Originally posted by popinjay Obama has stated he would accept the SAME plan Americans are going to get because he thinks it good, but he's not allowed because he's the President which makes sense. Those morons don't know anything. They didn't read the bill nor would they understand what they were reading. They only know what they hear like most of America, but they don't know the source. They just want to yell because it's an "event", just like it was with the teabaggers. People get bored and look for entertainment and this was pretty much free, since they got a free bus ride from the insurance industries' "grassroots" organizers.
Obama can accept it. Simply because he is President doesn't disqualify him. Are you honestly that naive and buying that?
Also, if it is so great, why wouldn't Congress accept it? Senator Coburn put forth a measure that would switch Congress from their nice platinum plan to the public option and everyone oppossed (except Coburn) it and shot it down.
And, it is quite nice that you think everyone who opposes this is a moron and could not understand the bill. I'm wholly against, I read it and understood it quite well. Why don't you go and read it. I sincerely doubt you have.
Originally posted by Dekron Originally posted by popinjay Obama has stated he would accept the SAME plan Americans are going to get because he thinks it good, but he's not allowed because he's the President which makes sense. Those morons don't know anything. They didn't read the bill nor would they understand what they were reading. They only know what they hear like most of America, but they don't know the source. They just want to yell because it's an "event", just like it was with the teabaggers. People get bored and look for entertainment and this was pretty much free, since they got a free bus ride from the insurance industries' "grassroots" organizers.
Obama can accept it. Simply because he is President doesn't disqualify him. Are you honestly that naive and buying that? Also, if it is so great, why wouldn't Congress accept it? Senator Coburn put forth a measure that would switch Congress from their nice platinum plan to the public option and everyone oppossed (except Coburn) it and shot it down. And, it is quite nice that you think everyone who opposes this is a moron and could not understand the bill. I'm wholly against, I read it and understood it quite well. Why don't you go and read it. I sincerely doubt you have.
Just stating a fact friend.
The other poster brought up the issue of "why don't they accept it" and I was explaining why. I'm sorry you missed his post.
There is so much misinformation on both sides of this bill. From people claiming it is completely free health care for everyone to others saying that you'll have to wait 8 hours to see someone after being shot in the face. Many many people don't completely understand the proposed bill, including me. Trying to wade through the bs reported is impossible and reading the bill will give you a headache. I doubt anyone on this board has read the entire thing.
I don't support it because I don't think it goes far enough and is too much of a compromise.
show some proof of disinformation from the conservatives please?
Looks like all these anti-war activists we've seen in the past few years. They were everywhere, in every speeches, public & private events, etc.. Why do you, OP, all of a sudden find this disgusting?
Come on..
There were not this many, this organized, this consistently, this intense, this backed by the media. Come on Mardy, be real here.
Who is Organizing it?
And what Media? Fox? They are reporting on it at best. Rush and friends? To many people to be just his liseners.
I dont see Acorn Busses haulling people into these events. I Dont see Rich Drug companys paying people to show up there... Please if you have proof post it. Im sure you cant.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
There is so much misinformation on both sides of this bill. From people claiming it is completely free health care for everyone to others saying that you'll have to wait 8 hours to see someone after being shot in the face. Many many people don't completely understand the proposed bill, including me. Trying to wade through the bs reported is impossible and reading the bill will give you a headache. I doubt anyone on this board has read the entire thing.
I don't support it because I don't think it goes far enough and is too much of a compromise.
show some proof of disinformation from the conservatives please?
Anti-war protests, there were thousands. Civil rights movement, there were thousands. Hispanics had thousands of people walking down the streets of LA a couple of years ago, stopping all traffic.
I'm sorry if you dislike people "disrupting" things you are supporting. But freedom of speech is freedom of speech. You can't say one is right the other is wrong simply because you dislike what they're protesting about. In other words, if you can dish it, you better learn to take it.
