I remember before Revelations, when there was no such thing as jump to 0m. You could only get within 15km, unless you set insta-jump bookmarks. See, guys? CCP does give in to whining about the game being too hard.
I remember when you could equip more than one microwarp drive. That was waaaay back in the day, and some damned good times, too.
I love EVE. Sure the space is mostly empty and the stations are standardized, but if you're acclimated to the game, it doesn't seem empty because you're not going through space one kilometer at a time, and location does matter. In EVE, you have to think on a grander scale to keep yourself occupied. Yep, the game is sort of like a spreadsheet. Yep, there are long downtimes. But I never had a problem with that, since I was too busy planning my next ludicrously complex series of activities, of which there was a huge variety to choose from.
In WoW, you choose between standing at the AH, standing at the bank, acting like a retard in town, going to one of maybe three or four areas (at your level) to quest for levels or grind reputation, getting a small group to do an instance, getting a large group to execute a raid, doing pre-manufactured PvP playgrounds, lurking around trying to gank someone, mining nodes/fishing, or grinding a crafting skill.
List seems long, but that's pretty much all there is to it.
If I listed all the stuff you can potentially do in EVE, my post would blow up MMORPG.com and destroy the Internet. You can do half of the stuff that's possible in real life in EVE, in some esoteric form or another. If you can think it up, chances are, it's possible (you might not be able to do it personally or on your own or Soon™, but that's beside the point).
If I'd change one thing about EVE, it would be the way wardecs currently work in highsec (or did when I retired a couple of years ago), to give juicy carebear targets more reasonable options for dealing with wardecs. Wardecs were getting just a tad out of hand, and carebears ARE important to the rest of the EVE playerbase. Somebody has to do all the mining, manufacturing, and mission running while I'm out committing piracy in lowsec.
Currently Playing: EVE Online Retired From: UO, FFXI, AO, SWG, Ryzom, GW, WoW, WAR
Originally posted by -aLpHa-They support this RMT (they have they're own forum section for this) so it is real RMT. People trade real money (Gametimecards) for ingame currency. Which is the worst thing to do in a game live EvE, where you can get everything with money.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
In EVE, you can indeed get anything with money (including a pre-skilled pilot and most ships and equipment), but that matters not a single whit if you aren't experienced and don't know what you're doing. You can't buy experience for any amount of ISK.
It's great when some tool who's been playing for two or three months RMTs billions of ISK and buys a mini-mom (small carrier), rare implants, equipment, drones, and a pre-skilled pilot to fly it, then gets it blown up because he knows jack-all about the finer points of the game.
People actually do that, too. It happens all the time. Player skill and knowledge of the game is the #1 most important factor in EVE.
Currently Playing: EVE Online Retired From: UO, FFXI, AO, SWG, Ryzom, GW, WoW, WAR
Sort of. You don't buy ISK from CCP, you buy it from other players in the game, who sell it to you for game time cards, which they use to pay their subs.
Does not really fit the true definition of RMT.
They support this RMT (they have they're own forum section for this) so it is real RMT. People trade real money (Gametimecards) for ingame currency. Which is the worst thing to do in a game live EvE, where you can get everything with money.
It's right, in Eve you can buy everything with money, but you can also loose everything. Eve has a full-loot system. If you have the cohones to risk a fully pimped multi billion isk ship, it's your choice. "rmt" balances itself by risk vs. reward.
