Yep Liberal activists have been doing this stuff for years on almost everything from civil rights,vietnam war,abortion rights,gay rights you name it the list goes on an on and now that people disagree with "their" version of health care reform they are suddenly upset and call these people mobs and even worse.
They get confronted with their own tactics for once and they cry fowl.I think these people are naturally worried about this health care reform as I am to.The liberals even want to start tracking "fishy emails now on this".
Just when I think my opinion of liberals couldnt be any lower it turns out they are SPOILED CRYBABY ELITIST LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE EDUCATED WHINEY BUTTS who have dealed strife out all their lives but cant take one instance of it in return.
Twist it however you want, I don't care. You started talking about how they are lunatics and then how groups of people are bad, etc. Then you claimed I was curtailing the topic by talking about Health Care Reform. Then you yourself started talking about "lunatics and McCain", so I don't really care at this point.
Um, just for the record, that isn't how the conversation went...
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And to the other guy implying it is only Liberal Activists that have a problem with what is going on, and that they all did this before, or even found it acceptable, or whatever... again I feel like I have walked into an asylum ward. Like where the hell did that comment even come from. So I guess, since you acknowledged its existence, its ok because its against something a Liberal Activist wants, or... what? Wtf?
WTF? to this whole discussion so far.
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Yep Liberal activists have been doing this stuff for years on almost everything from civil rights,vietnam war,abortion rights,gay rights you name it the list goes on an on and now that people disagree with "their" version of health care reform they are suddenly upset and call these people mobs and even worse.
They get confronted with their own tactics for once and they cry fowl.I think these people are naturally worried about this health care reform as I am to.The liberals even want to start tracking "fishy emails now on this".
Just when I think my opinion of liberals couldnt be any lower it turns out they are SPOILED CRYBABY ELITIST LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE EDUCATED WHINEY BUTTS who have dealed strife out all their lives but cant take one instance of it in return.
I'm fine with protests, but there have been more than a couple where the mob doesn't let whoever they are protesting speak. So the meeting get's cancelled, and then the mobs criticize whoever it was for cancelling it.
Originally posted by popinjay He is not obligated to vote how THEY say he has to. They elected him to vote his conscience and I think that's where Americans fall short everytime.
Is that what you really believe?
They are voted in to represent the wishes of the people - not vote on their conscience.
Imagine this. Your President decides to go rouge. He cuts taxes for the rich, he cuts corporate taxes to 10%, he vetoes any health health bill that comes across his desk and he begins preemptive bombing of North Korea.
With your application of conscience voting, and not representative voting, he is doing his job representing your views.
Congressional and Senate members are the ones who fall short everytime - they forget how they got into office and that it is their job to represent the wishes of their constituents, even if it goes against their personal beliefs.
Originally posted by Sabiancym I'm fine with protests, but there have been more than a couple where the mob doesn't let whoever they are protesting speak. So the meeting get's cancelled, and then the mobs criticize whoever it was for cancelling it.
Bingo.
All the Townyellers seem to be doing is trying to outshout someone else. They don't want any discussions to actually take place. Then the conservatives try and claim that everyone "heard" the plan and rejected it.
I mean, what does yelling "40 million illegals" or similar at a town meeting have to do with anything? Those people remind me of when people just say things here without backing them up with facts. Then when you correct them, it's "Ad Hominem Hour".
I'm fine with protests, but there have been more than a couple where the mob doesn't let whoever they are protesting speak. So the meeting get's cancelled, and then the mobs criticize whoever it was for cancelling it.
Bingo.
All the Townyellers seem to be doing is trying to outshout someone else. They don't want any discussions to actually take place. Then the conservatives try and claim that everyone "heard" the plan and rejected it.
I mean, what does yelling "40 million illegals" or similar at a town meeting have to do with anything? Those people remind me of when people just say things here without backing them up with facts. Then when you correct them, it's "Ad Hominem Hour".
You both seem to forget something ...a vital part of the truth here...
These ppl being shouted down... Have already said where they stand on the obamacare...These people are here to say "no you don't" to them.
But I can see that won't matter to anyone on the left here.
I love the OP's news source because they site the 912 project as the group responsible for all this "crazy chaos" LMAO
The 912 project is made up of individuals. It's a grassroots, not astroturf (typical liberal attempt to belittle), effort.
there will be a hundred thousand 912 type groups so long as liberal agenda is FORCED on the freedom loving ppl of this country, you'll never stop them.
