Because you play Horde you call people that like Lotro Gay? you're a messed up dude. you dont happen to live in the South US or one of the middles states do you?
Woah. A pretty broad stroke. Is it because there is less gayness in those places?
No, its probably because those places stll live in the 19th century......
But that's the thing, WAR is not better than Wow, not when you compare the entire package. Does it do PvP better than WoW. Yes it does. But as a whole it doesn't do a whole lot of other things better than WoW. See here is the problem and this applies to the OP. He says he's been playing WoW for 3+ years. Well when you been playing something for that long, you get used to the way things are in that game and expect that some type of polish in the next game. You expect the game to not be a grind because it never felt like a grind in WoW. If it did you wouldn't have played WoW for 3+ years. My point is how does the OP make the determination that Aion is a better game than WoW when he's only played the beta? He played and (obviously) enjoyed WoW for 3+ years and all of a sudden a game with flashy graphics is going to be the end all because he played it on a weekend? What happens when he gets into the meat of the game in Aion and realizes that there isn't much more substance to what he saw in the beta? What happens when he's 6 months into Aion and realizes that PvP in the Abyss is boring as hell since it's the same crap over and over? Maybe that won't happen, but it usually does because we've seen it now with every other game that has launched since WoW launched.
Of course,
What you wrote Sir is about the exact synthesis of what makes Blizzard having 60% of the marketshare with western subs based MMO's (not even talking about the inflated almost free to play internet café numbers on that strange planet called China).
The so called WOW competitors are making it Blizzard SOOOOO easy to maintain momentum.
It is as if these guys are PAID by Blizzard to push the duds over to the players one by one.
And in fact it gets ... worse and worse.
Instead of opening up NEW MMO games, they make exact copies of the perfect game that is already being made for >5 years.
Every single person that plays WOW KNOWS what the best game is out there.
The rest is peanuts. We are talking of 0.1 to 1.3% of WOW markets.
And still people (like the OP) think they could be taken seriously.
Comon guys: stop fooling yourlselves: YOU ALL play WOW and stop being frustrated by it.
It is the best you can get. Period.
Or ... is there somebody else hiding in the closet BETTER and with MORE money than Blizzard. Of course not.
We all know why Blizzard has more subs, because the game is average at everything and very easy for the non-gamer and Wii crowd.
This doesn;t mean WoW is a better game just appeals to more. Shit dude I prefer WAR and Lotro over WoW.
You use sub numbers all the time but if we broke down the games bit by bit everyone would see how lame WoW is.
Forced Arena pvp for gear and Forced 25 man raiding are the only ways to really get good shit in the game. How many stale dungeons or instance pvp arenas can we fight in before we get fucking bored? Atleast WAR has different pvp instanced mini-games and world pvp to keep me from getting bored what does WoW offer?
5 Bgs and some boxed arenas? its limited. Oh and wintergrasp looking at the same fucking zone all day doesnt get lame nope!
WoW not just appeals to the Wii crowd it appeals to the hard core gamer. You're also incorrect that you are forced to do 25 man raiding. And don't start getting into the comparisons of what WoW offers vs. what WAR offers because you will lose that argument all the time. All I need to know about Warhammer is this. A good chunk of my server (I'm talking high end raiders) stopped playing WoW when WAR launched. For two months it was the greatest thing ever. Then after awhile Ulduar came out and alot of those playing WAR came back. What's funny is alot of the good things in WAR (PQ's for example) were actually it's downfall, since some servers were such ghost towns that players gave up in disgust. Not to mention the grind at higher levels.
It's funny you mention boredom because that was the chief complaint of why people left WAR in droves.
WAR is a pvp game! WAR is three things, pvp, PQs and the tome of knowledge. WAR kicks WoWs ass in pvp, in questing (due to PQs) and the ToK destroys the WoW achievements system. does wow do dungeons and raids better? yeah because WAR isnt a god damn pve game it only has the crap as a side game similar to how pvp was before blizzards awesome Idea to make wow an esport. I do agree with the getting used to a game thing however. But imo I feel players hold WoW to high up on the mmo totem pole. It really isnt as good as everyone tries to make it out to be. A game thats average in everyway gets really stale after a while. I would rather a game focus on something and keep refining it.
No it doesn't and people saw it and people left.
People left due to stability issues and the lack of pve something that was going to happen if they didnt want to pvp 24/7.
7 US WAr servers now from the initial 43 ....
Again its a pvp game, not everyone is going to want to pvp all day. Mythic was incredibly stupid with releasing so many servers they didnt make a jack of all trades mmo to support that many.
A Pvp game has .... fast controlled and fluid responsive actions of YOUR avatar. War didn't.
That's not true at all. war does have good combat system it enforces the rock,paper ,scissors mechanic where you have to know what targets you can fight and others you avoid. its alot better than everyone being a hybrid and OP.
A PvP game has a hard rated ladder competition with 200.000 dollars price money. Competition in and OUT of the game. War hadn't.
No thats a FPS Esport, these are MMOs and Blizzards push for an esport has ruined WoWs world pvp and BGs.
War didn't have the data mining from competitve Arena play... and the benefit of analysing class interactions of 3vs3 or 5vs5 in a FIXED setting.
WAR is a massive pvp game it doesnt have arena combat the classes arent designed for 1 on 1 or even small skirmish fights so that shit doesnt matter.
War didn't have those balancing data tools. And it showed.
People complain about WAR because they want to solo pvp and own everyone, its the same shit in every pvp game.
War didn't have the beautiful BG's. They had post stamped scenarios.
Are you crazy the only good WoW BG is AV, the rest are complete failures compared to WARs scenarios.
They lacked EVERYTHING WOW had and then Blizzard added leveling through PvP and Sieges WITHOUT knocking on a single door and with MOUNTED tanks.
WoW has one siege area thats already increadibly lame and boring! if they were smart every zone would have a wintergrasp in it. WAR siege is alot better you should have spent more time in the game and not on the forums blasting a game you really didnt play.
See?
No, You think arenas and real pvp and since wows characters can run faster you can it a real pvp game lol
See Already why WOW was by FAR the best game over WAR even in PvP.
Nope WAR stomps WoW into the ground in pvp, questing (PQs own phasing) and thwe Tok.
See? If you don't... you are blind.
No I don't WoW is a simple jack of all trades MMO and doesnt stack up to other pvp games.
PAID subs already speak the truth.
No it doesn't WoW is a jack of all trades fluke and very popular, shit most of the kiddies never played mmos before and now WoW is "cool" to play lol.
I'm disapointed in you zorn what an easy post to dismantle you're losing your touch.
WoW not just appeals to the Wii crowd it appeals to the hard core gamer. You're also incorrect that you are forced to do 25 man raiding. And don't start getting into the comparisons of what WoW offers vs. what WAR offers because you will lose that argument all the time. All I need to know about Warhammer is this. A good chunk of my server (I'm talking high end raiders) stopped playing WoW when WAR launched. For two months it was the greatest thing ever. Then after awhile Ulduar came out and alot of those playing WAR came back. What's funny is alot of the good things in WAR (PQ's for example) were actually it's downfall, since some servers were such ghost towns that players gave up in disgust. Not to mention the grind at higher levels. It's funny you mention boredom because that was the chief complaint of why people left WAR in droves.
Why are raiders leaving WoW ( a clearly dominant pve game compared to WAR) for WAR?
Jesus do WoW players have a brain?
Again people left WAR due to stability issues and not really liking to pvp 24/7.
You dont create a mostly pvp game if you want jack of all trades sub numbers mythis was dumb for thinking they could reach the wow kids.
Because you play Horde you call people that like Lotro Gay? you're a messed up dude. you dont happen to live in the South US or one of the middles states do you?
