The real challenge for anyone trying to have fun in WOW is alleviating the boredom. One can only repeat the same tired process for so long. Alternatives such as player housing is one way a player can become part of the world and create a feeling of immersion instead of one of being on a merry go round at a theme park.
The only bored players in WOW these days (past patch 3.3) are the ones ... not playing the game.
) I would need ten hands these days and double hours to do what I need to do in WOW.
Damned, PvP season is ending/starting in 2 weeks and I still don't have half my full set of Furious PvP gear and decent ratings. Not even talking about my last world adventure with my new leveling character or the research and hunt for bettering my appaling DPS output on my main's alt spec.
Only one solution: quit these silly forums and discussions with non playing players who simply have no clue.
Yes its obvious the game holds a tight grip on your interest from your lack of postings here. Between cheerleading and gear grinding im sure its hard to find time for anything else.
Pot, it's kettle on line one.
Hang in there, perhaps with a bit more time you will usurp Zorn's throne.
Originally posted by grandpagamer Yes its obvious the game holds a tight grip on your interest from your lack of postings here. Between cheerleading and gear grinding im sure its hard to find time for anything else.
Pot, it's kettle on line one.
Hang in there, perhaps with a bit more time you will usurp Zorn's throne.
I think the irony of your post to zondorf is lost on you. If you need it explained to you, just ask.
Hang in there, perhaps with a bit more time you will usurp Zorn's throne.
I think the irony of your post to zondorf is lost on you. If you need it explained to you, just ask.
Oh no. Even a lowly old fart like me understands what you were trying to convey. My point to Zorn I will explain to you though as you seem to have missed it in your haste to appear witty. The time it takes me to state my feelings about your beloved WOW is a very small percentage of the time and effort Zorn expends, finding obsure links , crafting walls of text which granted, are for the most a copy and paste job but still take time considering its done on every WOW post and many to threads of other games unrelated to WOW. So with all the time invested in his advertising I find it highly unlikely he spends much time ingame at all. Oh and the UK definition of throne as posted above is a pretty good definition for the WOW ultimate fan/advertiser seat as well.
most successfull game like wow ,aion and countless other title,have one thing in comon:
THEY ARE AVAIL IN THE MALL OR IN THE WALMART YOU DO BUSINESS WITH!
that and advertising is the only reason those game are high!lot of game maker hope player will adopt the buy online only !the fact are there ;most buy game card at target,time card and game at ebgame mall store or other local store, not online lol.
name me one title ,just one that is as popular as say aion and that is buy online only!
most successfull game like wow ,aion and countless other title,have one thing in comon: THEY ARE AVAIL IN THE MALL OR IN THE WALMART YOU DO BUSINESS WITH! that and advertising is the only reason those game are high!lot of game maker hope player will adopt the buy online only !the fact are there most buy game card at target,time card and game at ebgame mall store not online only lol. name me one title ,just one that is as popular as say aion and that is buy online only! the sad truth in usa there are none,none!
Global Agenda is steam only. Steam is online only. Well the buying aspect.
Hang in there, perhaps with a bit more time you will usurp Zorn's throne.
I think the irony of your post to zondorf is lost on you. If you need it explained to you, just ask.
Oh no. Even a lowly old fart like me understands what you were trying to convey. My point to Zorn I will explain to you though as you seem to have missed it in your haste to appear witty. The time it takes me to state my feelings about your beloved WOW is a very small percentage of the time and effort Zorn expends, finding obsure links , crafting walls of text which granted, are for the most a copy and paste job but still take time considering its done on every WOW post and many to threads of other games unrelated to WOW. So with all the time invested in his advertising I find it highly unlikely he spends much time ingame at all. Oh and the UK definition of throne as posted above is a pretty good definition for the WOW ultimate fan/advertiser seat as well.
Good.
Now compare the number of posts I make in EQ2 and LOTRO (Your supposed line of games) against the number of NON contributing posts (and pure negative trolling) you make on WOW in our WOW forums...
I can start with my number: ZERO.
What's your count ? And need I say never on topic since you already long stopped playing WOW so you have NO idea of the current playing mechanics.
Clearly a sign of 'there is something about Mary "....
