I've got a couple of points to make on this issue: 1) A question to a player about his or her real life has nothing to do with the game. Therefore, it isn't a question that need be answered at all, let alone truthfully. 2) Answering questions truthfully or falsely about gender leads to the same result: more invasive questions, more prying, and more lies. 3) In this day and age, whether one answers truthfully or falsely doesn't change the fact that there are sick people out there who can and will try to make your life miserable if they feel slighted. 4) Voice filters seem to me to be begging for trouble, because if someone is prying enough to try and figure out your real gender, chances are, they won't stop with just the voice. Frankly, anyone who would ask "ru a gurl IRL?" won't be convinced unless they can verify your sex in some cheap hotel. 5) Don't ask, don't tell is the military's policy, and I think it is a good policy in MMOs. Don't ask about the person behind the character, and don't offer personal information to strangers online. 6) Frankly, I have yet to hear a convincing case that it is necessary and proper to know another player's gender. So therefore, I don't see why asking someone about their gender is an appropriate thing to ask.
This is all from the point of view of guy tries to hit on possible girl in MMO. Most girls I know, dont really act all gigly and huggingly in MMO's. I rarely experience them being asked if they are a girl in rl out of the blue ingame.
There is also the other way around. Where a girly acting 'girl' flirts with guy in a MMO. This is usually what makes me suspicious. And it raises questions. In guilds Ive experienced quite the drama about these situations. And in several occasions that 'girl' came up with the old 'rp' excuse about why he lied that he claimed to be a girl. Always gets kicked
This meaning my post? Or your response?
By the same token, if any player out there makes any claim about his or her real life in the game, that is also inappropriate. In short, we shouldn't be asking players about their lives or saying things about our lives.
Is there a character that's acting all flirty for no real good reason? If so, that's bad roleplay. And bad roleplay for me is just about as bad as inappropriate questions.
What I meant was, that sometimes a player's behaviour can lead to questions that have nothing to do with the game. Its not always just someone who is prying for information.
Voice filters would work very well (for the wrong reason) for my example.
The underlined part just doesnt make sense. Loads of guilds meet outside the game on forums or even in rl guildmeetings. This also automatically leads to chatting about rl ingame. Or just because ppl get along well ingame, they can suddenly start to chat about something that has nothing to do with the game. Your comment there is really odd. There is really no need to seperate game and rl in such a rigid way.
How is my comment odd? If anything, my comment is what we teach our children when they play these games, and what most sensible people do when playing online with strangers. Think of all the drama that can be prevented if people would just decide to keep game stuff in game, and life stuff in life.
I mean, it isn't necessary for anyone to know anything about a stranger's personal life to play these games, and it isn't necessary for anyone to reveal one's personal life to play these games. People go beyond it, but when they do, they are going beyond what the game can offer or correct. That's why it's best to not ask anything about anyone, not tell anyone about anything, and leave it at that.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I have no interest in limiting people on making toons male or female only when asked a question by another player to anwser with the truth you implied that i had a problem with the entire thing I dont
I have gender issues. I wish I was a female in real life, while my girlfriend wishes the opposite. I roleplay female characters, if only to add some feminism into the whole "hawt elf chixxx" shtick. That's the answer I would give, if asked straight. Happy now?
However, going by your extreme defensiveness on the subject, we have the right to assume, that you are actually a male, pretending to be female online and trying some reverse psychology on us, since, you know, if you really were a female, you would have nothing to prove and nothing to worry about.
I hate WoW because it made my plush hamster kill himself, created twin clones of Hitler, punched Superboy Prime in reality, stared my dog down, spoiled my grandmother, assimilated me into the Borg, then made me into a real boy, just to make me a woman again.
Well 21 pages later and I suddenly remembered why I solo so much.
As a male most of my toons in COX were female purely as an aesthetic choice, no not lust I just preferred their look. I can't see the problem but then I am almost grown up however I had some creepy experiences with presumably straight, young men who just creeped me out with their idea of playing.
Seriously to all those people that want to perv at other playersbecause of how their toon/character looks - go get a real girfriend for heaven's sake and remember that the character you are perving at may be plaed by someone so young, not in my case, that you'd end up on a sex offenders register for grooming!?
refuse to watch male ass all through play session, prefer female ass since im a straight man loving nice female, sexy women's charm. love anything that is feminine even in pixel. in soul calibur 4 all my edit-characters and clothing are all sexy and revealing and thats cause the game clothing , art and characters is 100% sexy/sexual itself but thats just the way i like it. its my game. sexual thrill baby!
oh and pervettes will say deeply prefer sticking eyes on males ass all through play session. however sticking eyes on female ass will do too!
age 12-20 and 40 bag of douches will say:
despise male playing female characters cause it make me confuse and cause i thought every female character is really female and i like to hit on them.. i hate it when they told me they are male cause ive been hitting on them all that time and giving them special treatment and gave them alot of free stuff. im still a virgin and dont go outside much. i am demanding male to not play female character. if i have my own game i'll ban males that play female characters
age 24-69 and open-minded mature will say:
i play every gender. sometimes i play a male character cause i see it as me... i am the character. the character portray me. i am tough looking and barbaric with cut up muscle. sometimes i play a female character just for the heck of it... no sexual involve but just play them, do you have a problem?