WoW appeals to the masses. EvE appeals to a niche WoW recruits loads of noobs, tends to have a hard time keeping them long-term. 5 yrs counting and still have the highest sub. EvE has a hard time recruiting noobs but people who stay tend to so for years. almost every mmo who offers free trial gets the "noobs". Long-term WoW players have many alts. and ? Long-term EvE players have no well-trained alts, barring alt accounts. lol.. c'mon not everone in eve have second accounts or more, right?? an npc corp alt trained for hulk with mining bot in high sec. space?? an alt for empire activities / scout / spy / hauler / etc.. while your main is busy in 0.0 .. nah that never happens in eve.. must be the hater talk.. those things don't exist, how much for a 30 days nowadays 600 mil isk or so? it's been a while so im not sure the current value. EvE challenges you constantly even with the most trivial tasks (just see the posts about mission looting, travel, downtime, spreadsheets, etc). WoW guides you through everything. must be the biggest misconception of all. tell me, aside from the quest addons and so fort, it's there to make things easier. you have the option to use it or not. so How about your Eve, "BattleClinic" - gives you proven setup of every ships for pve or pvp. "EVEinfo" where they tell you every Missions, Agent locator, from lvl 1 to lvl 4. it tells you in great detail on what to expect on every fight, suggestion on ships and fittings / loadouts. doesn't that count as hand holding? Progression in WoW is very well-defined by the devs. Progression in EvE is totally freeform WoW's PvE is very well done, and it's PvP is widely considered to be very weak. EvE's pvp is very well done, and it's PvE is widely considered to be very weak. every one has their own opinion. to each his own. WoW's world never changes no matter what you do, except for you, and only for you. EvE's world is influenced in some way by almost everything every player does. hmm.. u sure? when was the last time a player in EVE change something that affected everyone in game? well maybe that guy who stole billions of isk and sold it for real money to pay his medical bills, it probably made everyone in game LoL. or how about goonswarm infiltrating the highest chain of command in BoB (band of brothers), and disbanding it stealing huge amount of assets. I was in a different sector of 0.0 laughing our asses off.. but no, i didn't notice any changes in game.. and everyone carry's off to do their daily routine. And, most importatly, any thread about EvE in general discussion will be debated and flamed endlessly, which, in that case, it's just like WoW. .. its just like any game.. where some one has an opinion on it.
If I listed all the stuff you can potentially do in EVE, my post would blow up MMORPG.com and destroy the Internet. You can do half of the stuff that's possible in real life in EVE, in some esoteric form or another. If you can think it up, chances are, it's possible (you might not be able to do it personally or on your own or Soon™, but that's beside the point).
If I mentioned every mundane activity I could do in something like WOW, I could blow up MMORPG.com too=) Thats the thing about Eve. People call every tiny action "something to do" to justify how DEEP the game is. It only shows just how boring the game actually is when mundane ordinary activites in every other MMO are considered "doing something" in Eve. Speaks volumes.
They support this RMT (they have they're own forum section for this) so it is real RMT. People trade real money (Gametimecards) for ingame currency. Which is the worst thing to do in a game live EvE, where you can get everything with money.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
In EVE, you can indeed get anything with money (including a pre-skilled pilot and most ships and equipment), but that matters not a single whit if you aren't experienced and don't know what you're doing. You can't buy experience for any amount of ISK.
It's great when some tool who's been playing for two or three months RMTs billions of ISK and buys a mini-mom (small carrier), rare implants, equipment, drones, and a pre-skilled pilot to fly it, then gets it blown up because he knows jack-all about the finer points of the game.
People actually do that, too. It happens all the time. Player skill and knowledge of the game is the #1 most important factor in EVE.
It doesn't matter, even the noob will increase his knowledge over time and become experienced. It's a bad justification in my view, sorry.
EvE only looks complex on the surface but it's rather easy if you look closer. You just need to remember some numbers which you can easily fetch by clicking some of the items (like min/max/opt range for weapons). Allot of the hard parts can be done by 3rd party software (fitting your ship etc). Anything else is combat experience or some common sense.
Please stop glorify its complexity, it's a insult to all chess players.
It doesn't matter, even the noob will increase his knowledge over time and become experienced. It's a bad justification in my view, sorry. EvE only looks complex on the surface but it's rather easy if you look closer. You just need to remember some numbers which you can easily fetch by clicking some of the items (like min/max/opt range for weapons). Allot of the hard parts can be done by 3rd party software (fitting your ship etc). Anything else is combat experience or some common sense. Please stop glorify its complexity, it's a insult to all chess players.
Personaly I think its EvEs freedom that lures in the most people. What eve has that many MMOs dont are:
No Classes, you can train what you want. Im in charge of my charecter not the developers, I have no class specific gear that I have to run an Instance to get...
The most complex market I have ever seen in a game.
A harsh death penalty that will hurt you. When you shoot somone you know he is not happy hehe. Wars just like in real life often ends when one side cant afford it anymore..
One server, having everyone on one gigant server is a hole loot cooler then having all your players spread out. Your reputation and past actions dose realy mather in EvE. You cant just Ninja and transfer server or change your name and gender. Screw up in EvE and people will remeber for years to come.