Woah. A pretty broad stroke. Is it because there is less gayness in those places?
No, its probably because those places stll live in the 19th century......
I live in NYC we like everyone here and wouldnt call fans of a beloved fantasy franchise GAY!
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
IlgauskasLineage II CorrespondentMemberUncommonPosts: 58
Originally posted by Zorndorf
Originally posted by greymann
Originally posted by JGMIII
Because you play Horde you call people that like Lotro Gay? you're a messed up dude. you dont happen to live in the South US or one of the middles states do you?
Woah. A pretty broad stroke. Is it because there is less gayness in those places?
JGMIII does NOT only have problems with Wow, that's very clear.
But aside from this.... it is always the same.
They are called JGM or the OP.
They play (and supposedly enjoy) WOW for many many moons and then they need to spit the game (and its players !) in the face.
Sad really.
Blizzard deserves respect for delivering FUN to us.
I don't have ANY respect for people who spit in the face of old loves.
Zorndorf. Can you stop spiting at other forum users? They don't even insult you. It seems that you hate all the world. Firstly the editor then the OP and JGM. If they have other opinion than you, they are bad/evil/troll and so on. Zorndorf, that's pathetic. Stop littering the forums with such "hate" posts because they may damage the reputation of the forum in the long run.
I am not defending JGM specifically, but actually I'm tired of pointless flaming and claiming that WOW is the HOLY GRAIL of MMO's. And actually everyone is. No, I'm NOT a WoW hater, but please respect others. Thank you.
Because you play Horde you call people that like Lotro Gay? you're a messed up dude. you dont happen to live in the South US or one of the middles states do you?
Woah. A pretty broad stroke. Is it because there is less gayness in those places?
JGMIII does NOT only have problems with Wow, that's very clear.
But aside from this.... it is always the same.
They are called JGM or the OP.
They play (and supposedly enjoy) WOW for many many moons and then they need to spit the game (and its players !) in the face.
Sad really.
Blizzard deserves respect for delivering FUN to us.
I don't have ANY respect for people who spit in the face of old loves.
Zorndorf. Can you stop spiting at other forum users? They don't even insult you. It seems that you hate all the world. Firstly the editor then the OP and JGM. If they have other opinion than you, they are bad/evil/troll and so on. Zorndorf, that's pathetic. Stop littering the forums with such "hate" posts because they may damage the reputation of the forum in the long run.
I am not defending JGM specifically, but actually I'm tired of pointless flaming and claiming that WOW is the HOLY GRAIL of MMO's. And actually everyone is. No, I'm NOT a WoW hater, but please respect others. Thank you.
LOL me an zorn get into this shit everyonce in a while.
Normally ill own his face and he will leave with a sub number remark.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
IlgauskasLineage II CorrespondentMemberUncommonPosts: 58
Originally posted by JGMIII
Originally posted by Ilgauskas
Originally posted by Zorndorf
Originally posted by greymann
Originally posted by JGMIII
Because you play Horde you call people that like Lotro Gay? you're a messed up dude. you dont happen to live in the South US or one of the middles states do you?
Woah. A pretty broad stroke. Is it because there is less gayness in those places?
JGMIII does NOT only have problems with Wow, that's very clear.
But aside from this.... it is always the same.
They are called JGM or the OP.
They play (and supposedly enjoy) WOW for many many moons and then they need to spit the game (and its players !) in the face.
Sad really.
Blizzard deserves respect for delivering FUN to us.
I don't have ANY respect for people who spit in the face of old loves.
Zorndorf. Can you stop spiting at other forum users? They don't even insult you. It seems that you hate all the world. Firstly the editor then the OP and JGM. If they have other opinion than you, they are bad/evil/troll and so on. Zorndorf, that's pathetic. Stop littering the forums with such "hate" posts because they may damage the reputation of the forum in the long run.
I am not defending JGM specifically, but actually I'm tired of pointless flaming and claiming that WOW is the HOLY GRAIL of MMO's. And actually everyone is. No, I'm NOT a WoW hater, but please respect others. Thank you.
LOL me an zorn get into this shit everyonce in a while.
Normally ill own his face and he will leave with a sub number remark.
I know. I'm a long time forum reader. I told him my arguments of WoW superiority. Yet they remained unanswered. Anyway, such an attitude of Zorn is unacceptable in normal forums and it should be dealt with.
It's the same story all the time. Some new game gets ready to be released and we start seeing articles on how great this new game is in beta and how it will be the WoW killer and me and my 100 guildmates are quitting WoW and joining 'new game'. Then 6 months passes, the new game isn't so new anymore, there isn't as much content being added, it's not as much fun playing an alt, etc. Meanwhile, Blizzard keeps on chugging along, Blizzcon or some other trade shows comes along and they tease with a new expansion. Little by little that guy who moved over with his 100 guildmates starts to see less and less of his guild online. Then Blizzard releases a major patch prior to the expansion, more guildies start coming back. Then the expansion is launched and what was once 100 guildmates is now 10-15 (you know, those that are the hardcore PvP'ers). It amazes me that there are people to come to this website still being delusional that somehow, someway it will be different this time. And that you can make that determination by just playing the beta. Never played the end-game, where a successfull game retains a majority of it's players. We saw this with WAR (remember, that was supposed to be THE GAME, you know, because it's Warhammer). We saw it with AoC (forgetting it was Funcom running the game). Now we see it with Aion. I'm sure we'll see it Star Wars whenever Bioware gets around to releasing it. I'm happy the OP likes Aion. I'm not surprised that he's bored with WoW, most are. But lets not kid ourselves. It's just temporary. It's ALWAYS temporary. It's been temporary for 5 years now. It's going to continue to be temporary for the forseeable future. The haters don't want to hear that. They want a replacement NOW. That fine. Good luck with your replacement. When Emerald Dream launches with new races, a new continent and a bunch of other stuff, I'm sure Blizzard will welcome you (and your subscription dollars) back. Remember, it's not personal.
The OP isn;t saying the game will kill WoW.
He's just saying Aion is a much better game for him and tbh WAR is a better game than WoW.
If they got rid of the shitty stability issues the game would be fantastic, it has better classes, better instanced pvp and better world pvp and the quests are similar and graphics are better.
Nothing is going to kill wow, we all know the average sub for every MMO is around 150k and thats where every game falls with the exception of FFXI and Eve (300-400k subs).
Alot of the games people called "wow killer" are actually alot better than world of warcraft its just these games are a niche and not a jack of all trades that appeals to non-gamers.
niche game is a nice way of saying that the developers were too poor or too lazy to implement more than few interesting game mechanics. For instance u have eve, the developers just put in more zones with a copy paste backround and call in content. If they took some time and money and put in some immersions it would be alot better. The same things is with aion. They took the face maker from oblivion and the graphics design of fable, and then they made a crappy world full of invisible walls and blured light effects. Its not even open world. Have you seen the starting area or played through it? Its a long S shaped path and when you make it to the end of it you get your wings. You wanna fly from the starting area over the mountains to some other area... well guess what u cant cause there is a huge invisible wall over the mountains and u can only fly for a minute. This game is far more theme park like and linear than wow ever thought about being. At least in wow if wanna climb the mountains in crossroads and jump to your death in duskwallow marsh you are free to do so. In aion u can even jump over some step rails.
not to mention that u cant swim and the youngest male voice is done but the guy that did prince zuko of avatar the last airbender.(both of these really get me)
Copy and pasting content? you play WoW and you say eves developers copy and paste content? how many times have you fought the same mob skin over and over again? how many lame dungeons will blizzard release with reused raid strats?
LOL I don;t even care for Aion tbh, What i can relate to is the OPs dislike for WoW wich I totally agree with.