So your saying its Okay to lie as long as its on a game? Its okay to lie aslong as there is a computer involved? It is a game but that is a RL question and these are REAL people you are talking to not fake toons with no-1 behind the toon Lieing is lieing no matter who you are doing it too...
Teaching someone it is okay to lie even on the computer is bad.... and why lie when you can just aviod the question? or reply with "This is RP I dont want to talk about RL" what drives someone to lie about it?? You have yet to anwser my question Why lie?
Why Lie? I teach my kids to lie on the internet! I tell them to never tell their real names, never tell where they really live. I teach my kids to make up an entirely different person while they are on the net. Because you donno what kinda pervs are around. If you feel safe giving out your info to some complete stranger on the net...that is your own stupidity.
Originally posted by Nefiti Seriously to all those people that want to perv at other players because of how their toon/character looks - go get a real girfriend for heaven's sake
My gf and I play together. We both play female characters. It's so hot! :P
Originally posted by Nefiti and remember that the character you are perving at may be plaed by someone so young, not in my case, that you'd end up on a sex offenders register for grooming!?
1) thought we were talking about looking at our own characters. I know how old I am, and pretty sure I'd be old enough to be 'perving' at myself, except that 2) you seem to be confusing liking the look of a character with liking the person who plays it...
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
On a related note, I was playing earlier, when there was talk in general chat about a GM going about GM business nearby. Apparently, they were using a female character, so people referred to the GM as "she" - it was funny how some felt the need to point out that it probably wasn't really a she, though. I think people just say "she" because the character was a she, and beyond that, who cares?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Because I dont like liars, there is no point in lying to anyone game or not.... And I dont get pissed because people lie I get pissed because i get viewed as a liar because they lie if it dident effect me i could care less but it is directly effecting me and i care because I do make real connections with my Friends online and offline they are friends i have most of WoW guilds numbers and i Txt them.... because they are my friends online and offline I dont just use them to progress in a game I play the game is what made me meet them just because we met in a game doesent make them anyless a person that i can be friends with
Hey, I totally understand where you're coming from.. and the frustration you must be feeling because no one is getting the point.
I don't like liars either. And I certainly don't like being called a liar just because others before me lied about the same things we may be dealing with at the moment.
Why someone would lie about their RL gender is beyond me.
I play female toons a lot. I would certainly never try to pass off that I am female in RL. In many games, i think it's terribly cute to have this girl swinging a huge polearm and kick the crap out of people. It isn't sexual in any way either.. I often model my toons after my daughters and think it's incredibly cute when they advance and do really well.
A funny thing is, my oldest daughter actually prefers playing male characters - usually gnome-like characters. She thinks they are "cute". The funny thing about that is, her mom (my ex-wife) used to be the same way - before my daughter was even born.
Many people seem to think that playing a female toon is some kind of sick sexual thing.. or even a RL crossdressing fantasy. I say BS. There are many reasons that one may do that.. it doesn't have to be obscene.
Anyway.. Just wanted to say that I understand the point you're really trying to get across to people. Don't feel bad if people don't get it (whether its pride or a simple lack of understanding).
I think a lot of the hostility comes from the knowledge that many people play female toons to get free stuff. And dont play ignorant, you all know what Im talking about. Some will say if you fall for that you deserve to be taken advantage of. I disagree. The fact that someone is foolish enough to be defrauded (and that is what it is, a fraud) does not excuse the fraud.
I can see both sides of this. I do not think voice changers should be used for general gaming. Instead, have a strictly RP sever that has voice changers so that everyone playing knows if your on that server that is the case. That way, it is expected, and if I want to go on a server and sound like Darth Vader and say " Luke I am your father." or sound like schwarzenegger and say, " I'll be back." I can because that is something I could never do for real.
Have regular voice chat on the other servers. I can see how gender does matter from a female perspective. To have a guy pretend to be a girl and "invade" our inner circles is not only intrusive, it is insulting. Girls ARE different than guys. We tell each other everything. We talk about things with each each other we never would with men and men should not be coming in to spy on us!
Men are not allowed in womens restrooms, and they should not be allowed in our " girl" talk. They can go have their own conversations with the boys, and allow us our space as well. Men should not be disguising themselvesas females to sneak up on us. Men should not be disguising themselves as women to give us a bad reputation by fondling their pixels, scamming sad lonely men, or to " trick" someone. No, That is just not right. I think not only should voice chat be implemented in regular gaming, but cams as well.
My guild used cam or in person interviews for recruits only. This was a good practice because you can really determine their personality and get to know a person prior to allowing their character into the guild.
