I don't see why people require amazing AI in bosses. Sorry, not every game is WoW where you require a 3rd grade diploma to be able to not stand in the fire(and 90% of their playerbase still fails at it), the krakken is just meant to be awesome, not some hard pve boss.
That is so funny and true. I remember a wow raid and everyone had to say "dont stand in the fire" when we were going to kill to down the boss (dont remember its name) and what happend...8 hours of failure (2x4 hours). Its funny that something players can fail with such a easy task
Glad to see that dfo is creating new stuff for their player base. Hope for the best.
@Coffee, I still challenge you to link an ingame video of a what you believe to be a cooler boss fight, I'd be interested to compare it to the Kraken vid to see with my own eyes exactly what you mean.
I could do that...it isn't a ZOMG GIANT BOSS, but it was so damn cool to fight it(although I could link a ZOMG GIANT BOSS fight too).
Of course, you'll never agree so what's the point?
The point?
To up your post count by +1.
To show how thick some of you are. Of course it looks cool, but it's not the coolest boss to fight or the coolest boss to look at.
Antharas(L2) looks far cooler, is far harder, uses more abilities than just auto-attack(not too many, but it's a very old game).
And for the hardest boss fight, I'll give that to M'uru pre-nerf(WoW).
@Coffee, I still challenge you to link an ingame video of a what you believe to be a cooler boss fight, I'd be interested to compare it to the Kraken vid to see with my own eyes exactly what you mean.
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
No one saying anything bad dunno what's the fuss the kraken on itself is good but with only auto attack it will get old but if they add some animations/skills that any normal kraken does in any movie it would make it more real.
@Coffee, I still challenge you to link an ingame video of a what you believe to be a cooler boss fight, I'd be interested to compare it to the Kraken vid to see with my own eyes exactly what you mean.
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
Mimiron is a giant "Don't stand in the fire" fight, Maly 6 mins is a gear check and Chess was solo'd multiple times because it's impossible to lose it unless you're retarded.
Oh, and the drake party of maly is another giant "Don't stand in the fire" part, and can you manage hitting two different buttons?
I like large bosses roaming open worlds and such so this really looks like some fun.
On the other hand...there is still space for improvement for the kraken. As large as it is, it shouldn't move that twitchy and quickly. That kind of movement just makes it look like a zoomed up model for a small squid. It needs slow but powerful movements. I mean you don't have giants run around like goblins either, all giddy and stuff. Also the water: there is no splash or waves or foam or anything where the kraken trashes it and moves around and such (or that little that I can barely see it). That makes no sense either and makes it look less threatening. Also it seems to not really interact in any way with the ship. It just follows roughly the position and loops the same animation. It doesn't seem to be able to really hit the ship (I mean it does hit the ship technically since it destroys the ship), but the tentacles and stuff simply go through as if the ship doesn't exist. Maybe you should also be able to destroy the tentacles of the kraken one by one or something, or that it sometimes submerges and then dives back up again a moment later, or anything like that.
The model for the kraken itself looks neat, and the whole idea is good as well. But I guess the rest will be improved later on.
Originally posted by caalem Originally posted by coffee Originally posted by Agricola1@Coffee, I still challenge you to link an ingame video of a what you believe to be a cooler boss fight, I'd be interested to compare it to the Kraken vid to see with my own eyes exactly what you mean.
Mimiron is a giant "Don't stand in the fire" fight, Maly 6 mins is a gear check and Chess was solo'd multiple times because it's impossible to lose it unless you're retarded.
So if you're looking for "incredibly hard to kill", you should check out Mimiron on hard-mode setting before it was nerfed severely. That was incredibly hard to execute and a very rewarding fight. As for "uber cool" bosses, I don't think anyone could disagree that the whole Mimiron encounter is very "cool" either.
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I still challenge you to link an ingame video of a what you believe to be a cooler boss fight, I'd be interested to compare it to the Kraken vid to see with my own eyes exactly what you mean.