I deep strategic ellement to combat. You have to fit right and know what counters what to win in PVP. And its mush more complex then many other games in its genre.
EvE can not be played like your ordinary game. Its not designed to amuse and entertain you. Missions are repetative and boring, Mining is not mush better. Playing the market and Hauling stuff great distances is also not so fun. What you have to understand is that they are not suposed to be fun. Its a way to make Money. There are alot off other ways to make money in EvE some are more fun some less.
As you train skills offline and dont get better by playing more. It all comes down to economics, you play EvE to make ISK, with ISK you can PVP more, Buy more skill, take more risk and test out new things.
There are Hundreads of ways to play EvE, or should I say hundreads of ways to make ISKs, I know a few others no more. You can gamble, Manafacture, haul, hack, scan, do WHs, play the market, by stocks, save money in a Bank, Pirate, Moon mine, Ratt, Make drugs/boosters, take Mercenary jobbs. be a spy, Run a corperation, do missions, mine, Flip cans and do scams...
In the End its all about the Money: who has it, who dont and those that have to mush. EvE is mush more like a cross betwen monopoly and axis and allies then it's like other MMOS. It's ment to be played toghether against other players. Its not a solo game its a true Massive Multiplayer Game. You try to outsmart you fellow players, on the market and in PVP. You take from him and try to keep him from taking from you. Its a Pure PVP experince in a game world that can change hands, where your choises are yours to make, Go where you want when you want. Shoot who you want but be ready for the consequences.
In EvE people try to Hurt me and I try to hurt them. If you spend hours mining in a belt to get a new ship and then have it blown up you arnt going to be that happy hehe. EvE is risk vs reward, player vs player, corp vs corp, alliance vs alliance. Its one huge galaxy where you can pawn your fellow man to submission. One glories world filled with the most cutthroat individuals you will ever meet in a game, and that is why I love it
Hmm, I should have expected the ragers and flamers would pounce on this topic.
*sigh*
I keep making the mistake of thinking that mmorpg.com has better quality posters than gamefaqs. Oh well. I was simply stating a possibly useful fact for those interested. I didn't mean to create a flame war XD
Hmm, I should have expected the ragers and flamers would pounce on this topic. *sigh* I keep making the mistake of thinking that mmorpg.com has better quality posters than gamefaqs. Oh well. I was simply stating a possibly useful fact for those interested. I didn't mean to create a flame war XD
All publicity is good publicity Evilgreen5. so dont be so hard on yourself..
They support this RMT (they have they're own forum section for this) so it is real RMT. People trade real money (Gametimecards) for ingame currency. Which is the worst thing to do in a game live EvE, where you can get everything with money.
Well, I've seen people do well within a week in WoW in pvp situations. Point is, Eve feel tedious and slow for people used to more fast-paced mmo's. I still can't get over the fact that the game reward you for not playing it, and I read somewhere there is this new mmo in the making thinking about doing the same thing. Can't remember the name at the moment though.
Anyway the only way I join Eve is if they radically change the way you fly your ships. Autopilot and afk fights don't sit well with me. I need more immersion than that. Since then won't ever do that, I will not play this game.
I can understand the allure of the game, especially the deep economic system, but I can't get past some of the core mechanics that take absolutely forever (traveling anywhere). Yes, it's more realistic for the game universe to be enormous. In reality, space is far, far bigger. But gah, most of the time I'm just watching my ship in autopilot flying between waypoints. It's booooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg...then a few minutes of fun...then booooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggg.....repeat.
heres a suggestion then: dont use the autopilot.
problem solved.
a lot of people talk a lot of shit about eve, thats their right to do so i guess, but you can see why the eve community looks down on them.
Of course I used the tractor beams. Unfortunately, the range on those suckers just wasn't long enough. You still have to fly all over the place to pick up everything. It's not like you zip from place to place either. You slowly turn around, slowly accelerate, fly...slowly brake...then slowly get into tractor range to pick up canisters. It doesn't have to be that painful, but it is. And umm...I do have to admit that the traveling, looting and mining were major factors in why I stopped playing. It does sound a bit shallow, I guess, hah. I think the primary reason was that I picked another game over EVE, but it's been a while so I don't remember.