I do find it funny one of the articles about these "townyellers" actually showed a *Democrat* who was speaking up against the healthcare bill. But he was labeled as a republican crazy, he was called names. Seriously people, is it that hard to understand that the country isn't always going to agree with everything Obama wants to do?
Healthcare reform is what people want, not this bill which is taking an existing, non-working system that is medicare which is going bankrupt, and turninng it into something bigger that will cripple the system further. One of this country's top care facility Mayo Clinic agrees with just that.
There is so much misinformation on both sides of this bill. From people claiming it is completely free health care for everyone to others saying that you'll have to wait 8 hours to see someone after being shot in the face. Many many people don't completely understand the proposed bill, including me. Trying to wade through the bs reported is impossible and reading the bill will give you a headache. I doubt anyone on this board has read the entire thing.
I don't support it because I don't think it goes far enough and is too much of a compromise.
show some proof of disinformation from the conservatives please?
Seems the democrats don't refute WHAT is being said, but the words used to say it...once again...manipulation of truth to present it as a lie.
disgusting and vile.
What the hell are you talking about. It says right in your article:
"In fact, the bill says nothing about death with dignity or any other code words for euthanasia. It also does not make these counseling sessions in any way mandatory--it just says that Medicare will start reimbursing for them."
Which is exactly the opposite of what some conservatives are saying and what my point was. Hannity, Limbaugh, all have said that it is mandatory, which it isn't.
Here's a site written by a doctor who actually read the bill... interesting stuff.
" Obama says: "But keep in mind - I mean this is something that I can't emphasize enough - you don't have to participate. If you are happy with the health care that you've got, then keep it."
THE TRUTH: The health bills now before Congress would force you to switch to a managed-care plan with limits on your access to specialists and tests.
Two main bills are being rushed through Congress with the goal of combining them into a finished product by August. Under either, a new government bureaucracy will select health plans that it considers in your best interest, and you will have to enroll in one of these "qualified plans." If you now get your plan through work, your employer has a five-year "grace period" to switch you into a qualified plan. If you buy your own insurance, you'll have less time.
And as soon as anything changes in your contract - such as a change in copays or deductibles, which many insurers change every year - you'll have to move into a qualified plan instead (House bill, p. 16-17).
When you file your taxes, if you can't prove to the IRS that you are in a qualified plan, you'll be fined thousands of dollars - as much as the average cost of a health plan for your family size - and then automatically enrolled in a randomly selected plan (House bill, p. 167-168).
It's one thing to require that people getting government assistance tolerate managed care, but the legislation limits you to a managed-care plan even if you and your employer are footing the bill (Senate bill, p. 57-58). The goal is to reduce everyone's consumption of health care and to ensure that people have the same health-care experience, regardless of ability to pay."
Anti-war protests, there were thousands. Civil rights movement, there were thousands. Hispanics had thousands of people walking down the streets of LA a couple of years ago, stopping all traffic.
I'm sorry if you dislike people "disrupting" things you are supporting. But freedom of speech is freedom of speech. You can't say one is right the other is wrong simply because you dislike what they're protesting about. In other words, if you can dish it, you better learn to take it.
So your point is because "they" disrupted, "we" are disrupting?
That's good logic when people are supposedly acting like adults. No wonder discourse in this country is gone to Hell in a handbasket. People just want to "get even" apparently.
Originally posted by popinjay So your point is because "they" disrupted, "we" are disrupting?
Uh sure, why not, whatever you say. But I'll give you credit the next time you post about people disrupting things you don't support, condeming them and calling them colorful names. Otherwise you're being nothing but partisan. Which honestly is nothing new these days since people hug their political parties despite right or wrong.
Originally posted by Mardy Originally posted by popinjay So your point is because "they" disrupted, "we" are disrupting?
