Originally posted by MadnessRealm I actually stopped DarkFall too (temporarily I hope).
So many things in DarkFall that I would love to try but it's only accessible by the strongest guild..... it's come to the point where it's annoying. I mean, let's be honest, small guilds can hardly survive nor access the "end-game". Alright you can get a Ship, but you lack the manpower to use all the cannons and the extra members to heal or repair ship while your enemy is coming your way with a Ship-Of-The-Line, 30 players shooting cannon balls at you, 50 players throwing nukes at you, etc.
Then there's the crafting where you can't craft important items (Astrolabe, Orb of Might, etc) .....the crazy inflation on the market, the greedy community who can only answer you with "Well deal with it and shut up and go grind your wood". There's also the obvious exploits around towns, the shitty alignement system, name them all.
So many things Aventurine has yet to fix and it won't get fixed for a while longer, which is why I hope to stop temporarily only. I mean, let's be honest, the game is awesome, but it does have many issues and if you say the game is perfectly fine, you are insane.
Oh well, it was fun while it last and hopefully AV will listen to some of the many great suggestions on the forum to fix the game. For now I'll be looking for a new game kill time.
Hmmmm.....have you tried Ryzom? It's skill based, everything is player made, the housing system is about the same as DF, open world to explore, and pvp is consensual with pvp areas. The skill system is kind of interesting in that you can mix and match skills sets (aka stanzas) to make your own attacks, spells, buffs, heals, etc. I've been playing it on the side and right now am debating between this game and Ryzom.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Aventurine should fix what all had been saying from day 1 of beta: consequences for PvP, balancing the choices for players who are not that interested in it. Right now, it looks as if the only goal of the game is to engage in PvP which is a pity really, given all the other gameplay potential it could have.
Originally posted by Knifo I love darkfall the way it is, therefore I will continue to pay and play. You dont like it how it is, so find another game. its that simple.
The problem is that majority of people willing to pay for that game think like me, not like you. Considering how small the market for full loot pvp MMORPG is, AV will take steps to make their game attractive for that small majority, minority is not enough to support this game.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
I love darkfall the way it is, therefore I will continue to pay and play. You dont like it how it is, so find another game. its that simple.
The problem is that majority of people willing to pay for that game think like me, not like you.
Considering how small the market for full loot pvp MMORPG is, AV will take steps to make their game attractive for that small majority, minority is not enough to support this game.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
We only talk about the stats issue and nothing else. All ther other stuff DF got are perfect. SWG probably made their game more carebearish so i understand why the will fans left and i would had followed them too. In DF, we dont want anything to change. All we want is us as newb's to catch up on stats only between 1 to 3 months.
soon as they kill the only long term progression left in the game I will prob start looking for another game. PVP mmos is character development. This is a niche game for a "hardcore" pvper audience, quit trying to turn it into a game that appeals to lazy whiners. Welcome to long term character progression, deal with it or find an easier game.
So you are only in Darkfall to grind your char mr. "I will leave if I cant level anymore". Did you leave the moment you got to level cap in your other mmos too?
I do hope you leave so we can replace you with 1000 real pvpers. And I`m laughing at your "hardcore pvp audience" you are nothing but a hardcore grinder who like to kill low level players. NO pvper likes to grind, we like to pvp. Every single thing we do in a game is to get better in pvp. We kill mobs to raise our skill, get money, gear or mats for a better enchant. We pvper wouldn`t harm a monster if we didn`t have to.
And yes you are right, Darkfall is a niche game for 3 k high level players at the moment. We will never grow, and you will get less and less new players to kill. In the end my game will die, and you grindlovers fail to see that fakt.
For you new players, we don`t have huge battles in Darkfall anymore. My alliance manage to get 15 players when we attack another alliance two days ago. That alliance had 30 players. A third alliance tried yo kill us later with the enormous number of 13 players. This is the numbers we get in our normal "large" battles these days. It sucks, but this is the real Darkfall. You will fight the same 100 players all the time. We hardly get any new players because the grind is so huge. When you get your char to a combat level after a year, only 5% of you playing time is pvp, 95% is still boring grind.
I actually stopped DarkFall too (temporarily I hope).
So many things in DarkFall that I would love to try but it's only accessible by the strongest guild..... it's come to the point where it's annoying. I mean, let's be honest, small guilds can hardly survive nor access the "end-game". Alright you can get a Ship, but you lack the manpower to use all the cannons and the extra members to heal or repair ship while your enemy is coming your way with a Ship-Of-The-Line, 30 players shooting cannon balls at you, 50 players throwing nukes at you, etc. Then there's the crafting where you can't craft important items (Astrolabe, Orb of Might, etc) .....the crazy inflation on the market, the greedy community who can only answer you with "Well deal with it and shut up and go grind your wood". There's also the obvious exploits around towns, the shitty alignement system, name them all. So many things Aventurine has yet to fix and it won't get fixed for a while longer, which is why I hope to stop temporarily only. I mean, let's be honest, the game is awesome, but it does have many issues and if you say the game is perfectly fine, you are insane. Oh well, it was fun while it last and hopefully AV will listen to some of the many great suggestions on the forum to fix the game. For now I'll be looking for a new game kill time.