Most people realised this and came up with an innovative way to speed things up. you do your mission in a battleship, and bookmark the wrecks then complete the mission and come back in a destroyer which is nimble as hell, and loot using that. that being said however, mission running is the equivalent of doing your daily quests in wow, gets you money and standings but isnt the whole game.
Originally posted by Cephus404 Originally posted by SwampRob In the brief time I was subbed to Eve, I enjoyed it. However, I would never go back until they get rid of open PvP FFA. I realize it would radically change the game, but that's a deal-breaker for me.
Or at least allow people who don't want to participate to turn it off. I realize this can be abused, which is why I think they ought to have a switch that you can only reset once a month. You can either participate in PvP or you can't. You don't get to pick "no" when you're up against people who can kill you, then set it to "yes" when you're ganking small fish. Of course, you're right, it would piss off a lot of people in EvE, but that's one of the things it would take for me to ever go back.
fantastic idea. id rank it up there with the "new server" and "new pve server" ideas in terms of practicality and usefulness.
I love it. "Eve is a screen saver" "Eve is a spreadsheet program" "Eve is boring" "CCP isn't a real game developer" you guys are so original. Op you're a fool for putting this in general. All you did is invite the haters and Baiters into this thread to bash it on their many alt accounts. This is why the wowfanbois dont post WoW shit in general because it gets the same amount of Hate. Just a tip put this shit in the Eve forums to reduce The retardation element that has infested this thread. Atleast I have all the haters names now to toss on block woot! Edit: Holy crap I blocked Every PoS in this thread with an Asshat comment and its like 3-4 posts that aren't Flames or troll bait. Didnt realize you guys hated a game due to its superiority over the game your playing lol. Alot of haters.
LMAO.
Reality check: Nobody cares about your ignore list.
As for EVE: Mediocre as an MMO, poor as an sci-fi rtt game.
Shesh, I must be playing an imaginary game because, I never fought a battle while baking some bread. (yes, I can bake bread)
Point being, I think people have the wrong first impression of EVE and this will never change. EVE was not made for everyone and it will never be for everyone. You either love it or hate it but the devs don’t give a fuck about people that do not like the game. It’s as simple as that. Blizzard focuses on eating as many subs while CCP focused on growing their community with quality members.
As for the person going insane on my low amount of hours on EVE in 5 years… well.. haha. Thank you for pointing out that I have a life and only play games casualy. One month of eve is not even half an hour of work for me… so money is far from being an issue here.
To the folks constantly bashing EVE… I really don’t understand why. Most of you are probably elite pvpers and big hardcore players and EVE offers exactly that but you need a bit of patience at first. At least killing someone in EVE has meaning and value.
I Tried eve and found it to be the most boring mmorpg I have played, I really disliked the lack of control of my ship and also the fact everything was overly menu driven. Where is the free flight like a flight sim? REAL combat not just click target click orbit within weapon distance you set then go half afk while you circle and shoot.
Slow paced? Shesh, I must be playing an imaginary game because, I never fought a battle while baking some bread. (yes, I can bake bread) Point being, I think people have the wrong first impression of EVE and this will never change. EVE was not made for everyone and it will never be for everyone. You either love it or hate it but the devs don’t give a fuck about people that do not like the game. It’s as simple as that. Blizzard focuses on eating as many subs while CCP focused on growing their community with quality members. As for the person going insane on my low amount of hours on EVE in 5 years… well.. haha. Thank you for pointing out that I have a life and only play games casualy. One month of eve is not even half an hour of work for me… so money is far from being an issue here. To the folks constantly bashing EVE… I really don’t understand why. Most of you are probably elite pvpers and big hardcore players and EVE offers exactly that but you need a bit of patience at first. At least killing someone in EVE has meaning and value.
yes you can afk fight lvl 4, i have done it many times during late hours. hardeners on, release drones, aggressive/focus fire, nap, woke up drones are buzzing around my ishtar and im surrounded with wrecks.
Security Missions / kill missions lvl 1 - lvl 4, very similar to wow. you go there, kill this, come back with his tags or some other crap, fly back to your agent/quest givers, turn in, you get Loyalty points, rinse, repeat the grind so you can eventually get enough Lp points to progress to a more difficult mission.. i.e lvl 4.