Sorry pal, WOW didn't steel your players in your games. They simply left.
Oh BTW: this topic is "Cata - succes or failure ..." and you are VERY much in the thread (again).
The purpose to my post was to consider how much time you actually spend playing WOW considering how you stated there just wasnt enough time for you to do all the wonderful content. Considering your time consuming efforts to try disprove any negativity toward the game I doubt it leaves much time left for actually playing unless WOW play and WOW research is all you do in your waking hours. But if somehow you need to make your WOW obsession about me or other non believers feel free to do so it it makes you feel better. I am all about feeling good and having fun, which is why I no longer play your game.
most successfull game like wow ,aion and countless other title,have one thing in comon: THEY ARE AVAIL IN THE MALL OR IN THE WALMART YOU DO BUSINESS WITH! that and advertising is the only reason those game are high!lot of game maker hope player will adopt the buy online only !the fact are there most buy game card at target,time card and game at ebgame mall store not online only lol. name me one title ,just one that is as popular as say aion and that is buy online only! the sad truth in usa there are none,none!
Reality check: Aion is no longer succesful since it dropped from every best seller list since Nov 2009...
.... Aion is as of now in its post 3 month life cycle department also known as ... MMO's highway to hell in server pops.
Or do you really believe it is being played as much as Counterstrike (LOL). Take out those gold seller loggings and we don't speak about games with under 100K subs as "succesful".
its still the number 2 mmo on xfire list!so even tho usa might not play it its very popular somewhere else it doesnt stay number 2 by it self!
World of Warcraft is a really good product, however what is and will make them fail if they dont change fast, is their customer service. It is the worst I have ever seen in my life. They have no clue what each department is doing, one lifts a ban one day, another rebans the next. Long waits... plan on a 1 1/2 to 2 hour wait holding the phone to your ear to talk to them. They are just bad, people are leaving the game just because of their customer service.
World of Warcraft is a really good product, however what is and will make them fail if they dont change fast, is their customer service. It is the worst I have ever seen in my life. They have no clue what each department is doing, one lifts a ban one day, another rebans the next. Long waits... plan on a 1 1/2 to 2 hour wait holding the phone to your ear to talk to them. They are just bad, people are leaving the game just because of their customer service.
as long as they will be avail in our local store im sorry to say they will be big
Reskin an old area. Nerf a few of the old bosses. Add a few more dailies and an instance or two. Shiney new carrots um gear to chase. Shake and walaa....the next great time sink is born. Mindless zombies will wait in line to once again have a " new " area in which to wiggle their epeens. Of course it will be a success.
A bazillion people will buy the expansion pack and play the heck out of it for 3 months, then put it down and walk away and wait for the next one in 2 years, grumbling the whole time that they are looking for something different.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Hang in there, perhaps with a bit more time you will usurp Zorn's throne.
I think the irony of your post to zondorf is lost on you. If you need it explained to you, just ask.
Oh no. Even a lowly old fart like me understands what you were trying to convey. My point to Zorn I will explain to you though as you seem to have missed it in your haste to appear witty. The time it takes me to state my feelings about your beloved WOW is a very small percentage of the time and effort Zorn expends, finding obsure links , crafting walls of text which granted, are for the most a copy and paste job but still take time considering its done on every WOW post and many to threads of other games unrelated to WOW. So with all the time invested in his advertising I find it highly unlikely he spends much time ingame at all. Oh and the UK definition of throne as posted above is a pretty good definition for the WOW ultimate fan/advertiser seat as well.
I wasn't being witty, I was being factual.
You spend just as much time on these forums as zondorf does almost post for post, but think yourself superior to those your criticize. I find that a very strange message from you.
I will at least give credit to zondorf for having information to support his posts and not having to resort to toilet humor.
The wow haters will hate it. Even though they don't play it. Simply because they blame WoW for the death or underpopulation of thier favorite crap tastic dogpile of a buggy grind heavy game. Newsflash. When wow is gone, The majority of the people that it brought to the video game scene will just.... stop playing games...
