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Townyellers disrupt Tampa Healthcare summit
popinjay
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Protesters in Ybor City drown out health care summit on Obama's proposal
First Teabaggers, then Birthers... now comes the Townyellers. Are all these whackadoos the same gullible group, or just related to each other?
TAMPA Bitter divisions over reforming America's health care system exploded Thursday night in Tampa amid cat calls, jeering and shoving at a town hall meeting."Tyranny! Tyranny! Tyranny!" dozens of people shouted as U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor, D-Tampa, struggled to talk about health insurance reforms under consideration in Washington, D.C.
"There is more consensus than there is disagreement when you get right down to it,'' Castor offered, immediately drowned out by groans and boos.
She pressed on, mostly unheard among screams from the audience estimated by Tampa police to be about 1,500.
"Tell the truth! Tell the truth!" "Read the bill!" "Forty-million illegals! Forty million illegals!"
Thursday's forum/near riot was sponsored by state Rep. Betty Reed, D-Tampa, and the Service Employees International Union, who apparently had hoped to hold something of a pep rally for President Barack Obama's health care reform proposal.
Instead, hundreds of vocal critics turned out, many of them saying they had been spurred on through the Tampa 912 activist group promoted by conservative radio and television personality Glenn Beck. Others had received e-mails from the Hillsborough Republican Party that urged people to speak out against the plan and offered talking points.
I wouldn't be surprised if one of these nutbags shot someone at one of these things one day.
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I wouldn't be surprised if one of these nutbags shot someone at one of these things one day.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if the police shot and killed some of these people either. After all, the Democrats can't have people disagreeing with them, right?
Wrong.
You need to read the newspaper a little more often.
The police will just use Tasers on them like they've been doing lately.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Wrong.
You need to read the newspaper a little more often.
The police will just use Tasers on them like they've been doing lately.
Oh okay, so you want to see these people tazed into submission then? What do you want? There is no discussion at these "Townhall Meetings". Most of the representatives try to force the people to listen and then dodge questions.
What do you expect man? Honestly.
Better than your suggestion of police shootings.
You're right about one thing; there wasn't any discussion there due to all the yelling going on. Those people don't seem to have any interest in hearing anything, they just got worked up into a foaming mouth state from Rush and Glenn Beck as usual. Civil people don't walk in and start yelling that leads to fist fights.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Better than your suggestion of police shootings.
You're right about one thing; there wasn't any discussion there due to all the yelling going on. Those people don't seem to have any interest in hearing anything, they just got worked up into a foaming mouth state from Rush and Glenn Beck as usual. Civil people don't walk in and start yelling that leads to fist fights.
I was kind of mocking your statement there, about you saying "One of these nutjobs is going to shoot someone". I meant it to say, yeah, the Democrats holding the meetings, and their trusty police. Similiar to the DNC or RNC fiascos we had during the elections.
Apparently at one of the Town Hall meetings, in Texas. Lloyd Dogget (D)-TX responded to one of the attendees statement "We don't want this reform." and he says, "I don't care what you want, I'm going to do it anyway." He did this at a Cap n' Trade meeting also. This is one reason people started yelling.
I know, that's why I turned it back around on you. If you want to actually discuss this instead of hyberbole and mockery, I'm willing to do so.
But if you get into the ridiculous there's no need to pretend you are actually discussing it for real. You don't have to mock if no one is mocking you.
I would love to see where Doggett said that. I simply don't believe a politician would tell people that in public. I can only guess you read that from a blog (unless you are claiming you were there and HEARD it), but if you have a reputable news source I'd love to look at it. Not only do I not believe he said that once, but you claim above he said it TWICE (again at a Cap/Trade event) Politicians don't usually piss off their base THAT blatantly.
So, if you have something please show it.
"TO MICHAEL!"
They just adapted the tactics of Code Pink and the bozos who disrupted Bushes addresses. Is not turnabout fair play?
I know, that's why I turned it back around on you. If you want to actually discuss this instead of hyberbole and mockery, I'm willing to do so.