Uh sure, why not, whatever you say. But I'll give you credit the next time you post about people disrupting things you don't support, condeming them and calling them colorful names. Otherwise you're being nothing but partisan. Which honestly is nothing new these days since people hug their political parties despite right or wrong. To physically attend a meeting and start shouting is in no way the same as posting on the internet. You can put someone on "BLOCK" then the rest of the thread can continue without disruption as if the person isn't even there, allowing everyone else to converse normally instead of reading mass profanities.
The next time they add a "BLOCK" feature to a live townhall meeting keeping the yellers out so that those want to hear can, then you may have a point. Until then, your point is lacking in similarities.
They just adapted the tactics of Code Pink and the bozos who disrupted Bushes addresses. Is not turnabout fair play?
Yeah, all the liberals who have bumper stickers which read "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" better tear them off their cars before they get singled out as co-conspirators.
My exact thoughts!
It's funny how when there were protests against Bush it was patriotic to be a dissenter. But now when we have someone in office even more intent on destroying the Constitution and Bill of Rights than Bush was then dissenting against the government is a problem
It is our DUTY to dissent against the government when it grows too big. And I don't care if it's a Republican or Democrat in the office or ruling Congress. If they come to take away my freedoms and my money then I'm going to raise my voice every time!
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
The one thing that keeps going through my mind when I see these videos is why are these people engaging in these shouting matches are still allowed to remain in the meeting? Why aren't these people, regardless of what side you stand on, not summarily kicked out of the meeting for being a disruptive forces. How many times were anti-war protesters escorted out when they disrupted a speech or something of that nature. Why is ANYONE still allowed to remain if they can not or will not act in a civilized way and are determined to turn what is a normal part of the democratic process into a three ring circus. If these people what to shout at each other, then move them outside where they can shout until they're horse!! I mean this is a town meeting they are attending not feckin' WWF Smackdown!!
These people who disrupt these things like this are just idiots and then the Democrats are just taking advantage of it making the MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WHO OPPOSE HEALTH CARE REFORM WITH A GOVERNMENET OPTION look like a bunch of drooling idiots. I've seen some fool on these boards with the 2008 election results as "majority rules". A majority of Americans do not want Health Care rammed down our throats with none of our elected representative reading the bill and passing a bill that would, within a decade, wipe out private health care insurance. Pretty simple how they do it, whenever you change healthcare providers whether it be by changing jobs, your company changing, etc you will be unwillingly forced into the governement plan. Where is the majority rules on this part pal? Or do you just pick and choose what majority rules? Right now a majority of F'ing idots rules this country and there is no argument against that.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
I'm sorry if you dislike people "disrupting" things you are supporting. But freedom of speech is freedom of speech. You can't say one is right the other is wrong simply because you dislike what they're protesting about. In other words, if you can dish it, you better learn to take it.
That would be a small riot that happened in Tampa BTW.
Oh and, kudos to many of the posters in here turning this into a political fight, and a discussion about the bill. Like every single thread on the board so far. Welcome to my block, 6 people from this thread alone.
To further demonstrate what I was talking about earlier, look at the comments. People genuinely believe that dissenters will be sent to fema camps... those are the same people that are attending these protests. They aren't batcrap insane?
Yeah.
___________________ Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
There is so much misinformation on both sides of this bill. From people claiming it is completely free health care for everyone to others saying that you'll have to wait 8 hours to see someone after being shot in the face. Many many people don't completely understand the proposed bill, including me. Trying to wade through the bs reported is impossible and reading the bill will give you a headache. I doubt anyone on this board has read the entire thing.
I don't support it because I don't think it goes far enough and is too much of a compromise.
show some proof of disinformation from the conservatives please?
Sarah Palin, darling of the lunatic fringe, says this:
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
That's right -- this crazy bitch is insisting that there will be a "death panel." Eugenics in America, coming your way!
That took me 20 seconds to find. Didn't have to look hard.
That's it? People raising their voices because they can't get in to the townhall meeting? Did any of you that watched the video have a hard time listening to the speaker? I call false adverstising on the St. Petersburg Times for disapointing me. I am thanking them though for the picture shown in the article, which description reads:
Karen Miracle pushes Barry Osteen, right, who was debating her husband, Garry. “We have the best health care system in the world and I’m completely happy with what we have,” Osteen said.