I'm fine with protests, but there have been more than a couple where the mob doesn't let whoever they are protesting speak. So the meeting get's cancelled, and then the mobs criticize whoever it was for cancelling it.
Bingo.
All the Townyellers seem to be doing is trying to outshout someone else. They don't want any discussions to actually take place. Then the conservatives try and claim that everyone "heard" the plan and rejected it.
I mean, what does yelling "40 million illegals" or similar at a town meeting have to do with anything? Those people remind me of when people just say things here without backing them up with facts. Then when you correct them, it's "Ad Hominem Hour".
You both seem to forget something ...a vital part of the truth here...
These ppl being shouted down... Have already said where they stand on the obamacare...These people are here to say "no you don't" to them.
That's fine, but don't criticize them for cancelling the meeting. You either go there to listen to what they have to say or you go there to disrupt the thing and hopefully get it cancelled.
You can't do the latter and then complain about not being able to do the first.
I'm fine with protests, but there have been more than a couple where the mob doesn't let whoever they are protesting speak. So the meeting get's cancelled, and then the mobs criticize whoever it was for cancelling it.
Bingo.
All the Townyellers seem to be doing is trying to outshout someone else. They don't want any discussions to actually take place. Then the conservatives try and claim that everyone "heard" the plan and rejected it.
I mean, what does yelling "40 million illegals" or similar at a town meeting have to do with anything? Those people remind me of when people just say things here without backing them up with facts. Then when you correct them, it's "Ad Hominem Hour".
You both seem to forget something ...a vital part of the truth here...
These ppl being shouted down... Have already said where they stand on the obamacare...These people are here to say "no you don't" to them.
That's fine, but don't criticize them for cancelling the meeting. You either go there to listen to what they have to say or you go there to disrupt the thing and hopefully get it cancelled.
You can't do the latter and then complain about not being able to do the first.
that's where you are wrong...
They call them TOWN meetings so they can HEAR from constituents, not lecture them.
You both seem to forget something ...a vital part of the truth here... These ppl being shouted down... Have already said where they stand on the obamacare...These people are here to say "no you don't" to them. But I can see that won't matter to anyone on the left here. I love the OP's news source because they site the 912 project as the group responsible for all this "crazy chaos" LMAO The 912 project is made up of individuals. It's a grassroots, not astroturf (typical liberal attempt to belittle), effort. there will be a hundred thousand 912 type groups so long as liberal agenda is FORCED on the freedom loving ppl of this country, you'll never stop them. "Don't tread on me!"
FreedomWorks is not a grassroots project, they are funding by lobbyists who have medical corporate clients and they are the ones pushing a lot of this. The founder is Dick Armey and I know you have NO idea who he was, but he was a Republican politician. This is not some "citizen revolt", these townyellers are getting duped into thinking they are understanding the issues, so they don't need to "hear" anything about it. But they are getting all riled up like someone else got the people all riled up and hating the government back in Europe 1930's. They are being played for patsies and don't even realize it and that's the saddest part.
I hear a lot of "Did you read the bill? Read the bill!" these idiots yell and just looking at them you can tell they not only didn't read it but wouldn't understand most of what was written. Not understanding the bill it is no crime because TONS of people don't. But it's this attitude of "I read it and I FULLY understand it, so I'm going to shout and yell you down" that gets me. They have no idea what the thing says. Three quartres of them probably haven't read five books in three years, and they're going to decipher a congresional bill? Puh-lease.
Their slogans are so cliched and when townyellers use those idiotic phrases and put them on signs like "Give me liberty or give me death!" or "Tyranny, freedom and tyrants.. blah blah blah" and such it actually denegrates the effectiveness of the written meaning the people were facing REAL tyranny meant. They say it so much that it's losing all effectiveness and becoming impotent.
Like Jack Nicholson said in a "A Few Good Men", they use words like that as a punchline and because it "looks clever" on a sign or bumper sticker, not understanding what it truly means because they are so ignorant.
Originally posted by popinjay He is not obligated to vote how THEY say he has to. They elected him to vote his conscience and I think that's where Americans fall short everytime.
Ok so maybe you should actually do some reading other then in the bathroom.
I'm fine with protests, but there have been more than a couple where the mob doesn't let whoever they are protesting speak. So the meeting get's cancelled, and then the mobs criticize whoever it was for cancelling it.
Bingo.
