For me it's a matter of principle. I cannot in my right mind reward a developer for becoming what I despise, a gold seller. This is how low Cryptic has fallen in my eyes. As for all the money that will be gathered from the RMT, people are deluding themselves when thinking that they will be reinvested in the game. Instead expect them to be invested in:
More items for the cash shop so people are enticed to spend more into it. Tighter security so that no gold farmer but themselves can prosper from the cash shop.
dont use it >.> well ir ather give cryptic a few extra bucks than gold sellers that hurt the game
And how am I going to swallow the fact that they are effectively gold sellers themselves?
By subscribing to the game, I'm partially reward them. I have no intention to do that. Instead I would prefer that all content was made available to everyone paying a subscription. If their management made that an impossibility, I'll move to other MMOs, perhaps with less appealing gameplay, but with ethics under their monetary system that I can stomach.
You're not thinking like a company. This makes zero business sense to invest time and effort into a business model that does not produce maximum returns. The MT store is not for our convienence, it is a way to make money. To think Cryptic is adding this to combat "gold farmers" and help the casual player is laughable at best. They are preying on ignorance.
I guess you could say that any and all companies that operate for a profit are preying on ignorance then. Paying a subscription isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money. Charging for the game box isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money.
Do you think the cable companies charge extra for HBO because it makes it more convenient for their customers? No, they do it to cover the added cost of premium TV shows. Its no different in CO. If we want content above and beyond what would be available from subscription revenue only, then guess what? We are gonna have to pay extra for it.
You'd think that Cryptic just broke the news to the world that Santa Claus isn't real and that companies operate with the intention of making money. Now unless you're privy to well guarded info about what their profit margins are, then whether Cryptic uses MTs, expansions, card games, subscriptions, or robs old ladies is kind of a moot point. What matters is how much of that income is reinvested into the product. The types and sources of their income have little to no effect on that.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
I agree with Irishoak. I too will not be touching this game now as I don't care for this greedy business model. I will support the MMOs that come out with a more reasonable business model so they can prosper. Just as in vehicles, I have never purchased the "deluxe" name brand vehicle for double the price of the off brand model that offers me the same thing.
you dont have to use it to get the same items. how is it greedy again?
I have no idea why everyone throwing a god damn fit
over it. now if the Mt was like an item mall in a ftp mmo then that would be a diffreant story. but its not all its doing is giving people the option to spend the cash instead of the time to get certain items.
If you cant understand this then I have no idea how to get this though your guyses heads
Trust me, we feel the same thing about your lack of understanding. We know we don't have to use it, and we're not going to, period. We're not buying the game. Only difference between the two of us is, I have accepted you are not able to grasp the concepts being pushed forth here and you seem fixtaed on the fact we think it's mandatory, by law, for us to spend money there. The rage is touching on your part, it shows how deeply you care for us, aww. The itmes in the store will not all be available in the game, unless you pay, period. Wait, why am I even bothering, carry on. Even this world needs it's cattle...
You're not thinking like a company. This makes zero business sense to invest time and effort into a business model that does not produce maximum returns. The MT store is not for our convienence, it is a way to make money. To think Cryptic is adding this to combat "gold farmers" and help the casual player is laughable at best. They are preying on ignorance.
I guess you could say that any and all companies that operate for a profit are preying on ignorance then. Paying a subscription isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money. Charging for the game box isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money.
Do you think the cable companies charge extra for HBO because it makes it more convenient for their customers? No, they do it to cover the added cost of premium TV shows. Its no different in CO. If we want content above and beyond what would be available from subscription revenue only, then guess what? We are gonna have to pay extra for it.
You'd think that Cryptic just broke the news to the world that Santa Claus isn't real and that companies operate with the intention of making money. Now unless you're privy to well guarded info about what their profit margins are, then whether Cryptic uses MTs, expansions, card games, subscriptions, or robs old ladies is kind of a moot point. What matters is how much of that income is reinvested into the product. The types and sources of their income have little to no effect on that.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
I agree with Irishoak. I too will not be touching this game now as I don't care for this greedy business model. I will support the MMOs that come out with a more reasonable business model so they can prosper. Just as in vehicles, I have never purchased the "deluxe" name brand vehicle for double the price of the off brand model that offers me the same thing.
you dont have to use it to get the same items. how is it greedy again?
I have no idea why everyone throwing a god damn fit
over it. now if the Mt was like an item mall in a ftp mmo then that would be a diffreant story. but its not all its doing is giving people the option to spend the cash instead of the time to get certain items.
If you cant understand this then I have no idea how to get this though your guyses heads
Trust me, we feel the same thing about your lack of understanding. We know we don't have to use it, and we're not going to, period. We're not buying the game. Only difference between the two of us is, I have accepted you are not able to grasp the concepts being pushed forth here and you seem fixtaed on the fact we think it's mandatory, by law, for us to spend money there. The rage is touching on your part, it shows how deeply you care for us, aww. The itmes in the store will not all be available in the game, unless you pay, period. Wait, why am I even bothering, carry on. Even this world needs it's cattle...
honestly dont give a shit (its a game for peats sake) im not telling you to do shit. whre in my post did i say you have to play. Your just making a big deal out of something (well alot of people are) that isnt. dont play but stop QQ so much
if i can find an another mmo that i wont get bored with within a god damn month im not going not play it just because they have some stupid fucking MTs. Mt going to be real nice for people with life time subs(or people that dont have time to play all the time) probly one reason there having the mt cause there going to lose money with life time subs.
Go cry to your mommy cause thats what your doing. wait your just QQing on some forums. i dont give a rats ass if you play or not good ridance. dont know why crybabys have to go on a forum crusade cause they dont like something. Life is full of things your not going to like. just be glad the monthly isnt 20 bucks a month. cause sooner or later its going to get to be that much. if a MT keeps that from happening well so be it.
