Originally posted by Fishermage While I do not agree with these tactics on either side, no one on the left has any right to complain.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Who here is being a hypocrite, and how? Did I not have a problem with people protesting at funerals, yelling during Bushs' speeches? For a bonus round, how many of them were like these?
Yup, that's why i said I disagree with it. I don't know what you did or said but for the most part, the left (Obama included with his friends at Acorn) were the ones who started this crap.
Anti-war protests, there were thousands. Civil rights movement, there were thousands. Hispanics had thousands of people walking down the streets of LA a couple of years ago, stopping all traffic.
I'm sorry if you dislike people "disrupting" things you are supporting. But freedom of speech is freedom of speech. You can't say one is right the other is wrong simply because you dislike what they're protesting about. In other words, if you can dish it, you better learn to take it.
People on the left can't take it though. Ask Don Imus. They're mostly small people who are not comfortable being in charge and would rather be the "underdog" that criticizes authority without knowing a damn thing about responsibility and leadership. Hell Obama's still blaming Bush for the economy even as it's gotten worse under his management.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Who here is being a hypocrite, and how? Did I not have a problem with people protesting at funerals, yelling during Bushs' speeches? For a bonus round, how many of them were like these?
I find this the troubling part as well.
Conservatives are basically saying "The Liberals hit us when Bush was in office, so now it's our turn to hit back. They did it, so we are doing it."
This would be funny I guess if the national situation wasn't so dire after Bush left office, but Obama is clearly doing his best to work us out of this mess. I cannot see any clear links between Obama and big business like Bush had with Halliburton/Blackwater/Enron/Insurance companies that made going to war or denying health insurance profitable.
About the closest connection that seems slightly dubious to me is all the former Wall Street people Obama has. But Bush had the same so there really isn't much difference on that front. But Obama certainly doesn't have any links to Big Oil and Big Insurance lobbies.
I think these townyellers are just pawns of those big companies, so that the message gets lost in the shouting. When Hillary Clinton wanted to do the SAME THING (healthcare) in a GOOD economy, these same interest groups squashed that pretty much the same way; lies and disinformation.
Originally posted by popinjay About the closest connection that seems slightly dubious to me is all the former Wall Street people Obama has. But Bush had the same so there really isn't much difference on that front.
"Two wrongs do not make a right"
By the way, you should've noticed other dubious things such as government's bailout and takeover of auto industry, energy, housing, and soon healthcare. To stand thre and say special interest groups do not play a role in this administration versus other ones is naive. You're closing one eye because you support this party & this administration. Somebody out there is making bank out of this whole mess. GE is smiling because after all is said and done, they're getting preferred treatment from the Whitehouse. So once again...
Originally posted by Mardy Originally posted by popinjay About the closest connection that seems slightly dubious to me is all the former Wall Street people Obama has. But Bush had the same so there really isn't much difference on that front.
"Two wrongs do not make a right"
By the way, you should've noticed other dubious things such as government's bailout and takeover of auto industry, energy, housing, and soon healthcare. To stand thre and say special interest groups do not play a role in this administration versus other ones is naive. You're closing one eye because you support this party & this administration. Somebody out there is making bank out of this whole mess. GE is smiling because after all is said and done, they're getting preferred treatment from the Whitehouse. So once again...
"Two wrongs do not make a right"
I'm sitting and I didn't say anything. I typed it.
If you have some proof of the special interest lobby influencing the Obama Adminstration's decisions you should post that. So far that appears to be your opinion.
You say "SOMEBODY" is making bank,, and you don't seem to know who that somebody is, nor have proof. That doesn't sound like anything but opinion, yet you say I have one eye closed. Your eyes can't even find this mystical, mysterious "somebody" and supposedly, your eyes are wide open, lol. And GM didn't get "preferred treatment" from the White House. More opinion; no proof.
Townyellers have no proof of any of this nonsense, yet this is what's repeated from Fox to make them run out and yell at the top of their lungs. It's been factually proven that links from conservative special interests representing the insurance/healthcare lobbies are fronting a lot these people.
I hope you aren't denying that because you know I'll link it.
It's ok for these people to voice their opinions, but to carry it to an extreme and go overboard? They need to be escorted out of the meeting at that point. And if they refuse? To jail they go for disorderly conduct, sorry but that's the law.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
Yippee!!! People are mad at Obama. The great savior of America seems to be falling off his perch.
I just hope that American's can remember how angry they were at Bush as well so that next election we don't get caught up in our Republican to Democrat to Republican ping pong match that we are notorious for.