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
Mimiron is a giant "Don't stand in the fire" fight, Maly 6 mins is a gear check and Chess was solo'd multiple times because it's impossible to lose it unless you're retarded.
So if you're looking for "incredibly hard to kill", you should check out Mimiron on hard-mode setting before it was nerfed severely. That was incredibly hard to execute and a very rewarding fight. As for "uber cool" bosses, I don't think anyone could disagree that the whole Mimiron encounter is very "cool" either.
He was never hard, the difficult part of bosses in WoW is finding 24 other non-retarded people to kill it with. Usually the most you can find is 10-15, then the rest of your raid are coattail raiders that wreck everything.
I still challenge you to link an ingame video of a what you believe to be a cooler boss fight, I'd be interested to compare it to the Kraken vid to see with my own eyes exactly what you mean.
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
Mimiron is a giant "Don't stand in the fire" fight, Maly 6 mins is a gear check and Chess was solo'd multiple times because it's impossible to lose it unless you're retarded.
So if you're looking for "incredibly hard to kill", you should check out Mimiron on hard-mode setting before it was nerfed severely. That was incredibly hard to execute and a very rewarding fight. As for "uber cool" bosses, I don't think anyone could disagree that the whole Mimiron encounter is very "cool" either.
He was never hard, the difficult part of bosses in WoW is finding 24 other non-retarded people to kill it with. Usually the most you can find is 10-15, then the rest of your raid are coattail raiders that wreck everything.
Yeah, and when the top-guilds of the world wiped on M'uru/KJ and Yogg Saron 25 with 0 keepers for weeks before they barely killed them with 15 people left they were retarded as well, right?
@Coffee, I still challenge you to link an ingame video of a what you believe to be a cooler boss fight, I'd be interested to compare it to the Kraken vid to see with my own eyes exactly what you mean.
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
Mimiron is a giant "Don't stand in the fire" fight, Maly 6 mins is a gear check and Chess was solo'd multiple times because it's impossible to lose it unless you're retarded.
Oh, and the drake party of maly is another giant "Don't stand in the fire" part, and can you manage hitting two different buttons?
@Coffee, I still challenge you to link an ingame video of a what you believe to be a cooler boss fight, I'd be interested to compare it to the Kraken vid to see with my own eyes exactly what you mean.
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
First vid had nice graphics, the boss looked good but that's about all (in my opinion). My first problem is the sound track put over the game so that I can't hear the plays or ingame sound. Most of all the boss seems pretty much stationary like he's sitting their waiting for you to kill him and there's no collision detection. Not sure about tactics as I don't play WoW but I'd guess a standard Tank/DPS/Healers setup?
Second vid, bit low quality but I'll assume the graphics were the same as the last and pretty nice. Same gripe about sound, want to hear what's happening instead of listen to heavy metal. Boss was a bit uninspiring (in my opinion) and it looked like a bunch of school boys playing football (10 guys in a bunch chasing the ball around the pitch). Seemed the players were as scripted as the NPC (kind of boring for myself), but if you like that sort of thing then fine.
Third vid, same with the graphics and vid soundtrack. Looked a bit like harry potter online to me but that's my opinion.
Those vids seemed fine if that is the kind of combat you're into where you like to have a carefully co ordinated group that's almost running on a script itself to defeat the boss. The bosses themselves seemed a little lacklustre (to me) since they didn't really seem move much or seem really that animated. The first one was more animated but that seemed to be running more like a single player game than an MMORPG.
You're right of course I don't prefer them, but that's because I prefer the type of gameplay DFO offers. It's more manic and there's no script you need to follow to beat bosses. Having said that I'm not saying WoW is shit, it looked nice and no doubt the sound was good, just the gameplay is not my thing. I'm sick of Tank/DPS/healer setups and button mashers and DFO offers me something else. I still think the Kraken is better but mainly due to features in DFO like open world with no instances ect.
