Funny to see people try to sell Eve as a complex game. Really, to win a fight all depends on who's a little lucky with the rolls and who got the bigger guns. What's so complicated about that? Even a damn kid can get behind that concept. Only thing Eve got going for itself that can be considered somewhat complex is the ingame economy, allthough that is economy lite. Not saying any other mmo does it better though, but Eve is a game as any other game. You don't need a Mensa membership to play it for christs nonexistent sake. It's as simplistic as any other mmo more or less. Space is fun though, but Eve somehow managed to make space boring...Oh well...
Shooting a target drone in a noob ship isn't very complex, I'll grant you that. Most of the posts criticizing eve in here are fairly obviously from people who have only played the game briefly or who don't enjoy the long-term opportunities eve offers.
Running a corporation, forming a business plan, dealing with diplomacy, fighting effectively in small or large fleets, managing logistics with any military or industrial operation... granted it isn'r neurosurgery, but no other game out there comes close to eve in terms of complexity. None that I've seen anyway.
People call eve a "screen saver" or a "spreadsheet" frequently... and I can see how someone completely uninspired by the game might think this. Personally I think the game of golf is MORONIC but I know and respect people that play, and I understand that they find many nuances and much joy in the game. To me it is just knocking the crap out of a ball with a stick on genetically engineered grass surrounded by people wearing silly clothes. I prefer to climb mountains, and lots of people think I'm nuts. To each his own.
I've said this before in posts here, but I think the thing that seperates the people that love eve and the people that hate eve (doesn't seem to be much middle ground) is whether or not you see the possibilities in the game early on.
I started years ago as a noob like everyone else in a universte full of aggressive and well-established characters... but even during the first week I saw the potential in the game, things I wanted to achieve, abilities and ships I wanted to acquire.
It seemed almost impossible back then and I knew it would take years to get to where I wanted to go, but that's the kind of challenge I find myself enjoying. Every endeavor in eve requires problem solving ability and willingness to accept risk. You also have to have people skills and a decent plan. And of course it is possible to make a stupid mistake in eve and lose within seconds everything you've worked for over a period of years. Some people hate that- to me it makes success enjoyable.
The negative posters in this thread have a right to their opinions.. but I would request that they qualify these opinions with the admission that they either do not have a temperment compatible with eve, or that they lack the patience or time in game to comment on some of the more impressive things that the game has to offer.
Then on the other hand, there's no such thing as bad publicity and the "hate" posts are amusing.
Most important thing is this: for the people thinking about trying the game, don't let the negative posts keep you from trying it. See for yourself, and realize that the trial period doesn't give you adequate time to see the tip of the iceberg. If eve is a good fit for you, you may find years of challenge and enjoyment in the game as many of us have.
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Funny to see people try to sell Eve as a complex game. Really, to win a fight all depends on who's a little lucky with the rolls and who got the bigger guns. What's so complicated about that? Even a damn kid can get behind that concept. Only thing Eve got going for itself that can be considered somewhat complex is the ingame economy, allthough that is economy lite. Not saying any other mmo does it better though, but Eve is a game as any other game. You don't need a Mensa membership to play it for christs nonexistent sake. It's as simplistic as any other mmo more or less. Space is fun though, but Eve somehow managed to make space boring...Oh well...
The Complexety comes from going up against other players. Nothing on todays market beats a human opponent. What makes EvE a great game is the fact that its so player vs player focused. That is what the game is about.
EvE is not playing missions and salavaging or mining mindlessly away in some astroid belt. Those things are really boring I know. But in EvE those things are done to get ISK. Its not like you team up up to go do some lvl fours trying to beat some fantastic AI. No its a grind for cash. Just like in IRL you have to do some boring stuff to get the money so you can go on that fun holiday hehe.
EvE is a player vs player game, not a PVE game. Those that go into EvE thinking, hey im gona stay in empire and mine and do missions arnt really playing the game. Those things are there so people can get ISK not as a fun experience. The fun in EvE starts when you get over the first threshold and understand that Hey if I wanna mess these people up I CAN! It comes when you hide in low sec or 0,0 as a gang of hostiles sweep by and try to find you. It comes when you see the first ship you have shoot down explod, and you know somone somewhere is bashing their keyboard in frustration. It comes when you suicide gank a transport-ship and it opens up like a Pinjata, and you and your friends can pick up all the goodies . Its when you setup a scam currier contract to some hostile part of space just to watch some noob take the bait and get blown up trying to compleat it haha. And nothing beats bringing in a big load of Loot to jita and watching the ISK flow in.