The people that play wow will love it. Untill something pisses them off. Then they will threaten to leave the game unless there is swift and imeadiate action. Then they will unsubscribe when there isnt, go looking for something better, realize that everything else sucks balls in comparison and either A: become one of the jaded "anything but wow just because its cool to be anit wow" punks or B: go back and actually have fun.
Some will just have fun, and never butthurt. Actually probly most. Because the game isnt the point. The game exists for the people who play it, not the other way around. Blizz has always gotten this while most other games fail to grasp its true meaning. its just like not bringing the toon but the player.
I believe cataclysm will be a huge success. with awsome graphic upgrades and a guild system that places wow on the top of all mmorpg's for years to come.
No doubt "Cataclysm" will be a huge success, however I think Blizzard, by focusing their new MMO outside of fantasy, risks giving up their fantasy MMO crown to new MMO's within the next couple of years.
I was really surprised they are focusing on a Space FPS MMO. While such a game can be lucrative, I would have thought they would keep their lockdown on the fantasy MMO by issuing Cataclysm, then a new fantasy MMO a couple of years later.
No doubt "Cataclysm" will be a huge success, however I think Blizzard, by focusing their new MMO outside of fantasy, risks giving up their fantasy MMO crown to new MMO's within the next couple of years. I was really surprised they are focusing on a Space FPS MMO. While such a game can be lucrative, I would have thought they would keep their lockdown on the fantasy MMO by issuing Cataclysm, then a new fantasy MMO a couple of years later.
With the new film of Warcraft coming out now in 2011, who says Blizzard is not focusing on WOW?
I wouldn't bet for the expansion AFTER Cata to beat (again) all records with this.
Keep in mind LOTRO opened right after the highly succesful LOTR films and still managed to snatch defeat out from the jaws of victory.
I think WOW subs are dropping like flies, Blizz has lost much of its talented design team, and with their direction away from a new fantasy MMO and going sci-fi instead, they are giving up their crown.
I'm betting that within two years, WOW is not the top fantasy MMO.
I was under the impression that Sony Pictures scrapped spiderman 4 in favor of rebooting the entire franchise. Not that there wasn't trouble between Sam and Sony.
I think the entire mmo genre is on decline right now. It has been a long time since people were really given something new to be excited about and gets invested in for any length of time. 5 years is really a long time for an mmo to be this popular and the whole quit/return thing gets old for people after awhile without something good to go in between.
The only thing I hope from cataclysm is that it somehow sparks developers to stop making disposable content with expansions and somehow keep all of the game areas alive and somewhat meaningful. I don't think that will happen, but maybe.
As for the rumors of blizzards new mmo being a space shooter, I am skeptical to say the least. Also where is the info coming from that blizzard lost most of its talent? Just curious.
The idea of Cataclysm is the exact expansion EQ1 needs to revitalize the Everquest franchise. Unfortunately for SOE, Blizzard is once again a step ahead of them. It isn't too surprising, since most of the Blizzard's top devs used to be hardcore EQ1 players, and they know what players want out of their MMO's.
Games with a 5+ year history should revisit classic zones, and find ways to get people to go back to them. The history and nostalgia alone will get players to subscribe and play it. I don't know how it'll play out, but the idea of Cataclysm should be enough to get many who quit WoW before to resub again. It will be big, you don't have to like WoW to understand that. This expansion should attract new players from other MMO's....games where players wish their devs would do expansions such as Cataclysm for their games.
@zondorf I was under the impression that Sony Pictures scrapped spiderman 4 in favor of rebooting the entire franchise. Not that there wasn't trouble between Sam and Sony.
@pencilrick I think the entire mmo genre is on decline right now. It has been a long time since people were really given something new to be excited about and gets invested in for any length of time. 5 years is really a long time for an mmo to be this popular and the whole quit/return thing gets old for people after awhile without something good to go in between. The only thing I hope from cataclysm is that it somehow sparks developers to stop making disposable content with expansions and somehow keep all of the game areas alive and somewhat meaningful. I don't think that will happen, but maybe.
As for the rumors of blizzards new mmo being a space shooter, I am skeptical to say the least. Also where is the info coming from that blizzard lost most of its talent? Just curious.
I also sense they are not working on a Fantasy MMO. So, if Blizz and Blizz's expatriate talent team are not working on a new fantasy MMO, it looks like opportunity has once again fallen into the lap of Sony and Everquest Next (or FF XIV).
