doing bad things......Parents are the biggest influence a child has! If they are getting bad influences and making bad choices walk into your bathroom and look in the mirror. And where the parents leave off the schools need to pick up not some media ran company that's sole purpose is to make money as quickly and efficiently as possible. Take responsibility for what is yourself and you won't have to worry about what your children are looking at because you can trust they learned the right lessons that they won't let outside influences change those morals.... The real world corrupts more than any video game ever could.
There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
Adult rated MMOs may become a thing of the past for the average Aussie gamer if the Australian Governments internet filter goes ahead. It looks like the purchase of games online and the playing of online games will be included in the illegal and blocked sites. There is already some debate if WoW or Aion would be on that list, so you can bet AoC, MO and DFO would be. Some news articles here and here and a google news overview here.
Welcome to the club , here in Turkey we have like approx . 2000 sites shut down including Youtube .
So funny & paradox turkish ppl are mostly complaining bout porn on web , while at the same time theyre in the top ten of visitng those sites . So you guys are good
I have no objection of censoring internet content as long as it's done within reason.. I have no objection that we do this with music bought at stores, movies you go to see or locations you aren't allowed to go due to age.. It's just the way it is and as a parent I do NOT want my daughter using the interent to circumvent societies rules of censoring.. It's about time people start holding internet information accountable, especially to MINORS.. PERIOD..
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
Your logic fails.. Just because a small number of slip thru the cracks does not excuse or justify removing our standards.. If we use your logic we should abolish speed limits because people are going to speed anyways.. So why bother, right? Your logic also fails as I have discussed before.. It's NOT 100% parents responsibility to keep their children safe from harm.. As I said, Bussinesses have a duty to as well, as so do our school systems, and our govt.. Actually, it's strong parenting that is standing up and asking the govt's to take action.. I can't stop bussinesses from exposing my child to adult content alone, hence LAWS.. Without laws and rulse we end up living in a society in chaos..
Hey smart one. The Internet was meant for more mature people, if your going to ruin the ENTIRE australian internet because of the 1 crowd, then you are idiots. Put some parental controls on the computer, block them from any adulted sites. There, solved.
Really all kids like to be rebels, and they WILL find a workaround, or do even worse stuff. Ex. Kid goes on the internet for entertainment, wants to see a guy light himself on fire. Well, its censored out, so he can't. Then he thinks, hey, it tells me the instructions, why not i try it myself? Really, your just damaging everything more. Monitor your kid, put some parental controls, educate her. Solved.
I have no objection of censoring internet content as long as it's done within reason.. I have no objection that we do this with music bought at stores, movies you go to see or locations you aren't allowed to go due to age.. It's just the way it is and as a parent I do NOT want my daughter using the interent to circumvent societies rules of censoring.. It's about time people start holding internet information accountable, especially to MINORS.. PERIOD..
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
Your logic fails.. Just because a small number of slip thru the cracks does not excuse or justify removing our standards.. If we use your logic we should abolish speed limits because people are going to speed anyways.. So why bother, right? Your logic also fails as I have discussed before.. It's NOT 100% parents responsibility to keep their children safe from harm.. As I said, Bussinesses have a duty to as well, as so do our school systems, and our govt.. Actually, it's strong parenting that is standing up and asking the govt's to take action.. I can't stop bussinesses from exposing my child to adult content alone, hence LAWS.. Without laws and rulse we end up living in a society in chaos..
you logic is non-existent...if you want business to take responsibility send them your children and wipe your hands clean. I agree that businesses should rate games in accordance with the law but to say that they should be responsible for children seeing or doing bad things......Parents are the biggest influence a child has! If they are getting bad influences and making bad choices walk into your bathroom and look in the mirror. And where the parents leave off the schools need to pick up not some media ran company that's sole purpose is to make money as quickly and efficiently as possible. Take responsibility for what is yourself and you won't have to worry about what your children are looking at because you can trust they learned the right lessons that they won't let outside influences change those morals.... The real world corrupts more than any video game ever could.
Ahhh so what you are saying is that it's the parents fault if the child buys liquor from the store on the corner... Great logic there..
Just to clarify, when I say adult, I am not talking about R rated or porn, I am talking about anything above 15+. Default Australian internet will be censored for anything deemed innapropriate for a 15 year old.
I understand where you are coming from Rydeson, and I am in NO WAY upset at people trying to protect children, all I ask is that you read the articles and research it a little. The filter will cost millions, it has already cost taxpayers millions. Give the money to our police force where it may actually do some good. It won't stop torrents, it won't stop p2p, or VPN's or proxies, all it does is cost, and slow the net down.