Nothing will ever beat the rush of EvEs PvP or the thrill of making ISKs, now you might not understand this but making ISK and kicking ase and taking names are the Reasons I play EvE. All the carebare games in the world cant compare, im sorry there just isen't any fun in killing or dying when the death penalty equals zero, like in world of warcraft for example. A static game that only offers a mindless grind for items? Why do that when you can go out and mess people up? take thier space, shoot thier ships, Pod their toons and humilate them big time. Undercutting people on the market, or use your jump clone and buy up stuff in a region then raise the price, forcing people to buy overpriced goods. Fliping some cans in highsec and shooting noob miners who in vain try to defend their loot. Or wardec people and hide in cloaked ships and pawn their miners in Empire.
Now what is best in EVE: " To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and here their crying in local"
wow i didnt think this many people disliked EVE. I've been seriously playing since febuary, and i finally got over the large hump that is the learning curve during this last attempt at enjoying EVE. Players nowadays are used to everything being handed to them, i guess with that in mind i can see why most people dont like EVE.
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Youst for the fun of it im gona tell another EvE story. First I wil go thru a few things to everyone understands how the EvE mecanic works:
In the most lawless parts of space In EVE, that we call 0,0. Corporations can build and own Stations. In these stations members of their alliance and those with good sec status towards them can dock. Others, neutrals and enemies can not. This is used by scammers to create currier contracts to lure people out of their hard earned ISKs. The scammer simple makes the contract puts in some shity items then sets huge collateral, what he will be paid if the goods aren’t delivered in time. After that he sets a good reward should anyone complete it. Now many new people in EvE just see the reward and think hey I can dock in highsec why should it not be a problem to dock at that station in 0,0. The scam is nasty in that way. If the person doing it manages to get thru all the hostiles, that are going to shoot at him in this part of space, in the end he will not be able to dock as he is not part of the alliance that holds the station. Grimm is it not hehe.
When I was a noob I myself fell for this devilish scheme. I saw a nice contract to deliver some items 12 jumps for a huge reward about 30m. I paid the collateral, a 100m I think it was. Jumped to the system, avoiding all hostiles on the way. Had to hide in safe-spots and use my scanner to see that the gates where cleared. So it took me maybe 30m to get there. Still that is 1m profit per minute, so I was happy. Then I try to dock and I cant! And it all start to dawn on me. I click up the contract am I in the wrong place? No. Did I forget to bring the items, I check my ships cargo hold? No….. At this point I understand that I have been played a fool….. So I’m sitting there looking at this smiling fuckers image, thinking, man how I whish I could get you alone in a dark room. When it suddenly dawns on me I might still get out of this. I bring up the station again, I look for who owns it. I find the Corporation, I find the alliance.
Then I spend the next 30m, while hiding in the system, trying to get a hold of a recruitment officer for this alliance. And finally I get a hit, I speak with this nice fellow whose corp is part of the alliance and tell him that I’m interested in joining. He is happy to bring me onboard and 2,5 hours later after jumping to their offices and back, I dock at the station and deliver the crap items. 30m richer I return in triumph to empire. And then I get another idea, I look up that scammer again, and what do I find he has made 6 more contracts to the same station. Quickly I pick them all up and do them in 30m. As now all the Reds in those systems are blue to me because I just joined their alliance.
Last laugh is on me!….. I never saw that scammer making any contracts to that station again haha
You really have a hard time to be able to play games, aren't you.
I mean as with Chronicles of Spellborn, alot of those games that you have previously linked in your quotes one way or another have had something, according to you definitons/argumentations and sometimes actually did have anything, to do with RMT
I'll tell you what, the amount of extreme hatred vs the amount of extreme fanboism is all the proof I need that EvE is a good game. If it wasn't it wouldn't stir up so much craziness.
Add in the fact that, besides from the monster that is WoW, EvE is the only other MMO as old as it is that is still increasing in subscriptions. Sure, some of those are second/third accounts but so what? Sounds like a winning business model to me.
Originally posted by magister87 hmm most of the people who post in the eve forum here, don't like eve....
One question: Why waste your time here?
addendum: second question: why post in this thread? I mean if you made a thread " eve sucks because..."; then whatever discussion is good but in this thread it makes no sense.
this thread was in one of the general forums and was only moved to the eve forum after about 10 pages of vitriol.
Eve is awesome as long as you don't have the attention span of a gnat and you know how to find things to do even if it doesn't include Elves with giant question marks over their heads.
Please... All the people with ADD and the need for a big spoon to feed you... keep playing your cartoons.
I will continue to enjoy a thinking man's game with limitless possibilities.