Thanks for the vids anyway.
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@Coffee, I still challenge you to link an ingame video of a what you believe to be a cooler boss fight, I'd be interested to compare it to the Kraken vid to see with my own eyes exactly what you mean.
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
First vid had nice graphics, the boss looked good but that's about all (in my opinion). My first problem is the sound track put over the game so that I can't hear the plays or ingame sound. Most of all the boss seems pretty much stationary like he's sitting their waiting for you to kill him and there's no collision detection. Not sure about tactics as I don't play WoW but I'd guess a standard Tank/DPS/Healers setup?
Second vid, bit low quality but I'll assume the graphics were the same as the last and pretty nice. Same gripe about sound, want to hear what's happening instead of listen to heavy metal. Boss was a bit uninspiring (in my opinion) and it looked like a bunch of school boys playing football (10 guys in a bunch chasing the ball around the pitch). Seemed the players were as scripted as the NPC (kind of boring for myself), but if you like that sort of thing then fine.
Third vid, same with the graphics and vid soundtrack. Looked a bit like harry potter online to me but that's my opinion.
Those vids seemed fine if that is the kind of combat you're into where you like to have a carefully co ordinated group that's almost running on a script itself to defeat the boss. The bosses themselves seemed a little lacklustre (to me) since they didn't really seem move much or seem really that animated. The first one was more animated but that seemed to be running more like a single player game than an MMORPG.
You're right of course I don't prefer them, but that's because I prefer the type of gameplay DFO offers. It's more manic and there's no script you need to follow to beat bosses. Having said that I'm not saying WoW is shit, it looked nice and no doubt the sound was good, just the gameplay is not my thing. I'm sick of Tank/DPS/healer setups and button mashers and DFO offers me something else. I still think the Kraken is better but mainly due to features in DFO like open world with no instances ect.
Thanks for the vids anyway.
What I was trying to show was that the DFO krakken is a basic fight, you dont need to corrdinate your team, just spam a range attack and its a numbers game, bring 5 people and its hard/impossible bring 500 people and its easy.
Where as WoW (and other mmos) cap the number of players you can bring, require team work and corrdination and the boss fights are far far less basic, the first video showed 3 mini bosses that in the end transformed in 1 big boss.
These are abilities that boss has
Napalm Shell
Plasma Blast
Proximity Mine
Shock Blast
Heat Wave
Rapid Burst
Rocket Strike
Spinning Up
P3Wx2 Laser Barrage
Plasma Ball
Summon Magnetic Core
Magnetic Field
Bomb Bot
And you have to look for these abilities and change/move/counter when it happens.
With the karkken it has no abilites but an clumsy auto attack, its stand on ship and fire a range attack.. thats it.. it appears to move faster then the ship so moving the ship has no effect.
So for me EPIC means a fight where I have to use my brain and work as a team not spam a range attack.
Again this is not a snipe at DFO.. just this boss encounter that is find basic and meh.
I know what you're saying and it looked that way, but remember this is the first day this boss was in the world. Give it a month to see if someone develops any strategy to taking it down (if possible). Maybe it is just a case of bringing enough firepower to bare upon it? Though that would be the case for any boss I suppose? I don't know and no one does save Aventurine, but this is an open world fight that can happen at anytime involving player owned ships with cannons mounted and manned individually by players. I think that's where the cool factor comes from for me.
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Imo, all WoW bosses feel lame since there is no collision detection in that game at all. It's like fightning holograms. DF has collisions which makes alot of difference to how monsters feel, even though the tentacles of this Kraken don't have it.
Imo, all WoW bosses feel lame since there is no collision detection in that game at all. It's like fightning holograms. DF has collisions which makes alot of difference to how monsters feel, even though the tentacles of this Kraken don't have it.
But most of the time, you aren't free to run through the boss, because you'll just eat a cleave/close range spell in the face and die.