But if you get into the ridiculous there's no need to pretend you are actually discussing it for real. You don't have to mock if no one is mocking you.
I would love to see where Doggett said that. I simply don't believe a politician would tell people that in public. I can only guess you read that from a blog (unless you are claiming you were there and HEARD it), but if you have a reputable news source I'd love to look at it. Not only do I not believe he said that once, but you claim above he said it TWICE (again at a Cap/Trade event) Politicians don't usually piss off their base THAT blatantly.
So, if you have something please show it.
Tell you what, you stop insulting every single person at these meetings by referring to them as "nutjobs" and people who will have a shooting spree, then maybe I'll take you seriously and not mock you.
As for Lloyd Doggett's remarks, yes he reportedly said these things, and I'm currently looking for a video and/or transcript.
Here is one reported version:
www.associatedcontent.com/article/2017750/lloyd_doggett_faces_angry_voters_over.html
"Witnesses say that when Doggett was asked if he would support the plan even if he found his constituents opposed it, Doggett said he would still support the plan. From there, the crowd began chanting 'Just Say No,' and overwhelmed the congressman as he moved through the crowd and into the parking lot."
This is probably where the, "I don't care what you want, I'm going to do it anyway." came from. He's telling his constituents that he doesn't care what they say, even though he is supposed to represent them. So you can see how people would get upset.
It was also falsely reported as an "unruly mob", it was not.
www.youtube.com/watch < Video of the South Austin event. This is after he said he wouldn't represent his constituents. As the video shows, there was no shoving, running, fist fights or profanity, etc.
Yeah, all the liberals who have bumper stickers which read "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" better tear them off their cars before they get singled out as co-conspirators.
Goes to show how corrupt the media is.
pathetic.
As long as I'm referring to someone who is NOT YOU and who does not even know you exist, I have no idea why it's any concern of yours so I'll describe them any way I please. We don't have Word Police here (unless you are a moderator). It's easier to assign a name to them instead of "them" or "they" and later someone gets confused. For all means of discussion, they simply are referred to as "Townyellers" for simplicity's sake. I could call them 'townies" or something else, but that sounds worse. That's like me telling you not to use profanity because it upsets me or something. You have a right to cuss all you want; every other word if you feel necessary just so long as its not AT ME.
Your first link claiming Doggett said "I don't care what you want, "I'm going to do it anyway" produced this:
That CLEARLY is not what you said earlier. But I won't call you a liar. That's rude, but you claimed he said that TWICE, but yet nothing showing it. I asked you for confirmation and you say this is "probably where it came from"? Do you see how dishonest that is if I had never asked you for proof of something you put """ quotes """ on a man saying?
Doggett wasn't saying he didn't care what they say. Why are you misrepresenting that? He just stated he was going to vote for it. He is not obligated to vote how THEY say he has to. They elected him to vote his conscience and I think that's where Americans fall short everytime. He has no idea if half of those Townyellers are even HIS constituents or whether they were bussed in by a special interest group (which has been reported) so I don't blame him for sticking to his guns.
Politicians are not robots to just pull a level because you say pull it. You vote for them because you think they are sensible and sometimes, they ARE more sensible than you or you'd run yourself. I voted for Obama and I don't like him going to Afghanistan; I think we should shut the bloody thing down. But you know what? He doesn't have to do what I say, he's not my robot. He has his own brain and if he gets advice saying he should stay and "finish the job", I can still argue, diagree but not YELL and SCREAM him down like a five-year old. I'll just not vote him in next time if its bad enough.
I didn't say anything about a Texas "unruly mob" in this link so I don't know why you brought those people up. I didn't mention Texas in the whole thread, you did. I'm talking about Florida.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Protests: A thing of the past.
Next up: Freedom of speech.
Looks like all these anti-war activists we've seen in the past few years. They were everywhere, in every speeches, public & private events, etc.. Why do you, OP, all of a sudden find this disgusting?
Come on..