I didnt relize there forcing me to except or use anything. im actully apretty nice person but people like you need to get over it.
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As much as I hate the payment model, I still haven't decided whether or not to buy the game... there are specific things in-game that I'm hoping get attention before I make my decision, as entertainment > money for me right now, and if they can get their business together the way I like it.. I'd deal with the not paying of MTs. Not to mention, I like the community for the most part... aganazer may be fannish more then some others... but he's fairly good people...... regardless of what I say about him on the forums.
This is what they are depending on, apathy. As little good as it may do I refuse to buy the game is they have an extensive MT. Roper pretty much insured no "buy on release" for me, this may insure I never buy it, period.
Well I've been in the beta for a bit.... I have an emblem actually in-game, I was really hoping to see this thing through, but as I say entertainment > money but some of the pitfalls I've noticed are too big to overlook in game. I'm all for making a stand, fighting the good fight and not doing this MT thing.... but it would all mean nothing to me if the game turned out to be not worth my time anyway. At that point I wouldn't even bother.
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Originally posted by downtoearth honestly dont give a shit (its a game for peats sake) im not telling you to do shit. whre in my post did i say you have to play. Your just making a big deal out of something (well alot of people are) that isnt. dont play but stop QQ so much
if i can find an another mmo that i wont get bored with within a god damn month im not going not play it just because they have some stupid fucking MTs. Mt going to be real nice for people with life time subs(or people that dont have time to play all the time) probly one reason there having the mt cause there going to lose money with life time subs. Go cry to your mommy cause thats what your doing. wait your just QQing on some forums. i dont give a rats ass if you play or not good ridance. dont know why crybabys have to go on a forum crusade cause they dont like something. Life is full of things your not going to like. just be glad the monthly isnt 20 bucks a month. cause sooner or later its going to get to be that much. if a MT keeps that from happening well so be it.
I didnt relize there forcing me to except or use anything. im actully apretty nice person but people like you need to get over it.
Oh, bitter-sweet irony. Thanks for replying, this made my day.
This is what they are depending on, apathy. As little good as it may do I refuse to buy the game is they have an extensive MT. Roper pretty much insured no "buy on release" for me, this may insure I never buy it, period.
pretty much same here .was looking forward to it.mt news hit. already play one game thats monthly an hasa mt as wel ( eq1) an that sucks enuff.but to do this on release not wait an see how the game does with out it isnt a show of faith in the game but more in their acounting.
will wait 3 months see what develops.may even re up to coh .but aoc seems to be holding my atention for a side game.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
Originally posted by downtoearth honestly dont give a shit (its a game for peats sake) im not telling you to do shit. whre in my post did i say you have to play. Your just making a big deal out of something (well alot of people are) that isnt. dont play but stop QQ so much
if i can find an another mmo that i wont get bored with within a god damn month im not going not play it just because they have some stupid fucking MTs. Mt going to be real nice for people with life time subs(or people that dont have time to play all the time) probly one reason there having the mt cause there going to lose money with life time subs. Go cry to your mommy cause thats what your doing. wait your just QQing on some forums. i dont give a rats ass if you play or not good ridance. dont know why crybabys have to go on a forum crusade cause they dont like something. Life is full of things your not going to like. just be glad the monthly isnt 20 bucks a month. cause sooner or later its going to get to be that much. if a MT keeps that from happening well so be it.
I didnt relize there forcing me to except or use anything. im actully apretty nice person but people like you need to get over it.
Oh, bitter-sweet irony. Thanks for replying, this made my day.
I think the author makes some excellent observations that apply to this discussion.
Near the end, it focuses on the items that do in fact enhance performance. This seems to be the main sticking point. You can pay real cash for instant enhancement, or take more time to try to get in in-game. Again, to be competitive, people are going to be drawn to the instant option with the additional price tag. Again, the in-game path can easily be made less appealing by developers to sucker more people into the RMT market. Again, you're paying 3 times over to play an MMO: once for the box, once for the subscription fee, and yet again for performance enhancement.
Not this gamer. As long as there is performance enhancing RMT in this game, I'll gladly pass. Plenty of other things to do that are fun; and won't cost me 3 times over. I hear WoW and EVE are a lot of fun, and have very consumer friendly business models.
I also happen to know that Emmert hates RMT in subscription based games. Come on man, stand up for yourself. Don't let the greedy suits slap you around and abuse your creative talents.
Fantastic article on subscription and/or RMT revenue models in MMOs found here: http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=19123 I think the author makes some excellent observations that apply to this discussion. Near the end, it focuses on the items that do in fact enhance performance. This seems to be the main sticking point. You can pay real cash for instant enhancement, or take more time to try to get in in-game. Again, to be competitive, people are going to be drawn to the instant option with the additional price tag. Again, the in-game path can easily be made less appealing by developers to sucker more people into the RMT market. Again, you're paying 3 times over to play an MMO: once for the box, once for the subscription fee, and yet again for performance enhancement. Not this gamer. As long as there is performance enhancing RMT in this game, I'll gladly pass. Plenty of other things to do that are fun; and won't cost me 3 times over. I hear WoW and EVE are a lot of fun, and have very consumer friendly business models. I also happen to know that Emmert hates RMT in subscription based games. Come on man, stand up for yourself. Don't let the greedy suits slap you around and abuse your creative talents.
Well unfortunately for most folks out there, they will need to wait until the 17th to find out what kind of stuff will be in the Item Mall (that is if Cryptic will show what you can buy during OB), I for one already got a clue about that and I'm not too worried but then again, its the slippery slop that one day, in the future they might actually add something that will perhaps be "raid" equivalent to the Item Mall...I bet some people will buy the "raid" item from the Item Mall instead of waiting for weeks or months for it to drop.
