everyone needs to look at it like this. im pretty sure everyone at some point in their life has gone to wal-mart or some similar store and gone through the checkout line. now when you get there theres all this random crap and candy there you can buy. so think of the MT as all that random stuff at the check out line when youre leaving the store. you can either buy the 4 pack of reeces peanut butter cups and a pepsi or coke like i do sometimes or you dont. i think thats a pretty civil way to look at cryptics model here.
excuse me but i've already paid for my peanut butter cups and pepsi - - - see, here is my receipt for $14.95
Erm glad some people are happy to be so free with their cash for me its a choice of product rather than heck Ill have everything, some families are on a budget and I find it so disgraceful some young punks with their salary they earn while living with mum and not paying rent can afford what they like. For the rest of us there is a budget for entertainment of which games come under.
As much as I disagree with their choice of a RMT option and think its money grabbing, I cant see them putting overpowered cash shop items in for the simple reason it would lose them more customers than gain. A lot of people would immediately quit if it was a case of having to spend real money on progression as well as paying a sub fee, and I cant see Cryptic being that stupid.
City of Heroes has MTs, and some are game changing but not to a point where they give you a significant advantage over others, for example the little teleporter to take you to an active quest. If it were in champs it wouldnt suddenly make you overpowered, and it would also be available somewhere in game as well.
Its best to wait and see whats in store (no pun intended) rather than getting too heated. I for one wont be paying a penny to the RMTs and like the majority of people, will vote with my wallet if Cryptic ever introduced advantage giving MT items. But as i said, I cant see them commiting game suicide like that.
So yet another game after Chronicles of Spellborn and Star Trek copies D&D Online new model .
I think it's good, new DDO starts on 6th of August (week from now!), and those companies will get people used to this model even more. It's not a competition for DDO though, so it won't affect that game negatively - rather positively.
Response to this model in DDO Beta was overwhelmingly good. The way Turbine implemented it for real is simply genious. So logical and easy that one wonders why no one did it before them.
So Turbine and DDO are innovators again : ). Nice to see it. Wish you luck and great fun in Champions guys, I just prefer fantasy genre to comic genre MMOs, that's all.
Hmm.. I hadn't seen that it was confirmed $15 by NCSoft, link? Sorry if I missed this, I was kind of waiting to hear about it. I was hoping they would back off the $15 b/c they had a mall. If they in fact do charge $15/month and have a mall, this could make things bad. $10/month and a limited mall, probably not an issue for me, but $15 (competing with non-mall MMO's) is very bold.
Hmm.. I hadn't seen that it was confirmed $15 by Cryptic link? Sorry if I missed this, I was kind of waiting to hear about it. I was hoping they would back off the $15 b/c they had a mall. If they in fact do charge $15/month and have a mall, this could make things bad. $10/month and a limited mall, probably not an issue for me, but $15 (competing with non-mall MMO's) is very bold.
Fix that for ya.
Tho there is no offical word on it, alot of sites are selling 60 day game cards for CO for $29.99.
From the CO forums. http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=23349 I know everyone has questions about microtransactions – what are they, how much are they, etc. I’m sorry we didn’t post something earlier; we’re really heads down in development right now. We’re going to release a WHOLE lot of information in the very near future about not just about microtransactions, but pricing in general. That said, here’s some basic principles about microtransactions to at least answer some of your concerns: 1) Microtransactions enable us to have a larger development team
2) Microtransactions are mostly aesthetic (costume pieces, pets, etc.)
3) If a microtransaction does have any sort of in game effect, then it can be also be earned in game. I promise we'll read this thread, note any questions, and answer them more in depth soon. Heck, I'll try to answer the easy ones today/tomorrow/this week.
This payment model would make SOE blush. It's just money grubbing BS. MT allows them to have a larger team for what? To develop more MT content? lol pathetic.
So, anything really cool in this game (cool enough to spend RL money on that is) will be able to be store bought? Consider my interest in this joke of a shallow ez mode MMO arcade game finally dead. I hope you suckers that buy into it enjoy being nickeld and dimed to death. If I want a decent superhero MMO I would rather just stick with CoX. Honestly.
And before I get the 100 "I play MT games but I don't spend a dime" replies to this, let me just ask how come anyone who ever posts in support of MT ingame shops never actually admit to every actually spending any money..? Makes you wonder how these Devs make any money at all heh.
People, walk away from it, please. Supporting Cryptic on this is killing the very thing that has made the great games of the past worth playing. You are just helping to destroy the challenge of gaming by showing them that this is the way to go.
Wow...you guys really whine too much. Its not that bad...everything is cosmetic that you can buy...not game changing....and even the cosmetic stuff (If you are into looking all pretty) you can get from in game quests... /snip
Did you even read the original statement? Best go back to page 1 for another look tbh.
It's obvious what Craptic are relying on for this to work from posts like this.