I'm old enough to vote, drive, drink, but not old enough to decide what games I can play? What rubbish.
I feel bad for you people. Damn! The Austrailian government might as well declare that they are a dictatorship if they are going to enact laws like this one.
I believe its completely the parents responsibily to not only keep a check on their children but also to teach them that they should'nt visit R rated sites and they should also give them a valid reason. If parents are more open with their child these problems wouldn't occur.
It's not the goverments, or business job to supervise your kids. It's your job. If your kid is in a liquor store trying to buy alcohol. You failed somewhere along the way as a parent. Pushing the task of educating YOUR child about the rights, and wrongs of the world. Is not their job, it's yours as a parent. Anyone that expects the goverment to raise their children, are just plain lazy. I absolutely detest parents, that think it's someone elses job to teach their kids right from wrong.
I've never seen a liquor store owner pull a kid off street, and say "Hey kid try this." Children learn bad habits from their parents and the people their PARENTS allow to be around them.
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And by the way, its NOT the buissinesses job to choose what they sell to minors, or what they put out for them. Its their job to make MONEY at ANY COST. They will sell to children, make smoking look cool, make alchohal seem awesome, make porno's seem like you need to buy them to be awesome. They will do anything for money, and it's the parents job to teach them not to fall for those things, if they get spoon fed the whole way through the government, they will become naive.
Adult rated MMOs may become a thing of the past for the average Aussie gamer if the Australian Governments internet filter goes ahead. It looks like the purchase of games online and the playing of online games will be included in the illegal and blocked sites. There is already some debate if WoW or Aion would be on that list, so you can bet AoC, MO and DFO would be. Some news articles here and here and a google news overview here.
Maybe it time to move and take in some new scenery. I feel bad for you!
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I have no objection of censoring internet content as long as it's done within reason.. I have no objection that we do this with music bought at stores, movies you go to see or locations you aren't allowed to go due to age.. It's just the way it is and as a parent I do NOT want my daughter using the interent to circumvent societies rules of censoring.. It's about time people start holding internet information accountable, especially to MINORS.. PERIOD..
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
Your logic fails.. Just because a small number of slip thru the cracks does not excuse or justify removing our standards.. If we use your logic we should abolish speed limits because people are going to speed anyways.. So why bother, right? Your logic also fails as I have discussed before.. It's NOT 100% parents responsibility to keep their children safe from harm.. As I said, Bussinesses have a duty to as well, as so do our school systems, and our govt.. Actually, it's strong parenting that is standing up and asking the govt's to take action.. I can't stop bussinesses from exposing my child to adult content alone, hence LAWS.. Without laws and rulse we end up living in a society in chaos..
you logic is non-existent...if you want business to take responsibility send them your children and wipe your hands clean. I agree that businesses should rate games in accordance with the law but to say that they should be responsible for children seeing or doing bad things......Parents are the biggest influence a child has! If they are getting bad influences and making bad choices walk into your bathroom and look in the mirror. And where the parents leave off the schools need to pick up not some media ran company that's sole purpose is to make money as quickly and efficiently as possible. Take responsibility for what is yourself and you won't have to worry about what your children are looking at because you can trust they learned the right lessons that they won't let outside influences change those morals.... The real world corrupts more than any video game ever could.
Ahhh so what you are saying is that it's the parents fault if the child buys liquor from the store on the corner... Great logic there..
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yes it is the parents fault the child buy liquor from a store. You should mind your children better.
you are a lazy parent and want someone else to teach your children morals and lessons.
There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
Adult rated MMOs may become a thing of the past for the average Aussie gamer if the Australian Governments internet filter goes ahead. It looks like the purchase of games online and the playing of online games will be included in the illegal and blocked sites. There is already some debate if WoW or Aion would be on that list, so you can bet AoC, MO and DFO would be. Some news articles here and here and a google news overview here.
Wow, that's absolutely ridiculous and I thought here in the States the government goes overbaord on telling you what you can or can't do. Hope this concept doesn't catch on elsewhere.