All the Townyellers seem to be doing is trying to outshout someone else. They don't want any discussions to actually take place. Then the conservatives try and claim that everyone "heard" the plan and rejected it.
I mean, what does yelling "40 million illegals" or similar at a town meeting have to do with anything? Those people remind me of when people just say things here without backing them up with facts. Then when you correct them, it's "Ad Hominem Hour".
You both seem to forget something ...a vital part of the truth here...
These ppl being shouted down... Have already said where they stand on the obamacare...These people are here to say "no you don't" to them.
That's fine, but don't criticize them for cancelling the meeting. You either go there to listen to what they have to say or you go there to disrupt the thing and hopefully get it cancelled.
You can't do the latter and then complain about not being able to do the first.
that's where you are wrong...
They call them TOWN meetings so they can HEAR from constituents, not lecture them.
"listening tour" remember?
There's a big difference between HEARING from the constituents and being YELLED at and BERATED by the constituents.
Originally posted by Dewm Originally posted by Dekron Originally posted by popinjay He is not obligated to vote how THEY say he has to. They elected him to vote his conscience and I think that's where Americans fall short everytime.
Ok so maybe you should actually do some reading other then in the bathroom.
And if you don't believe that, then you have no problem with Bush? or what he did? after all, we elected him. So we should just trust his judgment.
Poopnjay I understand you worship Obama, he is your God......but sooner or later you need to open your eyes...and see pure fact.
See, the way it works is like this:
A guy tells you he'll represent YOUR interests in office.
You believe him and you vote for him.
Then when you see he's not doing what you like, you write him, call him, let him know.
He tells you he understands your concerns, but he knows what's best for you because you don't grasp the "big picture".
You wait until the next election and then you vote for the other guy who said he'll do what you want.
That's how it works. You don't act like a spoiled 5 year old yelling,tempertantruming and disrupting dialogue because things aren't going your way, cockblocking OTHER citizens right to hear what the man has to say. You don't "own" the politican because you gave him one vote; he's free to vote whatever way he likes, lick your wounds and go home and be smarter about who you elect next time.
I didn't vote for Bush because I don't trust him judgement. Since I didn't actually vote for the clown, I don't have to "trust his judgement." I voted for Obama so I'll have to trust his.
You read the passage wrong or simply misunderstood the concept.
Why should one sit in silence and listen to someone spout what you know to be lies? Why should an elected official, someone who is not a master of the people but a servant - like the people who mop the floor and clean the toilets - expect to be treated with respect when they stand up to knowingly and maliciously lie to the people they are supposed to work for?
If they truly believe that the new Marxist health care system they are attempting to build for the citizens of this nation is better than what we have now then why have they exempted themselves and their families from that new system?
You do know that they have built into the legislation an exemption for themselves, don't you? They will not have to go the the same filthy overcrowded clinics and wait in line for hours and hours and hours to see a doctor like the rest of us will. They will not have to spend years on waiting lists for surgery, sometimes living in agony and sometimes dying for lack of treatment, like people in Europe and Canada do. They will not be told that the drugs they need are too expensive. They will not be told that they are too old to make treating them cost effective. They will not be told that they are too fat or have smoked too much or drank too much to deserve treatment.
But the rest of us will.
The fact that they do know exactly what they are trying to ram down our throats and will stand up and lie to our faces about it forever removes any obligation to treat these scumbags with any shred of respect or even civility. They deserve nothing from us but absolute and perfect contempt! They have made themselves the enemies of the American people and they deserve to be treated like it.
They never saw it coming....
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Why should one sit in silence and listen to someone spout what you know to be lies? Why should an elected official, someone who is not a master of the people but a servant - like the people who mop the floor and clean the toilets - expect to be treated with respect when they stand up to knowingly and maliciously lie to the people they are supposed to work for? If they truly believe that the new Marxist health care system they are attempting to build for the citizens of this nation is better than what we have now then why have they exempted themselves and their families from that new system? You do know that they have built into the legislation an exemption for themselves, don't you? They will not have to go the the same filthy overcrowded clinics and wait in line for hours and hours and hours to see a doctor like the rest of us will. They will not have to spend years on waiting lists for surgery, sometimes living in agony and sometimes dying for lack of treatment, like people in Europe and Canada do. They will not be told that the drugs they need are too expensive. They will not be told that they are too old to make treating them cost effective. They will not be told that they are too fat or have smoked too much or drank too much to deserve treatment. But the rest of us will. The fact that they do know exactly what they are trying to ram down our throats and will stand up and lie to our faces about it forever removes any obligation to treat these scumbags with any shred of respect or even civility. They deserve nothing from us but absolute and perfect contempt! They have made themselves the enemies of the American people and they deserve to be treated like it. They never saw it coming....