And no niche isnt a cop out, Certain developers want to make a pvp focused game or a crafting heavy game or a game with freedom and exploration. Not every game wants to be average like WoW in every way.
Jack of all trades may get more subs but sooner or later players that like pvp more will leave and players that like crafting or raid content more will leave since WoW is average in all areas.
Sorry but games like DAoc, WAR and AOC have better pvp. Games like EQ2, Lotro and others have better pve and games like Vanguard have much better crafting systems. when you decide to focus on a few mechanics and make a niche MMO its not a cop out.
War, DAoc, and AOC have crappy pvp and the only time it starts to get good the game lags like it just had hip replacement. I played an EQ2 trial once and it sucked. I tryed Lotro and i found myself feeling a little gayer for having thrown my hat in with that fellowship hobbit crap.( oooo look at my scary furry little feet) and vangaurd is worst running game out of all of them, It has great potential except when you have to run into a door like 10 times to get it to open
You just called being into Lord of the rings Gay one of the greatest freaking Fantasy novels of all time yet its not gay to play WoW with little hoppity elves and gnomes?
Sorry but your crazy if you think WoWs Esport is better than DAoc or even WAAR. i may agree with AoC and its shitty preformance though but at its core the combat is much better.
Edit: as for WAR it kicks WoWs ass in Instanced and world pvp so i dont know how its better. You like arenas or something? play Guildwars that game owns wows pvp also.
i dont play alliance in Wow cause it ya know gives you a choice whether to run around looking like a fag or not. I played DAoc back in its prime i remeber the castle vs castle mega zergs where you captured your opponents castle by bringing shere numbers and lagging them out i did play a WAR trial and it looked and ran like crap and Guildwars isnt an mmo is just a multiplayer game that looks like and mmo
Because you play Horde you call people that like Lotro Gay? you're a messed up dude. you dont happen to live in the South US or one of the middles states do you?
Also sorry but Horde has little hopity elves also.
i never said those exact words.. i never said people that play lotro were gay ( sounds like some kinda guily conscience to me) all i said was that i felt gay playing it. None of the race or classes make me feel powerful, they make me feel like a gay little hobbit bandit or some crap. At least with wow if u dont want to be a human, gay elf, faggy dwarf, or pussy halfling, u can be a tauren or undead or an orc or something
and no DAoc didnt have a better pvp system. cause it didt work. if a car came out that had some great new designs on it that didnt work would you still say it was a good car. no dummy its a piece of crap that shakes like a black girl booty when you get over 55mph and so did Daoc
It's freaking lord of the rings!!!! your not supposed to feel all powerful your power comes in the form of your group or fellowship!!!
Seriously how does a game make you feel gay? i still think your messed up. You act like being gay is a bad thing or something live in the 2000's buddy.
WAR is a pvp game! WAR is three things, pvp, PQs and the tome of knowledge. WAR kicks WoWs ass in pvp, in questing (due to PQs) and the ToK destroys the WoW achievements system. does wow do dungeons and raids better? yeah because WAR isnt a god damn pve game it only has the crap as a side game similar to how pvp was before blizzards awesome Idea to make wow an esport. I do agree with the getting used to a game thing however. But imo I feel players hold WoW to high up on the mmo totem pole. It really isnt as good as everyone tries to make it out to be. A game thats average in everyway gets really stale after a while. I would rather a game focus on something and keep refining it.
No it doesn't and people saw it and people left.
7 US WAr servers now from the initial 43 ....
A Pvp game has .... fast controlled and fluid responsive actions of YOUR avatar. War didn't.
The only thing that wasn't fluid for me was sometimes id hit a special abilitiy and it wouldn't work. All my other quickbar attacks worked fine. I never did see a difference between WAR and WoW's controls other than that.
A PvP game has a hard rated ladder competition with 200.000 dollars price money. Competition in and OUT of the game. War hadn't.
Does Darkfall have competitions with 200 dollar prize money? I don't think so and its a PvP game. WoW is the only game Ive known to have comps with real money as a prize.
War didn't have the data mining from competitve Arena play... and the benefit of analysing class interactions of 3vs3 or 5vs5 in a FIXED setting.
War didn't have those balancing data tools. And it showed.
War wasn't supposed to be balanced. One class was supposed to beat the other just about every time. I still don't think WoW has balance and never will.
War didn't have the beautiful BG's. They had post stamped scenarios.
They lacked EVERYTHING WOW had and then Blizzard added leveling through PvP and Sieges WITHOUT knocking on a single door and with MOUNTED tanks.
So I guess you like PvP that isn't realistic. " Hey can you leave your gate wide open for us to attack you next friday"? lol The gates just made it more fun to me, what do you guys want next one level keeps and one boss? How much more easier do you want things to be?
See?
See Already why WOW was by FAR the best game over WAR even in PvP.
See? If you don't... you are blind.
PAID subs already speak the truth.
Paid subs just show what the mainstream people want but, that don't mean its the best for everyone. I can think of a ton of bands I like better than all these guys that sell a billion records. The sheep of the world always get catered to while people like me that like to think outside of the box always get the short end of the stick.
Oh Ya guys plz dont attack my gramar i know its sucks so u dont have to comment on how my grammar sucks im a Hungarian speaking English so just keep it to urself
I'm going to put that in my .sig file.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
WoW not just appeals to the Wii crowd it appeals to the hard core gamer. You're also incorrect that you are forced to do 25 man raiding. And don't start getting into the comparisons of what WoW offers vs. what WAR offers because you will lose that argument all the time. All I need to know about Warhammer is this. A good chunk of my server (I'm talking high end raiders) stopped playing WoW when WAR launched. For two months it was the greatest thing ever. Then after awhile Ulduar came out and alot of those playing WAR came back. What's funny is alot of the good things in WAR (PQ's for example) were actually it's downfall, since some servers were such ghost towns that players gave up in disgust. Not to mention the grind at higher levels. It's funny you mention boredom because that was the chief complaint of why people left WAR in droves.
Why are raiders leaving WoW ( a clearly dominant pve game compared to WAR) for WAR?
Jesus do WoW players have a brain?
Again people left WAR due to stability issues and not really liking to pvp 24/7.
You dont create a mostly pvp game if you want jack of all trades sub numbers mythis was dumb for thinking they could reach the wow kids.
You made a big mistale by even trying to defend WAR.
WAR is the equivalent of failure these days.
And a pity for Aion lovers perhaps, but I think WAR even has a negative impact on all newly published MMORPG's this year.
It will be 2010/11 before we will see something fresh and good (I hope Kotor, Diablo or much later the new mmorpg from Blizzard).
And blame Mythic for that btw.
WAR isn't a failure the expectations of mythic was the failure.
WAR as a pvp game is very good and if by failure you mean sub numbers according to mmo charts around 150k subs is the norm for near all mmos so WAR isnt that bad it just needs less servers since its so dependant on Group activities.
WoW not just appeals to the Wii crowd it appeals to the hard core gamer. You're also incorrect that you are forced to do 25 man raiding. And don't start getting into the comparisons of what WoW offers vs. what WAR offers because you will lose that argument all the time. All I need to know about Warhammer is this. A good chunk of my server (I'm talking high end raiders) stopped playing WoW when WAR launched. For two months it was the greatest thing ever. Then after awhile Ulduar came out and alot of those playing WAR came back. What's funny is alot of the good things in WAR (PQ's for example) were actually it's downfall, since some servers were such ghost towns that players gave up in disgust. Not to mention the grind at higher levels. It's funny you mention boredom because that was the chief complaint of why people left WAR in droves.
Why are raiders leaving WoW ( a clearly dominant pve game compared to WAR) for WAR?