I feel for ya man. Hopefully someone with a bit of common sense is able to reign this in before it actually goes into effect. There are other ways to handle this besides blocking everyoen from being able to view or access these things. Talk about government overstepping their boundaries....gheesh
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Adult rated MMOs may become a thing of the past for the average Aussie gamer if the Australian Governments internet filter goes ahead. It looks like the purchase of games online and the playing of online games will be included in the illegal and blocked sites. There is already some debate if WoW or Aion would be on that list, so you can bet AoC, MO and DFO would be. Some news articles here and here and a google news overview here.
Wow, that's absolutely ridiculous and I thought here in the States the government goes overbaord on telling you what you can or can't do. Hope this concept doesn't catch on elsewhere.
I feel for ya man. Hopefully someone with a bit of common sense is able to reign this in before it actually goes into effect. There are other ways to handle this besides blocking everyoen from being able to view or access these things. Talk about government overstepping their boundaries....gheesh
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There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
I have no objection of censoring internet content as long as it's done within reason.. I have no objection that we do this with music bought at stores, movies you go to see or locations you aren't allowed to go due to age.. It's just the way it is and as a parent I do NOT want my daughter using the interent to circumvent societies rules of censoring.. It's about time people start holding internet information accountable, especially to MINORS.. PERIOD..
Censoring something and restricting something are two different things. As a fellow parent I can agree on having restrictions but I do not agree with absolute censorship.
I don't need the government telling my daughter or myself what we can or cannot do. I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself and so is my daughter.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I hate it for you guys/gals down-under...It is a government attempt to get the whole country on the net ...and of course they will impose their rules since they own the equipment....i fear it will be a model that the US will use in the future....once you control the equipment and the rules of usage... it can now be regulated....taxed.....banned.....listened too.....monitored.....etc,etc....not too mention that the citizens will have to pay for it reguardless if they want it or not....
I always wanted to go to Sweden and Germany. Hell, if I would have gotten my transfer request to go to Germany I would probably still be in the Army.
Come to think of it...maybe that's a good thing heh
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
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I agree that certain materials should be monitored, but censorship does nothing but teaching people how to get around it. I agree there are things a children shouldn't see but does that fall on the shoulders of populace or should it be kept "in house" You can't protect the children from everything there is a vast and ever changing world out there from the internet or the physical world influences we don't want them to experience creep in. The answer is not censorship its education. If we educate children about the consequence of actions we don't want them to make. And lets not forget children will not be children forever and are prone to human error too. So would you rather have to explain something they saw on the internet , or have them go out into the world and learn for themselves. To me the answer is pretty clear
There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
If they start banning mmo's they would have to ban chat rooms as well.
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
Your logic fails.. Just because a small number of slip thru the cracks does not excuse or justify removing our standards.. If we use your logic we should abolish speed limits because people are going to speed anyways.. So why bother, right? Your logic also fails as I have discussed before.. It's NOT 100% parents responsibility to keep their children safe from harm.. As I said, Bussinesses have a duty to as well, as so do our school systems, and our govt.. Actually, it's strong parenting that is standing up and asking the govt's to take action.. I can't stop bussinesses from exposing my child to adult content alone, hence LAWS.. Without laws and rulse we end up living in a society in chaos..
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
Your logic fails.. Just because a small number of slip thru the cracks does not excuse or justify removing our standards.. If we use your logic we should abolish speed limits because people are going to speed anyways.. So why bother, right? Your logic also fails as I have discussed before.. It's NOT 100% parents responsibility to keep their children safe from harm.. As I said, Bussinesses have a duty to as well, as so do our school systems, and our govt.. Actually, it's strong parenting that is standing up and asking the govt's to take action.. I can't stop bussinesses from exposing my child to adult content alone, hence LAWS.. Without laws and rulse we end up living in a society in chaos..
you logic is non-existent...if you want business to take responsibility send them your children and wipe your hands clean. I agree that businesses should rate games in accordance with the law but to say that they should be responsible for children seeing or doing bad things......Parents are the biggest influence a child has! If they are getting bad influences and making bad choices walk into your bathroom and look in the mirror. And where the parents leave off the schools need to pick up not some media ran company that's sole purpose is to make money as quickly and efficiently as possible. Take responsibility for what is yourself and you won't have to worry about what your children are looking at because you can trust they learned the right lessons that they won't let outside influences change those morals.... The real world corrupts more than any video game ever could.
There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
Welcome to the club , here in Turkey we have like approx . 2000 sites shut down including Youtube .