Both of these parties are shit. Quit voting for them. Neither one of them look to the Constitution and Bill of Rights to make their decisions. Their decisions include talks about how to get around our founding documents and to eventually not deal with them at all. It is our responsibility to tell both of these freedom hating parties to go to hell.
Yippee!!! People are mad at Obama. The great savior of America seems to be falling off his perch. I just hope that American's can remember how angry they were at Bush as well so that next election we don't get caught up in our Republican to Democrat to Republican ping pong match that we are notorious for. Both of these parties are shit. Quit voting for them. Neither one of them look to the Constitution and Bill of Rights to make their decisions. Their decisions include talks about how to get around our founding documents and to eventually not deal with them at all. It is our responsibility to tell both of these freedom hating parties to go to hell.
So they can be replaced by two new parties that do the same thing?
Yippee!!! People are mad at Obama. The great savior of America seems to be falling off his perch. I just hope that American's can remember how angry they were at Bush as well so that next election we don't get caught up in our Republican to Democrat to Republican ping pong match that we are notorious for. Both of these parties are shit. Quit voting for them. Neither one of them look to the Constitution and Bill of Rights to make their decisions. Their decisions include talks about how to get around our founding documents and to eventually not deal with them at all. It is our responsibility to tell both of these freedom hating parties to go to hell.
So they can be replaced by two new parties that do the same thing?
No thanks, I'd rather reform what we have.
Yeah.. a political revolution in Washington wouldn't take too long before it returned to 'business as usual'. I'd rather keep the "parties" we have.. as hard as it is for me to say that... but generously pepper them with level-headed people like Ron Paul. I don't agree with all of this man's policies, but he is by far the most intellectual and mature man in Washington that I ever seem to see.
We need more people like him. His son Rand is running for senate by the way.
Again, not saying that.. "If Ron Paul Be Prezident all Is win forevar".. merely stating we need more level-headed people like him to keep shit straight in Washington.
It's ok for these people to voice their opinions, but to carry it to an extreme and go overboard? They need to be escorted out of the meeting at that point. And if they refuse? To jail they go for disorderly conduct, sorry but that's the law.
Exactly! If some people can't act in a civilized manner at ANY kind of public gathering and insist on being disruptive, they either calm down or get expelled. And if they resist, send them off to jail to cool their jets. It's the same if you go to any public event, be it a concert, ballgame or whatever...you act in a disruptive manner and refuse to settle down, you get booted out. Plain and simple! These shouter, and I don't care what side they are on, are an utter and complete embarrassment and only reinforce the stupid, loud and obnoxious stereotype that Americans have been labeled with.
(The brainwashed Republican conservative supposeably opposing the debacles in this bill)
The "who's pulling the strings" question I'm not going into because I didn't have enough opinion changing evidence presented against my view in the "Why doesn't the media cover this" thread.
Yippee!!! People are mad at Obama. The great savior of America seems to be falling off his perch. I just hope that American's can remember how angry they were at Bush as well so that next election we don't get caught up in our Republican to Democrat to Republican ping pong match that we are notorious for. Both of these parties are shit. Quit voting for them. Neither one of them look to the Constitution and Bill of Rights to make their decisions. Their decisions include talks about how to get around our founding documents and to eventually not deal with them at all. It is our responsibility to tell both of these freedom hating parties to go to hell.
I think we need to break down into the real way our politics are dividing: libertarians and authoriatarians.
BOTH political parties have been destroyed by the authoritarians -- socialists on the left and fascists on the right. What we need is the people of liberty in both parties to get behind the libertarians, and leave the other two to form an authoritarian coolition around whoever the next Obama or Bush is (tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber)
Yippee!!! People are mad at Obama. The great savior of America seems to be falling off his perch. I just hope that American's can remember how angry they were at Bush as well so that next election we don't get caught up in our Republican to Democrat to Republican ping pong match that we are notorious for. Both of these parties are shit. Quit voting for them. Neither one of them look to the Constitution and Bill of Rights to make their decisions. Their decisions include talks about how to get around our founding documents and to eventually not deal with them at all. It is our responsibility to tell both of these freedom hating parties to go to hell.
I think we need to break down into the real way our politics are dividing: libertarians and authoriatarians.
BOTH political parties have been destroyed by the authoritarians -- socialists on the left and fascists on the right. What we need is the people of liberty in both parties to get behind the libertarians, and leave the other two to form an authoritarian coolition around whoever the next Obama or Bush is (tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber)
I don't think you will ever see this short of a civil war. To go back to founding principles would look, to a huge portion of the population, like Obama does to freedom and liberty. A LOT of people would lose power and money.
