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we are a dying breed
Squal'Zell
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old school MMORPG gamers
i see more and more posts now with people that are asking for arena style pvp, instanced raids, gear grinders, easy to level, and continuous end game content. where winning depends on gear.
i started my MMO days with ultima online, pre-trammel, and i know some that started with MUDs. for me an MMORPG is a big world that is so vast that to go from one side to the other would take some preparation. where content was created by the players themselves and the devs simply made the tools available to us. player housing was not instanced but you would build your own house inside the world. (you better put some security in that house because thieves can come and steal anything in it)
the world was made barren and us the players made the end game content and built on this barren world, it was not about me, myself and I. it was about me IN my community (be clan or guild) versus other communities. we created fame by our actions and not by our gear and lvl.
yes it was a harsh world and solo play was extremely hard so people played in teams, and thats the way it was meant to. It was not for everyone and the developers knew that. and instead of trying to make that game appeal to more people they instead try to please their current communities.
but now people are asking for MMORPG games that they can log in and play the way they want to how they want to. if they want to go solo, then the MMORPG of their choice should be able to cater to the ability to play solo. if they want to group then they have that option IF they want to. People want MMORPGs to be easier to reach the end game, and instead of making the game playable while leveling, they make it faster to reach end game (why not simply start them up at max lvl?)
honestly i think if they want to play solo, they should find a single player game (oblivion, witcher, dragon age KOTOR, KOTOR2 , freelancer: a few that come to mind) if they want a quick in and out, then play adventure games, or Multiplayer games.
i realize that this new generation of MMORPG gaming has the majority of players asking for MMORPGs that play like SP and MP games. and thats the reality of the situation.
there are a few games that are comming out (some already out) that are inspired by the old days, but look at the bashing they get all over the place. (thinking of darkfall), though i agree it has its problems but not much more than the problems UO had (specially at the beginning) but give it sometime and darkfall will be up to what UO used to be (including player housing) and i would not be surprised if they have flying mounts (if they survive the harsh years to come and newer games with more budget)
mortal online is also coming out eventually which has some promising features.
right now i am playing eve. it has most of the features of old school gaming. the only down i see to it is the space. (its the same everywhere.) but its not enough to drive me away from the game cuz the good outweight the bad.
right now i am very tight on money and i really do not have 50$ to spend on darkfall. but if i had i would buy it without hesitating. even if it has its flaws.
again i am seeing more and more new school gamers and less and less old school gamers, we are a dying breed and its getting to a point of having 1 less old school MMORPG player (me) if 2010 does not improve. but i kind of see a glint of hope... hopefully it will not be shadowed by the new style.
i know this is a wall of text hey, im old school.
Andy
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I call bullshit. Link me 3 thread topics asking for those things.
Stop QQ and start playing Darkfall :P A lot of people have a good time with it.
Well, that is a lot of rant.
I am old schooler .. started playing Kingdom of Drakkar, a precursor to MMORPG ..then UO beta (hated it .. not a good game), then EQ.
I dont share the rant. The world moves forward. If you don't like it, you can quit. Today games are more fun than before. Sure, we want to play solo sometimes, and we want quick in and out. Who has time to sit there drink 10 min before another fight? Who has the patience to line up, camp 30 min to kill a boss?
Today's games are much better entertainment than before and I totally think it should be the way to go.
And who are you to argue with taste? If i want to solo while chatting with my guildies, and there are millions of us who are wiling to pay $15 a month to do it, who are you to say otherwise?
Plus, a lot of us are asking for the OPTION to solo, and we don't solo all the time. There is a key difference.
You sure as hell aren't a dying breed here. This is "old farts complaining about how modern MMOs suck" central. So be happy!
Darkfall is exactly what we DON"T want. FPS type controls, crappy use it to improve it so you shoot at trees to raise your "skill" game mechanics?
That's to cater to the console gamers, not the old school players.
I think you would build a solid game that encouraged grouping, and I'd like to play one, but it sure ain't Darkfall.
In response to the topic title and the uber-rant;
Good riddance.
QFT
and wait more 10 years when "old skool" wow/aion/<your most hated mmo> players will come claim that there is no more hardcore holdhanding anymore.
"whut? i dont pay 15 a month to think what is fun to me, i want they to think what makes me happy, devs suck".
see ya
now: GW2 (11 80s).
Dark Souls 2.
future: Mount&Blade 2 BannerLord.
"Bro, do your even fractal?"
Recommends: Guild Wars 2, Dark Souls, Mount&Blade: Warband, Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning.
darkfall as one big problem before i even i check it,it avail online only,me i can only go to walmart or ebgame in my city and i will never use my credit card online with all the freaking scamer or stealer that are online
make darkfall avail in ebgame or walmart and i will gladly go play ton of hours
most game that are skipped today are skipped because they are online transaction only cant buy the game in ebgame or walmart,cant buy time card in ebgame or walmart
im not the only one the vast majority buy at ebgame or any other store their mmo fix,only the minority (about 15% of gamer)
buy their mmo fix online that leave the rest of the market to the game that do go to ebgame store walmart and all other main franchise in us and canadien city (probably other store in the rest of the world )
Read that again, read what you wrote and try to understand how utterly silly such a statement makes you look. It reads to me as if you think people should be forced to endure harships instead of having fun when their game. Here is a hint; Gaming falls into the entertainment category, it's a business orientated around people enjoying themselves. God forbid these customers should ever ask for their games to be less of a chore and more fun.