Tactics man you forgot that this game is about tactics.. oh yes. you go to EVEinfo - type in the mission name your running and what lvl. and there you go, they tell you what to expect on every single fight, and even suggest a ship and hardeners ammo loadout for best results.. same in wow, i go to thottbot look up the quest i have and bam.. huh so thats where those murlocs are.
and please don't delude yourself on your so called "quality members" , every mmo game has both spectrum of players. we all know the game is riddled with scammers, griefers, and elitist. just like wow..
I don't care waht the flamers say, I played this game about 4 times before and nevre got round to buying, but simply after reading the OP's post i went, downloaded steam and then bought EvE. For £2,99 GBP this is a bargain especially for 51 days play time.
"If they can make Penicillin out of mouldy bread, they can sure make something out of you," - Muhammed Ali
Got a few chuckles reading through all the "eve hate" in here.
Eve certainly isn't for everyone.
I love eve. It is complex, intense, fascinating, and ever evolving. I've quit every other MMO I've tried after 3-4 months out of boredom. I'm coming up on 5 years in eve and I swear it still has much of the same allure that it did back when I started.
Eve is meant to be tough, and I don't think it SHOULD appeal to everyone. When I read the vitriol in an eve-bashing thread like this I just smile and thank god CCP has the balls to be true to their vision and not "sell out" to the masses. True genius.
If you are looking for quick gratification or an "arcade style" fix, eve won't be your thing. If you enjoy working out incredibly difficult and long term diplomatic and logistic problems while lots of smart people are trying hard to utterly destroy you, come on down.. you'll love it : )
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Comments
Ah, a large ongoing EVE debate. Lovely!
I remember before Revelations, when there was no such thing as jump to 0m. You could only get within 15km, unless you set insta-jump bookmarks. See, guys? CCP does give in to whining about the game being too hard.
I remember when you could equip more than one microwarp drive. That was waaaay back in the day, and some damned good times, too.
I love EVE. Sure the space is mostly empty and the stations are standardized, but if you're acclimated to the game, it doesn't seem empty because you're not going through space one kilometer at a time, and location does matter. In EVE, you have to think on a grander scale to keep yourself occupied. Yep, the game is sort of like a spreadsheet. Yep, there are long downtimes. But I never had a problem with that, since I was too busy planning my next ludicrously complex series of activities, of which there was a huge variety to choose from.
In WoW, you choose between standing at the AH, standing at the bank, acting like a retard in town, going to one of maybe three or four areas (at your level) to quest for levels or grind reputation, getting a small group to do an instance, getting a large group to execute a raid, doing pre-manufactured PvP playgrounds, lurking around trying to gank someone, mining nodes/fishing, or grinding a crafting skill.
List seems long, but that's pretty much all there is to it.
If I listed all the stuff you can potentially do in EVE, my post would blow up MMORPG.com and destroy the Internet. You can do half of the stuff that's possible in real life in EVE, in some esoteric form or another. If you can think it up, chances are, it's possible (you might not be able to do it personally or on your own or Soon™, but that's beside the point).
If I'd change one thing about EVE, it would be the way wardecs currently work in highsec (or did when I retired a couple of years ago), to give juicy carebear targets more reasonable options for dealing with wardecs. Wardecs were getting just a tad out of hand, and carebears ARE important to the rest of the EVE playerbase. Somebody has to do all the mining, manufacturing, and mission running while I'm out committing piracy in lowsec.
Currently Playing: EVE Online
Retired From: UO, FFXI, AO, SWG, Ryzom, GW, WoW, WAR
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
In EVE, you can indeed get anything with money (including a pre-skilled pilot and most ships and equipment), but that matters not a single whit if you aren't experienced and don't know what you're doing. You can't buy experience for any amount of ISK.
It's great when some tool who's been playing for two or three months RMTs billions of ISK and buys a mini-mom (small carrier), rare implants, equipment, drones, and a pre-skilled pilot to fly it, then gets it blown up because he knows jack-all about the finer points of the game.
People actually do that, too. It happens all the time. Player skill and knowledge of the game is the #1 most important factor in EVE.
Currently Playing: EVE Online
Retired From: UO, FFXI, AO, SWG, Ryzom, GW, WoW, WAR
Sort of. You don't buy ISK from CCP, you buy it from other players in the game, who sell it to you for game time cards, which they use to pay their subs.
Does not really fit the true definition of RMT.