From the CO forums. http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=23349 I know everyone has questions about microtransactions – what are they, how much are they, etc. I’m sorry we didn’t post something earlier; we’re really heads down in development right now. We’re going to release a WHOLE lot of information in the very near future about not just about microtransactions, but pricing in general. That said, here’s some basic principles about microtransactions to at least answer some of your concerns: 1) Microtransactions enable us to have a larger development team
2) Microtransactions are mostly aesthetic (costume pieces, pets, etc.)
3) If a microtransaction does have any sort of in game effect, then it can be also be earned in game. I promise we'll read this thread, note any questions, and answer them more in depth soon. Heck, I'll try to answer the easy ones today/tomorrow/this week.
This payment model would make SOE blush. It's just money grubbing BS. MT allows them to have a larger team for what? To develop more MT content? lol pathetic.
So, anything really cool in this game (cool enough to spend RL money on that is) will be able to be store bought? Consider my interest in this joke of a shallow ez mode MMO arcade game finally dead. I hope you suckers that buy into it enjoy being nickeld and dimed to death. If I want a decent superhero MMO I would rather just stick with CoX. Honestly.
And before I get the 100 "I play MT games but I don't spend a dime" replies to this, let me just ask how come anyone who ever posts in support of MT ingame shops never actually admit to every actually spending any money..? Makes you wonder how these Devs make any money at all heh.
People, walk away from it, please. Supporting Cryptic on this is killing the very thing that has made the great games of the past worth playing. You are just helping to destroy the challenge of gaming by showing them that this is the way to go.
Play to achieve, NOT Pay to achieve.
Of all people, vesavius, I didn't think you'd be the one to jump to these kinds of conclusions. You do know that CoX has MT's with game effecting items, right? Cryptic's announcement says that anything game effecting would be available in the game. That makes it better than the one used in CoX since you can't get things like Self Destruct from within CoX.
Did you react this way when Blizzard released their game effecting card game that lets you buy epic mounts with real money? Right now I think its best to wait and see. I don't see any reason to jump off the deep end yet. I seriously doubt its going to be anything remotely resembling "pay to achieve".
I have bought a cyborg pack and a server transfer in CoX. I have bought a mount in Runes of Magic. Does it make you feel better to see someone admit to buying something at a MT store?
I am especially interested in where you got this idea that anything really cool in this game will be able to be store bought. They never said that and I would bet you $100 right now that its just plain not true.
From the CO forums. http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=23349 I know everyone has questions about microtransactions – what are they, how much are they, etc. I’m sorry we didn’t post something earlier; we’re really heads down in development right now. We’re going to release a WHOLE lot of information in the very near future about not just about microtransactions, but pricing in general. That said, here’s some basic principles about microtransactions to at least answer some of your concerns: 1) Microtransactions enable us to have a larger development team
2) Microtransactions are mostly aesthetic (costume pieces, pets, etc.)
3) If a microtransaction does have any sort of in game effect, then it can be also be earned in game. I promise we'll read this thread, note any questions, and answer them more in depth soon. Heck, I'll try to answer the easy ones today/tomorrow/this week.
This payment model would make SOE blush. It's just money grubbing BS. MT allows them to have a larger team for what? To develop more MT content? lol pathetic.
So, anything really cool in this game (cool enough to spend RL money on that is) will be able to be store bought? Consider my interest in this joke of a shallow ez mode MMO arcade game finally dead. I hope you suckers that buy into it enjoy being nickeld and dimed to death. If I want a decent superhero MMO I would rather just stick with CoX. Honestly.
And before I get the 100 "I play MT games but I don't spend a dime" replies to this, let me just ask how come anyone who ever posts in support of MT ingame shops never actually admit to every actually spending any money..? Makes you wonder how these Devs make any money at all heh.
People, walk away from it, please. Supporting Cryptic on this is killing the very thing that has made the great games of the past worth playing. You are just helping to destroy the challenge of gaming by showing them that this is the way to go.
Play to achieve, NOT Pay to achieve.
Of all people, vesavius, I didn't think you'd be the one to jump to these kinds of conclusions. You do know that CoX has MT's with game effecting items, right? Cryptic's announcement says that anything game effecting would be available in the game. That makes it better than the one used in CoX since you can't get things like Self Destruct from within CoX.
Just because they have done it before doesn't make it right. Can you justify a murder because that person has killed before?
Did you know that people were really really pissed when SOE introduced micro transactions to EQ and EQ2?
Did you react this way when Blizzard released their game effecting card game that lets you buy epic mounts with real money? Right now I think its best to wait and see. I don't see any reason to jump off the deep end yet. I seriously doubt its going to be anything remotely resembling "pay to achieve".
A card game isn't microtransactions. A card game is a separate entity with the POSSIBILITY to win in game items. I don't think it's right, but it's not nearly as bad as buying items straight away.
I am especially interested in where you got this idea that anything really cool in this game will be able to be store bought. They never said that and I would bet you $100 right now that its just plain not true.
Why wouldn't they put it in the store? If they make something really cool, and there are suckers actually willing to pay extra real money on top of a monthly fee for that item, of course it will be in the store as that is more money for them.