The idea of Cataclysm is the exact expansion EQ1 needs to revitalize the Everquest franchise. Unfortunately for SOE, Blizzard is once again a step ahead of them. It isn't too surprising, since most of the Blizzard's top devs used to be hardcore EQ1 players, and they know what players want out of their MMO's.
Games with a 5+ year history should revisit classic zones, and find ways to get people to go back to them. The history and nostalgia alone will get players to subscribe and play it. I don't know how it'll play out, but the idea of Cataclysm should be enough to get many who quit WoW before to resub again. It will be big, you don't have to like WoW to understand that. This expansion should attract new players from other MMO's....games where players wish their devs would do expansions such as Cataclysm for their games.
I used to believe that, but I am no longer certain. I tend to think that a totally new MMO is warranted.
I also sense they are not working on a Fantasy MMO. So, if Blizz and Blizz's expatriate talent team are not working on a new fantasy MMO, it looks like opportunity has once again fallen into the lap of Sony and Everquest Next (or FF XIV).
yeah, I have read the Red 5 studio stories before, but never really saw how many or who left blizzard other than a lead art designer. If I am correct that was over 4 years ago (unless some have recently joined?) and isn't the first time "top talent" has left blizzard to form their own company. Overall I am beginning to think that the company behind the employees is more important than the employees.
Bioware, Square Enix and Blizzard seem to have the right combination of management and employees to make magic happen where other companies don't.
Raph Koster, Richard Garriot, Brad Mcquaid, Bill Roper, Mark Jacobs, etc were all top talent at one point or another. When the right company isn't behind them they failed miserably. Just like some companies fail and underachieve no matter who they employ or contract. EA, SOE, Microsoft, etc.
For example I wouldn't count on soe to make the next big king of the throne fantasy game, because the management just isn't passionate about making games anyone. They are passionate about making new revenue models that "change the industry". When 5 million players try their latest game they can't fill 1 server I see no reason to expect greatness out of a company that has a long history of squandering some of the greatest potential in the genre.
I agree with your thoughts on the next final fantasy having potential to make big waves, but I also think a sleeper hit might come from a small indy company like studio 38 if their ability to run a studio matches their passion to make a game. Hopefully there isn't a new king, but several great games that cause fierce competition in the market and makes developers fight hard for our dollars.
What do you think, will wow cata be a dissapiontment, or will it make total domination on the mmo market ? Cataclysm is blizzards most expensive expansion pack they ever worked with, and it seems difrent a new then BC and WOTLK. I must admist i cant wait for it, and i think it will make total domination, and claim more of the mmo market. What do you think ?
For me there are only 2 possibilites:
1. To improve the new crappy content (BC and WoTLK) in the style of original WoW.
2. To ruin original content in the same way BC and WoTLK ruined WoW for me.
Most probably I will try that expansion as the other 2, and hope WoW will not disappoint me this time.
Hmm, that's a good question as to which direction will Blizzard take. The original team that designed original WoW did leave Blizzard so it's unlikely that they will go back to the roots. I don't have much faith in Kalgan either, he and his development efforts are why players like me ended up leaving WoW. I do have interest and am curious as to how Cataclysm turns out. But I definitely will not be rushing to buy it.
I'm also wondering how much will the whole game & xpac set cost. If you want to buy the game now and have no previous account, it's $40 for vanilla + TBC and $40 for WotLK. That is just absurd and not worth it. Will Blizzard force you still to buy those before accessing Cataclysm? I think this will be a major factor. There are simply better games that are significantly cheaper to start playing. I know most WoW players would not agree, but hey, that's why they are playing the current borderline retarded WoW.
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The only bored players in WOW these days (past patch 3.3) are the ones ... not playing the game.
Damned, PvP season is ending/starting in 2 weeks and I still don't have half my full set of Furious PvP gear and decent ratings. Not even talking about my last world adventure with my new leveling character or the research and hunt for bettering my appaling DPS output on my main's alt spec.
Only one solution: quit these silly forums and discussions with non playing players who simply have no clue.
