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world of warcraft cataclysm - succses or failure ??

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  • TsekataTsekata Member Posts: 2

    Well..not sure fail or succes,but for sure I thought "Failure" when I saw it for first time!Yesterday I saw the videos that are introducing the two new races on Cataclysm and I were not pretty sure 'bout it.I guess I'll have to wait for the expansion.And The Burning Crusade is the best expansion ever made in my opinion.

  • greed0104greed0104 Member Posts: 2,134
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by Deestroy


    Depends on your point of view. If you prefer Casual gaming and like predictability then you will like it.
    But from what I have seen having played the game from the start. Every gripe hardcores have with WOTLK will be multiplied times a million on CAT. Item shops, every race almost can do every class, to be honest Cow paladins and Gnome shadow priests is a bit childish, and you can bet for an army of Cow paladins named God Stomp or holy hoof and other rediculous things. PVP as bad as it is now will be a joke beyond degree. Casual raiders and new player casuals will like it, hardcore raiders wont, and ANY pvper wont. Honestly I have a very bad feeling about it.



     

    Blue marks what I consider a non contribution to this thread. Wow forums on mmorpg.com. As always.

     

    Get over yourself.

    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't contribute anything. Item Shop, Cow paladins is fact. He shared his opinion (what this thread is about). You didn't contribute anything. Good job.

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  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856

    mm it will be good!the question is more how long!ton of new ways are coming out.

    onlive is one v ersion ,

    microsoft donnybrooks witch look like it was made for halo like microsoft wanted it to become an open world mmo

    and countless other mmo like gw2,ff14 etc etc etc

    so wow will have the top spot when it release but they could loose it VERY QUICKLY

    halo is a title that could steel the spotlight from wow if it went mmo wide open world pvp

    and since its avail in all major store time card and game would be easy to get unlike lot of other title that are online pay avail

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by Deestroy


    Depends on your point of view. If you prefer Casual gaming and like predictability then you will like it.
    But from what I have seen having played the game from the start. Every gripe hardcores have with WOTLK will be multiplied times a million on CAT. Item shops, every race almost can do every class, to be honest Cow paladins and Gnome shadow priests is a bit childish, and you can bet for an army of Cow paladins named God Stomp or holy hoof and other rediculous things. PVP as bad as it is now will be a joke beyond degree. Casual raiders and new player casuals will like it, hardcore raiders wont, and ANY pvper wont. Honestly I have a very bad feeling about it.



     

    Blue marks what I consider a non contribution to this thread. Wow forums on mmorpg.com. As always.

     

    Show him the Blizz financial  report, that always works.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945

    I think the revamp of the old world is going to be very popular and breath a lot of life into the old world.  If it does what I think it will do, other companies will follow suit with their own similar plans. 

     

    People will complain that is sucks in wow, how it was done in some other game first, but in the very next breath talk about how awesome it is in other games that do it or how wow caused some other company to ruin their world when it gets revamped.

     

     

  • CecropiaCecropia Member RarePosts: 3,985

      If it does what I think it will do, other companies will follow suit with their own similar plans. 
      

    Great! Go MMOs!

    Fuck Evolution.

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  • pepsi1028pepsi1028 Member Posts: 471

    I believe cataclysm will be great then it will slowly die....i say that because we all know the sales will be massive. Yet, i have that gut feeling that this behemoth will soon be so dumbed down helen keller can play for someone like Ensidia. That lack of content will turn into a dyslexic kid trying to read to his class. yes I went there people.... ;D

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  • SanisarSanisar Member UncommonPosts: 135

    This year has the potential to see 3 new MMOs that actually have a strong chance to succeed and thrive.  SWTOR is going to be a very polished game made by a development company with one of the best reputations in the industry, perhaps the best as far as pure RPG.  Guild Wars 2 should be a huge upgrade to the original Guild Wars experience and with their B2P structure (which many players love, and non-p2p models are gaining more traction apparently) combined with their existing player base that will most likely carry over this game is sure to be a success.  Also, FFXIV is a huge upgrade over 11 and again will likely carry over their existing player base which alone is enough to make it successful.