Don't get me wrong I think causing a rukas where no dialog can be made is counterproductive. The argument against socialized healthcare can be easily made without shouting but I can see why people are so upset. Congressman are laughing at the notion that they need to read the whole bill, a bill has huge implications for the American people. That alone is enough to upset me.
One thing is for sure: This is just a fraction of the people upset by what's going on in our country. The healthcare bill is big but isn't the whole picture. Luckily more people are seeing it.
I'm sorry if you dislike people "disrupting" things you are supporting. But freedom of speech is freedom of speech. You can't say one is right the other is wrong simply because you dislike what they're protesting about. In other words, if you can dish it, you better learn to take it.
That would be a small riot that happened in Tampa BTW.
Oh and, kudos to many of the posters in here turning this into a political fight, and a discussion about the bill. Like every single thread on the board so far. Welcome to my block, 6 people from this thread alone.
To further demonstrate what I was talking about earlier, look at the comments. People genuinely believe that dissenters will be sent to fema camps... those are the same people that are attending these protests. They aren't batcrap insane?
Yeah.
You call that a small riot? Oooo, crazy conservatives are lighting the town on fire again. On that same site type "riot" and see if they look the same.
I'm responsing because I took the time to watch the whole video. I agree with the guy about how shouting your point is not really a debate. Those clips weren't during a debate though, they were protests. As far as I know shouting the same thing over and over is a normal occurance at a protest.
I liked two things about that video. One was him feeling "sad" for people who don't really understand what the bills about though he had the auto answer "If you like your current plan..." but nothing else. Second was the comment about these protests being the "last gasp of the angry white man".
View the video in my link, at the bottom of the previous page. They were yelling, causing a ruckus, shoving, and a man even had his shirt ripped.
Oh, but the film wasn't rolling at that point right? Look at the part that was filmed and tell me it was a violent scene. When the doors shut did they pound on is angrily demanding they open it back up? No, they stood there almost slient. Yeah, it seemed really violent.
You call that a small riot? Oooo, crazy conservatives are lighting the town on fire again. On that same site type "riot" and see if they look the same. I'm responsing because I took the time to watch the whole video. I agree with the guy about how shouting your point is not really a debate. Those clips weren't during a debate though, they were protests. As far as I know shouting the same thing over and over is a normal occurance at a protest. I liked two things about that video. One was him feeling "sad" for people who don't really understand what the bills about though he had the auto answer "If you like your current plan..." but nothing else. Second was the comment about these protests being the "last gasp of the angry white man".
I don't agree with many of the things that host says either, and flat out have a problem with others. I didn't watch the whole video though, I was just looking for a video of the Tampa incident. I'm not arguing for or against the validity of either argument regarding the bills themselves, just here to talk about the protests. With one exception- I am a conservative, go read my first posts on the forum where I was called a neocon and crap.
Anywho, the behavior at the protest was unacceptable. Pushing, showing, and yelling inside a very full area is a serious problem that can easily slip into a deadly one. Moreover, this behavior persists into the debates where people giving Q@A are completely drowned out. There is NO good reason for them to act like that.
___________________ Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
Originally posted by Fishermage While I do not agree with these tactics on either side, no one on the left has any right to complain.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Who here is being a hypocrite, and how? Did I not have a problem with people protesting at funerals, yelling during Bushs' speeches? For a bonus round, how many of them were like these?
___________________ Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
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Obama can accept it. Simply because he is President doesn't disqualify him. Are you honestly that naive and buying that?
Also, if it is so great, why wouldn't Congress accept it? Senator Coburn put forth a measure that would switch Congress from their nice platinum plan to the public option and everyone oppossed (except Coburn) it and shot it down.
And, it is quite nice that you think everyone who opposes this is a moron and could not understand the bill. I'm wholly against, I read it and understood it quite well. Why don't you go and read it. I sincerely doubt you have.