I can see both sides of this. I do not think voice changers should be used for general gaming. Instead, have a strictly RP sever that has voice changers so that everyone playing knows if your on that server that is the case. That way, it is expected, and if I want to go on a server and sound like Darth Vader and say " Luke I am your father." or sound like schwarzenegger and say, " I'll be back." I can because that is something I could never do for real. Have regular voice chat on the other servers. I can see how gender does matter from a female perspective. To have a guy pretend to be a girl and "invade" our inner circles is not only intrusive, it is insulting. Girls ARE different than guys. We tell each other everything. We talk about things with each each other we never would with men and men should not be coming in to spy on us! Men are not allowed in womens restrooms, and they should not be allowed in our " girl" talk. They can go have their own conversations with the boys, and allow us our space as well. Men should not be disguising themselvesas females to sneak up on us. Men should not be disguising themselves as women to give us a bad reputation by fondling their pixels, scamming sad lonely men, or to " trick" someone. No, That is just not right. I think not only should voice chat be implemented in regular gaming, but cams as well. My guild used cam or in person interviews for recruits only. This was a good practice because you can really determine their personality and get to know a person prior to allowing their character into the guild.
Really? Honestly? As I've stated here, I'm a 30 year old married male who has never played a female character.
I don't care at all if some guy wants to impersonate a woman in guild chat. I treat men and women the same in MMOs, as I think it should be.
As for you saying men should not be allowed to "trick" someone - I agree. Neither should women. But sad, lonely people seem to always find a way to be tricked and manipulated in this life, one way or another. Might as well be online where minimal damage can be done...
(That was tongue in cheek for those who don't get my sense of humor.)
I think a lot of the hostility comes from the knowledge that many people play female toons to get free stuff. And dont play ignorant, you all know what Im talking about. Some will say if you fall for that you deserve to be taken advantage of. I disagree. The fact that someone is foolish enough to be defrauded (and that is what it is, a fraud) does not excuse the fraud.
Oh, I don't know. It might people to stop treating others on things like their gender in an MMO. I know my wife would appreciate having a "male" voice filter so she stops getting unwanted flirtation. Let everyone always wonder who that person really is behind the screen... or insist on webcam gaming for yourself because obviously, you are using your MMO as a dating site, which is kind of sad.
I tried rolling a female toon once... Once. Then I realized what Ive done the moment I came into contact with another player. It takes more than proclaiming youre straight and wanting to look at female avatar ass all day, theres more to it than that, at least in mmo's not really single player games but it actually takes a willingness to put up with people treating you like the opposite sex. That was a deal breaker for me.
So I've come to the conclusion that anyone playing the opposite sex wants just that, to be treated like so. But im not playing into their little games, I just treat everyone as sexless or assumed guy. Sorry girls. And guys posing as girls, youre not getting any flowers.
I personally think it's a great idea, allows for more roleplaying & may even have the added benefit of providing younger players with a little "defense" versus unsavoury predatory types, though as a parent I'd disable any kind of voice chat in a game for my children till I deemed them old enough to responsibly handle the kind of shit-talk in most MMO's.
If it really bothers you so much that you don't want to be viewed as a liar in a game then in my opinion you are being far too anal-retentive & sensitive about what others think of you, what matters the most is what you think of yourself but that is a lesson few learn early enough.
Getting all bent out of shape over lying in a videogame is laughable, people lie all the damn time in real life, do you use a push-up bra? you are a liar if you do, same goes for telling that hot girl you are an advertising exec when you really are just a college drop out with a job at a sandwich bar.....everyone lies, all the time, & often not even realising they are being dishonest, what you need to ask yourself is why someone's gender even matters to you, you either like their personality or you don't, gender doesn't matter if you want friendship only if you are looking for sex/reproduction/life partnerships.
I've made a lot of friends via online gaming, male & female & I even met my current girlfriend via an online MMO, but I was never looking for it, you either like the person, are indifferent, or you don't like them, their gender is immaterial, their age is immaterial, their race is immaterial, their honesty - regarding their real lives, is immaterial until you want to engage with them in real life, for whatever purpose.
For me the wonder of meeting people in real life I hadn't known in any capacity other than in the game was a real eye opener, & not just to how many different kinds of people play MMO's, it opened my eyes to myself & my own prejudices, many of the people I met were from races or nationalities which I had aversions to, the game had allowed me to form friendships in spite of my biases & allowed me to see them as the people they were, their personalities, without my pre-dispositions getting in the way or clouding my judgement, and I am far more open minded & tolerant as a result.
Before asking a question of someone, examine your motivations for asking it first.
I think a lot of the hostility comes from the knowledge that many people play female toons to get free stuff. And dont play ignorant, you all know what Im talking about. Some will say if you fall for that you deserve to be taken advantage of. I disagree. The fact that someone is foolish enough to be defrauded (and that is what it is, a fraud) does not excuse the fraud.