Not to mention access to your bank accounts, union exemption, funding for ACORN...etc.. You can scrool to any part of the bill and find outragous stuff. This bill needs to be beaten into the ground and thown in the garbage...and then in 2010, throw out these morons who pretend to represent us.
And this POS Palosi talking about swasticas. Do we have to link Zombietime's photoblog of her constituents. I would probably be banned because pics of Palosi's city are so vile and disgusting. There are more swasticas in her city than the entire country. This is all projection by the democrats. Act like NAZIS and project it to the opposition.
Originally posted by frodus Why should one sit in silence and listen to someone spout what you know to be lies? Why should an elected official, someone who is not a master of the people but a servant - like the people who mop the floor and clean the toilets - expect to be treated with respect when they stand up to knowingly and maliciously lie to the people they are supposed to work for? If they truly believe that the new Marxist health care system they are attempting to build for the citizens of this nation is better than what we have now then why have they exempted themselves and their families from that new system? You do know that they have built into the legislation an exemption for themselves, don't you? They will not have to go the the same filthy overcrowded clinics and wait in line for hours and hours and hours to see a doctor like the rest of us will. They will not have to spend years on waiting lists for surgery, sometimes living in agony and sometimes dying for lack of treatment, like people in Europe and Canada do. They will not be told that the drugs they need are too expensive. They will not be told that they are too old to make treating them cost effective. They will not be told that they are too fat or have smoked too much or drank too much to deserve treatment. But the rest of us will. The fact that they do know exactly what they are trying to ram down our throats and will stand up and lie to our faces about it forever removes any obligation to treat these scumbags with any shred of respect or even civility. They deserve nothing from us but absolute and perfect contempt! They have made themselves the enemies of the American people and they deserve to be treated like it. They never saw it coming....
Why should one disrupt by yelling and screaming at a town meeting where other citizens are trying to learn something? That's not fair to anyone. This isn't about class warfare and people "mopping floors/toilets"; its about common sense, decency and respect in a public venue. They are free to leave if they don't want to be "lied to".
Obama has stated he would accept the SAME plan Americans are going to get because he thinks it good, but he's not allowed because he's the President which makes sense. If someone doesn't want the plan, then don't get it. Get your own private insurance; it's not like the government is doing away with it.
Rich people never go to the same facilities we do. Why is that a surprise? They have money to see specialist. In Europe the rich come HERE for specialist care so why would Americans who are rich continue to do any different? The rich don't see doctors you see NOW, so what's the difference? Unless you really think Donald Trump has your doctor.
Those morons don't know anything. They didn't read the bill nor would they understand what they were reading. They only know what they hear like most of America, but they don't know the source. They just want to yell because it's an "event", just like it was with the teabaggers. People get bored and look for entertainment and this was pretty much free, since they got a free bus ride from the insurance industries' "grassroots" organizers.
Originally posted by popinjay he's free to vote whatever way he likes
You just simply do not understand the foundations and ideals of a representative government. I'm not trying to attack, but it is difficult not to notice that it is people like you, ignorant voters, who are the reason why these corrupt, self-righteous politicians keep getting reelected.
There is so much misinformation on both sides of this bill. From people claiming it is completely free health care for everyone to others saying that you'll have to wait 8 hours to see someone after being shot in the face.
Many many people don't completely understand the proposed bill, including me. Trying to wade through the bs reported is impossible and reading the bill will give you a headache. I doubt anyone on this board has read the entire thing.
I don't support it because I don't think it goes far enough and is too much of a compromise.
There is so much misinformation on both sides of this bill. From people claiming it is completely free health care for everyone to others saying that you'll have to wait 8 hours to see someone after being shot in the face. Many many people don't completely understand the proposed bill, including me. Trying to wade through the bs reported is impossible and reading the bill will give you a headache. I doubt anyone on this board has read the entire thing.
I don't support it because I don't think it goes far enough and is too much of a compromise.
show some proof of disinformation from the conservatives please?
I'm not too keen on previous bills, but I don't understand why they couldn't have just chopped the bill into quarters, sectioning off things accordingly, then starting one at a time, making it much easier for all of us.