Funny to see people try to sell Eve as a complex game. Really, to win a fight all depends on who's a little lucky with the rolls and who got the bigger guns. What's so complicated about that? Even a damn kid can get behind that concept. Only thing Eve got going for itself that can be considered somewhat complex is the ingame economy, allthough that is economy lite. Not saying any other mmo does it better though, but Eve is a game as any other game. You don't need a Mensa membership to play it for christs nonexistent sake. It's as simplistic as any other mmo more or less. Space is fun though, but Eve somehow managed to make space boring...Oh well...
Not sure how much experience you have PvPing in EvE but you'd be amazed what a few assault frigates can do to a battleship.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
For me to join EVE the only incentives I can think of now are:
Gameplay change: Flight Model based on player skill + action based Elite/Freelancer model, with wasd+mouse, free flight, strafe vertical and horizontal , boost, engine kill/stop
The way it is now, no way.
Sorry but the game is based on player skill (not SP),you fail,now ride back to WoW on your fail horse.
it's based on players SKILLS that you spent points into. Not player skill, for the action is more of an RTS then anything. Which basically means if you have not been in the game for ages, you pretty much fail against people who have, and they make up the majority of this community.
Originally posted by Katilla it's based on players SKILLS that you spent points into. Not player skill, for the action is more of an RTS then anything. Which basically means if you have not been in the game for ages, you pretty much fail against people who have, and they make up the majority of this community. and ffs a WoW comment? get real.
You were directed to WoW because that is what you think EVE is. If you think that character age matters in EVE, you better stop making such clueless statements and/or go playing game that is familiar to you.
Character skills are secondary in PVP and on the contrary, the game allows you to 'catch up' faster then in any other game.
For me to join EVE the only incentives I can think of now are:
Gameplay change: Flight Model based on player skill + action based Elite/Freelancer model, with wasd+mouse, free flight, strafe vertical and horizontal , boost, engine kill/stop
The way it is now, no way.
Sorry but the game is based on player skill (not SP),you fail,now ride back to WoW on your fail horse.
it's based on players SKILLS that you spent points into. Not player skill, for the action is more of an RTS then anything. Which basically means if you have not been in the game for ages, you pretty much fail against people who have, and they make up the majority of this community.
and ffs a WoW comment? get real.
a thrasher will beat a wolf, the wolf costs 10 times as much and needs 10 times the skillpoints.
I havnt read the whole thread but so someone may have said this:
People who are complaining about "long travel times" in this game havnt played it much or at all IMO. Its been my experience that most people stay within 10 jumps of their home area and pretty rarely travel far. Usually far travel happens when you need to go to a trade hub and if you are playing smart that shouldnt be very often. The other time we do alot fo traveling is when we are flying around in a PvP roaming fleet/gang and that isnt boring at all.
EvE is hard to learn so I understand how people can have misconceptions but they are in fact misconceptions.
Funny to see people try to sell Eve as a complex game. Really, to win a fight all depends on who's a little lucky with the rolls and who got the bigger guns. What's so complicated about that? Even a damn kid can get behind that concept. Only thing Eve got going for itself that can be considered somewhat complex is the ingame economy, allthough that is economy lite. Not saying any other mmo does it better though, but Eve is a game as any other game. You don't need a Mensa membership to play it for christs nonexistent sake. It's as simplistic as any other mmo more or less. Space is fun though, but Eve somehow managed to make space boring...Oh well...
Eve's complexity lies in its ship builds, PvP tactics, economy, industry, politics and other facets such as these. But even you example about "bigger guns" isnt correct. Ive been killed by smaller ships a number of times. Especially in small fleet combat, player-skill makes a huge difference. Ive seen single ships completely ellude 5-7 ship fleets and pick off ships one at a time.
And trust me, the player base is MUCH beter in EVE than most other MMORPGs out there. This is comming from someone who really likes WoW and thinks it is the best PvE game ever. But the level of sophistication and maturity in EvE players is way beyond the average in WoW.
As far as being boring, that is subjective but I have to say I have never been bored in EVE. Its has fascinated me every moment Ive played. Ive gotten really really really frustrated, but never bored. The most intense gaming moments of my life have been in EVE PvP. Getting killed or killing has significant consequences.
Ive noticed alot of people are making their opinions about EVE and have clearly only missioned in the game. I mission something and enjoy it, but the real fun of EVE IMO is when you are competing against other players (and not just PvE combat). That said, there are litterally thousands of carebear corps that do nothing but mission and mine so onviously there is a type of player that really enjoys that aspect.
Lastly I have to say that EvE is more like a simulation than a game. It really feels like a living, breathing world.
Well, whatever man. It's still a mmo and you don't need too much brainpower to play them. Get the biggest and best boot out there and you can kick arse with the best of them. It's as easy as that.