So funny & paradox turkish ppl are mostly complaining bout porn on web , while at the same time theyre in the top ten of visitng those sites . So you guys are good
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
Your logic fails.. Just because a small number of slip thru the cracks does not excuse or justify removing our standards.. If we use your logic we should abolish speed limits because people are going to speed anyways.. So why bother, right? Your logic also fails as I have discussed before.. It's NOT 100% parents responsibility to keep their children safe from harm.. As I said, Bussinesses have a duty to as well, as so do our school systems, and our govt.. Actually, it's strong parenting that is standing up and asking the govt's to take action.. I can't stop bussinesses from exposing my child to adult content alone, hence LAWS.. Without laws and rulse we end up living in a society in chaos..
Hey smart one. The Internet was meant for more mature people, if your going to ruin the ENTIRE australian internet because of the 1 crowd, then you are idiots. Put some parental controls on the computer, block them from any adulted sites. There, solved.
Really all kids like to be rebels, and they WILL find a workaround, or do even worse stuff. Ex. Kid goes on the internet for entertainment, wants to see a guy light himself on fire. Well, its censored out, so he can't. Then he thinks, hey, it tells me the instructions, why not i try it myself? Really, your just damaging everything more. Monitor your kid, put some parental controls, educate her. Solved.
I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
Your logic fails.. Just because a small number of slip thru the cracks does not excuse or justify removing our standards.. If we use your logic we should abolish speed limits because people are going to speed anyways.. So why bother, right? Your logic also fails as I have discussed before.. It's NOT 100% parents responsibility to keep their children safe from harm.. As I said, Bussinesses have a duty to as well, as so do our school systems, and our govt.. Actually, it's strong parenting that is standing up and asking the govt's to take action.. I can't stop bussinesses from exposing my child to adult content alone, hence LAWS.. Without laws and rulse we end up living in a society in chaos..
you logic is non-existent...if you want business to take responsibility send them your children and wipe your hands clean. I agree that businesses should rate games in accordance with the law but to say that they should be responsible for children seeing or doing bad things......Parents are the biggest influence a child has! If they are getting bad influences and making bad choices walk into your bathroom and look in the mirror. And where the parents leave off the schools need to pick up not some media ran company that's sole purpose is to make money as quickly and efficiently as possible. Take responsibility for what is yourself and you won't have to worry about what your children are looking at because you can trust they learned the right lessons that they won't let outside influences change those morals.... The real world corrupts more than any video game ever could.
Ahhh so what you are saying is that it's the parents fault if the child buys liquor from the store on the corner... Great logic there..
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Just to clarify, when I say adult, I am not talking about R rated or porn, I am talking about anything above 15+. Default Australian internet will be censored for anything deemed innapropriate for a 15 year old.
I understand where you are coming from Rydeson, and I am in NO WAY upset at people trying to protect children, all I ask is that you read the articles and research it a little. The filter will cost millions, it has already cost taxpayers millions. Give the money to our police force where it may actually do some good. It won't stop torrents, it won't stop p2p, or VPN's or proxies, all it does is cost, and slow the net down.
I'm old enough to vote, drive, drink, but not old enough to decide what games I can play? What rubbish.
I feel bad for you people. Damn! The Austrailian government might as well declare that they are a dictatorship if they are going to enact laws like this one.
I believe its completely the parents responsibily to not only keep a check on their children but also to teach them that they should'nt visit R rated sites and they should also give them a valid reason. If parents are more open with their child these problems wouldn't occur.
It's not the goverments, or business job to supervise your kids. It's your job. If your kid is in a liquor store trying to buy alcohol. You failed somewhere along the way as a parent. Pushing the task of educating YOUR child about the rights, and wrongs of the world. Is not their job, it's yours as a parent. Anyone that expects the goverment to raise their children, are just plain lazy. I absolutely detest parents, that think it's someone elses job to teach their kids right from wrong.
I've never seen a liquor store owner pull a kid off street, and say "Hey kid try this." Children learn bad habits from their parents and the people their PARENTS allow to be around them.
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And by the way, its NOT the buissinesses job to choose what they sell to minors, or what they put out for them. Its their job to make MONEY at ANY COST. They will sell to children, make smoking look cool, make alchohal seem awesome, make porno's seem like you need to buy them to be awesome. They will do anything for money, and it's the parents job to teach them not to fall for those things, if they get spoon fed the whole way through the government, they will become naive.
Censor media altogether, bring back the aboriginies, and lets all go to america
Maybe it time to move and take in some new scenery. I feel bad for you!
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I mean no offense to you when I say this, but it is really a parents responsibilty to monitor what their children are doing on the internet. The only thing that I agree with with this whole internet filtering is that they are trying to prevent access to child pornography; that said it seems that the Australian government is getting a little carried away.