I don't know, I guess I am just tired of WoW style raid bosses. They all come down to the same thing, don't stand in the fire, dps the adds, dps the chains etc., etc. Ad nauseam. They never really change. There is very little randomness to a WoW boss battle and the fact that you get to prepare for the boss, drinking pots, getting all your buffs up and discussing strategy, makes it even more boring for me.
In addition, I am just tired of the "holy trinity" style of MMO. Tank/healer/DPS is so cliche and boring now. After 10 years of MMOs we are still stuck in that same mindset and it is getting boring. Give me something different.
Give me a bit of randomness to a fight. Not only in what he does (which is a small part) but when he shows up. Give me something that breaks away from the "holy trinity". Give me something that finds and attacks YOU, instead of standing in a room waiting for you to attack IT.
You want to call the Kraken A.I. stupid? Fine. But what's more stupid, the Kraken that will attack you when you least expect it: during a Sea Fortress siege, or a massive PvP battle or while you are just fishing and minding your own business. Or a WoW boss, which sits in a room staring at your 25-man group while you buff and prepare for him and never attacks until YOU are ready?
Call me dumb but the boss that stand there waiting for you to attack at your leisure seems pretty stupid to me.
@Coffee, I still challenge you to link an ingame video of a what you believe to be a cooler boss fight, I'd be interested to compare it to the Kraken vid to see with my own eyes exactly what you mean.
Well thanks for the links. First vid had nice graphics, the boss looked good but that's about all (in my opinion). My first problem is the sound track put over the game so that I can't hear the plays or ingame sound. Most of all the boss seems pretty much stationary like he's sitting their waiting for you to kill him and there's no collision detection. Not sure about tactics as I don't play WoW but I'd guess a standard Tank/DPS/Healers setup? Second vid, bit low quality but I'll assume the graphics were the same as the last and pretty nice. Same gripe about sound, want to hear what's happening instead of listen to heavy metal. Boss was a bit uninspiring (in my opinion) and it looked like a bunch of school boys playing football (10 guys in a bunch chasing the ball around the pitch). Seemed the players were as scripted as the NPC (kind of boring for myself), but if you like that sort of thing then fine. Third vid, same with the graphics and vid soundtrack. Looked a bit like harry potter online to me but that's my opinion. Those vids seemed fine if that is the kind of combat you're into where you like to have a carefully co ordinated group that's almost running on a script itself to defeat the boss. The bosses themselves seemed a little lacklustre (to me) since they didn't really seem move much or seem really that animated. The first one was more animated but that seemed to be running more like a single player game than an MMORPG. You're right of course I don't prefer them, but that's because I prefer the type of gameplay DFO offers. It's more manic and there's no script you need to follow to beat bosses. Having said that I'm not saying WoW is shit, it looked nice and no doubt the sound was good, just the gameplay is not my thing. I'm sick of Tank/DPS/healer setups and button mashers and DFO offers me something else. I still think the Kraken is better but mainly due to features in DFO like open world with no instances ect. Thanks for the vids anyway.
What I was trying to show was that the DFO krakken is a basic fight, you dont need to corrdinate your team, just spam a range attack and its a numbers game, bring 5 people and its hard/impossible bring 500 people and its easy. Where as WoW (and other mmos) cap the number of players you can bring, require team work and corrdination and the boss fights are far far less basic, the first video showed 3 mini bosses that in the end transformed in 1 big boss. These are abilities that boss has
Napalm Shell
Plasma Blast
Proximity Mine
Shock Blast Heat Wave Rapid Burst Rocket Strike Spinning Up P3Wx2 Laser Barrage Plasma Ball Summon Magnetic Core Magnetic Field Bomb Bot
And you have to look for these abilities and change/move/counter when it happens. With the karkken it has no abilites but an clumsy auto attack, its stand on ship and fire a range attack.. thats it.. it appears to move faster then the ship so moving the ship has no effect. So for me EPIC means a fight where I have to use my brain and work as a team not spam a range attack. Again this is not a snipe at DFO.. just this boss encounter that is find basic and meh.