Oh, I don't know. It might people to stop treating others on things like their gender in an MMO. I know my wife would appreciate having a "male" voice filter so she stops getting unwanted flirtation. Let everyone always wonder who that person really is behind the screen... or insist on webcam gaming for yourself because obviously, you are using your MMO as a dating site, which is kind of sad.
I have no idea where you got that from what I wrote. Maybe you need some help?
paranoid of being victim to male pretending to be real female to get free stuff
age 12-20
male pretend to be female just to get free stuff and sell out own gender while having a blast of doing it cause they still immature
age 24-69
male pretending to be female was never in sight of idea. never despise male playing female character. open minded. never assume female character is a female in reality. never flirt with every female character they see out of the blue.
I can see both sides of this. I do not think voice changers should be used for general gaming. Instead, have a strictly RP sever that has voice changers so that everyone playing knows if your on that server that is the case. That way, it is expected, and if I want to go on a server and sound like Darth Vader and say " Luke I am your father." or sound like schwarzenegger and say, " I'll be back." I can because that is something I could never do for real. Have regular voice chat on the other servers. I can see how gender does matter from a female perspective. To have a guy pretend to be a girl and "invade" our inner circles is not only intrusive, it is insulting. Girls ARE different than guys. We tell each other everything. We talk about things with each each other we never would with men and men should not be coming in to spy on us! Men are not allowed in womens restrooms, and they should not be allowed in our " girl" talk. They can go have their own conversations with the boys, and allow us our space as well. Men should not be disguising themselvesas females to sneak up on us. Men should not be disguising themselves as women to give us a bad reputation by fondling their pixels, scamming sad lonely men, or to " trick" someone. No, That is just not right. I think not only should voice chat be implemented in regular gaming, but cams as well. My guild used cam or in person interviews for recruits only. This was a good practice because you can really determine their personality and get to know a person prior to allowing their character into the guild.
Really? Honestly? As I've stated here, I'm a 30 year old married male who has never played a female character.
I don't care at all if some guy wants to impersonate a woman in guild chat. I treat men and women the same in MMOs, as I think it should be.
As for you saying men should not be allowed to "trick" someone - I agree. Neither should women. But sad, lonely people seem to always find a way to be tricked and manipulated in this life, one way or another. Might as well be online where minimal damage can be done...
(That was tongue in cheek for those who don't get my sense of humor.)
Really what? What exactly are you addressing?
You just proved my point that Men are different than women. Men do not care if the person they are talking to is a male or female, but alot of women do. Women talk to women different than they do men. Women usually have their guard up around men, and discuss more personal issues among women. To have a man try to impersonate us and breach the "gender barrier" by thinking they have a right to be included in conversations they know nothing about is just messed up. When men know what it is like to have a period, have their feet hurting from dancing in heels all night, and break out into hives from a Mary Kay makeover party they can then be invited to join our conversations, but as themselves, not as a female impersonater.
When men know what it is like to have a period, I once was so bloated and constipated that when I finally took a dump my ass felt as big as the Brooklyn Tunnel. So not only do i know what a period feels like, I have also experienced birth. have their feet hurting from dancing in heels all night, Try wearing cowboy boots as a main piece of footwear, one night in heels ain't shit. and break out into hives from a Mary Kay makeover party I once used my ( now ex) wife's Nair on my face to attempt to get out of having to shave. they can then be invited to join our conversations, but as themselves, not as a female impersonater. I'd make an ugly woman, so thanks for the invitation, you won't regret it.
I think a lot of the hostility comes from the knowledge that many people play female toons to get free stuff. And dont play ignorant, you all know what Im talking about. Some will say if you fall for that you deserve to be taken advantage of. I disagree. The fact that someone is foolish enough to be defrauded (and that is what it is, a fraud) does not excuse the fraud.
Oh, I don't know. It might people to stop treating others on things like their gender in an MMO. I know my wife would appreciate having a "male" voice filter so she stops getting unwanted flirtation. Let everyone always wonder who that person really is behind the screen... or insist on webcam gaming for yourself because obviously, you are using your MMO as a dating site, which is kind of sad.
I have no idea where you got that from what I wrote. Maybe you need some help?
That seemed pretty clear to me. If you can't follow the logical progression of thought there, I can't really help you.
I love these forums. State a different opinion or a reason why the defrauded might actually, in fact, deserve it - and you "need help" - ah, internets.
age 12-20 paranoid of being victim to male pretending to be real female to get free stuff
age 12-20 male pretend to be female just to get free stuff and sell out own gender while having a blast of doing it cause they still immature
age 24-69 male pretending to be female was never in sight of idea. never despise male playing female character. open minded. never assume female character is a female in reality. never flirt with every female character they see out of the blue.
This, exactly. The people who care about this issue are image-obsessed young people without mates or significant others who are desperate to use MMO's as a dating service - or they are "real" gamer girls desperate to keep their "special unicorn" status.