Jesus do WoW players have a brain?
Again people left WAR due to stability issues and not really liking to pvp 24/7.
You dont create a mostly pvp game if you want jack of all trades sub numbers mythis was dumb for thinking they could reach the wow kids.
You made a big mistale by even trying to defend WAR.
WAR is the equivalent of failure these days.
And a pity for Aion lovers perhaps, but I think WAR even has a negative impact on all newly published MMORPG's this year.
It will be 2010/11 before we will see something fresh and good (I hope Kotor, Diablo or much later the new mmorpg from Blizzard).
And blame Mythic for that btw.
WAR isn't a failure the expectations of mythic was the failure.
WAR as a pvp game is very good and if by failure you mean sub numbers according to mmo charts around 150k subs is the norm for near all mmos so WAR isnt that bad it just needs less servers since its so dependant on Group activities.
Its not a solo paradise like WoW.
Yeah WoW getting that many subs was just a fluke, they put the right game out at the right time. I don't see another game ever coming close to having WoW's subs even another game put out by Blizz.
Do you remember a time before WoW when games that had 500k subs and it was amazing? Just because WoW has a bagillion subs doesen't mean its the best and just because all these other games have low subs mean they suck ass. Subs just show the most popular game and the opinions of those people. Now the rest of us have to suffer because every company is trying to compete with WoW and I don't want a game to compete with WoW I want something the exact opposite of WoW.
God I hope FFXIV can be my savoir again, Im so glad SE is one of the few major companies that have the balls to make a game that isn't like any game on the market. Maybe except for their own.lol
WoW not just appeals to the Wii crowd it appeals to the hard core gamer. You're also incorrect that you are forced to do 25 man raiding. And don't start getting into the comparisons of what WoW offers vs. what WAR offers because you will lose that argument all the time. All I need to know about Warhammer is this. A good chunk of my server (I'm talking high end raiders) stopped playing WoW when WAR launched. For two months it was the greatest thing ever. Then after awhile Ulduar came out and alot of those playing WAR came back. What's funny is alot of the good things in WAR (PQ's for example) were actually it's downfall, since some servers were such ghost towns that players gave up in disgust. Not to mention the grind at higher levels. It's funny you mention boredom because that was the chief complaint of why people left WAR in droves.
Why are raiders leaving WoW ( a clearly dominant pve game compared to WAR) for WAR?
Jesus do WoW players have a brain?
Again people left WAR due to stability issues and not really liking to pvp 24/7.
You dont create a mostly pvp game if you want jack of all trades sub numbers mythis was dumb for thinking they could reach the wow kids.
You made a big mistale by even trying to defend WAR.
WAR is the equivalent of failure these days.
And a pity for Aion lovers perhaps, but I think WAR even has a negative impact on all newly published MMORPG's this year.
It will be 2010/11 before we will see something fresh and good (I hope Kotor, Diablo or much later the new mmorpg from Blizzard).
And blame Mythic for that btw.
WAR isn't a failure the expectations of mythic was the failure.
WAR as a pvp game is very good and if by failure you mean sub numbers according to mmo charts around 150k subs is the norm for near all mmos so WAR isnt that bad it just needs less servers since its so dependant on Group activities.
Its not a solo paradise like WoW.
No man, it failed as a 'PVP' game (the type of game it was created as). When you got PvP'ers (not WoW carebears) disgusted with the game after a couple of months something is wrong. There are those that played DAoC (and never played WoW) that thought the game was garbage after the 'newness' wore off (see my initial post about 'newness'). You're right, Mythic did have huge expectations, but they are also a business and with as much money as they spent developing the game they needed to retain a certain number of subs. If your going to secure a huge license such as Warhammer you better try to make your game to cater to as many subs as possible. They wanted a chunk of WoW's subscriber base (just like Aion does). But they don't understand why that subscriber base stays with WoW.
I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that WoW isn't the perfect game for everyone.
Some people want more out of Pvp than WoW offers, some people want more freedom and larger game worlds to explore and some people want a more mature social game with a crafting base.
A game that focuses on pvp isnt shit because it has bad pve dungeons and a game focused on pve isnt shit because it doesnt have pvp.
These games that focus on certain mechanics give us options in the mmo genre.
Wow is a jack of all trades game, sure its good if you want to do a little bit of everything but what if you want more?
What happens when you play Wow and don;t like every mechanic? lets say you hate questing (dailies) and raiding? you really get to see how average WoWs pvp is and same goes for every other feature in WoW.
This is the only genre that gives such critical acclaim to a game thats average across the board. In the Sp videogame genre if a GTA clone was developed that did everything average it would be rated a 6 out of 10 on gamerankings.com and people would forget about it.
But in the MMO genre WoW gets 9s across the board? Something is really screwed up.
WoW not just appeals to the Wii crowd it appeals to the hard core gamer. You're also incorrect that you are forced to do 25 man raiding. And don't start getting into the comparisons of what WoW offers vs. what WAR offers because you will lose that argument all the time. All I need to know about Warhammer is this. A good chunk of my server (I'm talking high end raiders) stopped playing WoW when WAR launched. For two months it was the greatest thing ever. Then after awhile Ulduar came out and alot of those playing WAR came back. What's funny is alot of the good things in WAR (PQ's for example) were actually it's downfall, since some servers were such ghost towns that players gave up in disgust. Not to mention the grind at higher levels. It's funny you mention boredom because that was the chief complaint of why people left WAR in droves.
Why are raiders leaving WoW ( a clearly dominant pve game compared to WAR) for WAR?
Jesus do WoW players have a brain?
Again people left WAR due to stability issues and not really liking to pvp 24/7.
You dont create a mostly pvp game if you want jack of all trades sub numbers mythis was dumb for thinking they could reach the wow kids.
You made a big mistale by even trying to defend WAR.
WAR is the equivalent of failure these days.
And a pity for Aion lovers perhaps, but I think WAR even has a negative impact on all newly published MMORPG's this year.
It will be 2010/11 before we will see something fresh and good (I hope Kotor, Diablo or much later the new mmorpg from Blizzard).
And blame Mythic for that btw.
WAR isn't a failure the expectations of mythic was the failure.
WAR as a pvp game is very good and if by failure you mean sub numbers according to mmo charts around 150k subs is the norm for near all mmos so WAR isnt that bad it just needs less servers since its so dependant on Group activities.
Its not a solo paradise like WoW.
No man, it failed as a 'PVP' game (the type of game it was created as). When you got PvP'ers (not WoW carebears) disgusted with the game after a couple of months something is wrong. There are those that played DAoC (and never played WoW) that thought the game was garbage after the 'newness' wore off (see my initial post about 'newness'). You're right, Mythic did have huge expectations, but they are also a business and with as much money as they spent developing the game they needed to retain a certain number of subs. If your going to secure a huge license such as Warhammer you better try to make your game to cater to as many subs as possible. They wanted a chunk of WoW's subscriber base (just like Aion does). But they don't understand why that subscriber base stays with WoW.
You think NCSoft does?
the "pvpers" that got tired of WAR came from games like WoW or AoC these players bitch and moun and leave a game when thier classes get nerfed. WAR is just fine, could it be improved? yeah but is it better than WoWs pvp? yes!
Edit: I could understand the DAoC players hate fro WAR, DAoC is a fucking masterpiece compared to WAR. DAoC is another game that completly owns WoW in pvp.
I tried to like Aion, much like I tried to like Conan and a half dozen other games.
It's just... the game isn't compelling for ME in any quantity. It's very very pretty, one of the best looking games on the market, but over all... it just doesn't provide anything that WOW or Warhammer isn't already providing.