Hehe, man, you don't understand a one simple thing. Kraken in DFO isn't a boss. It's just a big (I mean HUGE) mean brainless monster of legends. It comes out of ocean depths and attacks ships. Perhaps if ship turnes out to be too strong for him, he says farewell and goes down... DFO isn't WoW, it's different, you know. Sailors from legends don't raid krakens. They just sail and get owned by the one. I mean that what usually happens. No one raids Kraken you know!
The largest difference between fighting a large monster, beavers or goblins in DF and just about every other MMO around is that you cant select the beast sit back and just click your skill buttons. No, you actually have aim and shoot them oh my!
That and first person view but that is more personal I dont like 3rd person view
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Apparently the Kraken has already been defeated on EU. There's a video of it on YouTube somewhere. I'm too lazy to look it up.
Yes I saw Yew Militia taking it down. Apparently 12 guys swimming around Kraken while spamming attacks does the trick. Kraken's AI doesn't target players that much but focus a lot more on ships from what I've heard.
Originally posted by MadnessRealm Yes I saw Yew Militia taking it down. Apparently 12 guys swimming around Kraken while spamming attacks does the trick. Kraken's AI doesn't target players that much but focus a lot more on ships from what I've heard.
Wasn't combat while swimming made more difficult in this patch?
Well, not a very flattering debut for a giant, amazing boss, that's for sure.
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That is so funny and true. I remember a wow raid and everyone had to say "dont stand in the fire" when we were going to kill to down the boss (dont remember its name) and what happend...8 hours of failure (2x4 hours). Its funny that something players can fail with such a easy task
Glad to see that dfo is creating new stuff for their player base. Hope for the best.
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I could do that...it isn't a ZOMG GIANT BOSS, but it was so damn cool to fight it(although I could link a ZOMG GIANT BOSS fight too).
Of course, you'll never agree so what's the point?
The point?
To up your post count by +1.
To show how thick some of you are. Of course it looks cool, but it's not the coolest boss to fight or the coolest boss to look at.
Antharas(L2) looks far cooler, is far harder, uses more abilities than just auto-attack(not too many, but it's a very old game).
And for the hardest boss fight, I'll give that to M'uru pre-nerf(WoW).
Antharas fight
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOaq01rj0E&feature=related - Watch from 7m20s to 9m00s (thats my fav ulduar boss)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72uhdyNRwA - might want to FW to 3m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUgfOHJ3_Q - how about some chess
No one saying anything bad dunno what's the fuss the kraken on itself is good but with only auto attack it will get old but if they add some animations/skills that any normal kraken does in any movie it would make it more real.
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOaq01rj0E&feature=related - Watch from 7m20s to 9m00s (thats my fav ulduar boss)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72uhdyNRwA - might want to FW to 3m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUgfOHJ3_Q - how about some chess
Mimiron is a giant "Don't stand in the fire" fight, Maly 6 mins is a gear check and Chess was solo'd multiple times because it's impossible to lose it unless you're retarded.
Oh, and the drake party of maly is another giant "Don't stand in the fire" part, and can you manage hitting two different buttons?
I like large bosses roaming open worlds and such so this really looks like some fun.
On the other hand...there is still space for improvement for the kraken. As large as it is, it shouldn't move that twitchy and quickly. That kind of movement just makes it look like a zoomed up model for a small squid. It needs slow but powerful movements. I mean you don't have giants run around like goblins either, all giddy and stuff. Also the water: there is no splash or waves or foam or anything where the kraken trashes it and moves around and such (or that little that I can barely see it). That makes no sense either and makes it look less threatening. Also it seems to not really interact in any way with the ship. It just follows roughly the position and loops the same animation. It doesn't seem to be able to really hit the ship (I mean it does hit the ship technically since it destroys the ship), but the tentacles and stuff simply go through as if the ship doesn't exist. Maybe you should also be able to destroy the tentacles of the kraken one by one or something, or that it sometimes submerges and then dives back up again a moment later, or anything like that.