They support this RMT (they have they're own forum section for this) so it is real RMT. People trade real money (Gametimecards) for ingame currency. Which is the worst thing to do in a game live EvE, where you can get everything with money.
It's right, in Eve you can buy everything with money, but you can also loose everything. Eve has a full-loot system. If you have the cohones to risk a fully pimped multi billion isk ship, it's your choice. "rmt" balances itself by risk vs. reward.
If I mentioned every mundane activity I could do in something like WOW, I could blow up MMORPG.com too=) Thats the thing about Eve. People call every tiny action "something to do" to justify how DEEP the game is. It only shows just how boring the game actually is when mundane ordinary activites in every other MMO are considered "doing something" in Eve. Speaks volumes.
It doesn't matter, even the noob will increase his knowledge over time and become experienced. It's a bad justification in my view, sorry.
EvE only looks complex on the surface but it's rather easy if you look closer. You just need to remember some numbers which you can easily fetch by clicking some of the items (like min/max/opt range for weapons). Allot of the hard parts can be done by 3rd party software (fitting your ship etc). Anything else is combat experience or some common sense.
Please stop glorify its complexity, it's a insult to all chess players.
Personaly I think its EvEs freedom that lures in the most people. What eve has that many MMOs dont are:
EvE can not be played like your ordinary game. Its not designed to amuse and entertain you. Missions are repetative and boring, Mining is not mush better. Playing the market and Hauling stuff great distances is also not so fun. What you have to understand is that they are not suposed to be fun. Its a way to make Money. There are alot off other ways to make money in EvE some are more fun some less.
As you train skills offline and dont get better by playing more. It all comes down to economics, you play EvE to make ISK, with ISK you can PVP more, Buy more skill, take more risk and test out new things.
There are Hundreads of ways to play EvE, or should I say hundreads of ways to make ISKs, I know a few others no more. You can gamble, Manafacture, haul, hack, scan, do WHs, play the market, by stocks, save money in a Bank, Pirate, Moon mine, Ratt, Make drugs/boosters, take Mercenary jobbs. be a spy, Run a corperation, do missions, mine, Flip cans and do scams...
In the End its all about the Money: who has it, who dont and those that have to mush. EvE is mush more like a cross betwen monopoly and axis and allies then it's like other MMOS. It's ment to be played toghether against other players. Its not a solo game its a true Massive Multiplayer Game. You try to outsmart you fellow players, on the market and in PVP. You take from him and try to keep him from taking from you. Its a Pure PVP experince in a game world that can change hands, where your choises are yours to make, Go where you want when you want. Shoot who you want but be ready for the consequences.
In EvE people try to Hurt me and I try to hurt them. If you spend hours mining in a belt to get a new ship and then have it blown up you arnt going to be that happy hehe. EvE is risk vs reward, player vs player, corp vs corp, alliance vs alliance. Its one huge galaxy where you can pawn your fellow man to submission. One glories world filled with the most cutthroat individuals you will ever meet in a game, and that is why I love it
Hmm, I should have expected the ragers and flamers would pounce on this topic.
*sigh*
I keep making the mistake of thinking that mmorpg.com has better quality posters than gamefaqs. Oh well. I was simply stating a possibly useful fact for those interested. I didn't mean to create a flame war XD
All publicity is good publicity Evilgreen5. so dont be so hard on yourself..
They support this RMT (they have they're own forum section for this) so it is real RMT. People trade real money (Gametimecards) for ingame currency. Which is the worst thing to do in a game live EvE, where you can get everything with money.
hey sup o/
do you need a CNR whit officer mods ?
BestSigEver :P
I see new players to eve within a month doing very well in pvp situations, you would be amazed at what T1 frigates can do
I would have to agree with some people saying, "stop calling Eve extremely hard and complex."
I guess if your smarter than the average bear you should be able to play a game.
Oh and if you can't read I wouldn't suggest playing it.
Well, I've seen people do well within a week in WoW in pvp situations. Point is, Eve feel tedious and slow for people used to more fast-paced mmo's. I still can't get over the fact that the game reward you for not playing it, and I read somewhere there is this new mmo in the making thinking about doing the same thing. Can't remember the name at the moment though.
Anyway the only way I join Eve is if they radically change the way you fly your ships. Autopilot and afk fights don't sit well with me. I need more immersion than that. Since then won't ever do that, I will not play this game.