I don't need to wait and see. I despise even the idea of microtransactions, RMT, or whatever, and will never participate in a game that contains them.
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Why wouldn't they put it in the store? If they make something really cool, and there are suckers actually willing to pay extra real money on top of a monthly fee for that item, of course it will be in the store as that is more money for them.
Using that logic can you explain why there aren't enhancement sets on the CoX store? Can you explain why there isn't any raid gear available from the WoW card game? Can you explain why SOE didn't put raid gear on their MT store?
No, you can't explain that because they know its not a good idea to do that sort of thing. I think you're letting paranoia get the better of you.
Why wouldn't they put it in the store? If they make something really cool, and there are suckers actually willing to pay extra real money on top of a monthly fee for that item, of course it will be in the store as that is more money for them.
Using that logic can you explain why there aren't enhancement sets on the CoX store? Can you explain why there isn't any raid gear available from the WoW card game? Can you explain why SOE didn't put raid gear on their MT store?
No, you can't explain that because they know its not a good idea to do that sort of thing. I think you're letting paranoia get the better of you.
It's all a balancing act and the skill of walking a very fine line. They have to distinguish how far they can go before they piss off too many people, and I can guarentee you they will continue to push that line with the good ole "foot in the door" method.
But, I took "cool item" as something aesthetic, not something functional.
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I Play PWI, and I still havent pay a single dollar, but right now Im thinking about it... why? the Player/CatShop/Boutique driven economy is thriving... let me explain, even to those who would NEVER try a Microtransactions GAME. I have bought from the Item Shop without expending real money, how? the players can BUY the Item Shop Currency (Gold) with game coin, so I can basically use my game money to buy from the boutique. Right now due to the interactions of discounts and desirable limited time available items at the store the Gold is booming, when i first tried the game the Gold was at about 120k a piece ($1.00) right now its at 150-160k tops and raising (Still $1, although last weekend the would give u 15% more gold for each $). Now the Item store has many things that are powerful and not available in the PvE game, BUT u can buy them from other players in Game Coin thru CatShops (player-owned shops).
I ENJOY the GAME, I have never tried P2P MMOs but r willing to. Do urself a favor and dont be so raDical, you might find a hidden jewel.
Why wouldn't they put it in the store? If they make something really cool, and there are suckers actually willing to pay extra real money on top of a monthly fee for that item, of course it will be in the store as that is more money for them.
Using that logic can you explain why there aren't enhancement sets on the CoX store? Can you explain why there isn't any raid gear available from the WoW card game? Can you explain why SOE didn't put raid gear on their MT store?
No, you can't explain that because they know its not a good idea to do that sort of thing. I think you're letting paranoia get the better of you.
It's all a balancing act and the skill of walking a very fine line. They have to distinguish how far they can go before they piss off too many people, and I can guarentee you they will continue to push that line with the good ole "foot in the door" method.
But, I took "cool item" as something aesthetic, not something functional.
Oh but SIR, in CO you can get items that are BOTH aesthetic AND functional.... AND PAY FOR THEM..... ....with money
From the CO forums. http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=23349 I know everyone has questions about microtransactions – what are they, how much are they, etc. I’m sorry we didn’t post something earlier; we’re really heads down in development right now. We’re going to release a WHOLE lot of information in the very near future about not just about microtransactions, but pricing in general. That said, here’s some basic principles about microtransactions to at least answer some of your concerns: 1) Microtransactions enable us to have a larger development team
2) Microtransactions are mostly aesthetic (costume pieces, pets, etc.)
3) If a microtransaction does have any sort of in game effect, then it can be also be earned in game. I promise we'll read this thread, note any questions, and answer them more in depth soon. Heck, I'll try to answer the easy ones today/tomorrow/this week.
This payment model would make SOE blush. It's just money grubbing BS. MT allows them to have a larger team for what? To develop more MT content? lol pathetic.
So, anything really cool in this game (cool enough to spend RL money on that is) will be able to be store bought? Consider my interest in this joke of a shallow ez mode MMO arcade game finally dead. I hope you suckers that buy into it enjoy being nickeld and dimed to death. If I want a decent superhero MMO I would rather just stick with CoX. Honestly.
And before I get the 100 "I play MT games but I don't spend a dime" replies to this, let me just ask how come anyone who ever posts in support of MT ingame shops never actually admit to every actually spending any money..? Makes you wonder how these Devs make any money at all heh.
People, walk away from it, please. Supporting Cryptic on this is killing the very thing that has made the great games of the past worth playing. You are just helping to destroy the challenge of gaming by showing them that this is the way to go.
Play to achieve, NOT Pay to achieve.
Of all people, vesavius, I didn't think you'd be the one to jump to these kinds of conclusions. You do know that CoX has MT's with game effecting items, right?
I do... sure... but I don't see how that affects my basic hatred of Pay to Achieve 'gaming'?
I don't play CoX either, and havent for a long while, well before any MT was present. I was really just saying there that looking at what CO is offering I would rather just play CoX based on depth and content. I can see how I wasnt clear though, so I apologise for muddying the water and causing confusion.