The model for the kraken itself looks neat, and the whole idea is good as well. But I guess the rest will be improved later on.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOaq01rj0E&feature=related - Watch from 7m20s to 9m00s (thats my fav ulduar boss)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72uhdyNRwA - might want to FW to 3m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUgfOHJ3_Q - how about some chess
Mimiron is a giant "Don't stand in the fire" fight, Maly 6 mins is a gear check and Chess was solo'd multiple times because it's impossible to lose it unless you're retarded.
So if you're looking for "incredibly hard to kill", you should check out Mimiron on hard-mode setting before it was nerfed severely. That was incredibly hard to execute and a very rewarding fight. As for "uber cool" bosses, I don't think anyone could disagree that the whole Mimiron encounter is very "cool" either.
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OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOaq01rj0E&feature=related - Watch from 7m20s to 9m00s (thats my fav ulduar boss)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72uhdyNRwA - might want to FW to 3m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUgfOHJ3_Q - how about some chess
Mimiron is a giant "Don't stand in the fire" fight, Maly 6 mins is a gear check and Chess was solo'd multiple times because it's impossible to lose it unless you're retarded.
So if you're looking for "incredibly hard to kill", you should check out Mimiron on hard-mode setting before it was nerfed severely. That was incredibly hard to execute and a very rewarding fight. As for "uber cool" bosses, I don't think anyone could disagree that the whole Mimiron encounter is very "cool" either.
He was never hard, the difficult part of bosses in WoW is finding 24 other non-retarded people to kill it with. Usually the most you can find is 10-15, then the rest of your raid are coattail raiders that wreck everything.
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOaq01rj0E&feature=related - Watch from 7m20s to 9m00s (thats my fav ulduar boss)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72uhdyNRwA - might want to FW to 3m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUgfOHJ3_Q - how about some chess
Mimiron is a giant "Don't stand in the fire" fight, Maly 6 mins is a gear check and Chess was solo'd multiple times because it's impossible to lose it unless you're retarded.
So if you're looking for "incredibly hard to kill", you should check out Mimiron on hard-mode setting before it was nerfed severely. That was incredibly hard to execute and a very rewarding fight. As for "uber cool" bosses, I don't think anyone could disagree that the whole Mimiron encounter is very "cool" either.
He was never hard, the difficult part of bosses in WoW is finding 24 other non-retarded people to kill it with. Usually the most you can find is 10-15, then the rest of your raid are coattail raiders that wreck everything.
Yeah, and when the top-guilds of the world wiped on M'uru/KJ and Yogg Saron 25 with 0 keepers for weeks before they barely killed them with 15 people left they were retarded as well, right?
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOaq01rj0E&feature=related - Watch from 7m20s to 9m00s (thats my fav ulduar boss)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72uhdyNRwA - might want to FW to 3m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUgfOHJ3_Q - how about some chess
Mimiron is a giant "Don't stand in the fire" fight, Maly 6 mins is a gear check and Chess was solo'd multiple times because it's impossible to lose it unless you're retarded.
Oh, and the drake party of maly is another giant "Don't stand in the fire" part, and can you manage hitting two different buttons?
Just the response I expected. oh well.
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOaq01rj0E&feature=related - Watch from 7m20s to 9m00s (thats my fav ulduar boss)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72uhdyNRwA - might want to FW to 3m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUgfOHJ3_Q - how about some chess
Well thanks for the links.
First vid had nice graphics, the boss looked good but that's about all (in my opinion). My first problem is the sound track put over the game so that I can't hear the plays or ingame sound. Most of all the boss seems pretty much stationary like he's sitting their waiting for you to kill him and there's no collision detection. Not sure about tactics as I don't play WoW but I'd guess a standard Tank/DPS/Healers setup?