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When you have a large and loosely netted MOB of people protesting and crap, for ANY reason, there IS a much higher chance that a shooting or fight will occur. MOB mentality, anything could set it off. Or for that matter, petty crime like purse and wallet snatching occurs as petty criminals move in and out. I have seen someone run from a large (100+)mass of people at a theatre, run across two lanes of moving traffic with SUVs going through, into the parking lot to snatch a womans purse as she was sitting down with her husband and then pull a knife on her when he realized he couldn't hide back in the mob with his gang friends. He tried though.
That happens a whole hell of a lot more than, apparently, you realize. That is why I avoid large clusters of people AT ALL COSTS.
These groups of people that are protesting at the townhall meetings, I have seen plenty YT videos of them, remind me a lot of the brainwashed scientologists in particular. A lot of those people may be ordinary protestors, but many of them are not and that adds to the danger of these types of protests.
P.S- those people are wandering around the parking lot/traffic lanes. Now is that entirely legal, or not? Either way its just a bad idea IMO.
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
There were not this many, this organized, this consistently, this intense, this backed by the media. Come on Mardy, be real here.
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
There were not this many, this organized, this consistently, this intense, this backed by the media. Come on Mardy, be real here.
How else do you suggest these people express their concern? Through letters? You call them brainwashed, but I call anybody that supports the Health Care Reform straight-out, brainwashed. Most people don't even know any of the text of this bill, nor could they ever cite a single act, that is unless they heard someone say it on the newz.
What most people don't know, is that it is mandatory, as in, you pay fines if you don't pay for a private or public option. Most people don't know this. Would you consider them brainwashed if they blindly support the bill without knowing that one tidbit? I would most certainly say yes, yes they are.
At least these people seem to give a damn. I've seen way worse mobs. It's not like they're on the streets at a DNC or RNC protest busting windows and throwing molotovs. They're mostly at rinky-dink towns, rather subtle in my opinion. Could be worse... Sure, there may be the possibility that someone flies off the handle and commits an act of violence.. but when is there not that chance? That could happen at any protest, no matter how subtle. That's never deterred people from not giving a protest a chance, not ever, in history. Doesn't matter if they were protesting the Vietnam or the Iraq war, or if they were protesting Caesar. They get their point across, because they care enough to do so.
Yes, belittle them, call them names, demean them, that's what we need. These people who happen to disagree with his most holyness President Obama. Surely, they are wrong because he is right.
I'm not going to debate the bill with you. The bill itself isn't actually relevant in this discussion, we are talking about the protests and their make-up in this thread. That is why I have deleted portions of your post. Please do NOT bring that up in THIS particular thread unless absolutely necessary/relevant.
To refresh your memory, I have stated that I have watched these protests. It is not simply because they march and meet that I deem many of them brainwashed, it is the way they act, speak, and the content of just what some of them say. Having such people in any large cluster or mob of people is very DANGEROUS. Large clusters of people, who gather for any intent, whether they do or do not "give a damn", are generally dangerous without those kinds of people anyway.
It does not matter what the place is either...
You spent pretty much your entire post advancing a political point instead of actually responding to me or the topic. Now that I've reached the bottom of the post I am wondering why you even came in here and quoted me..?
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
I'm not going to debate the bill with you. The bill itself isn't actually relevant in this discussion, we are talking about the protests and their make-up in this thread. That is why I have deleted portions of your post. Please do NOT bring that up in THIS particular thread unless absolutely necessary/relevant.
To refresh your memory, I have stated that I have watched these protests. It is not simply because they march and meet that I deem many of them brainwashed, it is the way they act, speak, and the content of just what some of them say. Having such people in any large cluster or mob of people is very DANGEROUS. Large clusters of people, who gather for any intent, whether they do or do not "give a damn", are generally dangerous without those kinds of people anyway.
It does not matter what the place is either...
You spent pretty much your entire post advancing a political point instead of actually responding to me or the topic. Now that I've reached the bottom of the post I am wondering why you even came in here and quoted me..?
I don't understand how you say the health care reform has nothing to do with it, as this is what they're protesting. If all you have to say is, "Groups of people in protests are dangerous." then.. okay, I guess? If that's all you have to say then I don't have much to say to you in return other than, yeah.. When groups of people merge, situations can get dangerous, sure.