If I could get my rl friends to play eq2 I'd probably play that, but I'm not even enthusiastic about that game anymore and it was my favorite of that generation.
The mmo genre is stagnating much like the fps genre did about 5-6 years ago and until there is some innovation I don't think any of the games are really going to 'get peoples attention' en mass.
The OP sums up what *many* former WoW subscribers feel took the fun out of WOW. If you still like WoW no one is forcing you to play Aion, stick with it, but no reason to get all defenisve about WoW and slam Aion in the process.
The MMO market is big enough for both to do well and no need for the my game is better than your game. I am just happy that a new game is going to release that is not a POS out of the box. That alone I am excited for.
I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that WoW isn't the perfect game for everyone. Some people want more out of Pvp than WoW offers, some people want more freedom and larger game worlds to explore and some people want a more mature social game with a crafting base. A game that focuses on pvp isnt shit because it has bad pve dungeons and a game focused on pve isnt shit because it doesnt have pvp. These games that focus on certain mechanics give us options in the mmo genre. Wow is a jack of all trades game, sure its good if you want to do a little bit of everything but what if you want more? What happens when you play Wow and don;t like every mechanic? lets say you hate questing (dailies) and raiding? you really get to see how average WoWs pvp is and same goes for every other feature in WoW. This is the only genre that gives such critical acclaim to a game thats average across the board. In the Sp videogame genre if a GTA clone was developed that did everything average it would be rated a 6 out of 10 on gamerankings.com and people would forget about it. But in the MMO genre WoW gets 9s across the board? Something is really screwed up. So if the OP like Aion good for him.
The point of the article is that he's leaving WoW for Aion and then proceeds to list the things that Aion does better. He qualifies himself by saying that he played WoW for 3 years. Let me ask you this. How many people do you know that played WoW for as much time as that and then jumped ship proclaming that 'this was it'? Out of those people, how many returned to WoW? You just said yourself that alot of people who left WAR were people who played WoW. How will this be any different?
the "pvpers" that got tired of WAR came from games like WoW or AoC these players bitch and moun and leave a game when thier classes get nerfed. WAR is just fine, could it be improved? yeah but is it better than WoWs pvp? yes! Edit: I could understand the DAoC players hate fro WAR, DAoC is a fucking masterpiece compared to WAR. DAoC is another game that completly owns WoW in pvp.
No, WAR is NOT "just fine". It is deeply flawed. I am still playing it, but mainly in the lower tiers with alts, and only because WoW doesn't have as good PvP.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
The OP sums up what *many* former WoW subscribers feel took the fun out of WOW. If you still like WoW no one is forcing you to play Aion, stick with it, but no reason to get all defenisve about WoW and slam Aion in the process. The MMO market is big enough for both to do well and no need for the my game is better than your game. I am just happy that a new game is going to release that is not a POS out of the box. That alone I am excited for.
That's fine, but what exactly are those WoW subscribers looking for? Why do you think people who played WoW long term are going to find that in Aion, when it's been proven that Aion is not the same type of game. It always cracks me up when I hear those that played for a long time say they're looking for a better PvP experience, but yet they tolerated the 'pvp' in wow for that long? If you're are hardcore PvP'er, you never played wow for any considerable amount of time.
Having played WoW and beta Aion i do see the differences in both PvE side WoW has the edge, PvP side Aion. What Aion does is bring the best of both worlds into one and it does work, WoW tried to this but failed and decided to make the game easier as most MMO's do after so many years, hell even L2 has gotten easier. Tried WAR trail and just couldn't seem to get into either side, it felt way to simple and not enough forethought.
So if the OP has decided to leave WoW for Aion then good for him, i'm sure there are others that feel the same way, and in no way is the OP bashing WoW but giving his reasons for leaving.
I played Aion for a few hours... sure it's pretty, but it's not a WoW killer. All of you leaving WoW for Aion will be back to WoW in a month or two. I really doubt that any Korean Playstyle game can kill the WoW Behemoth. I chuckle on articles like this comparing " * " to WoW and then kicking WoW in the teeth, and then a month later WoW is still on top. I fell for the Age of Conan Failtrain, and i'm not about to fall for another fail again.. Cheers. BTW, I'm not dissing Aion, it's a beautiful game from what i've seen and i'm sure it's gonna amass about 200,000 faithful followers but to say WoW is failing and Aion will take it's place is a HUGE overstatement.
I dont believe Aion will be a WOW killer either. But i do think Aion will take some subs from WOW and a few other games. AOC and Warhammer as well were both broken at release. If Aion released today it would be a better launch than either of these games had. I havnt played AOC for a few months so i dont know how it is now but can say that AIon is more "finished" today than Warhammer is nearly a year after release.
the "pvpers" that got tired of WAR came from games like WoW or AoC these players bitch and moun and leave a game when thier classes get nerfed. WAR is just fine, could it be improved? yeah but is it better than WoWs pvp? yes! Edit: I could understand the DAoC players hate fro WAR, DAoC is a fucking masterpiece compared to WAR. DAoC is another game that completly owns WoW in pvp.
No, WAR is NOT "just fine". It is deeply flawed. I am still playing it, but mainly in the lower tiers with alts, and only because WoW doesn't have as good PvP.
All I'm saying is WARs pvp is better than WoWs.
Of course WAR could use some improvments and revamps but imo its still an enjoyable game even if you only like the lower tiers ( something Ienjoyed also).
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Woah. A pretty broad stroke. Is it because there is less gayness in those places?
No, its probably because those places stll live in the 19th century......
Of course,
What you wrote Sir is about the exact synthesis of what makes Blizzard having 60% of the marketshare with western subs based MMO's (not even talking about the inflated almost free to play internet café numbers on that strange planet called China).
The so called WOW competitors are making it Blizzard SOOOOO easy to maintain momentum.
It is as if these guys are PAID by Blizzard to push the duds over to the players one by one.
And in fact it gets ... worse and worse.
Instead of opening up NEW MMO games, they make exact copies of the perfect game that is already being made for >5 years.
Every single person that plays WOW KNOWS what the best game is out there.
The rest is peanuts. We are talking of 0.1 to 1.3% of WOW markets.
And still people (like the OP) think they could be taken seriously.
Comon guys: stop fooling yourlselves: YOU ALL play WOW and stop being frustrated by it.
It is the best you can get. Period.
Or ... is there somebody else hiding in the closet BETTER and with MORE money than Blizzard. Of course not.
We all know why Blizzard has more subs, because the game is average at everything and very easy for the non-gamer and Wii crowd.
This doesn;t mean WoW is a better game just appeals to more. Shit dude I prefer WAR and Lotro over WoW.
You use sub numbers all the time but if we broke down the games bit by bit everyone would see how lame WoW is.
Forced Arena pvp for gear and Forced 25 man raiding are the only ways to really get good shit in the game. How many stale dungeons or instance pvp arenas can we fight in before we get fucking bored? Atleast WAR has different pvp instanced mini-games and world pvp to keep me from getting bored what does WoW offer?
5 Bgs and some boxed arenas? its limited. Oh and wintergrasp looking at the same fucking zone all day doesnt get lame nope!
WoW not just appeals to the Wii crowd it appeals to the hard core gamer. You're also incorrect that you are forced to do 25 man raiding. And don't start getting into the comparisons of what WoW offers vs. what WAR offers because you will lose that argument all the time. All I need to know about Warhammer is this. A good chunk of my server (I'm talking high end raiders) stopped playing WoW when WAR launched. For two months it was the greatest thing ever. Then after awhile Ulduar came out and alot of those playing WAR came back. What's funny is alot of the good things in WAR (PQ's for example) were actually it's downfall, since some servers were such ghost towns that players gave up in disgust. Not to mention the grind at higher levels.