Yes its obvious the game holds a tight grip on your interest from your lack of postings here. Between cheerleading and gear grinding im sure its hard to find time for anything else.
Pot, it's kettle on line one.
Hang in there, perhaps with a bit more time you will usurp Zorn's throne.
lol in the uk throne is slang for toilet
Pot, it's kettle on line one.
Hang in there, perhaps with a bit more time you will usurp Zorn's throne.
I think the irony of your post to zondorf is lost on you. If you need it explained to you, just ask.
I think the irony of your post to zondorf is lost on you. If you need it explained to you, just ask.
Oh no. Even a lowly old fart like me understands what you were trying to convey. My point to Zorn I will explain to you though as you seem to have missed it in your haste to appear witty. The time it takes me to state my feelings about your beloved WOW is a very small percentage of the time and effort Zorn expends, finding obsure links , crafting walls of text which granted, are for the most a copy and paste job but still take time considering its done on every WOW post and many to threads of other games unrelated to WOW. So with all the time invested in his advertising I find it highly unlikely he spends much time ingame at all. Oh and the UK definition of throne as posted above is a pretty good definition for the WOW ultimate fan/advertiser seat as well.
most successfull game like wow ,aion and countless other title,have one thing in comon:
THEY ARE AVAIL IN THE MALL OR IN THE WALMART YOU DO BUSINESS WITH!
that and advertising is the only reason those game are high!lot of game maker hope player will adopt the buy online only !the fact are there ;most buy game card at target,time card and game at ebgame mall store or other local store, not online lol.
name me one title ,just one that is as popular as say aion and that is buy online only!
the sad truth in usa there are none,none!
Global Agenda is steam only. Steam is online only. Well the buying aspect.
Everyone has opinions, but does that make them the universal truth??? NO!
too new to be even close to eq1 let alone aion lol
but their position on xfire is in 1 day 1193.it is 24 hour old right?i know it was released this week but i dont know when
I think the irony of your post to zondorf is lost on you. If you need it explained to you, just ask.
Oh no. Even a lowly old fart like me understands what you were trying to convey. My point to Zorn I will explain to you though as you seem to have missed it in your haste to appear witty. The time it takes me to state my feelings about your beloved WOW is a very small percentage of the time and effort Zorn expends, finding obsure links , crafting walls of text which granted, are for the most a copy and paste job but still take time considering its done on every WOW post and many to threads of other games unrelated to WOW. So with all the time invested in his advertising I find it highly unlikely he spends much time ingame at all. Oh and the UK definition of throne as posted above is a pretty good definition for the WOW ultimate fan/advertiser seat as well.
Good.
Now compare the number of posts I make in EQ2 and LOTRO (Your supposed line of games) against the number of NON contributing posts (and pure negative trolling) you make on WOW in our WOW forums...
I can start with my number: ZERO.
What's your count ? And need I say never on topic since you already long stopped playing WOW so you have NO idea of the current playing mechanics.
Clearly a sign of 'there is something about Mary "....
Sorry pal, WOW didn't steel your players in your games. They simply left.
Oh BTW: this topic is "Cata - succes or failure ..." and you are VERY much in the thread (again).
The purpose to my post was to consider how much time you actually spend playing WOW considering how you stated there just wasnt enough time for you to do all the wonderful content. Considering your time consuming efforts to try disprove any negativity toward the game I doubt it leaves much time left for actually playing unless WOW play and WOW research is all you do in your waking hours. But if somehow you need to make your WOW obsession about me or other non believers feel free to do so it it makes you feel better. I am all about feeling good and having fun, which is why I no longer play your game.
Reality check: Aion is no longer succesful since it dropped from every best seller list since Nov 2009...
.... Aion is as of now in its post 3 month life cycle department also known as ... MMO's highway to hell in server pops.
Or do you really believe it is being played as much as Counterstrike (LOL). Take out those gold seller loggings and we don't speak about games with under 100K subs as "succesful".
its still the number 2 mmo on xfire list!so even tho usa might not play it its very popular somewhere else it doesnt stay number 2 by it self!