Also, if it is so great, why wouldn't Congress accept it? Senator Coburn put forth a measure that would switch Congress from their nice platinum plan to the public option and everyone oppossed (except Coburn) it and shot it down.
And, it is quite nice that you think everyone who opposes this is a moron and could not understand the bill. I'm wholly against, I read it and understood it quite well. Why don't you go and read it. I sincerely doubt you have.
Just stating a fact friend.
The other poster brought up the issue of "why don't they accept it" and I was explaining why. I'm sorry you missed his post.
Why won't Congress accept it? Now WHO's naive?
"TO MICHAEL!"
show some proof of disinformation from the conservatives please?
http://mediamatters.org/research/200907310051
It's a liberal media outlet, but it doesn't change the facts.
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There were not this many, this organized, this consistently, this intense, this backed by the media. Come on Mardy, be real here.
Who is Organizing it?
And what Media? Fox? They are reporting on it at best. Rush and friends? To many people to be just his liseners.
I dont see Acorn Busses haulling people into these events. I Dont see Rich Drug companys paying people to show up there... Please if you have proof post it. Im sure you cant.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
show some proof of disinformation from the conservatives please?
http://mediamatters.org/research/200907310051
It's a liberal media outlet, but it doesn't change the facts.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/24/obamacare-medicare-death-business-healthcare-obamacare.html
you may want to check your facts then.
Seems the democrats don't refute WHAT is being said, but the words used to say it...once again...manipulation of truth to present it as a lie.
disgusting and vile.
Anti-war protests, there were thousands. Civil rights movement, there were thousands. Hispanics had thousands of people walking down the streets of LA a couple of years ago, stopping all traffic.
I'm sorry if you dislike people "disrupting" things you are supporting. But freedom of speech is freedom of speech. You can't say one is right the other is wrong simply because you dislike what they're protesting about. In other words, if you can dish it, you better learn to take it.
I do find it funny one of the articles about these "townyellers" actually showed a *Democrat* who was speaking up against the healthcare bill. But he was labeled as a republican crazy, he was called names. Seriously people, is it that hard to understand that the country isn't always going to agree with everything Obama wants to do?
Healthcare reform is what people want, not this bill which is taking an existing, non-working system that is medicare which is going bankrupt, and turninng it into something bigger that will cripple the system further. One of this country's top care facility Mayo Clinic agrees with just that.
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show some proof of disinformation from the conservatives please?
http://mediamatters.org/research/200907310051
It's a liberal media outlet, but it doesn't change the facts.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/24/obamacare-medicare-death-business-healthcare-obamacare.html
you may want to check your facts then.
Seems the democrats don't refute WHAT is being said, but the words used to say it...once again...manipulation of truth to present it as a lie.
disgusting and vile.
What the hell are you talking about. It says right in your article:
"In fact, the bill says nothing about death with dignity or any other code words for euthanasia. It also does not make these counseling sessions in any way mandatory--it just says that Medicare will start reimbursing for them."
Which is exactly the opposite of what some conservatives are saying and what my point was. Hannity, Limbaugh, all have said that it is mandatory, which it isn't.
The Official God FAQ
Here's a site written by a doctor who actually read the bill... interesting stuff.
" Obama says: "But keep in mind - I mean this is something that I can't emphasize enough - you don't have to participate. If you are happy with the health care that you've got, then keep it."
THE TRUTH: The health bills now before Congress would force you to switch to a managed-care plan with limits on your access to specialists and tests.
Two main bills are being rushed through Congress with the goal of combining them into a finished product by August. Under either, a new government bureaucracy will select health plans that it considers in your best interest, and you will have to enroll in one of these "qualified plans." If you now get your plan through work, your employer has a five-year "grace period" to switch you into a qualified plan. If you buy your own insurance, you'll have less time.