It's a matter of maturity. I see almost nobody over the age of 30 who gives two s*its what voice filter you use. I care a lot more if you're intelligent, articulate, and polite - male or female doesn't matter. I have a family already; not looking to meet one while playing Aion.
I can see both sides of this. I do not think voice changers should be used for general gaming. Instead, have a strictly RP sever that has voice changers so that everyone playing knows if your on that server that is the case. That way, it is expected, and if I want to go on a server and sound like Darth Vader and say " Luke I am your father." or sound like schwarzenegger and say, " I'll be back." I can because that is something I could never do for real. Have regular voice chat on the other servers. I can see how gender does matter from a female perspective. To have a guy pretend to be a girl and "invade" our inner circles is not only intrusive, it is insulting. Girls ARE different than guys. We tell each other everything. We talk about things with each each other we never would with men and men should not be coming in to spy on us! Men are not allowed in womens restrooms, and they should not be allowed in our " girl" talk. They can go have their own conversations with the boys, and allow us our space as well. Men should not be disguising themselvesas females to sneak up on us. Men should not be disguising themselves as women to give us a bad reputation by fondling their pixels, scamming sad lonely men, or to " trick" someone. No, That is just not right. I think not only should voice chat be implemented in regular gaming, but cams as well. My guild used cam or in person interviews for recruits only. This was a good practice because you can really determine their personality and get to know a person prior to allowing their character into the guild.
Really? Honestly? As I've stated here, I'm a 30 year old married male who has never played a female character.
I don't care at all if some guy wants to impersonate a woman in guild chat. I treat men and women the same in MMOs, as I think it should be.
As for you saying men should not be allowed to "trick" someone - I agree. Neither should women. But sad, lonely people seem to always find a way to be tricked and manipulated in this life, one way or another. Might as well be online where minimal damage can be done...
(That was tongue in cheek for those who don't get my sense of humor.)
Really what? What exactly are you addressing?
You just proved my point that Men are different than women. Men do not care if the person they are talking to is a male or female, but alot of women do. Women talk to women different than they do men. Women usually have their guard up around men, and discuss more personal issues among women. To have a man try to impersonate us and breach the "gender barrier" by thinking they have a right to be included in conversations they know nothing about is just messed up. When men know what it is like to have a period, have their feet hurting from dancing in heels all night, and break out into hives from a Mary Kay makeover party they can then be invited to join our conversations, but as themselves, not as a female impersonater.
Let me guess - you're really young. When you're over the age of 30 you'll find that men and women don't really keep their "guard up" like that. I have male and female friends I talk to about everything.
So does my wife.
My wife doesn't care if men come in to her "female" conversations. (I actually read this post to her and she just laughed, asking, "How old is the poster of that?")
When you graduate from school, these things matter much less. And really, how many men do you think are making girl characters so they can listen in on girl talk? Do you personally know of any? I sure as Hell don't.
If you're a man who wants to impersonate a woman so you can listen to a woman talk about retaining water, um, buddy, more power to ya... I've never met a guy like that in my life.
I get all sides of this argument. There are those who simply just say there are more important things to worry about in the world. Then there are the others who hate being afraid to reach out and cyber-touch someone because of this. Then there are the girls (I say girls specifically, because this should be no issue with any adult woman) who enjoy all of the fame, attention, and whatnot their 'unicorn' status brings online, and deeply resent 'impostors' horning in on their fun. I think all sides have their merits and no one of them are wrong or right, because they are all just subjective facets of the same diamond.
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This is all from the point of view of guy tries to hit on possible girl in MMO. Most girls I know, dont really act all gigly and huggingly in MMO's. I rarely experience them being asked if they are a girl in rl out of the blue ingame.
There is also the other way around. Where a girly acting 'girl' flirts with guy in a MMO. This is usually what makes me suspicious. And it raises questions. In guilds Ive experienced quite the drama about these situations. And in several occasions that 'girl' came up with the old 'rp' excuse about why he lied that he claimed to be a girl. Always gets kicked
This meaning my post? Or your response?
By the same token, if any player out there makes any claim about his or her real life in the game, that is also inappropriate. In short, we shouldn't be asking players about their lives or saying things about our lives.
Is there a character that's acting all flirty for no real good reason? If so, that's bad roleplay. And bad roleplay for me is just about as bad as inappropriate questions.
What I meant was, that sometimes a player's behaviour can lead to questions that have nothing to do with the game. Its not always just someone who is prying for information.
Voice filters would work very well (for the wrong reason) for my example.
The underlined part just doesnt make sense. Loads of guilds meet outside the game on forums or even in rl guildmeetings. This also automatically leads to chatting about rl ingame. Or just because ppl get along well ingame, they can suddenly start to chat about something that has nothing to do with the game. Your comment there is really odd. There is really no need to seperate game and rl in such a rigid way.