I don't think you're Old School - More jaded, and perhaps a bit naive as well.
No your just unable to adapt, you can't keep up with the pack. Stop lagging behind and wipe the tears from your face. The dying "breed" (LOL WTF) can always go back to those old games, or move on, like me and the rest of the "old school" gamers.
Anyways, as for soloing. I'm in a MMO soloing for lootz playing how I want.
It's pretty difficult to get scammed using your credit card online if you know what it is you're buying.
You're not going to some random link from a spam email or anything. You know the product you want, you know the website at which to buy it and you know that thousands of other people have used the same service.
So whilst it's good to exercise caution, it is possible to be over cautious and restrict yourself from enjoying things without a good reason.
Read that again, read what you wrote and try to understand how utterly silly such a statement makes you look. It reads to me as if you think people should be forced to endure harships instead of having fun when their game. Here is a hint; Gaming falls into the entertainment category, it's a business orientated around people enjoying themselves. God forbid these customers should ever ask for their games to be less of a chore and more fun.
I don't think you're Old School - More jaded, and perhaps a bit naive as well.
i was trying to make the point that if people want to play a certain way, they should pick a game that caters to their tastes. if you like to shoot guns then play counterstrike, (im going to go to the extreme now: and say the new FOTM is guns in world of warcraft, people will ask and ask and change the whole MMO industry and it will change what MMOs are to make it gun related, (regardless of the theme of the game, again this was an exageration)
people want easy, they pick MMOGs and demand changes and devs and investors say, hmm more people are gonna come in if we do these changes? make it so. so the MMO industry is able to change their WORLDs to cater to the majority.
if i want to play solo i go play oblivion
if i want to shoot people i play counter strike or modern warfare2
if i want adventure i play KOTOR1/2
if i want massivelly ill pick an MMO
and btw most of the posters saying QQ or go play darkfall, clearely you did not read my whole post.
as for those who say we are not a dying breed? hmmm im comparing it to the WHOLE MMO genre and not simply on this forum. "we want sandbox blablabla. when they get it they say its bad, boring, stupid,to hard, to long etc.... WoW is the leader in MMO industry the same as Mcdonnald is in fast food chains. Lots of people are trying to be "better" but they fail simply because the new is not familiar and people are unconfortable with the unfamiliar and go back to what they know and understand (Mcdonnalds)
Chuckles:
Fires up Dragon Age...... "BIG SMILE"
I really doubt it has anything to do with adapting. Rather it has to do with taste. Not to mention a broad spectrum of players were not around for the M59/UO/EQ days yet still have an opinion. While I don't think that exact game would work these days, It was def. more fun than the current menu.
You could make an argument that the current MMO scene is so bland and ho hum because of the many sub par games available. Back then it was 2/3/4 games you had to choose from at any given time thus making it more concentrated and what you see is what you get, sorta.
And yes... I'm sure you're in it for yourself and what mad lootz you can get your hands on. Heaven forbid, you'd have to I dunno, share? Group? Which is another thing that made those few games back then "better". Team work to accomplish a goal. It made it that much more sweet so to speak. Unattainable otherwise.
So now the companies cater to people like you. There for the dynamics of MMO's change. I'm not saying you're a bad bad person, or you suck, anything like that. It's just how it is. The instant gratification/solo/make me feel good about my mediocrity crowd is the current target.
So here we are.
lol if what you say were true soe (everquest)wouldnt have to put new content on their 10 year old mmo
the fact is that game is so great soe make huge pile of money with that game .vanguard is close to closing and
everquest is still going that speak louder then any word i can write.
the only thing holding everquest and everquest 2 back is the fact soe stopped sending copy and time card to the major chain store in the world in a bet to force player to move to vanguard or freerealm
the fact is that was the worst idea ever i can safelly say if soe ever send copyagain of everquest and everquest 2 game along with time card
they will be in the top 10 mmo game .about 15% of gamer buy online the rest all buy at various chain store in the world
and no amount of wishfull thinking will make player buy online
maybe in 10 years there will be new safe techno that will enable us to buy online safely without fear of info being hacked,lost,sold etc but for now aint gona happen.
Oh, don't worry...most of you 'old-school' 'hardcore' guys were every bit as mediocre as the new-schoolers, it just took you longer to attain it.
Seriously....what year are you from? Online or not, as long as you have a credit card exists under your name, you are open to different ways of hacking. Think about it, you are online posting, and that also open your door for hackers. You might want to disconnect your computer from internet if you really worry that much...
if i want to play solo i go play oblivion
if i want to shoot people i play counter strike or modern warfare2
if i want adventure i play KOTOR1/2
if i want massivelly ill pick an MMO
YOU ... not everyone else.
It's pretty difficult to get scammed using your credit card online if you know what it is you're buying.
You're not going to some random link from a spam email or anything. You know the product you want, you know the website at which to buy it and you know that thousands of other people have used the same service.