All the ingame politics doesn't make the game complicated. Some of the best pvp politics I've ever witnessed was in Anarchy Online pre-sl and pvp there is simple. Twinking for pvp is a little worse but basic math skills would get you through that.
Ship builds complicated?? Lol, google eve ship builds/loadout/fitting and presto, there you go.
Pvp tactics? Right, get somewhat competent players behind the wheel and ventrillo going and they would be quite hard to take down. That goes for any mmo that got pvp in it. It's not complicated at all. Ever heard of premades? Yes they existed before WoW and you where mincemeat if you got in their way for the most part.
The economy part is the only part in Eve which is kinda complicated but it's still economy lite.
Funny you should mention the player base. Snot-nosed elitist is my experience with them. They are full of themselfes, looking at themselfes like the only smart players out there, who play the only mmo worth playing. Pvp games tend to attract those kinda people, just look at Darkfall.
I'll stop now before I go completely hater on this game. It just off me the wrong way when people want to sell this game, or any game for that matter, as something it isn't. Besides I like to argue with the Eve nuts. Their world view is quite skewed at times. I get they love the game, but it blows for alot of other people. Just the way things work.
Edit:Why was this thread moved? It doesn't belong in the Eve forums as little as a thread inviting players to other games belong in this forum. I guess all the flames took their toll on some people. Oh well, getting ready to get edited/deleted or/and banned for this. Won't be the first time.
Well, whatever man. It's still a mmo and you don't need too much brainpower to play them. Get the biggest and best boot out there and you can kick arse with the best of them. It's as easy as that. All the ingame politics doesn't make the game complicated. Some of the best pvp politics I've ever witnessed was in Anarchy Online pre-sl and pvp there is simple. Twinking for pvp is a little worse but basic math skills would get you through that. Ship builds complicated?? Lol, google eve ship builds/loadout/fitting and presto, there you go. Pvp tactics? Right, get somewhat competent players behind the wheel and ventrillo going and they would be quite hard to take down. That goes for any mmo that got pvp in it. It's not complicated at all. Ever heard of premades? Yes they existed before WoW and you where mincemeat if you got in their way for the most part. The economy part is the only part in Eve which is kinda complicated but it's still economy lite. Funny you should mention the player base. Snot-nosed elitist is my experience with them. They are full of themselfes, looking at themselfes like the only smart players out there, who play the only mmo worth playing. Pvp games tend to attract those kinda people, just look at Darkfall. I'll stop now before I go completely hater on this game. It just off me the wrong way when people want to sell this game, or any game for that matter, as something it isn't. Besides I like to argue with the Eve nuts. Their world view is quite skewed at times. I get they like the game, but it blows for alot of other people. Just the way things work.
Can you name a reasonably popular MMO that is more complex so I can have a better time considering your opinion as valid in its own way? I like to give people coming off as arrogant the benefit of the doubt.
"Well, whatever man. It's still a mmo and you don't need too much brainpower to play them. Get the biggest and best boot out there and you can kick arse with the best of them. It's as easy as that."
Actually it isnt as simple as that. If you think that, you havnt done much PvP with or against skilled players.
>>>>All the ingame politics doesn't make the game complicated.
Perhaps you are a master politician and what is hard and deep for the rest of us is easy for yoy?
>>>Ship builds complicated?? Lol, google eve ship builds/loadout/fitting and presto, there you go.
Um, is that how you choose all your fittings? I look at what other people have done for ideas but there are thousands of permutations and there is no "best" build. Maybe you dont see the depth here because you just copies other people's fits and never really expored it? It seems pretty obvious that is the case.
>>>Pvp tactics? Right, get somewhat competent players behind the wheel and ventrillo going and they would be quite hard to take down. That goes for any mmo that got pvp in it. It's not complicated at all. Ever heard of premades? Yes they existed before WoW and you where mincemeat if you got in their way for the most part.
Ok, now I cant even take you seriously. Im suspecting you havnt even PvPed in EVE and just read about it. Skilled PvP fleets complelty destroy unskilled ones.
>>>The economy part is the only part in Eve which is kinda complicated but it's still economy lite.
Compared to what? The real world? Well yeah, Im not sure Id want to play a game that was as complciated as the real world.
>>> Snot-nosed elitist is my experience with them. They are full of themselfes, looking at themselfes like the only smart players out there, who play the only mmo worth playing. Pvp games tend to attract those kinda people, just look at Darkfall.
Yeah there are some elitiest people in EVE. There are also alot of really down to earth people. In both cases Ive found them to be pretty smart. Much smarter than those than I encountered in WOW or EQ or such games. (And I really like/liked those games) Most of all Ive found the players in EVE to be the most generous and helping and Ive played pretty much every MMO except SWG.