Private Insurance Accountablity, Bill 1
Health Care for Needy, Bill 2
Etc.
I spent some time with Ctrl+F on the .pdf but that was about it.
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Yep Liberal activists have been doing this stuff for years on almost everything from civil rights,vietnam war,abortion rights,gay rights you name it the list goes on an on and now that people disagree with "their" version of health care reform they are suddenly upset and call these people mobs and even worse.
They get confronted with their own tactics for once and they cry fowl.I think these people are naturally worried about this health care reform as I am to.The liberals even want to start tracking "fishy emails now on this".
Just when I think my opinion of liberals couldnt be any lower it turns out they are SPOILED CRYBABY ELITIST LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE EDUCATED WHINEY BUTTS who have dealed strife out all their lives but cant take one instance of it in return.
Um, just for the record, that isn't how the conversation went...
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And to the other guy implying it is only Liberal Activists that have a problem with what is going on, and that they all did this before, or even found it acceptable, or whatever... again I feel like I have walked into an asylum ward. Like where the hell did that comment even come from. So I guess, since you acknowledged its existence, its ok because its against something a Liberal Activist wants, or... what? Wtf?
WTF? to this whole discussion so far.
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This just in: Conservatives throw ANOTHER temper tantrum!
News at 11
At least they're consistent.
Lol.. well said
I'm fine with protests, but there have been more than a couple where the mob doesn't let whoever they are protesting speak. So the meeting get's cancelled, and then the mobs criticize whoever it was for cancelling it.
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The old folks are coming out in force...
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
Is that what you really believe?
They are voted in to represent the wishes of the people - not vote on their conscience.
Imagine this. Your President decides to go rouge. He cuts taxes for the rich, he cuts corporate taxes to 10%, he vetoes any health health bill that comes across his desk and he begins preemptive bombing of North Korea.
With your application of conscience voting, and not representative voting, he is doing his job representing your views.
Congressional and Senate members are the ones who fall short everytime - they forget how they got into office and that it is their job to represent the wishes of their constituents, even if it goes against their personal beliefs.
Bingo.
All the Townyellers seem to be doing is trying to outshout someone else. They don't want any discussions to actually take place. Then the conservatives try and claim that everyone "heard" the plan and rejected it.
I mean, what does yelling "40 million illegals" or similar at a town meeting have to do with anything? Those people remind me of when people just say things here without backing them up with facts. Then when you correct them, it's "Ad Hominem Hour".
"TO MICHAEL!"
Bingo.
All the Townyellers seem to be doing is trying to outshout someone else. They don't want any discussions to actually take place. Then the conservatives try and claim that everyone "heard" the plan and rejected it.
I mean, what does yelling "40 million illegals" or similar at a town meeting have to do with anything? Those people remind me of when people just say things here without backing them up with facts. Then when you correct them, it's "Ad Hominem Hour".
You both seem to forget something ...a vital part of the truth here...
These ppl being shouted down... Have already said where they stand on the obamacare...These people are here to say "no you don't" to them.
But I can see that won't matter to anyone on the left here.
I love the OP's news source because they site the 912 project as the group responsible for all this "crazy chaos" LMAO
The 912 project is made up of individuals. It's a grassroots, not astroturf (typical liberal attempt to belittle), effort.
there will be a hundred thousand 912 type groups so long as liberal agenda is FORCED on the freedom loving ppl of this country, you'll never stop them.
"Don't tread on me!"
Bingo.
All the Townyellers seem to be doing is trying to outshout someone else. They don't want any discussions to actually take place. Then the conservatives try and claim that everyone "heard" the plan and rejected it.
I mean, what does yelling "40 million illegals" or similar at a town meeting have to do with anything? Those people remind me of when people just say things here without backing them up with facts. Then when you correct them, it's "Ad Hominem Hour".
You both seem to forget something ...a vital part of the truth here...
These ppl being shouted down... Have already said where they stand on the obamacare...These people are here to say "no you don't" to them.
That's fine, but don't criticize them for cancelling the meeting. You either go there to listen to what they have to say or you go there to disrupt the thing and hopefully get it cancelled.
You can't do the latter and then complain about not being able to do the first.
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Bingo.
All the Townyellers seem to be doing is trying to outshout someone else. They don't want any discussions to actually take place. Then the conservatives try and claim that everyone "heard" the plan and rejected it.