    I mention all of this because while I think that cataclysm will be a commercial success (I almost certainly will buy a copy even though I hope to be playing one of the previous games) the market will not be very forgiving to a 6-year-old MMO that much of their player base has fully exhausted.  I expect initial sales to be as spectacular as always followed by a shift of a portion of the WoW subscription base to these new games, even if they are worse games than WoW, just to be playing something new, meeting new people, and experiencing a new world.  I'm not saying that WoW is going to die or that cataclysm is even going to negatively affect the game at all, I just thing that this expansion is going to offer at most a few months (to level a new alt for most players) of 'new' player experience before player realize that it's just more of the same format.  I have to agree with many here, I believe that mainly this expansion (though it was intended to reinvent the game) is really just going to hold over Blizzards most loyal player base for their next MMO or Diablo 3.

    On a personal note, this expansion looks to me like it offers absolutely nothing worthwhile to the game and actually promotes even more grinding than before via the path of the titans and the new secondary profession, both of which appear mandatory to the WoW min/max success stratagem.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by pepsi102 


    I believe cataclysm will be great then it will slowly die....i say that because we all know the sales will be massive. Yet, i have that gut feeling that this behemoth will soon be so dumbed down helen keller can play for someone like Ensidia. That lack of content will turn into a dyslexic kid trying to read to his class. yes I went there people.... ;D

    Same remarks all over our forums from the same poster.

    We have a new troll people !

    First do things on hard levels before posting please.

    The chances are that new players will get shocked when they reach those levels but you are right, if people didn't quit by now because it gotten too easy they wont later either because of that. Getting the right difficulty is one of the hardest things for a MMO.

     

    And Wow isn't the only game that have gotten easier, all the older games have. It is a current trend with the games. It will turn again sooner or later but that is beside the point.

    As for Wow slowly dying, that is what every game will in the end, and all humans are slowly dying too. Nothing last forever but that is way off topic.

    If Cataclysm will be a great success that will help Wow with retaking all of the players who quit the last year or if many people will think it destroy the game and quit is still anyones guess. The idea of revamping the old zones is not bad but there is always the chance that people wont like it, more than one game have lost subs when trying something similar.

    Only one thing is sure: Wow will still be the biggest game in December 2010, if it will be it in December 2011 or not is hard to tell now because the release of games like TOR and Guildwars 2 will be the first true high profile games by devs who actually sold lots of games before.

    GW2 is made by the original Wow (they did however quit long before launch) and Warcraft 3 team and it wont have monthly fees... The MMO launches in the last few years have been rather sad and Wow will be the biggest until someone actually releases a good MMO and that will most likely not happen in 2010. And Bioware have always been the company that have competed with Blizzard in hit games. Companies like Cryptic, Funcom, Turbine and Mythic have never actually made a hit game and are playing a different league, they also lack those magic devs like Kaplan, Strain and Ray.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by Zorndorf
    The game that will beat WOW subscriptions ... will have to bet BETTER than or it won't go anywhere in comparable subs.


    That is true, well either that or because Wows graphics actually gets so ancient that no one will play it because of it



     

  • tazarconantazarconan Member Posts: 1,013
    Originally posted by Rydeson


    IMO.. It will be a financial success, but in my eyes it will be failure, and here is why..

    New aesthetic changes to old world, and limited low and high end quest.  I personally see this as nothing but window dressing.. Darkshore gone!  Guess what, I don't care, and nor do most others.. In reality, there will be LESS, low level content then before (not including the 2 new phased entry zones)..I give this feature a "B
    Rated BG system.. this is a feature that will probably only get used by less then 5% of the player base.. Grade "C-"
    Paths of the Titans.. I read a lot about what bonuses are here and how you get em..  These are minimal bonuses that most will probably forget to use or not use at all..  Grade "D"
    New Races.. Do most really care? Our guild doesn't.  Most of the guildies that have multiple alts and have no free slots left are NOT going delete an existing toon to make room for a new race.. Would I delete my 80lv Human warrior to make a Worgen Warrior?  NOPE, not going to happen.. Grade "C"
    New class combination..  See Above  Grade "C"

    1.The vanilla world is something all wow players really liked and almost all of them would love to run to the good old places they used to play in old times.

    2.Rated Battlegrounds: Are you kidding me? Its the way it should  BG work from bc till now. They delayed alot implementing it. All pvp players apart arena will get burned on rated  BG's.

    3.Path of the Titans: Minimal bonuses are the gems also.All ppl though have epiq gems on their gear ^^

    4.the new races are ridiculous in my opinion and intresting only if u r 10+ y old.I would expect some more serious races than a wererat like creature and goblins.