>>>Besides I like to argue with the Eve nuts. Their world view is quite skewed at times. I get they love the game, but it blows for alot of other people. Just the way things work.
What tends to get EVE players worked up is misrepresentation. Sorry if this sounds elitist but you simply are misinformed about alot of things you are saying. Some things are a matter of opinion but alot of the things you are saying arent.
You dont like the game. Thats fine. There are alot of games I know to be good but just arent my cup of tea. But I can promise you that you dont have the smallest understanding of how EVE really works. But even if you did, I can tell you that this isnt a game for you. The fact that you think that having the biggest ship is best or just copying fits from the the internet is the way to go is proof that you dont want a game that requires alot of problem solving. Im not saying this as an insult.
You people are incredible. Well, screw it. I'm done arguing with you eve folks. This can't end well nomatter how it goes. Signing off this thread, as usual when I get into argument with Eve people. Hell, even Zorndorf is more sensible.
The fact of the matter is this was an EVE Online related thread about bringing in new players, and you were in here starting things. To each his own opinion, sure. But if you're going to voice it, then be prepared to get into a discussion about it in the discussion forums that we post on. Don't lay blame on EVE Online players who apparently have world views that are quite skewed at times for causing a ruckus.
Besides, your point was weak. You don't take away from the complexity of a game by googling walk-throughs and how-to's.
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Funny to see people try to sell Eve as a complex game. Really, to win a fight all depends on who's a little lucky with the rolls and who got the bigger guns. What's so complicated about that? Even a damn kid can get behind that concept. Only thing Eve got going for itself that can be considered somewhat complex is the ingame economy, allthough that is economy lite. Not saying any other mmo does it better though, but Eve is a game as any other game. You don't need a Mensa membership to play it for christs nonexistent sake. It's as simplistic as any other mmo more or less. Space is fun though, but Eve somehow managed to make space boring...Oh well...
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
Like I said, it isn't for everyone.
Shooting a target drone in a noob ship isn't very complex, I'll grant you that. Most of the posts criticizing eve in here are fairly obviously from people who have only played the game briefly or who don't enjoy the long-term opportunities eve offers.
Running a corporation, forming a business plan, dealing with diplomacy, fighting effectively in small or large fleets, managing logistics with any military or industrial operation... granted it isn'r neurosurgery, but no other game out there comes close to eve in terms of complexity. None that I've seen anyway.
People call eve a "screen saver" or a "spreadsheet" frequently... and I can see how someone completely uninspired by the game might think this. Personally I think the game of golf is MORONIC but I know and respect people that play, and I understand that they find many nuances and much joy in the game. To me it is just knocking the crap out of a ball with a stick on genetically engineered grass surrounded by people wearing silly clothes. I prefer to climb mountains, and lots of people think I'm nuts. To each his own.
I've said this before in posts here, but I think the thing that seperates the people that love eve and the people that hate eve (doesn't seem to be much middle ground) is whether or not you see the possibilities in the game early on.
I started years ago as a noob like everyone else in a universte full of aggressive and well-established characters... but even during the first week I saw the potential in the game, things I wanted to achieve, abilities and ships I wanted to acquire.
It seemed almost impossible back then and I knew it would take years to get to where I wanted to go, but that's the kind of challenge I find myself enjoying. Every endeavor in eve requires problem solving ability and willingness to accept risk. You also have to have people skills and a decent plan. And of course it is possible to make a stupid mistake in eve and lose within seconds everything you've worked for over a period of years. Some people hate that- to me it makes success enjoyable.
The negative posters in this thread have a right to their opinions.. but I would request that they qualify these opinions with the admission that they either do not have a temperment compatible with eve, or that they lack the patience or time in game to comment on some of the more impressive things that the game has to offer.
Then on the other hand, there's no such thing as bad publicity and the "hate" posts are amusing.
Most important thing is this: for the people thinking about trying the game, don't let the negative posts keep you from trying it. See for yourself, and realize that the trial period doesn't give you adequate time to see the tip of the iceberg. If eve is a good fit for you, you may find years of challenge and enjoyment in the game as many of us have.
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The Complexety comes from going up against other players. Nothing on todays market beats a human opponent. What makes EvE a great game is the fact that its so player vs player focused. That is what the game is about.
EvE is not playing missions and salavaging or mining mindlessly away in some astroid belt. Those things are really boring I know. But in EvE those things are done to get ISK. Its not like you team up up to go do some lvl fours trying to beat some fantastic AI. No its a grind for cash. Just like in IRL you have to do some boring stuff to get the money so you can go on that fun holiday hehe.