But like I said, from what I've seen ingame, I'm not worried at all.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
This is the exact opposite of my friends and I. We all used to play CoX together and had a rather nice SG. We have all since went to different MMO's, but stayed in contact. Once we heard CO was being released, we couldn't wait. We are all looking forward to playing together again in our favorite MMO genre. The RMT, to us, is not a big deal. We are going to play the game and have fun. Good luck to you and your friends in finding an MMO home.
You're not thinking like a company. This makes zero business sense to invest time and effort into a business model that does not produce maximum returns. The MT store is not for our convienence, it is a way to make money. To think Cryptic is adding this to combat "gold farmers" and help the casual player is laughable at best. They are preying on ignorance.
I guess you could say that any and all companies that operate for a profit are preying on ignorance then. Paying a subscription isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money. Charging for the game box isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money.
Do you think the cable companies charge extra for HBO because it makes it more convenient for their customers? No, they do it to cover the added cost of premium TV shows. Its no different in CO. If we want content above and beyond what would be available from subscription revenue only, then guess what? We are gonna have to pay extra for it.
You'd think that Cryptic just broke the news to the world that Santa Claus isn't real and that companies operate with the intention of making money. Now unless you're privy to well guarded info about what their profit margins are, then whether Cryptic uses MTs, expansions, card games, subscriptions, or robs old ladies is kind of a moot point. What matters is how much of that income is reinvested into the product. The types and sources of their income have little to no effect on that.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
I agree with Irishoak. I too will not be touching this game now as I don't care for this greedy business model. I will support the MMOs that come out with a more reasonable business model so they can prosper. Just as in vehicles, I have never purchased the "deluxe" name brand vehicle for double the price of the off brand model that offers me the same thing.
you dont have to use it to get the same items. how is it greedy again?
I have no idea why everyone throwing a god damn fit
over it. now if the Mt was like an item mall in a ftp mmo then that would be a diffreant story. but its not all its doing is giving people the option to spend the cash instead of the time to get certain items.
If you cant understand this then I have no idea how to get this though your guyses heads
I dont understand why you would even play the game if you are just going to spend extra money to get items. Isn't the whole point of playing a game is to have fun and play leisurely? Even if you are someone who wants to play through the game as fast as possible, that just means you play harder and longer. Even if all the items available to buy can be obtained by playing the game, that still gives an advantage to ppl buying them. It penalizes the ppl who don't use rmt or the people who can't afford it.
I don't even mildly like the idea of any type of item mall or rmt in a game, especially one that is going to charge a sub.
If you want to pay for the box, subsrciption, AND rmt then all I have to say is that you are wasting your money.
So I really have to ask - What is everyone's problem with MT-style games? As far as Champions Online goes, the devs aren't going to create game-changing items that make someone horribly overpowered in comparison to the next person. They've even said that any items that have an in-game effect will be obtainable without paying. I can tell you all right now that items and materials are easy enough to obtain and that there's no real reason for actually purchasing items in that sense. Furthermore, for those of you that are complaining about MTs and played City of Heroes/Villains, CoH/V had a similar system where you could buy costume pieces that came with emotes that caused heavy damage in-game. Thus far their proposed system isn't far off from what it was when they were working on CoH/V. (Yeah, if you need to ask, I am a Preview Tester - I have been for a long time now. The game has improved remarkably, though I'm not going to say how.)
Thus far all I see little more beyond assumptions that the game will have items that make players come out far ahead of others, meaning the more money you drop in the game the better you are. If any of you were actually in the Preview Beta and read the forums, you'd know that the devs listen to the players and take what they say to heart. Any of you are right and they do actually make the MT store unbalance the game, they're going to change it. Besides, there is a ton of content available right now, more than enough to make the game worth $15 a month and if CoH/V showed us anything, it's that the devs will continue to expand and develop CO - a few MTs here and there will make that development go much faster.
So I have to ask the question again, though a bit differently this time: Without assuming the worst, what's wrong with what they're doing? Why is it a deal breaker? Take into consideration that CoH/V let you buy item packs that did the same thing.
And, as a side note, the only downside to all of this IMO is not the Micro-Transactions, not the Mothly Fee, but rather how they're doing so many payment options at the same time. Lifetime Subscriptions added onto all of that make me think Hellgate London all over again, but we'll see if the "lifetime subscription = failing game" trend continues.
You're not thinking like a company. This makes zero business sense to invest time and effort into a business model that does not produce maximum returns. The MT store is not for our convienence, it is a way to make money. To think Cryptic is adding this to combat "gold farmers" and help the casual player is laughable at best. They are preying on ignorance.
I guess you could say that any and all companies that operate for a profit are preying on ignorance then. Paying a subscription isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money. Charging for the game box isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money.
Do you think the cable companies charge extra for HBO because it makes it more convenient for their customers? No, they do it to cover the added cost of premium TV shows. Its no different in CO. If we want content above and beyond what would be available from subscription revenue only, then guess what? We are gonna have to pay extra for it.
You'd think that Cryptic just broke the news to the world that Santa Claus isn't real and that companies operate with the intention of making money. Now unless you're privy to well guarded info about what their profit margins are, then whether Cryptic uses MTs, expansions, card games, subscriptions, or robs old ladies is kind of a moot point. What matters is how much of that income is reinvested into the product. The types and sources of their income have little to no effect on that.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
I agree with Irishoak. I too will not be touching this game now as I don't care for this greedy business model. I will support the MMOs that come out with a more reasonable business model so they can prosper. Just as in vehicles, I have never purchased the "deluxe" name brand vehicle for double the price of the off brand model that offers me the same thing.
you dont have to use it to get the same items. how is it greedy again?
I have no idea why everyone throwing a god damn fit
over it. now if the Mt was like an item mall in a ftp mmo then that would be a diffreant story. but its not all its doing is giving people the option to spend the cash instead of the time to get certain items.