Wrong.. To say it's the parents job 100% is incorrect.. Minors aren't allowed to purchase cigs, adult content music, or games, or magazines or go to an R or X rated movie.. It is the business's DUTY to not provide adult material to minors.. Internet businesses should NOT be excluded from the same rules and laws that other businesses endure.. Rather is be online games or other websites.. We as a society, thru our govt must provide a safe and appropriate enviroment for our children.. I as a parent do not want a 7-11 store selling my child a Playboy magazine, and using the internet to circumvent societies standards isn't an excuse..
PS.. becareful what you read too.. as I recall it was talking about downloadable games and content.. If WoW or other games do NOT fullfill the requirements to sell on the shelves, it shouldn't be sold via internet to get around the rules.. As the govt as said, they need to fine tune the problem, such as adding new ratings and whatnots..
I understand you want to keep you children safe and free from negative outside influences, but you can't its impossible the real world is happening all around us and nothing can keep them safe from that. Its like saying we are gonna make a bomb that only kills people over the age of 16......EDUCATION is the key and yes it fall mainly on the shoulders of the parents and to it doesn't is lazy parenting
Your logic fails.. Just because a small number of slip thru the cracks does not excuse or justify removing our standards.. If we use your logic we should abolish speed limits because people are going to speed anyways.. So why bother, right? Your logic also fails as I have discussed before.. It's NOT 100% parents responsibility to keep their children safe from harm.. As I said, Bussinesses have a duty to as well, as so do our school systems, and our govt.. Actually, it's strong parenting that is standing up and asking the govt's to take action.. I can't stop bussinesses from exposing my child to adult content alone, hence LAWS.. Without laws and rulse we end up living in a society in chaos..
you logic is non-existent...if you want business to take responsibility send them your children and wipe your hands clean. I agree that businesses should rate games in accordance with the law but to say that they should be responsible for children seeing or doing bad things......Parents are the biggest influence a child has! If they are getting bad influences and making bad choices walk into your bathroom and look in the mirror. And where the parents leave off the schools need to pick up not some media ran company that's sole purpose is to make money as quickly and efficiently as possible. Take responsibility for what is yourself and you won't have to worry about what your children are looking at because you can trust they learned the right lessons that they won't let outside influences change those morals.... The real world corrupts more than any video game ever could.
Ahhh so what you are saying is that it's the parents fault if the child buys liquor from the store on the corner... Great logic there..
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yes it is the parents fault the child buy liquor from a store. You should mind your children better.
you are a lazy parent and want someone else to teach your children morals and lessons.
There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
Wow, that's absolutely ridiculous and I thought here in the States the government goes overbaord on telling you what you can or can't do. Hope this concept doesn't catch on elsewhere.
I feel for ya man. Hopefully someone with a bit of common sense is able to reign this in before it actually goes into effect. There are other ways to handle this besides blocking everyoen from being able to view or access these things. Talk about government overstepping their boundaries....gheesh
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Wow, that's absolutely ridiculous and I thought here in the States the government goes overbaord on telling you what you can or can't do. Hope this concept doesn't catch on elsewhere.
I feel for ya man. Hopefully someone with a bit of common sense is able to reign this in before it actually goes into effect. There are other ways to handle this besides blocking everyoen from being able to view or access these things. Talk about government overstepping their boundaries....gheesh
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There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
Censoring something and restricting something are two different things. As a fellow parent I can agree on having restrictions but I do not agree with absolute censorship.
I don't need the government telling my daughter or myself what we can or cannot do. I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself and so is my daughter.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I hate it for you guys/gals down-under...It is a government attempt to get the whole country on the net ...and of course they will impose their rules since they own the equipment....i fear it will be a model that the US will use in the future....once you control the equipment and the rules of usage... it can now be regulated....taxed.....banned.....listened too.....monitored.....etc,etc....not too mention that the citizens will have to pay for it reguardless if they want it or not....
I feel for you as a follow gamer from Germany, we also have a pretty nasty censorship.
I'm sooo glad i live in Sweden, we haven't censored anything since the 50's
*moves to Sweden*
There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
Let's all move to Sweden, even if it's pretty cold there.
I always wanted to go to Sweden and Germany. Hell, if I would have gotten my transfer request to go to Germany I would probably still be in the Army.
Come to think of it...maybe that's a good thing heh
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.