EvE is a player vs player game, not a PVE game. Those that go into EvE thinking, hey im gona stay in empire and mine and do missions arnt really playing the game. Those things are there so people can get ISK not as a fun experience. The fun in EvE starts when you get over the first threshold and understand that Hey if I wanna mess these people up I CAN! It comes when you hide in low sec or 0,0 as a gang of hostiles sweep by and try to find you. It comes when you see the first ship you have shoot down explod, and you know somone somewhere is bashing their keyboard in frustration. It comes when you suicide gank a transport-ship and it opens up like a Pinjata, and you and your friends can pick up all the goodies
. Its when you setup a scam currier contract to some hostile part of space just to watch some noob take the bait and get blown up trying to compleat it haha. And nothing beats bringing in a big load of Loot to jita and watching the ISK flow in.
Nothing will ever beat the rush of EvEs PvP or the thrill of making ISKs, now you might not understand this but making ISK and kicking ase and taking names are the Reasons I play EvE. All the carebare games in the world cant compare, im sorry there just isen't any fun in killing or dying when the death penalty equals zero, like in world of warcraft for example. A static game that only offers a mindless grind for items? Why do that when you can go out and mess people up? take thier space, shoot thier ships, Pod their toons and humilate them big time. Undercutting people on the market, or use your jump clone and buy up stuff in a region then raise the price, forcing people to buy overpriced goods. Fliping some cans in highsec and shooting noob miners who in vain try to defend their loot. Or wardec people and hide in cloaked ships and pawn their miners in Empire.
Now what is best in EVE: " To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and here their crying in local"
wow i didnt think this many people disliked EVE. I've been seriously playing since febuary, and i finally got over the large hump that is the learning curve during this last attempt at enjoying EVE. Players nowadays are used to everything being handed to them, i guess with that in mind i can see why most people dont like EVE.
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Youst for the fun of it im gona tell another EvE story. First I wil go thru a few things to everyone understands how the EvE mecanic works:
In the most lawless parts of space In EVE, that we call 0,0. Corporations can build and own Stations. In these stations members of their alliance and those with good sec status towards them can dock. Others, neutrals and enemies can not. This is used by scammers to create currier contracts to lure people out of their hard earned ISKs. The scammer simple makes the contract puts in some shity items then sets huge collateral, what he will be paid if the goods aren’t delivered in time. After that he sets a good reward should anyone complete it. Now many new people in EvE just see the reward and think hey I can dock in highsec why should it not be a problem to dock at that station in 0,0. The scam is nasty in that way. If the person doing it manages to get thru all the hostiles, that are going to shoot at him in this part of space, in the end he will not be able to dock as he is not part of the alliance that holds the station. Grimm is it not hehe.
When I was a noob I myself fell for this devilish scheme. I saw a nice contract to deliver some items 12 jumps for a huge reward about 30m. I paid the collateral, a 100m I think it was. Jumped to the system, avoiding all hostiles on the way. Had to hide in safe-spots and use my scanner to see that the gates where cleared. So it took me maybe 30m to get there. Still that is 1m profit per minute, so I was happy. Then I try to dock and I cant! And it all start to dawn on me. I click up the contract am I in the wrong place? No. Did I forget to bring the items, I check my ships cargo hold? No….. At this point I understand that I have been played a fool….. So I’m sitting there looking at this smiling fuckers image, thinking, man how I whish I could get you alone in a dark room. When it suddenly dawns on me I might still get out of this. I bring up the station again, I look for who owns it. I find the Corporation, I find the alliance.
Then I spend the next 30m, while hiding in the system, trying to get a hold of a recruitment officer for this alliance. And finally I get a hit, I speak with this nice fellow whose corp is part of the alliance and tell him that I’m interested in joining. He is happy to bring me onboard and 2,5 hours later after jumping to their offices and back, I dock at the station and deliver the crap items. 30m richer I return in triumph to empire. And then I get another idea, I look up that scammer again, and what do I find he has made 6 more contracts to the same station. Quickly I pick them all up and do them in 30m. As now all the Reds in those systems are blue to me because I just joined their alliance.
Last laugh is on me!….. I never saw that scammer making any contracts to that station again haha
This is just one of the reasons EVE RULES….
You really have a hard time to be able to play games, aren't you.
I mean as with Chronicles of Spellborn, alot of those games that you have previously linked in your quotes one way or another have had something, according to you definitons/argumentations and sometimes actually did have anything, to do with RMT
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
OH HAI GUYZ! WUTZ GOIN ON IN HURZ?!?!
I'll tell you what, the amount of extreme hatred vs the amount of extreme fanboism is all the proof I need that EvE is a good game. If it wasn't it wouldn't stir up so much craziness.