And as soon as anything changes in your contract - such as a change in copays or deductibles, which many insurers change every year - you'll have to move into a qualified plan instead (House bill, p. 16-17).
When you file your taxes, if you can't prove to the IRS that you are in a qualified plan, you'll be fined thousands of dollars - as much as the average cost of a health plan for your family size - and then automatically enrolled in a randomly selected plan (House bill, p. 167-168).
It's one thing to require that people getting government assistance tolerate managed care, but the legislation limits you to a managed-care plan even if you and your employer are footing the bill (Senate bill, p. 57-58). The goal is to reduce everyone's consumption of health care and to ensure that people have the same health-care experience, regardless of ability to pay."
I wish everyone would wake up and realize how stupid both the current and the proposed systems are.
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So your point is because "they" disrupted, "we" are disrupting?
That's good logic when people are supposedly acting like adults. No wonder discourse in this country is gone to Hell in a handbasket. People just want to "get even" apparently.
Truth be damned.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Uh sure, why not, whatever you say. But I'll give you credit the next time you post about people disrupting things you don't support, condeming them and calling them colorful names. Otherwise you're being nothing but partisan. Which honestly is nothing new these days since people hug their political parties despite right or wrong.
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Uh sure, why not, whatever you say. But I'll give you credit the next time you post about people disrupting things you don't support, condeming them and calling them colorful names. Otherwise you're being nothing but partisan. Which honestly is nothing new these days since people hug their political parties despite right or wrong.
To physically attend a meeting and start shouting is in no way the same as posting on the internet. You can put someone on "BLOCK" then the rest of the thread can continue without disruption as if the person isn't even there, allowing everyone else to converse normally instead of reading mass profanities.
The next time they add a "BLOCK" feature to a live townhall meeting keeping the yellers out so that those want to hear can, then you may have a point. Until then, your point is lacking in similarities.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Yeah, all the liberals who have bumper stickers which read "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" better tear them off their cars before they get singled out as co-conspirators.
My exact thoughts!
It's funny how when there were protests against Bush it was patriotic to be a dissenter. But now when we have someone in office even more intent on destroying the Constitution and Bill of Rights than Bush was then dissenting against the government is a problem
It is our DUTY to dissent against the government when it grows too big. And I don't care if it's a Republican or Democrat in the office or ruling Congress. If they come to take away my freedoms and my money then I'm going to raise my voice every time!
=============================
It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
The one thing that keeps going through my mind when I see these videos is why are these people engaging in these shouting matches are still allowed to remain in the meeting? Why aren't these people, regardless of what side you stand on, not summarily kicked out of the meeting for being a disruptive forces. How many times were anti-war protesters escorted out when they disrupted a speech or something of that nature. Why is ANYONE still allowed to remain if they can not or will not act in a civilized way and are determined to turn what is a normal part of the democratic process into a three ring circus. If these people what to shout at each other, then move them outside where they can shout until they're horse!! I mean this is a town meeting they are attending not feckin' WWF Smackdown!!
These people who disrupt these things like this are just idiots and then the Democrats are just taking advantage of it making the MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WHO OPPOSE HEALTH CARE REFORM WITH A GOVERNMENET OPTION look like a bunch of drooling idiots. I've seen some fool on these boards with the 2008 election results as "majority rules". A majority of Americans do not want Health Care rammed down our throats with none of our elected representative reading the bill and passing a bill that would, within a decade, wipe out private health care insurance. Pretty simple how they do it, whenever you change healthcare providers whether it be by changing jobs, your company changing, etc you will be unwillingly forced into the governement plan. Where is the majority rules on this part pal? Or do you just pick and choose what majority rules? Right now a majority of F'ing idots rules this country and there is no argument against that.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q0LZad9pfA
That would be a small riot that happened in Tampa BTW.
Oh and, kudos to many of the posters in here turning this into a political fight, and a discussion about the bill. Like every single thread on the board so far. Welcome to my block, 6 people from this thread alone.