If you cant understand this then I have no idea how to get this though your guyses heads
I dont understand why you would even play the game if you are just going to spend extra money to get items. Isn't the whole point of playing a game is to have fun and play leisurely? Even if you are someone who wants to play through the game as fast as possible, that just means you play harder and longer. Even if all the items available to buy can be obtained by playing the game, that still gives an advantage to ppl buying them. It penalizes the ppl who don't use rmt or the people who can't afford it.
I don't even mildly like the idea of any type of item mall or rmt in a game, especially one that is going to charge a sub.
If you want to pay for the box, subsrciption, AND rmt then all I have to say is that you are wasting your money.
What kind of advantage does it give? And please don't tell me how to spend my monies....
You're not thinking like a company. This makes zero business sense to invest time and effort into a business model that does not produce maximum returns. The MT store is not for our convienence, it is a way to make money. To think Cryptic is adding this to combat "gold farmers" and help the casual player is laughable at best. They are preying on ignorance.
I guess you could say that any and all companies that operate for a profit are preying on ignorance then. Paying a subscription isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money. Charging for the game box isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money.
Do you think the cable companies charge extra for HBO because it makes it more convenient for their customers? No, they do it to cover the added cost of premium TV shows. Its no different in CO. If we want content above and beyond what would be available from subscription revenue only, then guess what? We are gonna have to pay extra for it.
You'd think that Cryptic just broke the news to the world that Santa Claus isn't real and that companies operate with the intention of making money. Now unless you're privy to well guarded info about what their profit margins are, then whether Cryptic uses MTs, expansions, card games, subscriptions, or robs old ladies is kind of a moot point. What matters is how much of that income is reinvested into the product. The types and sources of their income have little to no effect on that.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
I agree with Irishoak. I too will not be touching this game now as I don't care for this greedy business model. I will support the MMOs that come out with a more reasonable business model so they can prosper. Just as in vehicles, I have never purchased the "deluxe" name brand vehicle for double the price of the off brand model that offers me the same thing.
you dont have to use it to get the same items. how is it greedy again?
I have no idea why everyone throwing a god damn fit
over it. now if the Mt was like an item mall in a ftp mmo then that would be a diffreant story. but its not all its doing is giving people the option to spend the cash instead of the time to get certain items.
If you cant understand this then I have no idea how to get this though your guyses heads
I dont understand why you would even play the game if you are just going to spend extra money to get items. Isn't the whole point of playing a game is to have fun and play leisurely? Even if you are someone who wants to play through the game as fast as possible, that just means you play harder and longer. Even if all the items available to buy can be obtained by playing the game, that still gives an advantage to ppl buying them. It penalizes the ppl who don't use rmt or the people who can't afford it.
I don't even mildly like the idea of any type of item mall or rmt in a game, especially one that is going to charge a sub.
If you want to pay for the box, subsrciption, AND rmt then all I have to say is that you are wasting your money.
What kind of advantage does it give? And please don't tell me how to spend my monies....
For example, the game is just updated with new content or a expansion has just been released and there are several new, powerful items. To obtain these items by playing the game it could take weeks, maybe longer depending on how much you play. Yet someone who uses rmt is able to get them instantly (I don't know if items like this would be offered in CO, so correct me if im wrong there).
Even if the items offered are only aesthetic items altering your appearance, you shouldn't have to pay extra to get them even if they are obtainable in game. You shouldn't have to wait longer than anyone else to get an item no matter what that item is.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
This is the exact opposite of my friends and I. We all used to play CoX together and had a rather nice SG. We have all since went to different MMO's, but stayed in contact. Once we heard CO was being released, we couldn't wait. We are all looking forward to playing together again in our favorite MMO genre. The RMT, to us, is not a big deal. We are going to play the game and have fun. Good luck to you and your friends in finding an MMO home.
We have a home, we have multiple homes. I suppose if I had to pick a Super Hero MMO at this time my options would be limited. Even less of an excuse for Cryptic trying to gouge it's player base.
Originally posted by downtoearth honestly dont give a shit (its a game for peats sake) im not telling you to do shit. whre in my post did i say you have to play. Your just making a big deal out of something (well alot of people are) that isnt. dont play but stop QQ so much
if i can find an another mmo that i wont get bored with within a god damn month im not going not play it just because they have some stupid fucking MTs. Mt going to be real nice for people with life time subs(or people that dont have time to play all the time) probly one reason there having the mt cause there going to lose money with life time subs. Go cry to your mommy cause thats what your doing. wait your just QQing on some forums. i dont give a rats ass if you play or not good ridance. dont know why crybabys have to go on a forum crusade cause they dont like something. Life is full of things your not going to like. just be glad the monthly isnt 20 bucks a month. cause sooner or later its going to get to be that much. if a MT keeps that from happening well so be it.
I didnt relize there forcing me to except or use anything. im actully apretty nice person but people like you need to get over it.
Oh, bitter-sweet irony. Thanks for replying, this made my day.
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This isn't going well for you. Maybe a lie down is in order? /pat
8 months ago I would have thought like a lot of people in this thread about microtransactions, but my wife got into a game (and me by default) a little while ago called Wizards101... Because of an ad on this web site....
They have a very similar MT system as the one that CO is planning on using. Honestly I think it's a great idea now. If they keep it as restrictive as they are saying it should work out really well, like I feel it does in Wizards101. I've never bought in-game money in Wizards101 and I still have a ton of fun with my Wife... My wifes friend on the other hand has spent a few dollars on Crown Cash, and she doesn't regret it one bit.
Honestly like I said I would have been VERY sckeptical if I had not had this previous experience with a company that actually implmented it fairly well. Cause my only other experience with MT's was not good at all.
101 charges you 15 bucks a month, plus fifty for the game on top of their MT store?
I think it's 9 bucks a month and no charge for the game, but Wizard101 is not really a main stream, high development cost game either.
I was just pointing out that IMO there are MMO's (monthly paid) out there that handle MT well. If they keep it limited to "FLUFF" items and other game items that can also be attained by normal play methods it isn't that big of a deal.