So whilst it's good to exercise caution, it is possible to be over cautious and restrict yourself from enjoying things without a good reason.
hoobley you are right ,me and million of other gamer are restrcting our selves from playing great game .true we might be too cautious.thats how i am .
like i say if its avail at my local ebgame store or walmart etc name it,i will go gladly buy it but never online .
hell i got a time card from aion i never used and its sleeping in the drawer.but everything i baught was baught at my local store
not avail in store =lost sale for mmo game not avail in the store(soe isnt avail anywhere in my city be it timecard or game
same with countless other title,wow is there tho so i buy wow.
I really doubt it has anything to do with adapting. Rather it has to do with taste. Not to mention a broad spectrum of players were not around for the M59/UO/EQ days yet still have an opinion. While I don't think that exact game would work these days, It was def. more fun than the current menu.
You could make an argument that the current MMO scene is so bland and ho hum because of the many sub par games available. Back then it was 2/3/4 games you had to choose from at any given time thus making it more concentrated and what you see is what you get, sorta.
And yes... I'm sure you're in it for yourself and what mad lootz you can get your hands on. Heaven forbid, you'd have to I dunno, share? Group? Which is another thing that made those few games back then "better". Team work to accomplish a goal. It made it that much more sweet so to speak. Unattainable otherwise.
So now the companies cater to people like you. There for the dynamics of MMO's change. I'm not saying you're a bad bad person, or you suck, anything like that. It's just how it is. The instant gratification/solo/make me feel good about my mediocrity crowd is the current target.
So here we are.
I started out in sandbox, I moved on to themeparks. Until there is a quality sandbox game to come along I'll stick with themeparks. I group, I also like to solo, I don't need to have somebody following me around all day. I also don't need instant gratification. All these old MMOs had going for them was community which was nothing more then the like minded whiners unable to adapt to changes or find a new game, instead they make a million posts, like this one, claiming soloers should play a singleplayer game. The ironic part is, that's all you guys will have to play sooner or later unless you, guess what? Adapt.
btw, the 3 games you listed are still up and running, return to them.
Oh, don't worry...most of you 'old-school' 'hardcore' guys were every bit as mediocre as the new-schoolers, it just took you longer to attain it.
I'm sorry you feel that you fall under this crowd and it bothers you. It's not my fault. For the record, I didn't attach myself to any 'old school' or 'hardcore' tag at all nor do I care either way. I made an outside opinion. Let's be honest, It's not that far off.
maybe in 10 years there will be new safe techno that will enable us to buy online safely without fear of info being hacked,lost,sold etc but for now aint gona happen.
They have it now, it's called a brain.
Wtf, were a group of you at the same Christmas party and someone drop some acid in the egg nogg or something? Not that these types of complaints are anything new around here but even for this forum this shit seems out of control today. Almost every single topic today is putting a different spin on the exact same complaint. Over and over...
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I really doubt it has anything to do with adapting. Rather it has to do with taste. Not to mention a broad spectrum of players were not around for the M59/UO/EQ days yet still have an opinion. While I don't think that exact game would work these days, It was def. more fun than the current menu.
You could make an argument that the current MMO scene is so bland and ho hum because of the many sub par games available. Back then it was 2/3/4 games you had to choose from at any given time thus making it more concentrated and what you see is what you get, sorta.
And yes... I'm sure you're in it for yourself and what mad lootz you can get your hands on. Heaven forbid, you'd have to I dunno, share? Group? Which is another thing that made those few games back then "better". Team work to accomplish a goal. It made it that much more sweet so to speak. Unattainable otherwise.
So now the companies cater to people like you. There for the dynamics of MMO's change. I'm not saying you're a bad bad person, or you suck, anything like that. It's just how it is. The instant gratification/solo/make me feel good about my mediocrity crowd is the current target.
So here we are.
I started out in sandbox, I moved on to themeparks. Until there is a quality sandbox game to come along I'll stick with themeparks. I group, I also like to solo, I don't need to have somebody following me around all day. I also don't need instant gratification. All these old MMOs had going for them was community which was nothing more then the like minded whiners unable to adapt to changes or find a new game, instead they make a million posts, like this one, claiming soloers should play a singleplayer game. The ironic part is, that's all you guys will have to play sooner or later unless you, guess what? Adapt.
btw, the 3 games you listed are still up and running, return to them.
Completely opposite of what you said last time. Good job. Refer to my other post. I don't find any nostalgia in any of those games. I had fun with them sure but was a long time ago. I also said nothing about people who like to solo should find a single player game. I can understand having more fun with a bunch of people running around doing their thing. Brings the world to life.
If you're going to respond to my posts, in the future please don't take them out of context and spin them the way you want them to sound. It's well, stupid.
Companies make MMOs to make money. Good business sense will tell you to adapt and go to where the market is. Common sense should tell you to adapt and over come. Stop trying to be dramatic and just pick a game to play like the rest of us do. The only breed that should be dying, but isn't, is the whining gamers claiming how they use to run their characters up a hill in the snow barefooted both ways, to get to their quest/grind area.
/gives tissue and a "good game"
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