---
Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
heres a suggestion then: dont use the autopilot.
problem solved.
a lot of people talk a lot of shit about eve, thats their right to do so i guess, but you can see why the eve community looks down on them.
that being said however, mission running is the equivalent of doing your daily quests in wow, gets you money and standings but isnt the whole game.
fantastic idea. id rank it up there with the "new server" and "new pve server" ideas in terms of practicality and usefulness.
LMAO.
Reality check: Nobody cares about your ignore list.
As for EVE: Mediocre as an MMO, poor as an sci-fi rtt game.
AFK fighting?
Slow paced?
Shesh, I must be playing an imaginary game because, I never fought a battle while baking some bread. (yes, I can bake bread)
Point being, I think people have the wrong first impression of EVE and this will never change. EVE was not made for everyone and it will never be for everyone. You either love it or hate it but the devs don’t give a fuck about people that do not like the game. It’s as simple as that. Blizzard focuses on eating as many subs while CCP focused on growing their community with quality members.
As for the person going insane on my low amount of hours on EVE in 5 years… well.. haha. Thank you for pointing out that I have a life and only play games casualy. One month of eve is not even half an hour of work for me… so money is far from being an issue here.
To the folks constantly bashing EVE… I really don’t understand why. Most of you are probably elite pvpers and big hardcore players and EVE offers exactly that but you need a bit of patience at first. At least killing someone in EVE has meaning and value.
I hope someone answers this for me.
If you buy the $4.99 deal do you get to actually use your 21 day trial account?
It says in highlights that "product keys will not work with existing Eve Online accounts.
I'm confused because i would assume you couldn't get the deal stacked onto your 21 day free trial but people in here seem to think you can.
I Tried eve and found it to be the most boring mmorpg I have played, I really disliked the lack of control of my ship and also the fact everything was overly menu driven. Where is the free flight like a flight sim? REAL combat not just click target click orbit within weapon distance you set then go half afk while you circle and shoot.
double click in space and your ship flies in that direction.
you're welcome.
yes you can afk fight lvl 4, i have done it many times during late hours. hardeners on, release drones, aggressive/focus fire, nap, woke up drones are buzzing around my ishtar and im surrounded with wrecks.
Security Missions / kill missions lvl 1 - lvl 4, very similar to wow. you go there, kill this, come back with his tags or some other crap, fly back to your agent/quest givers, turn in, you get Loyalty points, rinse, repeat the grind so you can eventually get enough Lp points to progress to a more difficult mission.. i.e lvl 4.
Tactics man you forgot that this game is about tactics.. oh yes. you go to EVEinfo - type in the mission name your running and what lvl. and there you go, they tell you what to expect on every single fight, and even suggest a ship and hardeners ammo loadout for best results.. same in wow, i go to thottbot look up the quest i have and bam.. huh so thats where those murlocs are.
and please don't delude yourself on your so called "quality members" , every mmo game has both spectrum of players. we all know the game is riddled with scammers, griefers, and elitist. just like wow..
I don't care waht the flamers say, I played this game about 4 times before and nevre got round to buying, but simply after reading the OP's post i went, downloaded steam and then bought EvE. For £2,99 GBP this is a bargain especially for 51 days play time.
"If they can make Penicillin out of mouldy bread, they can sure make something out of you," - Muhammed Ali
it does entertain me to see people who did nothing but grind missions talk about their extensive experience in eve.
anyone know that ... well anyone that made the tutorial
BestSigEver :P
Got a few chuckles reading through all the "eve hate" in here.
Eve certainly isn't for everyone.
I love eve. It is complex, intense, fascinating, and ever evolving. I've quit every other MMO I've tried after 3-4 months out of boredom. I'm coming up on 5 years in eve and I swear it still has much of the same allure that it did back when I started.
Eve is meant to be tough, and I don't think it SHOULD appeal to everyone. When I read the vitriol in an eve-bashing thread like this I just smile and thank god CCP has the balls to be true to their vision and not "sell out" to the masses. True genius.
If you are looking for quick gratification or an "arcade style" fix, eve won't be your thing. If you enjoy working out incredibly difficult and long term diplomatic and logistic problems while lots of smart people are trying hard to utterly destroy you, come on down.. you'll love it : )
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)