With all respect though Aganizer, because I like the way you post even if we don't see eye to eye on this, but I don't think I have jumped to any conclusions at all... everything I have commented on has been based on the official statement.
Cryptic's announcement says that anything game effecting would be available in the game. That makes it better than the one used in CoX since you can't get things like Self Destruct from within CoX.
'Better' or 'worse' then CoX's, I don't really care in all honesty. I am anti MT pay to achieve in any form in gaming, and have been since it started to raise it's ugly head.
Did you react this way when Blizzard released their game effecting card game that lets you buy epic mounts with real money?
Yep, and also when LoN did more or less the same thing. I don't defend any company or game using pay to achieve sales models.
Right now I think its best to wait and see.
They have declared openly their intention to have game altering gear and whatever in the item shop, and thats enough for me. I don't think I am judging them unfairly at all or too soon. I was a massive Cryptic fan a few years back, but I won't support any company that has in game rewards for sale for RL money.
I don't see any reason to jump off the deep end yet. I seriously doubt its going to be anything remotely resembling "pay to achieve".
This is obviously exactly that though;
"3) If a microtransaction does have any sort of in game effect, then it can be also be earned in game."
By definition.
I have bought a cyborg pack and a server transfer in CoX. I have bought a mount in Runes of Magic. Does it make you feel better to see someone admit to buying something at a MT store?
A server transfer isnt an ingame item, so thats a meta out of play service to me and fine, but yeah it is refreshing for someone to actually admit taking the pay to achieve route for mounts and whatever. Like I said, not many do... most who defend the revenue model are obviously also pretty embarressed by the fact they spend money on worthless virtual items in order to compete with their peers.
I am especially interested in where you got this idea that anything really cool in this game will be able to be store bought. They never said that and I would bet you $100 right now that its just plain not true.
"3) If a microtransaction does have any sort of in game effect, then it can be also be earned in game."
I am especially interested in where you got this idea that anything really cool in this game will be able to be store bought. They never said that and I would bet you $100 right now that its just plain not true. "3) If a microtransaction does have any sort of in game effect, then it can be also be earned in game." I will take that bet.
You made it sound like you'll be able to buy "anything" in the MT shop which is obviously not going to happen.
I think a lot of people hear "in game effect" and start jumping to conclusions like its going to be epic gear for rich kids, or essential healing pots required for progress. Maybe people are affraid that your money can buy you an "I win" button for any fight, free resurects, or some overpowered superpower.
I am about 99% sure that what they mean by "game effect" are novelty effects. Things like that jet pack that you could get in CoX for $5/mo that lets you fly from level 1. Nevermind that every character starts with a slower jet pack or that you get a flight temporary power after your first bank robery. There was a self destruct power that came with the Cyborg Pack. I never once saw a use for it in any day to day combat, but I fell out of my chair laughing when I accidentally hit it once while in a group on a mission.
Those were fluff items that don't "achieve" anything for the player. Cryptic is promising that even if they were to have anything like that on the MT shop that we would be able to earn it in the game as well. That is great because now I have even less reason to ever make a MT.
The character designer is already going to be more diverse and capable than anything we have ever seen before in the entire history of MMORPG's. Who really cares if there are a couple costume packs that people with $5 burning a hole in their pocket can buy? If someone really wants to support Cryptic and give them more money that they can spend making CO into a better game, then that's great. I encourage people to do so. Its a heluva lot better than giving your money to a chinese gold farmer or an ebay auction selling a WoW TCG epic mount. At least with a MT shop the money is going into the right hands.
But hey, if you're just fundamentally against an MT shop then that's cool. I draw the line at the point when they make the MT shop have essential items or if they throw it in your face all the time. As long as they don't do that, then I think its great to give rich people and outlet for investing in the games I play. It can only make the game better.
The funny thing is that MT's aside I spent more on 'extra' stuff for WoW than I did for any other MMORPG. That was due entirely to them selling expansions rather than just incrementally adding content to the game. Either way, the owning company's goal is to part the customers from their money. MTs are just another way to skin that cat.
It'll be interesting to see if they manage to make enough from item sales to make up for all the people who would have played but won't because of the microtransactions.
Half a dozen avid forum participants you mean? I can't honestly see the vast majority of gamers out there giving two hoots about it. We'll just have to see how it all works out. Personally, I'm going to give CO a try, just got very tired of CoX, hoping for something a little different this time round.