This idea of "quit voting for them" should have proven you wrong this last election. That is what a lot on the Right did and it got worse, not better.
Yippee!!! People are mad at Obama. The great savior of America seems to be falling off his perch. I just hope that American's can remember how angry they were at Bush as well so that next election we don't get caught up in our Republican to Democrat to Republican ping pong match that we are notorious for. Both of these parties are shit. Quit voting for them. Neither one of them look to the Constitution and Bill of Rights to make their decisions. Their decisions include talks about how to get around our founding documents and to eventually not deal with them at all. It is our responsibility to tell both of these freedom hating parties to go to hell.
I think we need to break down into the real way our politics are dividing: libertarians and authoriatarians.
BOTH political parties have been destroyed by the authoritarians -- socialists on the left and fascists on the right. What we need is the people of liberty in both parties to get behind the libertarians, and leave the other two to form an authoritarian coolition around whoever the next Obama or Bush is (tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber)
I don't think you will ever see this short of a civil war. To go back to founding principles would look, to a huge portion of the population, like Obama does to freedom and liberty. A LOT of people would lose power and money.
This idea of "quit voting for them" should have proven you wrong this last election. That is what a lot on the Right did and it got worse, not better.
You make a fair point, but if the dollar collapses and we end up with hyperinflation and sever recession or depression at the same time, anything can happen.
Or, the Liberty Caucus of the Republican Party may rise. Dr. paul has sown the seeds, if we get someone younger with more charisma and a few less of his wackier ideas, and a bit less isolationist, we'll see.
You make a fair point, but if the dollar collapses and we end up with hyperinflation and sever recession or depression at the same time, anything can happen. Or, the Liberty Caucus of the Republican Party may rise. Dr. paul has sown the seeds, if we get someone younger with more charisma and a few less of his wackier ideas, and a bit less isolationist, we'll see.
LoL lets see what the rest of the year has in store for us:
~ We've got 1 pandemic plague cooking here in the states, with another (pneumonic plague) vaguely possible.
~The passing or failing of one or all of the health reform bills.
~Hurricane season.
~The month of October.
If you want a political party to rise, you do not want it to have any obvious connections to the republican party, especially right there in the name.
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You make a fair point, but if the dollar collapses and we end up with hyperinflation and sever recession or depression at the same time, anything can happen. Or, the Liberty Caucus of the Republican Party may rise. Dr. paul has sown the seeds, if we get someone younger with more charisma and a few less of his wackier ideas, and a bit less isolationist, we'll see.
LoL lets see what the rest of the year has in store for us:
~ We've got 1 pandemic plague cooking here in the states, with another (pneumonic plague) vaguely possible.
~The passing or failing of one or all of the health reform bills.
~Hurricane season.
~The month of October.
If you want a political party to rise, you do not want it to have any obvious connections to the republican party, especially right there in the name.
I completely agree, which is why I first said the libertarian party, which started way back when Nixon imposed wage and price controls. The Young Republicans for Freedom broke away and did it.
However, within the Republican Party there is a group that stands for freedom. There is no such similar thing within the democratic party, which has devolved into a mix of socialism, fascism, and other strains of authoritarian collectivism (like syndicalism -- rule by trade unions). See -- I separated them for you, even though I think they can all fit under the broad heading of socialist thinking (but not necessarily MARXIST thinking -- people, forget socialism predates marx).
the trouble within the Libertarian Party is: too many anarchists that won't compromise. I am an anarchocapitalist -- but I realize there is not a chance that America would or should adopt such a thing any time soon. We must advnace toward freedom with baby steps.
This is why, like the communists of old did through the Democratic party, I believe we advance THROUGH mainstream thought, gradually sweeping away the socialism and fascism in the system now, and move slowly toward a freer society. This will happen as space exploration opens new territories anyway, but I'd like to work on that now and plant the seeds today.
I am radical BUT willing to compromise. The party thus far is not. I see that as a problem.
However, I see no reason that we can't do to the Republican Party what the communists did to the Democrats.
Either way, as long as people are set free, I'm cool with it.
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Two wrongs do not make a right. Who here is being a hypocrite, and how? Did I not have a problem with people protesting at funerals, yelling during Bushs' speeches? For a bonus round, how many of them were like these?
Yup, that's why i said I disagree with it. I don't know what you did or said but for the most part, the left (Obama included with his friends at Acorn) were the ones who started this crap.