How is my comment odd? If anything, my comment is what we teach our children when they play these games, and what most sensible people do when playing online with strangers. Think of all the drama that can be prevented if people would just decide to keep game stuff in game, and life stuff in life.
I mean, it isn't necessary for anyone to know anything about a stranger's personal life to play these games, and it isn't necessary for anyone to reveal one's personal life to play these games. People go beyond it, but when they do, they are going beyond what the game can offer or correct. That's why it's best to not ask anything about anyone, not tell anyone about anything, and leave it at that.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I have gender issues. I wish I was a female in real life, while my girlfriend wishes the opposite. I roleplay female characters, if only to add some feminism into the whole "hawt elf chixxx" shtick. That's the answer I would give, if asked straight. Happy now?
However, going by your extreme defensiveness on the subject, we have the right to assume, that you are actually a male, pretending to be female online and trying some reverse psychology on us, since, you know, if you really were a female, you would have nothing to prove and nothing to worry about.
I hate WoW because it made my plush hamster kill himself, created twin clones of Hitler, punched Superboy Prime in reality, stared my dog down, spoiled my grandmother, assimilated me into the Borg, then made me into a real boy, just to make me a woman again.
I just assume everyone is a he; until they correct me.
How is this a big deal? if a guy tells me hes a chick thats great for both of us; who cares?
I'm not trying to find a wife when I'm playing games, I don't give two shits what gender they are.
You don't need to know their genre to raid; nor PvP, nor to do anything.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Well 21 pages later and I suddenly remembered why I solo so much.
As a male most of my toons in COX were female purely as an aesthetic choice, no not lust I just preferred their look. I can't see the problem but then I am almost grown up however I had some creepy experiences with presumably straight, young men who just creeped me out with their idea of playing.
Seriously to all those people that want to perv at other playersbecause of how their toon/character looks - go get a real girfriend for heaven's sake and remember that the character you are perving at may be plaed by someone so young, not in my case, that you'd end up on a sex offenders register for grooming!?
perverts will say:
refuse to watch male ass all through play session, prefer female ass since im a straight man loving nice female, sexy women's charm. love anything that is feminine even in pixel. in soul calibur 4 all my edit-characters and clothing are all sexy and revealing and thats cause the game clothing , art and characters is 100% sexy/sexual itself but thats just the way i like it. its my game. sexual thrill baby!
oh and pervettes will say deeply prefer sticking eyes on males ass all through play session. however sticking eyes on female ass will do too!
age 12-20 and 40 bag of douches will say:
despise male playing female characters cause it make me confuse and cause i thought every female character is really female and i like to hit on them.. i hate it when they told me they are male cause ive been hitting on them all that time and giving them special treatment and gave them alot of free stuff. im still a virgin and dont go outside much. i am demanding male to not play female character. if i have my own game i'll ban males that play female characters
age 24-69 and open-minded mature will say:
i play every gender. sometimes i play a male character cause i see it as me... i am the character. the character portray me. i am tough looking and barbaric with cut up muscle. sometimes i play a female character just for the heck of it... no sexual involve but just play them, do you have a problem?
Why Lie? I teach my kids to lie on the internet! I tell them to never tell their real names, never tell where they really live. I teach my kids to make up an entirely different person while they are on the net. Because you donno what kinda pervs are around. If you feel safe giving out your info to some complete stranger on the net...that is your own stupidity.
lol I love all the post and quotes dIdent realy read any of them because im sure they are the same BS but please continue! =P
Lvl 75 Black Mage/White Mage ffxi
Lvl 80 Druid WoW
Lvl 34 Ranger Aion
My gf and I play together. We both play female characters. It's so hot! :P
1) thought we were talking about looking at our own characters. I know how old I am, and pretty sure I'd be old enough to be 'perving' at myself, except that 2) you seem to be confusing liking the look of a character with liking the person who plays it...
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
On a related note, I was playing earlier, when there was talk in general chat about a GM going about GM business nearby. Apparently, they were using a female character, so people referred to the GM as "she" - it was funny how some felt the need to point out that it probably wasn't really a she, though. I think people just say "she" because the character was a she, and beyond that, who cares?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Hey, I totally understand where you're coming from.. and the frustration you must be feeling because no one is getting the point.
I don't like liars either. And I certainly don't like being called a liar just because others before me lied about the same things we may be dealing with at the moment.
Why someone would lie about their RL gender is beyond me.
I play female toons a lot. I would certainly never try to pass off that I am female in RL. In many games, i think it's terribly cute to have this girl swinging a huge polearm and kick the crap out of people. It isn't sexual in any way either.. I often model my toons after my daughters and think it's incredibly cute when they advance and do really well.
A funny thing is, my oldest daughter actually prefers playing male characters - usually gnome-like characters. She thinks they are "cute". The funny thing about that is, her mom (my ex-wife) used to be the same way - before my daughter was even born.
Many people seem to think that playing a female toon is some kind of sick sexual thing.. or even a RL crossdressing fantasy. I say BS. There are many reasons that one may do that.. it doesn't have to be obscene.