Cryptic thanks you in advance for your sheep-like qualities. And trust me, you're already "that guy." It has nothing to do with high rolling in a video game, but still.
im not going to try and waste my time with some moral video game crusade...its a game, 5 bucks here or there isnt going to break the bank.
im still running through with what the game has to offer, it looks fun.
people can complain all they want in these forums...doesnt change a thing :l
Greedy capitalists are always quick to redraw moral boundaries. Thank God they weren't the ones to ruin our economy.......oh wait.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with standing up for your morals, no matter how cheap it might be to ignore them. Profit has become the new God and there is no room for morals where it is worshipped.
getting moral and political on me now...crack open a history book(of any nation)and youll see that the "system" has been pimped since pimpin was pimpin was pimpin....
at least its not like the TCG(SWG's bastard micro trans.)where you throw your cash at a lottos chance for the nice stuff.
show your concern with your wallet and see how fast the CO ship sinks...and stop worrying about my "budget"
It'll be interesting to see if they manage to make enough from item sales to make up for all the people who would have played but won't because of the microtransactions.
Half a dozen avid forum participants you mean? I can't honestly see the vast majority of gamers out there giving two hoots about it. We'll just have to see how it all works out. Personally, I'm going to give CO a try, just got very tired of CoX, hoping for something a little different this time round.
Secondly, many MMO gamers in North America and Europe accept and like the idea of monthly subscriptions and the type of gameplay that model involves. Conversely, many of these gamers don't like the idea of micro-transactions and sale of virtual currency/items.
It'll be interesting to see if they manage to make enough from item sales to make up for all the people who would have played but won't because of the microtransactions.
Half a dozen avid forum participants you mean? I can't honestly see the vast majority of gamers out there giving two hoots about it. We'll just have to see how it all works out. Personally, I'm going to give CO a try, just got very tired of CoX, hoping for something a little different this time round.
Secondly, many MMO gamers in North America and Europe accept and like the idea of monthly subscriptions and the type of gameplay that model involves. Conversely, many of these gamers don't like the idea of micro-transactions and sale of virtual currency/items.
LOL They used the word 'many' - what does that tell you? Apart from the fact that they have no useful stats to prove their assertions. If they said 50% of the gamers we talked to hate micro-transactions we'd have something to use. As it is, they could be talking about three gamers or three million...a completely useless paragraph.
Here is an interesting article saying that half of MMO gamers have bought virtual stuff before. Its no wonder that nearly every MMOG is starting to have a RMT shop in one form or another.
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excuse me but i've already paid for my peanut butter cups and pepsi - - - see, here is my receipt for $14.95
got it yet?
Erm glad some people are happy to be so free with their cash for me its a choice of product rather than heck Ill have everything, some families are on a budget and I find it so disgraceful some young punks with their salary they earn while living with mum and not paying rent can afford what they like. For the rest of us there is a budget for entertainment of which games come under.
As much as I disagree with their choice of a RMT option and think its money grabbing, I cant see them putting overpowered cash shop items in for the simple reason it would lose them more customers than gain. A lot of people would immediately quit if it was a case of having to spend real money on progression as well as paying a sub fee, and I cant see Cryptic being that stupid.
City of Heroes has MTs, and some are game changing but not to a point where they give you a significant advantage over others, for example the little teleporter to take you to an active quest. If it were in champs it wouldnt suddenly make you overpowered, and it would also be available somewhere in game as well.
Its best to wait and see whats in store (no pun intended) rather than getting too heated. I for one wont be paying a penny to the RMTs and like the majority of people, will vote with my wallet if Cryptic ever introduced advantage giving MT items. But as i said, I cant see them commiting game suicide like that.
So yet another game after Chronicles of Spellborn and Star Trek copies D&D Online new model
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I think it's good, new DDO starts on 6th of August (week from now!), and those companies will get people used to this model even more. It's not a competition for DDO though, so it won't affect that game negatively - rather positively.
Response to this model in DDO Beta was overwhelmingly good. The way Turbine implemented it for real is simply genious. So logical and easy that one wonders why no one did it before them.
So Turbine and DDO are innovators again : ). Nice to see it. Wish you luck and great fun in Champions guys, I just prefer fantasy genre to comic genre MMOs, that's all.
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Not the same model, not at all. You are required to pay the 15 bucks a month plus there is a MT store.
What?? You must pay subscription and still have Store in game?
Ok, so I read it wrong, my fault
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What?? You must pay subscription and still have Store in game?
Ok, so I read it wrong, my fault
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Understandable, because it's freaking crazy. No one would assume they were doing both.
Hmm.. I hadn't seen that it was confirmed $15 by NCSoft, link? Sorry if I missed this, I was kind of waiting to hear about it. I was hoping they would back off the $15 b/c they had a mall. If they in fact do charge $15/month and have a mall, this could make things bad. $10/month and a limited mall, probably not an issue for me, but $15 (competing with non-mall MMO's) is very bold.
so...
Fix that for ya.
Tho there is no offical word on it, alot of sites are selling 60 day game cards for CO for $29.99.
This payment model would make SOE blush. It's just money grubbing BS. MT allows them to have a larger team for what? To develop more MT content? lol pathetic.
So, anything really cool in this game (cool enough to spend RL money on that is) will be able to be store bought? Consider my interest in this joke of a shallow ez mode MMO arcade game finally dead. I hope you suckers that buy into it enjoy being nickeld and dimed to death. If I want a decent superhero MMO I would rather just stick with CoX. Honestly.