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People on the left can't take it though. Ask Don Imus. They're mostly small people who are not comfortable being in charge and would rather be the "underdog" that criticizes authority without knowing a damn thing about responsibility and leadership. Hell Obama's still blaming Bush for the economy even as it's gotten worse under his management.
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I find this the troubling part as well.
Conservatives are basically saying "The Liberals hit us when Bush was in office, so now it's our turn to hit back. They did it, so we are doing it."
This would be funny I guess if the national situation wasn't so dire after Bush left office, but Obama is clearly doing his best to work us out of this mess. I cannot see any clear links between Obama and big business like Bush had with Halliburton/Blackwater/Enron/Insurance companies that made going to war or denying health insurance profitable.
About the closest connection that seems slightly dubious to me is all the former Wall Street people Obama has. But Bush had the same so there really isn't much difference on that front. But Obama certainly doesn't have any links to Big Oil and Big Insurance lobbies.
I think these townyellers are just pawns of those big companies, so that the message gets lost in the shouting. When Hillary Clinton wanted to do the SAME THING (healthcare) in a GOOD economy, these same interest groups squashed that pretty much the same way; lies and disinformation.
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"Two wrongs do not make a right"
By the way, you should've noticed other dubious things such as government's bailout and takeover of auto industry, energy, housing, and soon healthcare. To stand thre and say special interest groups do not play a role in this administration versus other ones is naive. You're closing one eye because you support this party & this administration. Somebody out there is making bank out of this whole mess. GE is smiling because after all is said and done, they're getting preferred treatment from the Whitehouse. So once again...
"Two wrongs do not make a right"
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"Two wrongs do not make a right"
By the way, you should've noticed other dubious things such as government's bailout and takeover of auto industry, energy, housing, and soon healthcare. To stand thre and say special interest groups do not play a role in this administration versus other ones is naive. You're closing one eye because you support this party & this administration. Somebody out there is making bank out of this whole mess. GE is smiling because after all is said and done, they're getting preferred treatment from the Whitehouse. So once again...
"Two wrongs do not make a right"
I'm sitting and I didn't say anything. I typed it.
If you have some proof of the special interest lobby influencing the Obama Adminstration's decisions you should post that. So far that appears to be your opinion.
You say "SOMEBODY" is making bank,, and you don't seem to know who that somebody is, nor have proof. That doesn't sound like anything but opinion, yet you say I have one eye closed. Your eyes can't even find this mystical, mysterious "somebody" and supposedly, your eyes are wide open, lol. And GM didn't get "preferred treatment" from the White House. More opinion; no proof.
Townyellers have no proof of any of this nonsense, yet this is what's repeated from Fox to make them run out and yell at the top of their lungs. It's been factually proven that links from conservative special interests representing the insurance/healthcare lobbies are fronting a lot these people.
I hope you aren't denying that because you know I'll link it.
"TO MICHAEL!"
It's ok for these people to voice their opinions, but to carry it to an extreme and go overboard? They need to be escorted out of the meeting at that point. And if they refuse? To jail they go for disorderly conduct, sorry but that's the law.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
Yippee!!! People are mad at Obama. The great savior of America seems to be falling off his perch.
I just hope that American's can remember how angry they were at Bush as well so that next election we don't get caught up in our Republican to Democrat to Republican ping pong match that we are notorious for.
Both of these parties are shit. Quit voting for them. Neither one of them look to the Constitution and Bill of Rights to make their decisions. Their decisions include talks about how to get around our founding documents and to eventually not deal with them at all. It is our responsibility to tell both of these freedom hating parties to go to hell.
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So they can be replaced by two new parties that do the same thing?
No thanks, I'd rather reform what we have.
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So they can be replaced by two new parties that do the same thing?
No thanks, I'd rather reform what we have.
Yeah.. a political revolution in Washington wouldn't take too long before it returned to 'business as usual'. I'd rather keep the "parties" we have.. as hard as it is for me to say that... but generously pepper them with level-headed people like Ron Paul. I don't agree with all of this man's policies, but he is by far the most intellectual and mature man in Washington that I ever seem to see.
We need more people like him. His son Rand is running for senate by the way.
Again, not saying that.. "If Ron Paul Be Prezident all Is win forevar".. merely stating we need more level-headed people like him to keep shit straight in Washington.