World of Warcraft is a really good product, however what is and will make them fail if they dont change fast, is their customer service. It is the worst I have ever seen in my life. They have no clue what each department is doing, one lifts a ban one day, another rebans the next. Long waits... plan on a 1 1/2 to 2 hour wait holding the phone to your ear to talk to them. They are just bad, people are leaving the game just because of their customer service.
as long as they will be avail in our local store im sorry to say they will be big
Without an updated graphics engine its not WoW 2 . Its an expansion pack .
Reskin an old area. Nerf a few of the old bosses. Add a few more dailies and an instance or two. Shiney new carrots um gear to chase. Shake and walaa....the next great time sink is born. Mindless zombies will wait in line to once again have a " new " area in which to wiggle their epeens. Of course it will be a success.
A bazillion people will buy the expansion pack and play the heck out of it for 3 months, then put it down and walk away and wait for the next one in 2 years, grumbling the whole time that they are looking for something different.
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I think the irony of your post to zondorf is lost on you. If you need it explained to you, just ask.
Oh no. Even a lowly old fart like me understands what you were trying to convey. My point to Zorn I will explain to you though as you seem to have missed it in your haste to appear witty. The time it takes me to state my feelings about your beloved WOW is a very small percentage of the time and effort Zorn expends, finding obsure links , crafting walls of text which granted, are for the most a copy and paste job but still take time considering its done on every WOW post and many to threads of other games unrelated to WOW. So with all the time invested in his advertising I find it highly unlikely he spends much time ingame at all. Oh and the UK definition of throne as posted above is a pretty good definition for the WOW ultimate fan/advertiser seat as well.
I wasn't being witty, I was being factual.
You spend just as much time on these forums as zondorf does almost post for post, but think yourself superior to those your criticize. I find that a very strange message from you.
I will at least give credit to zondorf for having information to support his posts and not having to resort to toilet humor.
Yeah:
When talking about other MMOs' graphics: Gameplay is everything, back then we played MUDs and we loved them.
When talking about WoW's graphics: When the hell are they gonna upgrade the graphics?! They suck so hard.
The wow haters will hate it. Even though they don't play it. Simply because they blame WoW for the death or underpopulation of thier favorite crap tastic dogpile of a buggy grind heavy game. Newsflash. When wow is gone, The majority of the people that it brought to the video game scene will just.... stop playing games...
The people that play wow will love it. Untill something pisses them off. Then they will threaten to leave the game unless there is swift and imeadiate action. Then they will unsubscribe when there isnt, go looking for something better, realize that everything else sucks balls in comparison and either A: become one of the jaded "anything but wow just because its cool to be anit wow" punks or B: go back and actually have fun.
Some will just have fun, and never butthurt. Actually probly most. Because the game isnt the point. The game exists for the people who play it, not the other way around. Blizz has always gotten this while most other games fail to grasp its true meaning. its just like not bringing the toon but the player.
I believe cataclysm will be a huge success. with awsome graphic upgrades and a guild system that places wow on the top of all mmorpg's for years to come.
Sanity is a delusion. The only truth is madness.
I predict that it will be a huge success. I know I personally can't wait for the bombs to fall.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
No doubt "Cataclysm" will be a huge success, however I think Blizzard, by focusing their new MMO outside of fantasy, risks giving up their fantasy MMO crown to new MMO's within the next couple of years.
I was really surprised they are focusing on a Space FPS MMO. While such a game can be lucrative, I would have thought they would keep their lockdown on the fantasy MMO by issuing Cataclysm, then a new fantasy MMO a couple of years later.
With the new film of Warcraft coming out now in 2011, who says Blizzard is not focusing on WOW?
http://www.fusedfilm.com/2010/01/sam-raimi-moves-on-to-world-of-warcraft-film/
Spiderman4 just was dumped by Sam Raimi ...
I wouldn't bet for the expansion AFTER Cata to beat (again) all records with this.
Keep in mind LOTRO opened right after the highly succesful LOTR films and still managed to snatch defeat out from the jaws of victory.
I think WOW subs are dropping like flies, Blizz has lost much of its talented design team, and with their direction away from a new fantasy MMO and going sci-fi instead, they are giving up their crown.
I'm betting that within two years, WOW is not the top fantasy MMO.