And before I get the 100 "I play MT games but I don't spend a dime" replies to this, let me just ask how come anyone who ever posts in support of MT ingame shops never actually admit to every actually spending any money..? Makes you wonder how these Devs make any money at all heh.
People, walk away from it, please. Supporting Cryptic on this is killing the very thing that has made the great games of the past worth playing. You are just helping to destroy the challenge of gaming by showing them that this is the way to go.
Play to achieve, NOT Pay to achieve.
Did you even read the original statement? Best go back to page 1 for another look tbh.
It's obvious what Craptic are relying on for this to work from posts like this.
This payment model would make SOE blush. It's just money grubbing BS. MT allows them to have a larger team for what? To develop more MT content? lol pathetic.
So, anything really cool in this game (cool enough to spend RL money on that is) will be able to be store bought? Consider my interest in this joke of a shallow ez mode MMO arcade game finally dead. I hope you suckers that buy into it enjoy being nickeld and dimed to death. If I want a decent superhero MMO I would rather just stick with CoX. Honestly.
And before I get the 100 "I play MT games but I don't spend a dime" replies to this, let me just ask how come anyone who ever posts in support of MT ingame shops never actually admit to every actually spending any money..? Makes you wonder how these Devs make any money at all heh.
People, walk away from it, please. Supporting Cryptic on this is killing the very thing that has made the great games of the past worth playing. You are just helping to destroy the challenge of gaming by showing them that this is the way to go.
Play to achieve, NOT Pay to achieve.
Of all people, vesavius, I didn't think you'd be the one to jump to these kinds of conclusions. You do know that CoX has MT's with game effecting items, right? Cryptic's announcement says that anything game effecting would be available in the game. That makes it better than the one used in CoX since you can't get things like Self Destruct from within CoX.
Did you know that EQ and EQ2 have microtransactions?
Did you react this way when Blizzard released their game effecting card game that lets you buy epic mounts with real money? Right now I think its best to wait and see. I don't see any reason to jump off the deep end yet. I seriously doubt its going to be anything remotely resembling "pay to achieve".
I have bought a cyborg pack and a server transfer in CoX. I have bought a mount in Runes of Magic. Does it make you feel better to see someone admit to buying something at a MT store?
I am especially interested in where you got this idea that anything really cool in this game will be able to be store bought. They never said that and I would bet you $100 right now that its just plain not true.
This payment model would make SOE blush. It's just money grubbing BS. MT allows them to have a larger team for what? To develop more MT content? lol pathetic.
So, anything really cool in this game (cool enough to spend RL money on that is) will be able to be store bought? Consider my interest in this joke of a shallow ez mode MMO arcade game finally dead. I hope you suckers that buy into it enjoy being nickeld and dimed to death. If I want a decent superhero MMO I would rather just stick with CoX. Honestly.
And before I get the 100 "I play MT games but I don't spend a dime" replies to this, let me just ask how come anyone who ever posts in support of MT ingame shops never actually admit to every actually spending any money..? Makes you wonder how these Devs make any money at all heh.
People, walk away from it, please. Supporting Cryptic on this is killing the very thing that has made the great games of the past worth playing. You are just helping to destroy the challenge of gaming by showing them that this is the way to go.
Play to achieve, NOT Pay to achieve.
Of all people, vesavius, I didn't think you'd be the one to jump to these kinds of conclusions. You do know that CoX has MT's with game effecting items, right? Cryptic's announcement says that anything game effecting would be available in the game. That makes it better than the one used in CoX since you can't get things like Self Destruct from within CoX.
Just because they have done it before doesn't make it right. Can you justify a murder because that person has killed before?
Did you know that EQ and EQ2 have microtransactions?
Did you know that people were really really pissed when SOE introduced micro transactions to EQ and EQ2?
Did you react this way when Blizzard released their game effecting card game that lets you buy epic mounts with real money? Right now I think its best to wait and see. I don't see any reason to jump off the deep end yet. I seriously doubt its going to be anything remotely resembling "pay to achieve".
A card game isn't microtransactions. A card game is a separate entity with the POSSIBILITY to win in game items. I don't think it's right, but it's not nearly as bad as buying items straight away.
I am especially interested in where you got this idea that anything really cool in this game will be able to be store bought. They never said that and I would bet you $100 right now that its just plain not true.
Why wouldn't they put it in the store? If they make something really cool, and there are suckers actually willing to pay extra real money on top of a monthly fee for that item, of course it will be in the store as that is more money for them.
I don't need to wait and see. I despise even the idea of microtransactions, RMT, or whatever, and will never participate in a game that contains them.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Using that logic can you explain why there aren't enhancement sets on the CoX store? Can you explain why there isn't any raid gear available from the WoW card game? Can you explain why SOE didn't put raid gear on their MT store?
No, you can't explain that because they know its not a good idea to do that sort of thing. I think you're letting paranoia get the better of you.
Using that logic can you explain why there aren't enhancement sets on the CoX store? Can you explain why there isn't any raid gear available from the WoW card game? Can you explain why SOE didn't put raid gear on their MT store?