Add in the fact that, besides from the monster that is WoW, EvE is the only other MMO as old as it is that is still increasing in subscriptions. Sure, some of those are second/third accounts but so what? Sounds like a winning business model to me.
Just my two cents, let the flames continue!
gl hf
Eww..this thread needed to be locked, not moved... :-/
hmm
most of the people who post in the eve forum here, don't like eve....
One question: Why waste your time here?
addendum:
second question: why post in this thread? I mean if you made a thread " eve sucks because..."; then whatever discussion is good
but in this thread it makes no sense.
this thread was in one of the general forums and was only moved to the eve forum after about 10 pages of vitriol.
Eve is awesome as long as you don't have the attention span of a gnat and you know how to find things to do even if it doesn't include Elves with giant question marks over their heads.
Please... All the people with ADD and the need for a big spoon to feed you... keep playing your cartoons.
I will continue to enjoy a thinking man's game with limitless possibilities.
Thanks.
You can not go 22 jumps in ten minutes.
Avid Eve player...
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Not sure how much experience you have PvPing in EvE but you'd be amazed what a few assault frigates can do to a battleship.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
Sorry but the game is based on player skill (not SP),you fail,now ride back to WoW on your fail horse.
it's based on players SKILLS that you spent points into. Not player skill, for the action is more of an RTS then anything. Which basically means if you have not been in the game for ages, you pretty much fail against people who have, and they make up the majority of this community.
and ffs a WoW comment? get real.
Eve is a life sucking whore..
not to say it is not a heck of alot of fun under the right circumstances.
I was lucky and got in with a good crew who taught me how to really play out in 0.0
but it will suck up huge amounts of your life if you get hooked.
played:WoW and Eve off and on 5 years
Tried:CoH/V, PoTBS, War, TR, STO, FE
TOR is likely to rock
You were directed to WoW because that is what you think EVE is. If you think that character age matters in EVE, you better stop making such clueless statements and/or go playing game that is familiar to you.
Character skills are secondary in PVP and on the contrary, the game allows you to 'catch up' faster then in any other game.
Great game at a great price.
Don't listen to the rabid haters try it out.
For that price you can't go wrong.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
Sorry but the game is based on player skill (not SP),you fail,now ride back to WoW on your fail horse.
it's based on players SKILLS that you spent points into. Not player skill, for the action is more of an RTS then anything. Which basically means if you have not been in the game for ages, you pretty much fail against people who have, and they make up the majority of this community.
and ffs a WoW comment? get real.
a thrasher will beat a wolf, the wolf costs 10 times as much and needs 10 times the skillpoints.
lose the WoW mindset.
I havnt read the whole thread but so someone may have said this:
People who are complaining about "long travel times" in this game havnt played it much or at all IMO. Its been my experience that most people stay within 10 jumps of their home area and pretty rarely travel far. Usually far travel happens when you need to go to a trade hub and if you are playing smart that shouldnt be very often. The other time we do alot fo traveling is when we are flying around in a PvP roaming fleet/gang and that isnt boring at all.
EvE is hard to learn so I understand how people can have misconceptions but they are in fact misconceptions.
Eve's complexity lies in its ship builds, PvP tactics, economy, industry, politics and other facets such as these. But even you example about "bigger guns" isnt correct. Ive been killed by smaller ships a number of times. Especially in small fleet combat, player-skill makes a huge difference. Ive seen single ships completely ellude 5-7 ship fleets and pick off ships one at a time.
And trust me, the player base is MUCH beter in EVE than most other MMORPGs out there. This is comming from someone who really likes WoW and thinks it is the best PvE game ever. But the level of sophistication and maturity in EvE players is way beyond the average in WoW.
As far as being boring, that is subjective but I have to say I have never been bored in EVE. Its has fascinated me every moment Ive played. Ive gotten really really really frustrated, but never bored. The most intense gaming moments of my life have been in EVE PvP. Getting killed or killing has significant consequences.
Ive noticed alot of people are making their opinions about EVE and have clearly only missioned in the game. I mission something and enjoy it, but the real fun of EVE IMO is when you are competing against other players (and not just PvE combat). That said, there are litterally thousands of carebear corps that do nothing but mission and mine so onviously there is a type of player that really enjoys that aspect.
Lastly I have to say that EvE is more like a simulation than a game. It really feels like a living, breathing world.
Well, whatever man. It's still a mmo and you don't need too much brainpower to play them. Get the biggest and best boot out there and you can kick arse with the best of them. It's as easy as that.
All the ingame politics doesn't make the game complicated. Some of the best pvp politics I've ever witnessed was in Anarchy Online pre-sl and pvp there is simple. Twinking for pvp is a little worse but basic math skills would get you through that.