Exactly! If some people can't act in a civilized manner at ANY kind of public gathering and insist on being disruptive, they either calm down or get expelled. And if they resist, send them off to jail to cool their jets. It's the same if you go to any public event, be it a concert, ballgame or whatever...you act in a disruptive manner and refuse to settle down, you get booted out. Plain and simple! These shouter, and I don't care what side they are on, are an utter and complete embarrassment and only reinforce the stupid, loud and obnoxious stereotype that Americans have been labeled with.
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I think trying to pass a 1,017 page bill ever so quickly qualifies as not listening.
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"I'm a registered Democrat", is said.
(The brainwashed Republican conservative supposeably opposing the debacles in this bill)
The "who's pulling the strings" question I'm not going into because I didn't have enough opinion changing evidence presented against my view in the "Why doesn't the media cover this" thread.
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I think we need to break down into the real way our politics are dividing: libertarians and authoriatarians.
BOTH political parties have been destroyed by the authoritarians -- socialists on the left and fascists on the right. What we need is the people of liberty in both parties to get behind the libertarians, and leave the other two to form an authoritarian coolition around whoever the next Obama or Bush is (tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber)
fishermage.blogspot.com
I think we need to break down into the real way our politics are dividing: libertarians and authoriatarians.
BOTH political parties have been destroyed by the authoritarians -- socialists on the left and fascists on the right. What we need is the people of liberty in both parties to get behind the libertarians, and leave the other two to form an authoritarian coolition around whoever the next Obama or Bush is (tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber)
I don't think you will ever see this short of a civil war. To go back to founding principles would look, to a huge portion of the population, like Obama does to freedom and liberty. A LOT of people would lose power and money.
This idea of "quit voting for them" should have proven you wrong this last election. That is what a lot on the Right did and it got worse, not better.
I think we need to break down into the real way our politics are dividing: libertarians and authoriatarians.
BOTH political parties have been destroyed by the authoritarians -- socialists on the left and fascists on the right. What we need is the people of liberty in both parties to get behind the libertarians, and leave the other two to form an authoritarian coolition around whoever the next Obama or Bush is (tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber)
I don't think you will ever see this short of a civil war. To go back to founding principles would look, to a huge portion of the population, like Obama does to freedom and liberty. A LOT of people would lose power and money.
This idea of "quit voting for them" should have proven you wrong this last election. That is what a lot on the Right did and it got worse, not better.
You make a fair point, but if the dollar collapses and we end up with hyperinflation and sever recession or depression at the same time, anything can happen.
Or, the Liberty Caucus of the Republican Party may rise. Dr. paul has sown the seeds, if we get someone younger with more charisma and a few less of his wackier ideas, and a bit less isolationist, we'll see.
fishermage.blogspot.com
LoL lets see what the rest of the year has in store for us:
~ We've got 1 pandemic plague cooking here in the states, with another (pneumonic plague) vaguely possible.
~The passing or failing of one or all of the health reform bills.
~Hurricane season.
~The month of October.
If you want a political party to rise, you do not want it to have any obvious connections to the republican party, especially right there in the name.
___________________
Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
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LoL lets see what the rest of the year has in store for us:
~ We've got 1 pandemic plague cooking here in the states, with another (pneumonic plague) vaguely possible.
~The passing or failing of one or all of the health reform bills.
~Hurricane season.
~The month of October.
If you want a political party to rise, you do not want it to have any obvious connections to the republican party, especially right there in the name.
I completely agree, which is why I first said the libertarian party, which started way back when Nixon imposed wage and price controls. The Young Republicans for Freedom broke away and did it.
However, within the Republican Party there is a group that stands for freedom. There is no such similar thing within the democratic party, which has devolved into a mix of socialism, fascism, and other strains of authoritarian collectivism (like syndicalism -- rule by trade unions). See -- I separated them for you, even though I think they can all fit under the broad heading of socialist thinking (but not necessarily MARXIST thinking -- people, forget socialism predates marx).
the trouble within the Libertarian Party is: too many anarchists that won't compromise. I am an anarchocapitalist -- but I realize there is not a chance that America would or should adopt such a thing any time soon. We must advnace toward freedom with baby steps.
This is why, like the communists of old did through the Democratic party, I believe we advance THROUGH mainstream thought, gradually sweeping away the socialism and fascism in the system now, and move slowly toward a freer society. This will happen as space exploration opens new territories anyway, but I'd like to work on that now and plant the seeds today.
I am radical BUT willing to compromise. The party thus far is not. I see that as a problem.
However, I see no reason that we can't do to the Republican Party what the communists did to the Democrats.
Either way, as long as people are set free, I'm cool with it.
fishermage.blogspot.com