101 charges you 15 bucks a month, plus fifty for the game on top of their MT store?
I think it's 9 bucks a month and no charge for the game, but Wizard101 is not really a main stream, high development cost game either.
I was just pointing out that IMO there are MMO's (monthly paid) out there that handle MT well. If they keep it limited to "FLUFF" items and other game items that can also be attained by normal play methods it isn't that big of a deal.
I'm just pointing out 101 doesn't use the same payment method as CO. CO charges much more compared to it.
For example, the game is just updated with new content or a expansion has just been released and there are several new, powerful items. To obtain these items by playing the game it could take weeks, maybe longer depending on how much you play. Yet someone who uses rmt is able to get them instantly (I don't know if items like this would be offered in CO, so correct me if im wrong there). Even if the items offered are only aesthetic items altering your appearance, you shouldn't have to pay extra to get them even if they are obtainable in game. You shouldn't have to wait longer than anyone else to get an item no matter what that item is.
I guess its a good thing that according to the dev's themselves (it was either massively or a tentonhammer interview do the research yourself) that gear accounts for LESS than 50% of your efficiency in combat at ALL levels unlike other games such as WoW where it starts small and gets bigger until its over 50% of your combat efficiency by end game.
To be honest I don't see a problem with charging for cosmetic items, which are NOT found in Game unless you pay. They said this multiple times, ONLY the items that have game changing effects IE stats or character resets, power adjustments (such as changing how a power works) etc can still be found in game if they're on the item mall. It means you get to look a little bit unique from all the thousands of other players while not upsetting the balance of the game.
Like I said before people are reading way to much into this without actually reading everything the dev's have said in various interviews. Your taking experience with crappy horrible Item Mall Based Korean games and applying it to this game which is not an Item Mall Based Game. It just happens to have a Micro Transaction Mall.
Of course if they change what they say not only does their name become uber mud their game goes to the crap tank so I'm withholding my personal judgement on it until later since I have recently experienced games with similiar item malls and it didnt' affect the in game experience at all. The game has alot of positives going for it so it all comes down to when I get in game to test it out and if it feels like some horrific grinder game then I'm out.
Im on the fence I really dont want to be burned again I just think this fight on the mall is retarded. Its there its not going away, they've stated the types of things that will be on there and hwo gear affects the game so..it all comes down to is the game actually good Sans the Item mall? Does it feel like an Item Mall Game? Is it fun engaging? Those to me are more important than the existance of a mall thats mostly for customization of the character. I mean for petes' sake there's over 40 something sliders for creating your char's body, face, height, color, race etc...does it matter someone can spend a few bucks on a special emblem for his costume?
Character creation and "infinate possibilities appearance customization" may be the single element that is the strongest seller for Champions right?
So how does "exclusive microtransaction cosmetic items" fit into that?
I'll tell you this: My overall expectations for CO are low.
All I really count on for this game to deliver 100% is for the character creation toolbox to be outstanding.
If I got an idea for a look and find out that I can't make it cuz I gotta go into the mall and buy that appearance module on the side, there will be no end to my hatred.
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dont use it >.> well ir ather give cryptic a few extra bucks than gold sellers that hurt the game
And how am I going to swallow the fact that they are effectively gold sellers themselves?
By subscribing to the game, I'm partially reward them. I have no intention to do that. Instead I would prefer that all content was made available to everyone paying a subscription. If their management made that an impossibility, I'll move to other MMOs, perhaps with less appealing gameplay, but with ethics under their monetary system that I can stomach.
I guess you could say that any and all companies that operate for a profit are preying on ignorance then. Paying a subscription isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money. Charging for the game box isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money.
Do you think the cable companies charge extra for HBO because it makes it more convenient for their customers? No, they do it to cover the added cost of premium TV shows. Its no different in CO. If we want content above and beyond what would be available from subscription revenue only, then guess what? We are gonna have to pay extra for it.
You'd think that Cryptic just broke the news to the world that Santa Claus isn't real and that companies operate with the intention of making money. Now unless you're privy to well guarded info about what their profit margins are, then whether Cryptic uses MTs, expansions, card games, subscriptions, or robs old ladies is kind of a moot point. What matters is how much of that income is reinvested into the product. The types and sources of their income have little to no effect on that.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
I agree with Irishoak. I too will not be touching this game now as I don't care for this greedy business model. I will support the MMOs that come out with a more reasonable business model so they can prosper. Just as in vehicles, I have never purchased the "deluxe" name brand vehicle for double the price of the off brand model that offers me the same thing.
you dont have to use it to get the same items. how is it greedy again?
I have no idea why everyone throwing a god damn fit
over it. now if the Mt was like an item mall in a ftp mmo then that would be a diffreant story. but its not all its doing is giving people the option to spend the cash instead of the time to get certain items.
If you cant understand this then I have no idea how to get this though your guyses heads
Trust me, we feel the same thing about your lack of understanding. We know we don't have to use it, and we're not going to, period. We're not buying the game. Only difference between the two of us is, I have accepted you are not able to grasp the concepts being pushed forth here and you seem fixtaed on the fact we think it's mandatory, by law, for us to spend money there. The rage is touching on your part, it shows how deeply you care for us, aww. The itmes in the store will not all be available in the game, unless you pay, period. Wait, why am I even bothering, carry on. Even this world needs it's cattle...
I guess you could say that any and all companies that operate for a profit are preying on ignorance then. Paying a subscription isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money. Charging for the game box isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money.
Do you think the cable companies charge extra for HBO because it makes it more convenient for their customers? No, they do it to cover the added cost of premium TV shows. Its no different in CO. If we want content above and beyond what would be available from subscription revenue only, then guess what? We are gonna have to pay extra for it.