Anyway.. Just wanted to say that I understand the point you're really trying to get across to people. Don't feel bad if people don't get it (whether its pride or a simple lack of understanding).
Acidon
I think a lot of the hostility comes from the knowledge that many people play female toons to get free stuff. And dont play ignorant, you all know what Im talking about. Some will say if you fall for that you deserve to be taken advantage of. I disagree. The fact that someone is foolish enough to be defrauded (and that is what it is, a fraud) does not excuse the fraud.
Translation: My ass has been WTFBBQPWNED in this thread, so I'm going to pretend I'm not really interested in other people's comments.
I can see both sides of this. I do not think voice changers should be used for general gaming. Instead, have a strictly RP sever that has voice changers so that everyone playing knows if your on that server that is the case. That way, it is expected, and if I want to go on a server and sound like Darth Vader and say " Luke I am your father." or sound like schwarzenegger and say, " I'll be back." I can because that is something I could never do for real.
Have regular voice chat on the other servers. I can see how gender does matter from a female perspective. To have a guy pretend to be a girl and "invade" our inner circles is not only intrusive, it is insulting. Girls ARE different than guys. We tell each other everything. We talk about things with each each other we never would with men and men should not be coming in to spy on us!
Men are not allowed in womens restrooms, and they should not be allowed in our " girl" talk. They can go have their own conversations with the boys, and allow us our space as well. Men should not be disguising themselvesas females to sneak up on us. Men should not be disguising themselves as women to give us a bad reputation by fondling their pixels, scamming sad lonely men, or to " trick" someone. No, That is just not right. I think not only should voice chat be implemented in regular gaming, but cams as well.
My guild used cam or in person interviews for recruits only. This was a good practice because you can really determine their personality and get to know a person prior to allowing their character into the guild.
Really? Honestly? As I've stated here, I'm a 30 year old married male who has never played a female character.
I don't care at all if some guy wants to impersonate a woman in guild chat. I treat men and women the same in MMOs, as I think it should be.
As for you saying men should not be allowed to "trick" someone - I agree. Neither should women. But sad, lonely people seem to always find a way to be tricked and manipulated in this life, one way or another. Might as well be online where minimal damage can be done...
(That was tongue in cheek for those who don't get my sense of humor.)
Oh, I don't know. It might people to stop treating others on things like their gender in an MMO. I know my wife would appreciate having a "male" voice filter so she stops getting unwanted flirtation. Let everyone always wonder who that person really is behind the screen... or insist on webcam gaming for yourself because obviously, you are using your MMO as a dating site, which is kind of sad.
I tried rolling a female toon once... Once. Then I realized what Ive done the moment I came into contact with another player. It takes more than proclaiming youre straight and wanting to look at female avatar ass all day, theres more to it than that, at least in mmo's not really single player games but it actually takes a willingness to put up with people treating you like the opposite sex. That was a deal breaker for me.
So I've come to the conclusion that anyone playing the opposite sex wants just that, to be treated like so. But im not playing into their little games, I just treat everyone as sexless or assumed guy. Sorry girls. And guys posing as girls, youre not getting any flowers.
I personally think it's a great idea, allows for more roleplaying & may even have the added benefit of providing younger players with a little "defense" versus unsavoury predatory types, though as a parent I'd disable any kind of voice chat in a game for my children till I deemed them old enough to responsibly handle the kind of shit-talk in most MMO's.
If it really bothers you so much that you don't want to be viewed as a liar in a game then in my opinion you are being far too anal-retentive & sensitive about what others think of you, what matters the most is what you think of yourself but that is a lesson few learn early enough.
Getting all bent out of shape over lying in a videogame is laughable, people lie all the damn time in real life, do you use a push-up bra? you are a liar if you do, same goes for telling that hot girl you are an advertising exec when you really are just a college drop out with a job at a sandwich bar.....everyone lies, all the time, & often not even realising they are being dishonest, what you need to ask yourself is why someone's gender even matters to you, you either like their personality or you don't, gender doesn't matter if you want friendship only if you are looking for sex/reproduction/life partnerships.
I've made a lot of friends via online gaming, male & female & I even met my current girlfriend via an online MMO, but I was never looking for it, you either like the person, are indifferent, or you don't like them, their gender is immaterial, their age is immaterial, their race is immaterial, their honesty - regarding their real lives, is immaterial until you want to engage with them in real life, for whatever purpose.
For me the wonder of meeting people in real life I hadn't known in any capacity other than in the game was a real eye opener, & not just to how many different kinds of people play MMO's, it opened my eyes to myself & my own prejudices, many of the people I met were from races or nationalities which I had aversions to, the game had allowed me to form friendships in spite of my biases & allowed me to see them as the people they were, their personalities, without my pre-dispositions getting in the way or clouding my judgement, and I am far more open minded & tolerant as a result.
Before asking a question of someone, examine your motivations for asking it first.