No, you can't explain that because they know its not a good idea to do that sort of thing. I think you're letting paranoia get the better of you.
It's all a balancing act and the skill of walking a very fine line. They have to distinguish how far they can go before they piss off too many people, and I can guarentee you they will continue to push that line with the good ole "foot in the door" method.
But, I took "cool item" as something aesthetic, not something functional.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
I Play PWI, and I still havent pay a single dollar, but right now Im thinking about it... why? the Player/CatShop/Boutique driven economy is thriving... let me explain, even to those who would NEVER try a Microtransactions GAME. I have bought from the Item Shop without expending real money, how? the players can BUY the Item Shop Currency (Gold) with game coin, so I can basically use my game money to buy from the boutique. Right now due to the interactions of discounts and desirable limited time available items at the store the Gold is booming, when i first tried the game the Gold was at about 120k a piece ($1.00) right now its at 150-160k tops and raising (Still $1, although last weekend the would give u 15% more gold for each $). Now the Item store has many things that are powerful and not available in the PvE game, BUT u can buy them from other players in Game Coin thru CatShops (player-owned shops).
I ENJOY the GAME, I have never tried P2P MMOs but r willing to. Do urself a favor and dont be so raDical, you might find a hidden jewel.
People act like this isn't how life works...
Go buy a new car, want all the options? You pay extra for it...
Goto a Movie, want popcorn or a soda? You pay extra for it...
Goto Dinner, want desert? You pay extra for it....
Got cable TV? Want HBO, ST or pay preview? You guessed it you pay extra for it...
I could go on and on ...
Using that logic can you explain why there aren't enhancement sets on the CoX store? Can you explain why there isn't any raid gear available from the WoW card game? Can you explain why SOE didn't put raid gear on their MT store?
No, you can't explain that because they know its not a good idea to do that sort of thing. I think you're letting paranoia get the better of you.
It's all a balancing act and the skill of walking a very fine line. They have to distinguish how far they can go before they piss off too many people, and I can guarentee you they will continue to push that line with the good ole "foot in the door" method.
But, I took "cool item" as something aesthetic, not something functional.
Oh but SIR, in CO you can get items that are BOTH aesthetic AND functional.... AND PAY FOR THEM..... ....with money
This payment model would make SOE blush. It's just money grubbing BS. MT allows them to have a larger team for what? To develop more MT content? lol pathetic.
So, anything really cool in this game (cool enough to spend RL money on that is) will be able to be store bought? Consider my interest in this joke of a shallow ez mode MMO arcade game finally dead. I hope you suckers that buy into it enjoy being nickeld and dimed to death. If I want a decent superhero MMO I would rather just stick with CoX. Honestly.
And before I get the 100 "I play MT games but I don't spend a dime" replies to this, let me just ask how come anyone who ever posts in support of MT ingame shops never actually admit to every actually spending any money..? Makes you wonder how these Devs make any money at all heh.
People, walk away from it, please. Supporting Cryptic on this is killing the very thing that has made the great games of the past worth playing. You are just helping to destroy the challenge of gaming by showing them that this is the way to go.
Play to achieve, NOT Pay to achieve.
Of all people, vesavius, I didn't think you'd be the one to jump to these kinds of conclusions. You do know that CoX has MT's with game effecting items, right?
I do... sure... but I don't see how that affects my basic hatred of Pay to Achieve 'gaming'?
I don't play CoX either, and havent for a long while, well before any MT was present. I was really just saying there that looking at what CO is offering I would rather just play CoX based on depth and content. I can see how I wasnt clear though, so I apologise for muddying the water and causing confusion.
With all respect though Aganizer, because I like the way you post even if we don't see eye to eye on this, but I don't think I have jumped to any conclusions at all... everything I have commented on has been based on the official statement.
Cryptic's announcement says that anything game effecting would be available in the game. That makes it better than the one used in CoX since you can't get things like Self Destruct from within CoX.
'Better' or 'worse' then CoX's, I don't really care in all honesty. I am anti MT pay to achieve in any form in gaming, and have been since it started to raise it's ugly head.
Did you know that EQ and EQ2 have microtransactions?
I do, and I last left EQ2 because of it.
Did you react this way when Blizzard released their game effecting card game that lets you buy epic mounts with real money?
Yep, and also when LoN did more or less the same thing. I don't defend any company or game using pay to achieve sales models.
Right now I think its best to wait and see.
They have declared openly their intention to have game altering gear and whatever in the item shop, and thats enough for me. I don't think I am judging them unfairly at all or too soon. I was a massive Cryptic fan a few years back, but I won't support any company that has in game rewards for sale for RL money.
I don't see any reason to jump off the deep end yet. I seriously doubt its going to be anything remotely resembling "pay to achieve".
This is obviously exactly that though;
"3) If a microtransaction does have any sort of in game effect, then it can be also be earned in game."
By definition.