I mean, what does yelling "40 million illegals" or similar at a town meeting have to do with anything? Those people remind me of when people just say things here without backing them up with facts. Then when you correct them, it's "Ad Hominem Hour".
You both seem to forget something ...a vital part of the truth here...
These ppl being shouted down... Have already said where they stand on the obamacare...These people are here to say "no you don't" to them.
That's fine, but don't criticize them for cancelling the meeting. You either go there to listen to what they have to say or you go there to disrupt the thing and hopefully get it cancelled.
You can't do the latter and then complain about not being able to do the first.
that's where you are wrong...
They call them TOWN meetings so they can HEAR from constituents, not lecture them.
"listening tour" remember?
And didn't your God Obama also say "If they bring a knife i'll bring a gun" in refrence to political meetings such as this.....
And didn't your God Obama also organize "ACORN" which is known for there "mob" like meetings?
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/19/hill-panel-testimony-to-accuse-acorn-of-mob-tactic/print/
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=
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FreedomWorks is not a grassroots project, they are funding by lobbyists who have medical corporate clients and they are the ones pushing a lot of this. The founder is Dick Armey and I know you have NO idea who he was, but he was a Republican politician. This is not some "citizen revolt", these townyellers are getting duped into thinking they are understanding the issues, so they don't need to "hear" anything about it. But they are getting all riled up like someone else got the people all riled up and hating the government back in Europe 1930's. They are being played for patsies and don't even realize it and that's the saddest part.
I hear a lot of "Did you read the bill? Read the bill!" these idiots yell and just looking at them you can tell they not only didn't read it but wouldn't understand most of what was written. Not understanding the bill it is no crime because TONS of people don't. But it's this attitude of "I read it and I FULLY understand it, so I'm going to shout and yell you down" that gets me. They have no idea what the thing says. Three quartres of them probably haven't read five books in three years, and they're going to decipher a congresional bill? Puh-lease.
Their slogans are so cliched and when townyellers use those idiotic phrases and put them on signs like "Give me liberty or give me death!" or "Tyranny, freedom and tyrants.. blah blah blah" and such it actually denegrates the effectiveness of the written meaning the people were facing REAL tyranny meant. They say it so much that it's losing all effectiveness and becoming impotent.
Like Jack Nicholson said in a "A Few Good Men", they use words like that as a punchline and because it "looks clever" on a sign or bumper sticker, not understanding what it truly means because they are so ignorant.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Ok so maybe you should actually do some reading other then in the bathroom.
This is there job> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_(politics)
And if you don't believe that, then you have no problem with Bush? or what he did? after all, we elected him. So we should just trust his judgment.
Poopnjay I understand you worship Obama, he is your God......but sooner or later you need to open your eyes...and see pure fact.
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Bingo.
All the Townyellers seem to be doing is trying to outshout someone else. They don't want any discussions to actually take place. Then the conservatives try and claim that everyone "heard" the plan and rejected it.
I mean, what does yelling "40 million illegals" or similar at a town meeting have to do with anything? Those people remind me of when people just say things here without backing them up with facts. Then when you correct them, it's "Ad Hominem Hour".
You both seem to forget something ...a vital part of the truth here...
These ppl being shouted down... Have already said where they stand on the obamacare...These people are here to say "no you don't" to them.
That's fine, but don't criticize them for cancelling the meeting. You either go there to listen to what they have to say or you go there to disrupt the thing and hopefully get it cancelled.
You can't do the latter and then complain about not being able to do the first.
that's where you are wrong...
They call them TOWN meetings so they can HEAR from constituents, not lecture them.
"listening tour" remember?
There's a big difference between HEARING from the constituents and being YELLED at and BERATED by the constituents.
Ok so maybe you should actually do some reading other then in the bathroom.
This is there job> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_(politics)
And if you don't believe that, then you have no problem with Bush? or what he did? after all, we elected him. So we should just trust his judgment.
Poopnjay I understand you worship Obama, he is your God......but sooner or later you need to open your eyes...and see pure fact.
See, the way it works is like this:
A guy tells you he'll represent YOUR interests in office.
You believe him and you vote for him.
Then when you see he's not doing what you like, you write him, call him, let him know.
He tells you he understands your concerns, but he knows what's best for you because you don't grasp the "big picture".
You wait until the next election and then you vote for the other guy who said he'll do what you want.