Second vid, bit low quality but I'll assume the graphics were the same as the last and pretty nice. Same gripe about sound, want to hear what's happening instead of listen to heavy metal. Boss was a bit uninspiring (in my opinion) and it looked like a bunch of school boys playing football (10 guys in a bunch chasing the ball around the pitch). Seemed the players were as scripted as the NPC (kind of boring for myself), but if you like that sort of thing then fine.
Third vid, same with the graphics and vid soundtrack. Looked a bit like harry potter online to me but that's my opinion.
Those vids seemed fine if that is the kind of combat you're into where you like to have a carefully co ordinated group that's almost running on a script itself to defeat the boss. The bosses themselves seemed a little lacklustre (to me) since they didn't really seem move much or seem really that animated. The first one was more animated but that seemed to be running more like a single player game than an MMORPG.
You're right of course I don't prefer them, but that's because I prefer the type of gameplay DFO offers. It's more manic and there's no script you need to follow to beat bosses. Having said that I'm not saying WoW is shit, it looked nice and no doubt the sound was good, just the gameplay is not my thing. I'm sick of Tank/DPS/healer setups and button mashers and DFO offers me something else. I still think the Kraken is better but mainly due to features in DFO like open world with no instances ect.
Thanks for the vids anyway.
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Didn't really liked it.
There would be no difference to the kraken if no ship would be there.
His attacks just go noclip through the ship and you dont really get how huge the kraken is because of this twitching noclip movements.
Could be much better.
Only my opinion and no I dont hate Darkfall or something like this, in fact I would like to try it but i'm not ready to buy a 50$ cat in the sack
OK but ya not goona like it as they are wow videos and I am sure you'll say "meh boring".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOaq01rj0E&feature=related - Watch from 7m20s to 9m00s (thats my fav ulduar boss)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72uhdyNRwA - might want to FW to 3m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUgfOHJ3_Q - how about some chess
Well thanks for the links.
First vid had nice graphics, the boss looked good but that's about all (in my opinion). My first problem is the sound track put over the game so that I can't hear the plays or ingame sound. Most of all the boss seems pretty much stationary like he's sitting their waiting for you to kill him and there's no collision detection. Not sure about tactics as I don't play WoW but I'd guess a standard Tank/DPS/Healers setup?
Second vid, bit low quality but I'll assume the graphics were the same as the last and pretty nice. Same gripe about sound, want to hear what's happening instead of listen to heavy metal. Boss was a bit uninspiring (in my opinion) and it looked like a bunch of school boys playing football (10 guys in a bunch chasing the ball around the pitch). Seemed the players were as scripted as the NPC (kind of boring for myself), but if you like that sort of thing then fine.
Third vid, same with the graphics and vid soundtrack. Looked a bit like harry potter online to me but that's my opinion.
Those vids seemed fine if that is the kind of combat you're into where you like to have a carefully co ordinated group that's almost running on a script itself to defeat the boss. The bosses themselves seemed a little lacklustre (to me) since they didn't really seem move much or seem really that animated. The first one was more animated but that seemed to be running more like a single player game than an MMORPG.
You're right of course I don't prefer them, but that's because I prefer the type of gameplay DFO offers. It's more manic and there's no script you need to follow to beat bosses. Having said that I'm not saying WoW is shit, it looked nice and no doubt the sound was good, just the gameplay is not my thing. I'm sick of Tank/DPS/healer setups and button mashers and DFO offers me something else. I still think the Kraken is better but mainly due to features in DFO like open world with no instances ect.
Thanks for the vids anyway.
What I was trying to show was that the DFO krakken is a basic fight, you dont need to corrdinate your team, just spam a range attack and its a numbers game, bring 5 people and its hard/impossible bring 500 people and its easy.