To further demonstrate what I was talking about earlier, look at the comments. People genuinely believe that dissenters will be sent to fema camps... those are the same people that are attending these protests. They aren't batcrap insane?
Yeah.
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show some proof of disinformation from the conservatives please?
Okay.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/palin-obamas-death-panel-could-kill-my-down-syndrome-baby.php
Sarah Palin, darling of the lunatic fringe, says this:
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
That's right -- this crazy bitch is insisting that there will be a "death panel." Eugenics in America, coming your way!
That took me 20 seconds to find. Didn't have to look hard.
I just watched the video.......
That's it? People raising their voices because they can't get in to the townhall meeting? Did any of you that watched the video have a hard time listening to the speaker? I call false adverstising on the St. Petersburg Times for disapointing me. I am thanking them though for the picture shown in the article, which description reads:
Karen Miracle pushes Barry Osteen, right, who was debating her husband, Garry. “We have the best health care system in the world and I’m completely happy with what we have,” Osteen said.
Don't get me wrong I think causing a rukas where no dialog can be made is counterproductive. The argument against socialized healthcare can be easily made without shouting but I can see why people are so upset. Congressman are laughing at the notion that they need to read the whole bill, a bill has huge implications for the American people. That alone is enough to upset me.
One thing is for sure: This is just a fraction of the people upset by what's going on in our country. The healthcare bill is big but isn't the whole picture. Luckily more people are seeing it.
Just not worth my time anymore.
No.
View the video in my link, at the bottom of the previous page. They were yelling, causing a ruckus, shoving, and a man even had his shirt ripped.
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q0LZad9pfA
That would be a small riot that happened in Tampa BTW.
Oh and, kudos to many of the posters in here turning this into a political fight, and a discussion about the bill. Like every single thread on the board so far. Welcome to my block, 6 people from this thread alone.
To further demonstrate what I was talking about earlier, look at the comments. People genuinely believe that dissenters will be sent to fema camps... those are the same people that are attending these protests. They aren't batcrap insane?
Yeah.
You call that a small riot? Oooo, crazy conservatives are lighting the town on fire again. On that same site type "riot" and see if they look the same.
I'm responsing because I took the time to watch the whole video. I agree with the guy about how shouting your point is not really a debate. Those clips weren't during a debate though, they were protests. As far as I know shouting the same thing over and over is a normal occurance at a protest.
I liked two things about that video. One was him feeling "sad" for people who don't really understand what the bills about though he had the auto answer "If you like your current plan..." but nothing else. Second was the comment about these protests being the "last gasp of the angry white man".
Just not worth my time anymore.
No.
View the video in my link, at the bottom of the previous page. They were yelling, causing a ruckus, shoving, and a man even had his shirt ripped.
Oh, but the film wasn't rolling at that point right? Look at the part that was filmed and tell me it was a violent scene. When the doors shut did they pound on is angrily demanding they open it back up? No, they stood there almost slient. Yeah, it seemed really violent.
Just not worth my time anymore.
I don't agree with many of the things that host says either, and flat out have a problem with others. I didn't watch the whole video though, I was just looking for a video of the Tampa incident. I'm not arguing for or against the validity of either argument regarding the bills themselves, just here to talk about the protests. With one exception- I am a conservative, go read my first posts on the forum where I was called a neocon and crap.
Anywho, the behavior at the protest was unacceptable. Pushing, showing, and yelling inside a very full area is a serious problem that can easily slip into a deadly one. Moreover, this behavior persists into the debates where people giving Q@A are completely drowned out. There is NO good reason for them to act like that.
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
Oh the hypocrisy. When the people against the advancement of socialism use the tactics of the left, the left gets upset.
While I do not agree with these tactics on either side, no one on the left has any right to complain.
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Two wrongs do not make a right. Who here is being a hypocrite, and how? Did I not have a problem with people protesting at funerals, yelling during Bushs' speeches? For a bonus round, how many of them were like these?
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
Please, elaborate.