I have bought a cyborg pack and a server transfer in CoX. I have bought a mount in Runes of Magic. Does it make you feel better to see someone admit to buying something at a MT store?
A server transfer isnt an ingame item, so thats a meta out of play service to me and fine, but yeah it is refreshing for someone to actually admit taking the pay to achieve route for mounts and whatever. Like I said, not many do... most who defend the revenue model are obviously also pretty embarressed by the fact they spend money on worthless virtual items in order to compete with their peers.
I am especially interested in where you got this idea that anything really cool in this game will be able to be store bought. They never said that and I would bet you $100 right now that its just plain not true.
"3) If a microtransaction does have any sort of in game effect, then it can be also be earned in game."
I will take that bet.
You made it sound like you'll be able to buy "anything" in the MT shop which is obviously not going to happen.
I think a lot of people hear "in game effect" and start jumping to conclusions like its going to be epic gear for rich kids, or essential healing pots required for progress. Maybe people are affraid that your money can buy you an "I win" button for any fight, free resurects, or some overpowered superpower.
I am about 99% sure that what they mean by "game effect" are novelty effects. Things like that jet pack that you could get in CoX for $5/mo that lets you fly from level 1. Nevermind that every character starts with a slower jet pack or that you get a flight temporary power after your first bank robery. There was a self destruct power that came with the Cyborg Pack. I never once saw a use for it in any day to day combat, but I fell out of my chair laughing when I accidentally hit it once while in a group on a mission.
Those were fluff items that don't "achieve" anything for the player. Cryptic is promising that even if they were to have anything like that on the MT shop that we would be able to earn it in the game as well. That is great because now I have even less reason to ever make a MT.
The character designer is already going to be more diverse and capable than anything we have ever seen before in the entire history of MMORPG's. Who really cares if there are a couple costume packs that people with $5 burning a hole in their pocket can buy? If someone really wants to support Cryptic and give them more money that they can spend making CO into a better game, then that's great. I encourage people to do so. Its a heluva lot better than giving your money to a chinese gold farmer or an ebay auction selling a WoW TCG epic mount. At least with a MT shop the money is going into the right hands.
But hey, if you're just fundamentally against an MT shop then that's cool. I draw the line at the point when they make the MT shop have essential items or if they throw it in your face all the time. As long as they don't do that, then I think its great to give rich people and outlet for investing in the games I play. It can only make the game better.
The funny thing is that MT's aside I spent more on 'extra' stuff for WoW than I did for any other MMORPG. That was due entirely to them selling expansions rather than just incrementally adding content to the game. Either way, the owning company's goal is to part the customers from their money. MTs are just another way to skin that cat.
Half a dozen avid forum participants you mean? I can't honestly see the vast majority of gamers out there giving two hoots about it. We'll just have to see how it all works out. Personally, I'm going to give CO a try, just got very tired of CoX, hoping for something a little different this time round.
im not going to try and waste my time with some moral video game crusade...its a game, 5 bucks here or there isnt going to break the bank.
im still running through with what the game has to offer, it looks fun.
people can complain all they want in these forums...doesnt change a thing :l
Greedy capitalists are always quick to redraw moral boundaries. Thank God they weren't the ones to ruin our economy.......oh wait.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with standing up for your morals, no matter how cheap it might be to ignore them. Profit has become the new God and there is no room for morals where it is worshipped.
getting moral and political on me now...crack open a history book(of any nation)and youll see that the "system" has been pimped since pimpin was pimpin was pimpin....
at least its not like the TCG(SWG's bastard micro trans.)where you throw your cash at a lottos chance for the nice stuff.
show your concern with your wallet and see how fast the CO ship sinks...and stop worrying about my "budget"
Half a dozen avid forum participants you mean? I can't honestly see the vast majority of gamers out there giving two hoots about it. We'll just have to see how it all works out. Personally, I'm going to give CO a try, just got very tired of CoX, hoping for something a little different this time round.
Yeah...
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23003
Secondly, many MMO gamers in North America and Europe accept and like the idea of monthly subscriptions and the type of gameplay that model involves. Conversely, many of these gamers don't like the idea of micro-transactions and sale of virtual currency/items.
Half a dozen avid forum participants you mean? I can't honestly see the vast majority of gamers out there giving two hoots about it. We'll just have to see how it all works out. Personally, I'm going to give CO a try, just got very tired of CoX, hoping for something a little different this time round.
Yeah...
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23003
Secondly, many MMO gamers in North America and Europe accept and like the idea of monthly subscriptions and the type of gameplay that model involves. Conversely, many of these gamers don't like the idea of micro-transactions and sale of virtual currency/items.
LOL They used the word 'many' - what does that tell you? Apart from the fact that they have no useful stats to prove their assertions. If they said 50% of the gamers we talked to hate micro-transactions we'd have something to use. As it is, they could be talking about three gamers or three million...a completely useless paragraph.
Here is an interesting article saying that half of MMO gamers have bought virtual stuff before. Its no wonder that nearly every MMOG is starting to have a RMT shop in one form or another.