It's funny you mention boredom because that was the chief complaint of why people left WAR in droves.
No it doesn't and people saw it and people left.
People left due to stability issues and the lack of pve something that was going to happen if they didnt want to pvp 24/7.
7 US WAr servers now from the initial 43 ....
Again its a pvp game, not everyone is going to want to pvp all day. Mythic was incredibly stupid with releasing so many servers they didnt make a jack of all trades mmo to support that many.
A Pvp game has .... fast controlled and fluid responsive actions of YOUR avatar. War didn't.
That's not true at all. war does have good combat system it enforces the rock,paper ,scissors mechanic where you have to know what targets you can fight and others you avoid. its alot better than everyone being a hybrid and OP.
A PvP game has a hard rated ladder competition with 200.000 dollars price money. Competition in and OUT of the game. War hadn't.
No thats a FPS Esport, these are MMOs and Blizzards push for an esport has ruined WoWs world pvp and BGs.
War didn't have the data mining from competitve Arena play... and the benefit of analysing class interactions of 3vs3 or 5vs5 in a FIXED setting.
WAR is a massive pvp game it doesnt have arena combat the classes arent designed for 1 on 1 or even small skirmish fights so that shit doesnt matter.
War didn't have those balancing data tools. And it showed.
People complain about WAR because they want to solo pvp and own everyone, its the same shit in every pvp game.
War didn't have the beautiful BG's. They had post stamped scenarios.
Are you crazy the only good WoW BG is AV, the rest are complete failures compared to WARs scenarios.
They lacked EVERYTHING WOW had and then Blizzard added leveling through PvP and Sieges WITHOUT knocking on a single door and with MOUNTED tanks.
WoW has one siege area thats already increadibly lame and boring! if they were smart every zone would have a wintergrasp in it. WAR siege is alot better you should have spent more time in the game and not on the forums blasting a game you really didnt play.
See?
No, You think arenas and real pvp and since wows characters can run faster you can it a real pvp game lol
See Already why WOW was by FAR the best game over WAR even in PvP.
Nope WAR stomps WoW into the ground in pvp, questing (PQs own phasing) and thwe Tok.
See? If you don't... you are blind.
No I don't WoW is a simple jack of all trades MMO and doesnt stack up to other pvp games.
PAID subs already speak the truth.
No it doesn't WoW is a jack of all trades fluke and very popular, shit most of the kiddies never played mmos before and now WoW is "cool" to play lol.
I'm disapointed in you zorn what an easy post to dismantle you're losing your touch.
Next time lets talk real game mechanics.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Why are raiders leaving WoW ( a clearly dominant pve game compared to WAR) for WAR?
Jesus do WoW players have a brain?
Again people left WAR due to stability issues and not really liking to pvp 24/7.
You dont create a mostly pvp game if you want jack of all trades sub numbers mythis was dumb for thinking they could reach the wow kids.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Woah. A pretty broad stroke. Is it because there is less gayness in those places?
No, its probably because those places stll live in the 19th century......
I live in NYC we like everyone here and wouldnt call fans of a beloved fantasy franchise GAY!
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Woah. A pretty broad stroke. Is it because there is less gayness in those places?
JGMIII does NOT only have problems with Wow, that's very clear.
But aside from this.... it is always the same.
They are called JGM or the OP.
They play (and supposedly enjoy) WOW for many many moons and then they need to spit the game (and its players !) in the face.
Sad really.
Blizzard deserves respect for delivering FUN to us.
I don't have ANY respect for people who spit in the face of old loves.
Zorndorf. Can you stop spiting at other forum users? They don't even insult you. It seems that you hate all the world. Firstly the editor then the OP and JGM. If they have other opinion than you, they are bad/evil/troll and so on. Zorndorf, that's pathetic. Stop littering the forums with such "hate" posts because they may damage the reputation of the forum in the long run.
I am not defending JGM specifically, but actually I'm tired of pointless flaming and claiming that WOW is the HOLY GRAIL of MMO's. And actually everyone is. No, I'm NOT a WoW hater, but please respect others. Thank you.
Woah. A pretty broad stroke. Is it because there is less gayness in those places?
JGMIII does NOT only have problems with Wow, that's very clear.
But aside from this.... it is always the same.
They are called JGM or the OP.
They play (and supposedly enjoy) WOW for many many moons and then they need to spit the game (and its players !) in the face.
Sad really.
Blizzard deserves respect for delivering FUN to us.
I don't have ANY respect for people who spit in the face of old loves.
Zorndorf. Can you stop spiting at other forum users? They don't even insult you. It seems that you hate all the world. Firstly the editor then the OP and JGM. If they have other opinion than you, they are bad/evil/troll and so on. Zorndorf, that's pathetic. Stop littering the forums with such "hate" posts because they may damage the reputation of the forum in the long run.
I am not defending JGM specifically, but actually I'm tired of pointless flaming and claiming that WOW is the HOLY GRAIL of MMO's. And actually everyone is. No, I'm NOT a WoW hater, but please respect others. Thank you.
LOL me an zorn get into this shit everyonce in a while.
Normally ill own his face and he will leave with a sub number remark.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Woah. A pretty broad stroke. Is it because there is less gayness in those places?
JGMIII does NOT only have problems with Wow, that's very clear.
But aside from this.... it is always the same.
They are called JGM or the OP.
They play (and supposedly enjoy) WOW for many many moons and then they need to spit the game (and its players !) in the face.
Sad really.
Blizzard deserves respect for delivering FUN to us.
I don't have ANY respect for people who spit in the face of old loves.
Zorndorf. Can you stop spiting at other forum users? They don't even insult you. It seems that you hate all the world. Firstly the editor then the OP and JGM. If they have other opinion than you, they are bad/evil/troll and so on. Zorndorf, that's pathetic. Stop littering the forums with such "hate" posts because they may damage the reputation of the forum in the long run.
I am not defending JGM specifically, but actually I'm tired of pointless flaming and claiming that WOW is the HOLY GRAIL of MMO's. And actually everyone is. No, I'm NOT a WoW hater, but please respect others. Thank you.
LOL me an zorn get into this shit everyonce in a while.
Normally ill own his face and he will leave with a sub number remark.
I know. I'm a long time forum reader. I told him my arguments of WoW superiority. Yet they remained unanswered. Anyway, such an attitude of Zorn is unacceptable in normal forums and it should be dealt with.
The OP isn;t saying the game will kill WoW.
He's just saying Aion is a much better game for him and tbh WAR is a better game than WoW.
If they got rid of the shitty stability issues the game would be fantastic, it has better classes, better instanced pvp and better world pvp and the quests are similar and graphics are better.
Nothing is going to kill wow, we all know the average sub for every MMO is around 150k and thats where every game falls with the exception of FFXI and Eve (300-400k subs).
Alot of the games people called "wow killer" are actually alot better than world of warcraft its just these games are a niche and not a jack of all trades that appeals to non-gamers.
niche game is a nice way of saying that the developers were too poor or too lazy to implement more than few interesting game mechanics. For instance u have eve, the developers just put in more zones with a copy paste backround and call in content. If they took some time and money and put in some immersions it would be alot better. The same things is with aion. They took the face maker from oblivion and the graphics design of fable, and then they made a crappy world full of invisible walls and blured light effects. Its not even open world. Have you seen the starting area or played through it? Its a long S shaped path and when you make it to the end of it you get your wings. You wanna fly from the starting area over the mountains to some other area... well guess what u cant cause there is a huge invisible wall over the mountains and u can only fly for a minute. This game is far more theme park like and linear than wow ever thought about being. At least in wow if wanna climb the mountains in crossroads and jump to your death in duskwallow marsh you are free to do so. In aion u can even jump over some step rails.
not to mention that u cant swim and the youngest male voice is done but the guy that did prince zuko of avatar the last airbender.(both of these really get me)
Copy and pasting content? you play WoW and you say eves developers copy and paste content? how many times have you fought the same mob skin over and over again? how many lame dungeons will blizzard release with reused raid strats?