Ship builds complicated?? Lol, google eve ship builds/loadout/fitting and presto, there you go.
Pvp tactics? Right, get somewhat competent players behind the wheel and ventrillo going and they would be quite hard to take down. That goes for any mmo that got pvp in it. It's not complicated at all. Ever heard of premades? Yes they existed before WoW and you where mincemeat if you got in their way for the most part.
The economy part is the only part in Eve which is kinda complicated but it's still economy lite.
Funny you should mention the player base. Snot-nosed elitist is my experience with them. They are full of themselfes, looking at themselfes like the only smart players out there, who play the only mmo worth playing. Pvp games tend to attract those kinda people, just look at Darkfall.
I'll stop now before I go completely hater on this game. It just off me the wrong way when people want to sell this game, or any game for that matter, as something it isn't. Besides I like to argue with the Eve nuts. Their world view is quite skewed at times. I get they love the game, but it blows for alot of other people. Just the way things work.
Edit:Why was this thread moved? It doesn't belong in the Eve forums as little as a thread inviting players to other games belong in this forum. I guess all the flames took their toll on some people. Oh well, getting ready to get edited/deleted or/and banned for this. Won't be the first time.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
Can you name a reasonably popular MMO that is more complex so I can have a better time considering your opinion as valid in its own way? I like to give people coming off as arrogant the benefit of the doubt.
"Well, whatever man. It's still a mmo and you don't need too much brainpower to play them. Get the biggest and best boot out there and you can kick arse with the best of them. It's as easy as that."
Actually it isnt as simple as that. If you think that, you havnt done much PvP with or against skilled players.
>>>>All the ingame politics doesn't make the game complicated.
Perhaps you are a master politician and what is hard and deep for the rest of us is easy for yoy?
>>>Ship builds complicated?? Lol, google eve ship builds/loadout/fitting and presto, there you go.
Um, is that how you choose all your fittings? I look at what other people have done for ideas but there are thousands of permutations and there is no "best" build. Maybe you dont see the depth here because you just copies other people's fits and never really expored it? It seems pretty obvious that is the case.
>>>Pvp tactics? Right, get somewhat competent players behind the wheel and ventrillo going and they would be quite hard to take down. That goes for any mmo that got pvp in it. It's not complicated at all. Ever heard of premades? Yes they existed before WoW and you where mincemeat if you got in their way for the most part.
Ok, now I cant even take you seriously. Im suspecting you havnt even PvPed in EVE and just read about it. Skilled PvP fleets complelty destroy unskilled ones.
>>>The economy part is the only part in Eve which is kinda complicated but it's still economy lite.
Compared to what? The real world? Well yeah, Im not sure Id want to play a game that was as complciated as the real world.
>>> Snot-nosed elitist is my experience with them. They are full of themselfes, looking at themselfes like the only smart players out there, who play the only mmo worth playing. Pvp games tend to attract those kinda people, just look at Darkfall.
Yeah there are some elitiest people in EVE. There are also alot of really down to earth people. In both cases Ive found them to be pretty smart. Much smarter than those than I encountered in WOW or EQ or such games. (And I really like/liked those games) Most of all Ive found the players in EVE to be the most generous and helping and Ive played pretty much every MMO except SWG.
>>>Besides I like to argue with the Eve nuts. Their world view is quite skewed at times. I get they love the game, but it blows for alot of other people. Just the way things work.
What tends to get EVE players worked up is misrepresentation. Sorry if this sounds elitist but you simply are misinformed about alot of things you are saying. Some things are a matter of opinion but alot of the things you are saying arent.
You dont like the game. Thats fine. There are alot of games I know to be good but just arent my cup of tea. But I can promise you that you dont have the smallest understanding of how EVE really works. But even if you did, I can tell you that this isnt a game for you. The fact that you think that having the biggest ship is best or just copying fits from the the internet is the way to go is proof that you dont want a game that requires alot of problem solving. Im not saying this as an insult.
You people are incredible. Well, screw it. I'm done arguing with you eve folks. This can't end well nomatter how it goes. Signing off this thread, as usual when I get into argument with Eve people. Hell, even Zorndorf is more sensible.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
The fact of the matter is this was an EVE Online related thread about bringing in new players, and you were in here starting things. To each his own opinion, sure. But if you're going to voice it, then be prepared to get into a discussion about it in the discussion forums that we post on. Don't lay blame on EVE Online players who apparently have world views that are quite skewed at times for causing a ruckus.
Besides, your point was weak. You don't take away from the complexity of a game by googling walk-throughs and how-to's.