You'd think that Cryptic just broke the news to the world that Santa Claus isn't real and that companies operate with the intention of making money. Now unless you're privy to well guarded info about what their profit margins are, then whether Cryptic uses MTs, expansions, card games, subscriptions, or robs old ladies is kind of a moot point. What matters is how much of that income is reinvested into the product. The types and sources of their income have little to no effect on that.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
I agree with Irishoak. I too will not be touching this game now as I don't care for this greedy business model. I will support the MMOs that come out with a more reasonable business model so they can prosper. Just as in vehicles, I have never purchased the "deluxe" name brand vehicle for double the price of the off brand model that offers me the same thing.
you dont have to use it to get the same items. how is it greedy again?
I have no idea why everyone throwing a god damn fit
over it. now if the Mt was like an item mall in a ftp mmo then that would be a diffreant story. but its not all its doing is giving people the option to spend the cash instead of the time to get certain items.
If you cant understand this then I have no idea how to get this though your guyses heads
Trust me, we feel the same thing about your lack of understanding. We know we don't have to use it, and we're not going to, period. We're not buying the game. Only difference between the two of us is, I have accepted you are not able to grasp the concepts being pushed forth here and you seem fixtaed on the fact we think it's mandatory, by law, for us to spend money there. The rage is touching on your part, it shows how deeply you care for us, aww. The itmes in the store will not all be available in the game, unless you pay, period. Wait, why am I even bothering, carry on. Even this world needs it's cattle...
honestly dont give a shit (its a game for peats sake) im not telling you to do shit. whre in my post did i say you have to play. Your just making a big deal out of something (well alot of people are) that isnt. dont play but stop QQ so much
if i can find an another mmo that i wont get bored with within a god damn month im not going not play it just because they have some stupid fucking MTs. Mt going to be real nice for people with life time subs(or people that dont have time to play all the time) probly one reason there having the mt cause there going to lose money with life time subs.
Go cry to your mommy cause thats what your doing. wait your just QQing on some forums. i dont give a rats ass if you play or not good ridance. dont know why crybabys have to go on a forum crusade cause they dont like something. Life is full of things your not going to like. just be glad the monthly isnt 20 bucks a month. cause sooner or later its going to get to be that much. if a MT keeps that from happening well so be it.
I didnt relize there forcing me to except or use anything. im actully apretty nice person but people like you need to get over it.
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This is what they are depending on, apathy. As little good as it may do I refuse to buy the game is they have an extensive MT. Roper pretty much insured no "buy on release" for me, this may insure I never buy it, period.
Well I've been in the beta for a bit.... I have an emblem actually in-game, I was really hoping to see this thing through, but as I say entertainment > money but some of the pitfalls I've noticed are too big to overlook in game. I'm all for making a stand, fighting the good fight and not doing this MT thing.... but it would all mean nothing to me if the game turned out to be not worth my time anyway. At that point I wouldn't even bother.
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pretty much same here .was looking forward to it.mt news hit. already play one game thats monthly an hasa mt as wel ( eq1) an that sucks enuff.but to do this on release not wait an see how the game does with out it isnt a show of faith in the game but more in their acounting.
will wait 3 months see what develops.may even re up to coh .but aoc seems to be holding my atention for a side game.
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Fantastic article on subscription and/or RMT revenue models in MMOs found here:
http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=19123
I think the author makes some excellent observations that apply to this discussion.
Near the end, it focuses on the items that do in fact enhance performance. This seems to be the main sticking point. You can pay real cash for instant enhancement, or take more time to try to get in in-game. Again, to be competitive, people are going to be drawn to the instant option with the additional price tag. Again, the in-game path can easily be made less appealing by developers to sucker more people into the RMT market. Again, you're paying 3 times over to play an MMO: once for the box, once for the subscription fee, and yet again for performance enhancement.
Not this gamer. As long as there is performance enhancing RMT in this game, I'll gladly pass. Plenty of other things to do that are fun; and won't cost me 3 times over. I hear WoW and EVE are a lot of fun, and have very consumer friendly business models.
I also happen to know that Emmert hates RMT in subscription based games. Come on man, stand up for yourself. Don't let the greedy suits slap you around and abuse your creative talents.
Well unfortunately for most folks out there, they will need to wait until the 17th to find out what kind of stuff will be in the Item Mall (that is if Cryptic will show what you can buy during OB), I for one already got a clue about that and I'm not too worried but then again, its the slippery slop that one day, in the future they might actually add something that will perhaps be "raid" equivalent to the Item Mall...I bet some people will buy the "raid" item from the Item Mall instead of waiting for weeks or months for it to drop.
But like I said, from what I've seen ingame, I'm not worried at all.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
This is the exact opposite of my friends and I. We all used to play CoX together and had a rather nice SG. We have all since went to different MMO's, but stayed in contact. Once we heard CO was being released, we couldn't wait. We are all looking forward to playing together again in our favorite MMO genre. The RMT, to us, is not a big deal. We are going to play the game and have fun. Good luck to you and your friends in finding an MMO home.
I guess you could say that any and all companies that operate for a profit are preying on ignorance then. Paying a subscription isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money. Charging for the game box isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money.
Do you think the cable companies charge extra for HBO because it makes it more convenient for their customers? No, they do it to cover the added cost of premium TV shows. Its no different in CO. If we want content above and beyond what would be available from subscription revenue only, then guess what? We are gonna have to pay extra for it.
You'd think that Cryptic just broke the news to the world that Santa Claus isn't real and that companies operate with the intention of making money. Now unless you're privy to well guarded info about what their profit margins are, then whether Cryptic uses MTs, expansions, card games, subscriptions, or robs old ladies is kind of a moot point. What matters is how much of that income is reinvested into the product. The types and sources of their income have little to no effect on that.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
I agree with Irishoak. I too will not be touching this game now as I don't care for this greedy business model. I will support the MMOs that come out with a more reasonable business model so they can prosper. Just as in vehicles, I have never purchased the "deluxe" name brand vehicle for double the price of the off brand model that offers me the same thing.
you dont have to use it to get the same items. how is it greedy again?