Oh, I don't know. It might people to stop treating others on things like their gender in an MMO. I know my wife would appreciate having a "male" voice filter so she stops getting unwanted flirtation. Let everyone always wonder who that person really is behind the screen... or insist on webcam gaming for yourself because obviously, you are using your MMO as a dating site, which is kind of sad.
I have no idea where you got that from what I wrote. Maybe you need some help?
age 12-20
paranoid of being victim to male pretending to be real female to get free stuff
age 12-20
male pretend to be female just to get free stuff and sell out own gender while having a blast of doing it cause they still immature
age 24-69
male pretending to be female was never in sight of idea. never despise male playing female character. open minded. never assume female character is a female in reality. never flirt with every female character they see out of the blue.
Really? Honestly? As I've stated here, I'm a 30 year old married male who has never played a female character.
I don't care at all if some guy wants to impersonate a woman in guild chat. I treat men and women the same in MMOs, as I think it should be.
As for you saying men should not be allowed to "trick" someone - I agree. Neither should women. But sad, lonely people seem to always find a way to be tricked and manipulated in this life, one way or another. Might as well be online where minimal damage can be done...
(That was tongue in cheek for those who don't get my sense of humor.)
Really what? What exactly are you addressing?
You just proved my point that Men are different than women. Men do not care if the person they are talking to is a male or female, but alot of women do. Women talk to women different than they do men. Women usually have their guard up around men, and discuss more personal issues among women. To have a man try to impersonate us and breach the "gender barrier" by thinking they have a right to be included in conversations they know nothing about is just messed up. When men know what it is like to have a period, have their feet hurting from dancing in heels all night, and break out into hives from a Mary Kay makeover party they can then be invited to join our conversations, but as themselves, not as a female impersonater.
Oh, I don't know. It might people to stop treating others on things like their gender in an MMO. I know my wife would appreciate having a "male" voice filter so she stops getting unwanted flirtation. Let everyone always wonder who that person really is behind the screen... or insist on webcam gaming for yourself because obviously, you are using your MMO as a dating site, which is kind of sad.
I have no idea where you got that from what I wrote. Maybe you need some help?
That seemed pretty clear to me. If you can't follow the logical progression of thought there, I can't really help you.
I love these forums. State a different opinion or a reason why the defrauded might actually, in fact, deserve it - and you "need help" - ah, internets.
This, exactly. The people who care about this issue are image-obsessed young people without mates or significant others who are desperate to use MMO's as a dating service - or they are "real" gamer girls desperate to keep their "special unicorn" status.
It's a matter of maturity. I see almost nobody over the age of 30 who gives two s*its what voice filter you use. I care a lot more if you're intelligent, articulate, and polite - male or female doesn't matter. I have a family already; not looking to meet one while playing Aion.
Really? Honestly? As I've stated here, I'm a 30 year old married male who has never played a female character.
I don't care at all if some guy wants to impersonate a woman in guild chat. I treat men and women the same in MMOs, as I think it should be.
As for you saying men should not be allowed to "trick" someone - I agree. Neither should women. But sad, lonely people seem to always find a way to be tricked and manipulated in this life, one way or another. Might as well be online where minimal damage can be done...
(That was tongue in cheek for those who don't get my sense of humor.)
Really what? What exactly are you addressing?
You just proved my point that Men are different than women. Men do not care if the person they are talking to is a male or female, but alot of women do. Women talk to women different than they do men. Women usually have their guard up around men, and discuss more personal issues among women. To have a man try to impersonate us and breach the "gender barrier" by thinking they have a right to be included in conversations they know nothing about is just messed up. When men know what it is like to have a period, have their feet hurting from dancing in heels all night, and break out into hives from a Mary Kay makeover party they can then be invited to join our conversations, but as themselves, not as a female impersonater.
Let me guess - you're really young. When you're over the age of 30 you'll find that men and women don't really keep their "guard up" like that. I have male and female friends I talk to about everything.
So does my wife.
My wife doesn't care if men come in to her "female" conversations. (I actually read this post to her and she just laughed, asking, "How old is the poster of that?")
When you graduate from school, these things matter much less. And really, how many men do you think are making girl characters so they can listen in on girl talk? Do you personally know of any? I sure as Hell don't.
If you're a man who wants to impersonate a woman so you can listen to a woman talk about retaining water, um, buddy, more power to ya... I've never met a guy like that in my life.
Honestly...I think it all comes down to is....
Who cares?
I get all sides of this argument. There are those who simply just say there are more important things to worry about in the world. Then there are the others who hate being afraid to reach out and cyber-touch someone because of this. Then there are the girls (I say girls specifically, because this should be no issue with any adult woman) who enjoy all of the fame, attention, and whatnot their 'unicorn' status brings online, and deeply resent 'impostors' horning in on their fun. I think all sides have their merits and no one of them are wrong or right, because they are all just subjective facets of the same diamond.
Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.