    5.New class/race combos: You think that ppl wont roll a blood elf warrior? kek

     

  • pepsi1028pepsi1028 Member Posts: 471
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by pepsi1028


    I believe cataclysm will be great then it will slowly die....i say that because we all know the sales will be massive. Yet, i have that gut feeling that this behemoth will soon be so dumbed down helen keller can play for someone like Ensidia. That lack of content will turn into a dyslexic kid trying to read to his class. yes I went there people.... ;D



     

    Same remarks all over our forums from the same poster.

    We have a new troll people !

    First do things on hard levels before posting please.

     

    am i supposed to be offended? Am i going to lose the people i love due to the fact that i "troll"? no so i honestly dont care what anyone over the internet thinks. and thinks for looking at my profile and looking at my posts, shows that my points are getting looked at ;)

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  • pepsi1028pepsi1028 Member Posts: 471

    wow, you must like my posts, you know them pretty good. but seriously your getting off topic. who's the troll now?

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  • iZakaroNiZakaroN Member UncommonPosts: 719
    Originally posted by Andr4599


    What do you think, will wow cata be a dissapiontment, or will it make total domination on the mmo market ?
    Cataclysm is blizzards most expensive expansion pack they ever worked with, and it seems difrent a new then BC and WOTLK.
    I must admist i cant wait for it, and i think it will make total domination, and claim more of the mmo market.
    What do you think ?

     

    For me there are only 2 possibilites:

    1. To improve the new crappy content (BC and WoTLK) in the style of original WoW.

    2. To ruin original content in the same way BC and WoTLK ruined WoW for me.

     

    Most probably I will try that expansion as the other 2, and hope WoW will not disappoint me this time.



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  • nyxiumnyxium Member UncommonPosts: 1,345

     If Cataclysm doesn't have any kind of housing, i.e. player / guild, subs may be lost to other games like LoTRO and RoM. The social aspect is being completely blanked, and repetition is appealing for only so long (about 1 minute). 

     

    No housing would be a kick in the guts. It's only been 5 years after all.

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by Zorndorf





     

    Yes because Housing is the REAL challenge in any MMORPG.

    I think the challenge lies in the manned 24/24 and 7/7 gaming pleasure in GROUP or solo mode... instead of watching a non event.

    How many people visit the barber shops these days ? :)))

     

    The real challenge for anyone trying to have fun in WOW is alleviating the boredom. One can only repeat the same tired process for so long. Alternatives such as player housing is one way a player can become part of the world and create a feeling of immersion instead of one of being on a merry go round at a theme park.

  • PheacePheace Member Posts: 2,408

    Still housing will not be a do or die feature of World of Warcraft, not even close.

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  • nyxiumnyxium Member UncommonPosts: 1,345

     I was thinking of the role playing potential for housing, but you are right, not all players do that.

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by grandpagamer


    The real challenge for anyone trying to have fun in WOW is alleviating the boredom. One can only repeat the same tired process for so long. Alternatives such as player housing is one way a player can become part of the world and create a feeling of immersion instead of one of being on a merry go round at a theme park.



     

    The only bored players in WOW these days (past patch 3.3) are the ones ... not playing the game.

    :)) I would need ten hands these days and double hours to do what I need to do in WOW.

    Damned, PvP season is ending/starting in 2 weeks and I still don't have half my full set of Furious PvP gear and decent ratings. Not even talking about my last world adventure with my new leveling character or the research and hunt for bettering my appaling DPS output on my main's alt spec.

    Only one solution: quit these silly forums and discussions with non playing players who simply have no clue.

      Yes its obvious the game holds a tight grip on your interest from your lack of postings here. Between cheerleading and gear grinding im sure its hard to find time for anything else.

  • PheacePheace Member Posts: 2,408
    Originally posted by nyxium


     I was thinking of the role playing potential for housing, but you are right, not all players do that.

     

    I certainly don't disagree that Housing would be great for roleplaying, but I certainly don't think such an aspect is any form of requirement for the continued succes of WoW. It's been what, 5 years? Clearly they have a handle on how to keep people playing (Carrots), even if they moan and groan while doing so.

     

    Still, you can't say that WoW isn't a world that allows you to roleplay 'should you chose to'. At least it has a good range of emotes (one of the things WAR really went wrong in my opinion, heck you couldn't even sit till recently, or was it walk?), an interresting world (environments).

     

    If anything I'd say the huge range of movies made in the WoW world is proof it has a roleplay capacity already. It's just, there isn't a particular roleplay server like people are used to, but the game itself does lend itself well to roleplay in my opinion.