@zondorf
I was under the impression that Sony Pictures scrapped spiderman 4 in favor of rebooting the entire franchise. Not that there wasn't trouble between Sam and Sony.
@pencilrick
I think the entire mmo genre is on decline right now. It has been a long time since people were really given something new to be excited about and gets invested in for any length of time. 5 years is really a long time for an mmo to be this popular and the whole quit/return thing gets old for people after awhile without something good to go in between.
The only thing I hope from cataclysm is that it somehow sparks developers to stop making disposable content with expansions and somehow keep all of the game areas alive and somewhat meaningful. I don't think that will happen, but maybe.
As for the rumors of blizzards new mmo being a space shooter, I am skeptical to say the least. Also where is the info coming from that blizzard lost most of its talent? Just curious.
The idea of Cataclysm is the exact expansion EQ1 needs to revitalize the Everquest franchise. Unfortunately for SOE, Blizzard is once again a step ahead of them. It isn't too surprising, since most of the Blizzard's top devs used to be hardcore EQ1 players, and they know what players want out of their MMO's.
Games with a 5+ year history should revisit classic zones, and find ways to get people to go back to them. The history and nostalgia alone will get players to subscribe and play it. I don't know how it'll play out, but the idea of Cataclysm should be enough to get many who quit WoW before to resub again. It will be big, you don't have to like WoW to understand that. This expansion should attract new players from other MMO's....games where players wish their devs would do expansions such as Cataclysm for their games.
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I heard some top Blizzard dev's went to Red 5 Studios. http://www.red5studios.com/en/
I also sense they are not working on a Fantasy MMO. So, if Blizz and Blizz's expatriate talent team are not working on a new fantasy MMO, it looks like opportunity has once again fallen into the lap of Sony and Everquest Next (or FF XIV).
I used to believe that, but I am no longer certain. I tend to think that a totally new MMO is warranted.
yeah, I have read the Red 5 studio stories before, but never really saw how many or who left blizzard other than a lead art designer. If I am correct that was over 4 years ago (unless some have recently joined?) and isn't the first time "top talent" has left blizzard to form their own company. Overall I am beginning to think that the company behind the employees is more important than the employees.
Bioware, Square Enix and Blizzard seem to have the right combination of management and employees to make magic happen where other companies don't.
Raph Koster, Richard Garriot, Brad Mcquaid, Bill Roper, Mark Jacobs, etc were all top talent at one point or another. When the right company isn't behind them they failed miserably. Just like some companies fail and underachieve no matter who they employ or contract. EA, SOE, Microsoft, etc.
For example I wouldn't count on soe to make the next big king of the throne fantasy game, because the management just isn't passionate about making games anyone. They are passionate about making new revenue models that "change the industry". When 5 million players try their latest game they can't fill 1 server I see no reason to expect greatness out of a company that has a long history of squandering some of the greatest potential in the genre.
I agree with your thoughts on the next final fantasy having potential to make big waves, but I also think a sleeper hit might come from a small indy company like studio 38 if their ability to run a studio matches their passion to make a game. Hopefully there isn't a new king, but several great games that cause fierce competition in the market and makes developers fight hard for our dollars.
Yeah yeah, big dreams.
For me there are only 2 possibilites:
1. To improve the new crappy content (BC and WoTLK) in the style of original WoW.
2. To ruin original content in the same way BC and WoTLK ruined WoW for me.
Most probably I will try that expansion as the other 2, and hope WoW will not disappoint me this time.
Hmm, that's a good question as to which direction will Blizzard take. The original team that designed original WoW did leave Blizzard so it's unlikely that they will go back to the roots. I don't have much faith in Kalgan either, he and his development efforts are why players like me ended up leaving WoW. I do have interest and am curious as to how Cataclysm turns out. But I definitely will not be rushing to buy it.
I'm also wondering how much will the whole game & xpac set cost. If you want to buy the game now and have no previous account, it's $40 for vanilla + TBC and $40 for WotLK. That is just absurd and not worth it. Will Blizzard force you still to buy those before accessing Cataclysm? I think this will be a major factor. There are simply better games that are significantly cheaper to start playing. I know most WoW players would not agree, but hey, that's why they are playing the current borderline retarded WoW.
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