LOL I don;t even care for Aion tbh, What i can relate to is the OPs dislike for WoW wich I totally agree with.
And no niche isnt a cop out, Certain developers want to make a pvp focused game or a crafting heavy game or a game with freedom and exploration. Not every game wants to be average like WoW in every way.
Jack of all trades may get more subs but sooner or later players that like pvp more will leave and players that like crafting or raid content more will leave since WoW is average in all areas.
Sorry but games like DAoc, WAR and AOC have better pvp. Games like EQ2, Lotro and others have better pve and games like Vanguard have much better crafting systems. when you decide to focus on a few mechanics and make a niche MMO its not a cop out.
War, DAoc, and AOC have crappy pvp and the only time it starts to get good the game lags like it just had hip replacement. I played an EQ2 trial once and it sucked. I tryed Lotro and i found myself feeling a little gayer for having thrown my hat in with that fellowship hobbit crap.( oooo look at my scary furry little feet) and vangaurd is worst running game out of all of them, It has great potential except when you have to run into a door like 10 times to get it to open
You just called being into Lord of the rings Gay one of the greatest freaking Fantasy novels of all time yet its not gay to play WoW with little hoppity elves and gnomes?
Sorry but your crazy if you think WoWs Esport is better than DAoc or even WAAR. i may agree with AoC and its shitty preformance though but at its core the combat is much better.
Edit: as for WAR it kicks WoWs ass in Instanced and world pvp so i dont know how its better. You like arenas or something? play Guildwars that game owns wows pvp also.
i dont play alliance in Wow cause it ya know gives you a choice whether to run around looking like a fag or not. I played DAoc back in its prime i remeber the castle vs castle mega zergs where you captured your opponents castle by bringing shere numbers and lagging them out i did play a WAR trial and it looked and ran like crap and Guildwars isnt an mmo is just a multiplayer game that looks like and mmo
Because you play Horde you call people that like Lotro Gay? you're a messed up dude. you dont happen to live in the South US or one of the middles states do you?
Also sorry but Horde has little hopity elves also.
i never said those exact words.. i never said people that play lotro were gay ( sounds like some kinda guily conscience to me) all i said was that i felt gay playing it. None of the race or classes make me feel powerful, they make me feel like a gay little hobbit bandit or some crap. At least with wow if u dont want to be a human, gay elf, faggy dwarf, or pussy halfling, u can be a tauren or undead or an orc or something
and no DAoc didnt have a better pvp system. cause it didt work. if a car came out that had some great new designs on it that didnt work would you still say it was a good car. no dummy its a piece of crap that shakes like a black girl booty when you get over 55mph and so did Daoc
It's freaking lord of the rings!!!! your not supposed to feel all powerful your power comes in the form of your group or fellowship!!!
Seriously how does a game make you feel gay? i still think your messed up. You act like being gay is a bad thing or something live in the 2000's buddy.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
No it doesn't and people saw it and people left.
7 US WAr servers now from the initial 43 ....
A Pvp game has .... fast controlled and fluid responsive actions of YOUR avatar. War didn't.
The only thing that wasn't fluid for me was sometimes id hit a special abilitiy and it wouldn't work. All my other quickbar attacks worked fine. I never did see a difference between WAR and WoW's controls other than that.
A PvP game has a hard rated ladder competition with 200.000 dollars price money. Competition in and OUT of the game. War hadn't.
Does Darkfall have competitions with 200 dollar prize money? I don't think so and its a PvP game. WoW is the only game Ive known to have comps with real money as a prize.
War didn't have the data mining from competitve Arena play... and the benefit of analysing class interactions of 3vs3 or 5vs5 in a FIXED setting.
War didn't have those balancing data tools. And it showed.
War wasn't supposed to be balanced. One class was supposed to beat the other just about every time. I still don't think WoW has balance and never will.
War didn't have the beautiful BG's. They had post stamped scenarios.
They lacked EVERYTHING WOW had and then Blizzard added leveling through PvP and Sieges WITHOUT knocking on a single door and with MOUNTED tanks.
So I guess you like PvP that isn't realistic. " Hey can you leave your gate wide open for us to attack you next friday"? lol The gates just made it more fun to me, what do you guys want next one level keeps and one boss? How much more easier do you want things to be?
See?
See Already why WOW was by FAR the best game over WAR even in PvP.
See? If you don't... you are blind.
PAID subs already speak the truth.
Paid subs just show what the mainstream people want but, that don't mean its the best for everyone. I can think of a ton of bands I like better than all these guys that sell a billion records. The sheep of the world always get catered to while people like me that like to think outside of the box always get the short end of the stick.
I'm going to put that in my .sig file.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Why are raiders leaving WoW ( a clearly dominant pve game compared to WAR) for WAR?
Jesus do WoW players have a brain?
Again people left WAR due to stability issues and not really liking to pvp 24/7.
You dont create a mostly pvp game if you want jack of all trades sub numbers mythis was dumb for thinking they could reach the wow kids.
You made a big mistale by even trying to defend WAR.
WAR is the equivalent of failure these days.
And a pity for Aion lovers perhaps, but I think WAR even has a negative impact on all newly published MMORPG's this year.
It will be 2010/11 before we will see something fresh and good (I hope Kotor, Diablo or much later the new mmorpg from Blizzard).
And blame Mythic for that btw.
WAR isn't a failure the expectations of mythic was the failure.
WAR as a pvp game is very good and if by failure you mean sub numbers according to mmo charts around 150k subs is the norm for near all mmos so WAR isnt that bad it just needs less servers since its so dependant on Group activities.
Its not a solo paradise like WoW.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Why are raiders leaving WoW ( a clearly dominant pve game compared to WAR) for WAR?
Jesus do WoW players have a brain?
Again people left WAR due to stability issues and not really liking to pvp 24/7.
You dont create a mostly pvp game if you want jack of all trades sub numbers mythis was dumb for thinking they could reach the wow kids.
You made a big mistale by even trying to defend WAR.
WAR is the equivalent of failure these days.
And a pity for Aion lovers perhaps, but I think WAR even has a negative impact on all newly published MMORPG's this year.
It will be 2010/11 before we will see something fresh and good (I hope Kotor, Diablo or much later the new mmorpg from Blizzard).
And blame Mythic for that btw.
WAR isn't a failure the expectations of mythic was the failure.
WAR as a pvp game is very good and if by failure you mean sub numbers according to mmo charts around 150k subs is the norm for near all mmos so WAR isnt that bad it just needs less servers since its so dependant on Group activities.
Its not a solo paradise like WoW.
Yeah WoW getting that many subs was just a fluke, they put the right game out at the right time. I don't see another game ever coming close to having WoW's subs even another game put out by Blizz.
Do you remember a time before WoW when games that had 500k subs and it was amazing? Just because WoW has a bagillion subs doesen't mean its the best and just because all these other games have low subs mean they suck ass. Subs just show the most popular game and the opinions of those people. Now the rest of us have to suffer because every company is trying to compete with WoW and I don't want a game to compete with WoW I want something the exact opposite of WoW.
God I hope FFXIV can be my savoir again, Im so glad SE is one of the few major companies that have the balls to make a game that isn't like any game on the market. Maybe except for their own.lol
Why are raiders leaving WoW ( a clearly dominant pve game compared to WAR) for WAR?
Jesus do WoW players have a brain?