I have no idea why everyone throwing a god damn fit
over it. now if the Mt was like an item mall in a ftp mmo then that would be a diffreant story. but its not all its doing is giving people the option to spend the cash instead of the time to get certain items.
If you cant understand this then I have no idea how to get this though your guyses heads
I dont understand why you would even play the game if you are just going to spend extra money to get items. Isn't the whole point of playing a game is to have fun and play leisurely? Even if you are someone who wants to play through the game as fast as possible, that just means you play harder and longer. Even if all the items available to buy can be obtained by playing the game, that still gives an advantage to ppl buying them. It penalizes the ppl who don't use rmt or the people who can't afford it.
I don't even mildly like the idea of any type of item mall or rmt in a game, especially one that is going to charge a sub.
If you want to pay for the box, subsrciption, AND rmt then all I have to say is that you are wasting your money.
Mr. Bagguns
So I really have to ask - What is everyone's problem with MT-style games? As far as Champions Online goes, the devs aren't going to create game-changing items that make someone horribly overpowered in comparison to the next person. They've even said that any items that have an in-game effect will be obtainable without paying. I can tell you all right now that items and materials are easy enough to obtain and that there's no real reason for actually purchasing items in that sense. Furthermore, for those of you that are complaining about MTs and played City of Heroes/Villains, CoH/V had a similar system where you could buy costume pieces that came with emotes that caused heavy damage in-game. Thus far their proposed system isn't far off from what it was when they were working on CoH/V. (Yeah, if you need to ask, I am a Preview Tester - I have been for a long time now. The game has improved remarkably, though I'm not going to say how.)
Thus far all I see little more beyond assumptions that the game will have items that make players come out far ahead of others, meaning the more money you drop in the game the better you are. If any of you were actually in the Preview Beta and read the forums, you'd know that the devs listen to the players and take what they say to heart. Any of you are right and they do actually make the MT store unbalance the game, they're going to change it. Besides, there is a ton of content available right now, more than enough to make the game worth $15 a month and if CoH/V showed us anything, it's that the devs will continue to expand and develop CO - a few MTs here and there will make that development go much faster.
So I have to ask the question again, though a bit differently this time: Without assuming the worst, what's wrong with what they're doing? Why is it a deal breaker? Take into consideration that CoH/V let you buy item packs that did the same thing.
And, as a side note, the only downside to all of this IMO is not the Micro-Transactions, not the Mothly Fee, but rather how they're doing so many payment options at the same time. Lifetime Subscriptions added onto all of that make me think Hellgate London all over again, but we'll see if the "lifetime subscription = failing game" trend continues.
I guess you could say that any and all companies that operate for a profit are preying on ignorance then. Paying a subscription isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money. Charging for the game box isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money.
Do you think the cable companies charge extra for HBO because it makes it more convenient for their customers? No, they do it to cover the added cost of premium TV shows. Its no different in CO. If we want content above and beyond what would be available from subscription revenue only, then guess what? We are gonna have to pay extra for it.
You'd think that Cryptic just broke the news to the world that Santa Claus isn't real and that companies operate with the intention of making money. Now unless you're privy to well guarded info about what their profit margins are, then whether Cryptic uses MTs, expansions, card games, subscriptions, or robs old ladies is kind of a moot point. What matters is how much of that income is reinvested into the product. The types and sources of their income have little to no effect on that.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
I agree with Irishoak. I too will not be touching this game now as I don't care for this greedy business model. I will support the MMOs that come out with a more reasonable business model so they can prosper. Just as in vehicles, I have never purchased the "deluxe" name brand vehicle for double the price of the off brand model that offers me the same thing.
you dont have to use it to get the same items. how is it greedy again?
I have no idea why everyone throwing a god damn fit
over it. now if the Mt was like an item mall in a ftp mmo then that would be a diffreant story. but its not all its doing is giving people the option to spend the cash instead of the time to get certain items.
If you cant understand this then I have no idea how to get this though your guyses heads
I dont understand why you would even play the game if you are just going to spend extra money to get items. Isn't the whole point of playing a game is to have fun and play leisurely? Even if you are someone who wants to play through the game as fast as possible, that just means you play harder and longer. Even if all the items available to buy can be obtained by playing the game, that still gives an advantage to ppl buying them. It penalizes the ppl who don't use rmt or the people who can't afford it.
I don't even mildly like the idea of any type of item mall or rmt in a game, especially one that is going to charge a sub.
If you want to pay for the box, subsrciption, AND rmt then all I have to say is that you are wasting your money.
What kind of advantage does it give? And please don't tell me how to spend my monies....
I guess you could say that any and all companies that operate for a profit are preying on ignorance then. Paying a subscription isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money. Charging for the game box isn't for our convenience, its a way to make money.
Do you think the cable companies charge extra for HBO because it makes it more convenient for their customers? No, they do it to cover the added cost of premium TV shows. Its no different in CO. If we want content above and beyond what would be available from subscription revenue only, then guess what? We are gonna have to pay extra for it.
You'd think that Cryptic just broke the news to the world that Santa Claus isn't real and that companies operate with the intention of making money. Now unless you're privy to well guarded info about what their profit margins are, then whether Cryptic uses MTs, expansions, card games, subscriptions, or robs old ladies is kind of a moot point. What matters is how much of that income is reinvested into the product. The types and sources of their income have little to no effect on that.
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
I agree with Irishoak. I too will not be touching this game now as I don't care for this greedy business model. I will support the MMOs that come out with a more reasonable business model so they can prosper. Just as in vehicles, I have never purchased the "deluxe" name brand vehicle for double the price of the off brand model that offers me the same thing.
you dont have to use it to get the same items. how is it greedy again?