It isn't all of them. It is some of them. And yeah, they act and talk like they are brainwashed dude. When you have a raving lunatic in a crowded room, everyone notices. What is going on, IMO, is the same kind of thing that ultimately led to McCain losing the election. The raving lunatics are backed and defended when today they favor your point, but someone is going to notice that you identify with all of the people supporting your point, including the crazy guy. You want to distance yourself from the crazy obnoxious guy, mmkay?
I think the connection goes even deeper than that, but I will leave it here.
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
It isn't all of them. It is some of them. And yeah, they act and talk like they are brainwashed dude. When you have a raving lunatic in a crowded room, everyone notices. What is going on, IMO, is the same kind of thing that ultimately led to McCain losing the election. The raving lunatics are backed and defended when today they favor your point, but someone is going to notice that you identify with all of the people supporting your point, including the crazy guy. You want to distance yourself from the crazy obnoxious guy, mmkay?
I think the connection goes even deeper than that, but I will leave it here.
Well now you're advancing a political point about McCain or republicans in general, when you just tried to call me out for saying I was derailing the topic talking about their protest of Health Care Reform. I don't really care, just saying.
I wouldn't go to one of these things either, because yeah, it always gets complicated. All parties do this, it's not party exclusive to one or the other. I'd rather see them do it, then feel as though people can't because they're afraid. Know what I'm saying?
I haven't watched any videos on the Tampa event, but I watched several on the South Austin event. Those people were not lunatics, they were simply shouting in unison. Lunatic would be crazy-eyed, unfocused and probably throwing things and being a general paranoid schizophrenic.
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Yeeeaaahhh... you are actually starting to worry me too now. This is not good.
We are talking about a community, a group if you will, of protesters. That is, we are talking about the people doing the protesting, and what happens at the protests, instead of what is actually being protested. And no that was not all that i had to say...
wtf aeroplane... are you really not picking any of this up on your own?
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
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Yeeeaaahhh... you are actually starting to worry me too now. This is not good.
We are talking about a community, a group if you will, of protesters. That is, we are talking about the people doing the protesting, and what happens at the protests, instead of what is actually being protested. And no that was not all that i had to say...
wtf aeroplane... are you really not picking any of this up on your own?
Twist it however you want, I don't care. You started talking about how they are lunatics and then how groups of people are bad, etc. Then you claimed I was curtailing the topic by talking about Health Care Reform. Then you yourself started talking about "lunatics and McCain", so I don't really care at this point.
Yes, I see what your point is, but I don't see the objective here, so I'll just leave it at that and not bother with this issue.
Actually it is directly related, but maybe you missed the hooplah so I'll elaborate. It was noted towards the end of 2008 that many people either protesting Obama or supporting McCain were fringe or crazy people. For a time these types of people had been accepted, even defended, even incensed, by other people solely because they supported XYZ as well.
Well it got the attention of the media, and McCain tried to distance himself from it (I don't think it was his fault or doing necessarily), but it was really to late and blew up in his face. I see history repeating itself here with these protestors and the anti-bill movement.
Brainwashed people do not necessarily throw stuff or act schizophrenic*, and as I said it isn't all of them ( the protestors) but they (the fringe guys) do seem to be there in the mix with them.
*Here watch this, go to about 5 minutes in. I see similar behavior in some of the protestors. Did I mention that I FREAKING HATE THE CHANNEL INTERFACE >:(
http://www.youtube.com/user/xenutv?blend=1&ob=4#play/user/E71DC54824B05891/0/itujmcsinpw
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
Yeah, I've seen that video in it's entirety before.. It's really disturbing. It is quite revealing on how some scientologists think and act. They truly believed that they "Understood" and acted as if they could "Read his Mind" and see his wrong-doings. These people are, to the say the least, just out there.
Just look at their eyes. Do those look like focused and sane individuals? I don't think so. Those eyes are very similar to the eyes of someone who is wasted.