Where as WoW (and other mmos) cap the number of players you can bring, require team work and corrdination and the boss fights are far far less basic, the first video showed 3 mini bosses that in the end transformed in 1 big boss.
These are abilities that boss has
And you have to look for these abilities and change/move/counter when it happens.
With the karkken it has no abilites but an clumsy auto attack, its stand on ship and fire a range attack.. thats it.. it appears to move faster then the ship so moving the ship has no effect.
So for me EPIC means a fight where I have to use my brain and work as a team not spam a range attack.
Again this is not a snipe at DFO.. just this boss encounter that is find basic and meh.
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I know what you're saying and it looked that way, but remember this is the first day this boss was in the world. Give it a month to see if someone develops any strategy to taking it down (if possible). Maybe it is just a case of bringing enough firepower to bare upon it? Though that would be the case for any boss I suppose? I don't know and no one does save Aventurine, but this is an open world fight that can happen at anytime involving player owned ships with cannons mounted and manned individually by players. I think that's where the cool factor comes from for me.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Imo, all WoW bosses feel lame since there is no collision detection in that game at all. It's like fightning holograms. DF has collisions which makes alot of difference to how monsters feel, even though the tentacles of this Kraken don't have it.
Aventurine-hater since December 5, 2009
But most of the time, you aren't free to run through the boss, because you'll just eat a cleave/close range spell in the face and die.
I don't know, I guess I am just tired of WoW style raid bosses. They all come down to the same thing, don't stand in the fire, dps the adds, dps the chains etc., etc. Ad nauseam. They never really change. There is very little randomness to a WoW boss battle and the fact that you get to prepare for the boss, drinking pots, getting all your buffs up and discussing strategy, makes it even more boring for me.
In addition, I am just tired of the "holy trinity" style of MMO. Tank/healer/DPS is so cliche and boring now. After 10 years of MMOs we are still stuck in that same mindset and it is getting boring. Give me something different.
Give me a bit of randomness to a fight. Not only in what he does (which is a small part) but when he shows up. Give me something that breaks away from the "holy trinity". Give me something that finds and attacks YOU, instead of standing in a room waiting for you to attack IT.
You want to call the Kraken A.I. stupid? Fine. But what's more stupid, the Kraken that will attack you when you least expect it: during a Sea Fortress siege, or a massive PvP battle or while you are just fishing and minding your own business. Or a WoW boss, which sits in a room staring at your 25-man group while you buff and prepare for him and never attacks until YOU are ready?
Call me dumb but the boss that stand there waiting for you to attack at your leisure seems pretty stupid to me.
should we start hating oompa loompas then since they only move left and right and they don't do anything else besides that ?
They make candy, maintain the Factory, freak children out and dance in choreography. They have awesome AI, these Oompa Loompas!
Hehe, man, you don't understand a one simple thing. Kraken in DFO isn't a boss. It's just a big (I mean HUGE) mean brainless monster of legends. It comes out of ocean depths and attacks ships. Perhaps if ship turnes out to be too strong for him, he says farewell and goes down... DFO isn't WoW, it's different, you know. Sailors from legends don't raid krakens. They just sail and get owned by the one. I mean that what usually happens. No one raids Kraken you know!
i want to see a battle killing the Kraken and then see a cute little tombstone after the battle.
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The largest difference between fighting a large monster, beavers or goblins in DF and just about every other MMO around is that you cant select the beast sit back and just click your skill buttons. No, you actually have aim and shoot them oh my!
That and first person view but that is more personal I dont like 3rd person view
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Apparently the Kraken has already been defeated on EU. There's a video of it on YouTube somewhere. I'm too lazy to look it up.
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Yes I saw Yew Militia taking it down. Apparently 12 guys swimming around Kraken while spamming attacks does the trick. Kraken's AI doesn't target players that much but focus a lot more on ships from what I've heard.
Wasn't combat while swimming made more difficult in this patch?
Well, not a very flattering debut for a giant, amazing boss, that's for sure.