That's how it works. You don't act like a spoiled 5 year old yelling,tempertantruming and disrupting dialogue because things aren't going your way, cockblocking OTHER citizens right to hear what the man has to say. You don't "own" the politican because you gave him one vote; he's free to vote whatever way he likes, lick your wounds and go home and be smarter about who you elect next time.
I didn't vote for Bush because I don't trust him judgement. Since I didn't actually vote for the clown, I don't have to "trust his judgement." I voted for Obama so I'll have to trust his.
You read the passage wrong or simply misunderstood the concept.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Why should one sit in silence and listen to someone spout what you know to be lies? Why should an elected official, someone who is not a master of the people but a servant - like the people who mop the floor and clean the toilets - expect to be treated with respect when they stand up to knowingly and maliciously lie to the people they are supposed to work for?
If they truly believe that the new Marxist health care system they are attempting to build for the citizens of this nation is better than what we have now then why have they exempted themselves and their families from that new system?
You do know that they have built into the legislation an exemption for themselves, don't you? They will not have to go the the same filthy overcrowded clinics and wait in line for hours and hours and hours to see a doctor like the rest of us will. They will not have to spend years on waiting lists for surgery, sometimes living in agony and sometimes dying for lack of treatment, like people in Europe and Canada do. They will not be told that the drugs they need are too expensive. They will not be told that they are too old to make treating them cost effective. They will not be told that they are too fat or have smoked too much or drank too much to deserve treatment.
But the rest of us will.
The fact that they do know exactly what they are trying to ram down our throats and will stand up and lie to our faces about it forever removes any obligation to treat these scumbags with any shred of respect or even civility. They deserve nothing from us but absolute and perfect contempt! They have made themselves the enemies of the American people and they deserve to be treated like it.
They never saw it coming....
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
Not to mention access to your bank accounts, union exemption, funding for ACORN...etc.. You can scrool to any part of the bill and find outragous stuff. This bill needs to be beaten into the ground and thown in the garbage...and then in 2010, throw out these morons who pretend to represent us.
And this POS Palosi talking about swasticas. Do we have to link Zombietime's photoblog of her constituents. I would probably be banned because pics of Palosi's city are so vile and disgusting. There are more swasticas in her city than the entire country. This is all projection by the democrats. Act like NAZIS and project it to the opposition.
Why should one disrupt by yelling and screaming at a town meeting where other citizens are trying to learn something? That's not fair to anyone. This isn't about class warfare and people "mopping floors/toilets"; its about common sense, decency and respect in a public venue. They are free to leave if they don't want to be "lied to".
Obama has stated he would accept the SAME plan Americans are going to get because he thinks it good, but he's not allowed because he's the President which makes sense. If someone doesn't want the plan, then don't get it. Get your own private insurance; it's not like the government is doing away with it.
Rich people never go to the same facilities we do. Why is that a surprise? They have money to see specialist. In Europe the rich come HERE for specialist care so why would Americans who are rich continue to do any different? The rich don't see doctors you see NOW, so what's the difference? Unless you really think Donald Trump has your doctor.
Those morons don't know anything. They didn't read the bill nor would they understand what they were reading. They only know what they hear like most of America, but they don't know the source. They just want to yell because it's an "event", just like it was with the teabaggers. People get bored and look for entertainment and this was pretty much free, since they got a free bus ride from the insurance industries' "grassroots" organizers.
"TO MICHAEL!"
You just simply do not understand the foundations and ideals of a representative government. I'm not trying to attack, but it is difficult not to notice that it is people like you, ignorant voters, who are the reason why these corrupt, self-righteous politicians keep getting reelected.
There is so much misinformation on both sides of this bill. From people claiming it is completely free health care for everyone to others saying that you'll have to wait 8 hours to see someone after being shot in the face.
Many many people don't completely understand the proposed bill, including me. Trying to wade through the bs reported is impossible and reading the bill will give you a headache. I doubt anyone on this board has read the entire thing.
I don't support it because I don't think it goes far enough and is too much of a compromise.
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show some proof of disinformation from the conservatives please?
The bill is ridiculously long.
I'm not too keen on previous bills, but I don't understand why they couldn't have just chopped the bill into quarters, sectioning off things accordingly, then starting one at a time, making it much easier for all of us.
Private Insurance Accountablity, Bill 1
Health Care for Needy, Bill 2
Etc.
I spent some time with Ctrl+F on the .pdf but that was about it.