I have no idea why everyone throwing a god damn fit
over it. now if the Mt was like an item mall in a ftp mmo then that would be a diffreant story. but its not all its doing is giving people the option to spend the cash instead of the time to get certain items.
If you cant understand this then I have no idea how to get this though your guyses heads
I dont understand why you would even play the game if you are just going to spend extra money to get items. Isn't the whole point of playing a game is to have fun and play leisurely? Even if you are someone who wants to play through the game as fast as possible, that just means you play harder and longer. Even if all the items available to buy can be obtained by playing the game, that still gives an advantage to ppl buying them. It penalizes the ppl who don't use rmt or the people who can't afford it.
I don't even mildly like the idea of any type of item mall or rmt in a game, especially one that is going to charge a sub.
If you want to pay for the box, subsrciption, AND rmt then all I have to say is that you are wasting your money.
What kind of advantage does it give? And please don't tell me how to spend my monies....
For example, the game is just updated with new content or a expansion has just been released and there are several new, powerful items. To obtain these items by playing the game it could take weeks, maybe longer depending on how much you play. Yet someone who uses rmt is able to get them instantly (I don't know if items like this would be offered in CO, so correct me if im wrong there).
Even if the items offered are only aesthetic items altering your appearance, you shouldn't have to pay extra to get them even if they are obtainable in game. You shouldn't have to wait longer than anyone else to get an item no matter what that item is.
Mr. Bagguns
This isn't cable, the analogy wasn't that good the first time. I do not subscribe to the idea of charging 50 bucks for the game, 15 a month, and then having a MT store. If that makes sense to you, by all means consume. I will not take part in it or STO. I don't have a single firend who's willing to take part in either now. Must be mass hysteria. Or maybe just a horrid outbreak of common sense...
This is the exact opposite of my friends and I. We all used to play CoX together and had a rather nice SG. We have all since went to different MMO's, but stayed in contact. Once we heard CO was being released, we couldn't wait. We are all looking forward to playing together again in our favorite MMO genre. The RMT, to us, is not a big deal. We are going to play the game and have fun. Good luck to you and your friends in finding an MMO home.
We have a home, we have multiple homes. I suppose if I had to pick a Super Hero MMO at this time my options would be limited. Even less of an excuse for Cryptic trying to gouge it's player base.
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This isn't going well for you. Maybe a lie down is in order? /pat
8 months ago I would have thought like a lot of people in this thread about microtransactions, but my wife got into a game (and me by default) a little while ago called Wizards101... Because of an ad on this web site....
They have a very similar MT system as the one that CO is planning on using. Honestly I think it's a great idea now. If they keep it as restrictive as they are saying it should work out really well, like I feel it does in Wizards101. I've never bought in-game money in Wizards101 and I still have a ton of fun with my Wife... My wifes friend on the other hand has spent a few dollars on Crown Cash, and she doesn't regret it one bit.
Honestly like I said I would have been VERY sckeptical if I had not had this previous experience with a company that actually implmented it fairly well. Cause my only other experience with MT's was not good at all.
101 charges you 15 bucks a month, plus fifty for the game on top of their MT store?
I think it's 9 bucks a month and no charge for the game, but Wizard101 is not really a main stream, high development cost game either.
I was just pointing out that IMO there are MMO's (monthly paid) out there that handle MT well. If they keep it limited to "FLUFF" items and other game items that can also be attained by normal play methods it isn't that big of a deal.
I think it's 9 bucks a month and no charge for the game, but Wizard101 is not really a main stream, high development cost game either.
I was just pointing out that IMO there are MMO's (monthly paid) out there that handle MT well. If they keep it limited to "FLUFF" items and other game items that can also be attained by normal play methods it isn't that big of a deal.
I'm just pointing out 101 doesn't use the same payment method as CO. CO charges much more compared to it.
I guess its a good thing that according to the dev's themselves (it was either massively or a tentonhammer interview do the research yourself) that gear accounts for LESS than 50% of your efficiency in combat at ALL levels unlike other games such as WoW where it starts small and gets bigger until its over 50% of your combat efficiency by end game.
To be honest I don't see a problem with charging for cosmetic items, which are NOT found in Game unless you pay. They said this multiple times, ONLY the items that have game changing effects IE stats or character resets, power adjustments (such as changing how a power works) etc can still be found in game if they're on the item mall. It means you get to look a little bit unique from all the thousands of other players while not upsetting the balance of the game.
Like I said before people are reading way to much into this without actually reading everything the dev's have said in various interviews. Your taking experience with crappy horrible Item Mall Based Korean games and applying it to this game which is not an Item Mall Based Game. It just happens to have a Micro Transaction Mall.
Of course if they change what they say not only does their name become uber mud their game goes to the crap tank so I'm withholding my personal judgement on it until later since I have recently experienced games with similiar item malls and it didnt' affect the in game experience at all. The game has alot of positives going for it so it all comes down to when I get in game to test it out and if it feels like some horrific grinder game then I'm out.
Im on the fence I really dont want to be burned again I just think this fight on the mall is retarded. Its there its not going away, they've stated the types of things that will be on there and hwo gear affects the game so..it all comes down to is the game actually good Sans the Item mall? Does it feel like an Item Mall Game? Is it fun engaging? Those to me are more important than the existance of a mall thats mostly for customization of the character. I mean for petes' sake there's over 40 something sliders for creating your char's body, face, height, color, race etc...does it matter someone can spend a few bucks on a special emblem for his costume?
There's one thing I don't quite grasp though:
Character creation and "infinate possibilities appearance customization" may be the single element that is the strongest seller for Champions right?
So how does "exclusive microtransaction cosmetic items" fit into that?
I'll tell you this: My overall expectations for CO are low.
All I really count on for this game to deliver 100% is for the character creation toolbox to be outstanding.
If I got an idea for a look and find out that I can't make it cuz I gotta go into the mall and buy that appearance module on the side, there will be no end to my hatred.