Again people left WAR due to stability issues and not really liking to pvp 24/7.
You dont create a mostly pvp game if you want jack of all trades sub numbers mythis was dumb for thinking they could reach the wow kids.
You made a big mistale by even trying to defend WAR.
WAR is the equivalent of failure these days.
And a pity for Aion lovers perhaps, but I think WAR even has a negative impact on all newly published MMORPG's this year.
It will be 2010/11 before we will see something fresh and good (I hope Kotor, Diablo or much later the new mmorpg from Blizzard).
And blame Mythic for that btw.
WAR isn't a failure the expectations of mythic was the failure.
WAR as a pvp game is very good and if by failure you mean sub numbers according to mmo charts around 150k subs is the norm for near all mmos so WAR isnt that bad it just needs less servers since its so dependant on Group activities.
Its not a solo paradise like WoW.
No man, it failed as a 'PVP' game (the type of game it was created as). When you got PvP'ers (not WoW carebears) disgusted with the game after a couple of months something is wrong. There are those that played DAoC (and never played WoW) that thought the game was garbage after the 'newness' wore off (see my initial post about 'newness'). You're right, Mythic did have huge expectations, but they are also a business and with as much money as they spent developing the game they needed to retain a certain number of subs. If your going to secure a huge license such as Warhammer you better try to make your game to cater to as many subs as possible. They wanted a chunk of WoW's subscriber base (just like Aion does). But they don't understand why that subscriber base stays with WoW.
You think NCSoft does?
I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that WoW isn't the perfect game for everyone.
Some people want more out of Pvp than WoW offers, some people want more freedom and larger game worlds to explore and some people want a more mature social game with a crafting base.
A game that focuses on pvp isnt shit because it has bad pve dungeons and a game focused on pve isnt shit because it doesnt have pvp.
These games that focus on certain mechanics give us options in the mmo genre.
Wow is a jack of all trades game, sure its good if you want to do a little bit of everything but what if you want more?
What happens when you play Wow and don;t like every mechanic? lets say you hate questing (dailies) and raiding? you really get to see how average WoWs pvp is and same goes for every other feature in WoW.
This is the only genre that gives such critical acclaim to a game thats average across the board. In the Sp videogame genre if a GTA clone was developed that did everything average it would be rated a 6 out of 10 on gamerankings.com and people would forget about it.
But in the MMO genre WoW gets 9s across the board? Something is really screwed up.
So if the OP like Aion good for him.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Why are raiders leaving WoW ( a clearly dominant pve game compared to WAR) for WAR?
Jesus do WoW players have a brain?
Again people left WAR due to stability issues and not really liking to pvp 24/7.
You dont create a mostly pvp game if you want jack of all trades sub numbers mythis was dumb for thinking they could reach the wow kids.
You made a big mistale by even trying to defend WAR.
WAR is the equivalent of failure these days.
And a pity for Aion lovers perhaps, but I think WAR even has a negative impact on all newly published MMORPG's this year.
It will be 2010/11 before we will see something fresh and good (I hope Kotor, Diablo or much later the new mmorpg from Blizzard).
And blame Mythic for that btw.
WAR isn't a failure the expectations of mythic was the failure.
WAR as a pvp game is very good and if by failure you mean sub numbers according to mmo charts around 150k subs is the norm for near all mmos so WAR isnt that bad it just needs less servers since its so dependant on Group activities.
Its not a solo paradise like WoW.
No man, it failed as a 'PVP' game (the type of game it was created as). When you got PvP'ers (not WoW carebears) disgusted with the game after a couple of months something is wrong. There are those that played DAoC (and never played WoW) that thought the game was garbage after the 'newness' wore off (see my initial post about 'newness'). You're right, Mythic did have huge expectations, but they are also a business and with as much money as they spent developing the game they needed to retain a certain number of subs. If your going to secure a huge license such as Warhammer you better try to make your game to cater to as many subs as possible. They wanted a chunk of WoW's subscriber base (just like Aion does). But they don't understand why that subscriber base stays with WoW.
You think NCSoft does?
the "pvpers" that got tired of WAR came from games like WoW or AoC these players bitch and moun and leave a game when thier classes get nerfed. WAR is just fine, could it be improved? yeah but is it better than WoWs pvp? yes!
Edit: I could understand the DAoC players hate fro WAR, DAoC is a fucking masterpiece compared to WAR. DAoC is another game that completly owns WoW in pvp.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
I tried to like Aion, much like I tried to like Conan and a half dozen other games.
It's just... the game isn't compelling for ME in any quantity. It's very very pretty, one of the best looking games on the market, but over all... it just doesn't provide anything that WOW or Warhammer isn't already providing.
If I could get my rl friends to play eq2 I'd probably play that, but I'm not even enthusiastic about that game anymore and it was my favorite of that generation.
The mmo genre is stagnating much like the fps genre did about 5-6 years ago and until there is some innovation I don't think any of the games are really going to 'get peoples attention' en mass.
Shrug.
Shadus
The OP sums up what *many* former WoW subscribers feel took the fun out of WOW. If you still like WoW no one is forcing you to play Aion, stick with it, but no reason to get all defenisve about WoW and slam Aion in the process.
The MMO market is big enough for both to do well and no need for the my game is better than your game. I am just happy that a new game is going to release that is not a POS out of the box. That alone I am excited for.
The point of the article is that he's leaving WoW for Aion and then proceeds to list the things that Aion does better. He qualifies himself by saying that he played WoW for 3 years. Let me ask you this. How many people do you know that played WoW for as much time as that and then jumped ship proclaming that 'this was it'? Out of those people, how many returned to WoW? You just said yourself that alot of people who left WAR were people who played WoW. How will this be any different?
No, WAR is NOT "just fine". It is deeply flawed. I am still playing it, but mainly in the lower tiers with alts, and only because WoW doesn't have as good PvP.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
That's fine, but what exactly are those WoW subscribers looking for? Why do you think people who played WoW long term are going to find that in Aion, when it's been proven that Aion is not the same type of game. It always cracks me up when I hear those that played for a long time say they're looking for a better PvP experience, but yet they tolerated the 'pvp' in wow for that long? If you're are hardcore PvP'er, you never played wow for any considerable amount of time.
Having played WoW and beta Aion i do see the differences in both PvE side WoW has the edge, PvP side Aion. What Aion does is bring the best of both worlds into one and it does work, WoW tried to this but failed and decided to make the game easier as most MMO's do after so many years, hell even L2 has gotten easier. Tried WAR trail and just couldn't seem to get into either side, it felt way to simple and not enough forethought.
So if the OP has decided to leave WoW for Aion then good for him, i'm sure there are others that feel the same way, and in no way is the OP bashing WoW but giving his reasons for leaving.
I'd be interested to play this Aion, howerver the Gfx scare me, i use a moderate pc (3-5 yr old)
i doubt i could get the most out of it.... sadly.
this is the thing that wow is good at... i wont kill my pc ;-p and certainly wont make me want to buy upgrades for it.
I dont believe Aion will be a WOW killer either. But i do think Aion will take some subs from WOW and a few other games. AOC and Warhammer as well were both broken at release. If Aion released today it would be a better launch than either of these games had. I havnt played AOC for a few months so i dont know how it is now but can say that AIon is more "finished" today than Warhammer is nearly a year after release.
No, WAR is NOT "just fine". It is deeply flawed. I am still playing it, but mainly in the lower tiers with alts, and only because WoW doesn't have as good PvP.
All I'm saying is WARs pvp is better than WoWs.
Of course WAR could use some improvments and revamps but imo its still an enjoyable game even if you only like the lower tiers ( something Ienjoyed also).
Playing: EvE, Ryzom