     

    Take this video for example: 'The craft of WAR: Blind'

     

    I'd almost say the video community is a sort of 'new' way of roleplay. (granted this one was edited quite a bit but there's a lot of roleplay video's out there, more than any other game ever has, and a lot of it is great, even semi professional stuff.)

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  • aggiethecataggiethecat Member Posts: 13

    i ve recently returned to wow because i m snowed in and thought it ll give me something to do . what i m finding is that the emphasis of the game at present has shifted from questing to level . to doing instances and battlegrounds . which i m quite enjoying because it i ve done most of the quests before .  the problem i think cataclysm must address and it appears to be endevouring to do so is to bring the majority of players  back into the game world outside the citys which are quite busy on the full servers .  a lot depends on cataclysm because i ve heard a lot of people voicing disapointment about the content of wrath of the lich king in the game .  i actually quite enjoyed it but found leveling from 75 - 80 to be quite boring . also leveling is a lot easier now which is fine for a casual gamer like myself but i can imagine that will lead to more hardcore gamers gettinig bored a lot faster .  there has been some either some undoubted loss of players in europe or everyone is instances . from what i ve been told by friends in game they believe the numbers have dropped quite significantly . having said that its over a year since the last xpac and a lull is to be expected .

    i hope cataclysm does inject some much needed excitement into a somewhat  stale game at the moment . if it does old players like myself might find wow becoming thier regular mmo again . if it does nt there will be a temporary boost followed by much disapointment leading to disallusionment .

    a lot rides on it . if i was into betting i d lay money on it being a success in terms of boxes sold .

  • nyxiumnyxium Member UncommonPosts: 1,345

    True, however there is only so much Godlshire one can take on Argent Dawn. And the benches outside the cathedral district in SW are getting crowded to sleep on.

     

    The potential for making RP WoW movies using housing for machinima buffs adds weight to hinting to Blizz to up housing on the priority list.

     

  • aggiethecataggiethecat Member Posts: 13
    Originally posted by nyxium


    True, however there is only so much Godlshire one can take on Argent Dawn. And the benches outside the cathedral district in SW are getting crowded to sleep on.
     
    The potential for making RP WoW movies using housing for machinima buffs adds weight to hinting to Blizz to up housing on the priority list.
     



     

    i ve always liked player housing and guild housing in games it does add an extra dimension to the game .

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945
    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by grandpagamer


    The real challenge for anyone trying to have fun in WOW is alleviating the boredom. One can only repeat the same tired process for so long. Alternatives such as player housing is one way a player can become part of the world and create a feeling of immersion instead of one of being on a merry go round at a theme park.



     

    The only bored players in WOW these days (past patch 3.3) are the ones ... not playing the game.

    :)) I would need ten hands these days and double hours to do what I need to do in WOW.

    Damned, PvP season is ending/starting in 2 weeks and I still don't have half my full set of Furious PvP gear and decent ratings. Not even talking about my last world adventure with my new leveling character or the research and hunt for bettering my appaling DPS output on my main's alt spec.

    Only one solution: quit these silly forums and discussions with non playing players who simply have no clue.

      Yes its obvious the game holds a tight grip on your interest from your lack of postings here. Between cheerleading and gear grinding im sure its hard to find time for anything else.

    Pot, it's kettle on line one.

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by Daffid011

    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by grandpagamer


    The real challenge for anyone trying to have fun in WOW is alleviating the boredom. One can only repeat the same tired process for so long. Alternatives such as player housing is one way a player can become part of the world and create a feeling of immersion instead of one of being on a merry go round at a theme park.



     

    The only bored players in WOW these days (past patch 3.3) are the ones ... not playing the game.

    :)) I would need ten hands these days and double hours to do what I need to do in WOW.

    Damned, PvP season is ending/starting in 2 weeks and I still don't have half my full set of Furious PvP gear and decent ratings. Not even talking about my last world adventure with my new leveling character or the research and hunt for bettering my appaling DPS output on my main's alt spec.

    Only one solution: quit these silly forums and discussions with non playing players who simply have no clue.

      Yes its obvious the game holds a tight grip on your interest from your lack of postings here. Between cheerleading and gear grinding im sure its hard to find time for anything else.

    Pot, it's kettle on line one.

    Hang in there, perhaps with a bit more time you will usurp Zorn's throne.

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