Hmmmm.....have you tried Ryzom? It's skill based, everything is player made, the housing system is about the same as DF, open world to explore, and pvp is consensual with pvp areas. The skill system is kind of interesting in that you can mix and match skills sets (aka stanzas) to make your own attacks, spells, buffs, heals, etc. I've been playing it on the side and right now am debating between this game and Ryzom.
The housing system is superior in DF.
The ability to place and build buildings for clans is also very limited compared to DF.
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I love darkfall the way it is, therefore I will continue to pay and play. You dont like it how it is, so find another game. its that simple.
The problem is that majority of people willing to pay for that game think like me, not like you.
Considering how small the market for full loot pvp MMORPG is, AV will take steps to make their game attractive for that small majority, minority is not enough to support this game.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
We only whine about the stats issue and when that gets handed to us, we will just move onto the next thing. All ther other stuff DF got are perfect. SWG probably made their game more carebearish so i understand why the will fans left and i would had followed them too, but somehow this is different and won't happen if DFO. In DF, we want to have a much easier time developing our character than those who came before us. All we want is us carebears to catch up on stats with much less effort than those players who stuck with Darkfall through the hard times.
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I put a lot of time into developing my character Developing your character is part of the competition in these pvpmmorpgs. Why should I have my time wasted just because you don't want to put as much effort into developing your character as everyone else?
If you wanted things be on an even level with everyone else you should have played Darkfall from the beginning. You come in late like this and you should expect to be at a disadvantage. Instead of putting forth the effort to develop your character like everyone else you whine that the game should be changed so that you can compete with those players with much less effort. You are the exact definition of a game killing carebear.
everyone will bitch about any percieved disadvantage they have, even if those disadvantages are miniscule. So many people used to whine about some players having maxed rigor and blamed that as the reason why they lost in pvp even though having max rigor only reduces damage by .5.
You don't need uber stats to pvp, its so stupid that people think you need to grind stats before you can pvp. skills > stats in pvp. Get your skills up, then you can whine about having to grind stats to be competitive.
Quit trying to kill the only long term progression left in the game. Not all new players want a free ride to the top like you guys do. A lot of new players realise they have to pay their dues like everyone else if they want to be competitive in 1v1 against someone who has put much more time into developing their character.
Stat gains are already fast enough for new characters. If stat gains are increased, the whiners will just move onto the next thing and the players who want a hard, competitive game will start keeping their eyes open for another game that doesn't waste their time and cater to lazy whiners.
My suggestion to you people whining about having to grind stats before you can pvp is to find an easier game where you are handed everything you need right when you log into the game so you don't have to work for anything.
even though I disagree since this game is a grind fest and there is leveling in it (a different type) that does not separate it from others, in time this game will be great; but i hear you on the goblins.....good lord....i killed many myself.
Hmmmm.....have you tried Ryzom? It's skill based, everything is player made, the housing system is about the same as DF, open world to explore, and pvp is consensual with pvp areas. The skill system is kind of interesting in that you can mix and match skills sets (aka stanzas) to make your own attacks, spells, buffs, heals, etc. I've been playing it on the side and right now am debating between this game and Ryzom.
The housing system is superior in DF.
The ability to place and build buildings for clans is also very limited compared to DF.
I don't know what Ryzom looks like but DF 's Housing system/Player City is pretty limited too. While you can add buildings, it already has a pre-set location that you cannot change. Though I don't care much about that and I actually prefer it this way.
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Might look at Ryzom though I'll probably look at EVE and Fallen Earth and see how things goes. Doubt I'll try Mortal Online.
I've just switched to Darkfall and i think its bloody brilliant. The combat system is ace. The ability to kill ANY player is fantastic. In so many games you get those idiots who keep stealing your mobs, looting your drops etc... etc... but in this game, as i have done already since only playing 2 days, if someone keeps trying to steal my loot or keep on hitting me with arrows or spells accidently or not, i'll slaughter them. Wait for them to become a tomb and loot their equipment. But then, they could group up with a friend and destroy me, getting their gear back and mine in the process. Its a great vicious circle. As for your Goblin issue. Like others have said, there are many other mobs. BUT, i find the fact the goblins hide behind objects, move around, have realistic attacking range etc... i could kill them all day. Its a great challenge. I guess thats just me though since you say the combat is thrilling, maybe for you not THAT thrilling afterall. After joining NEW earlier tonight, finding out what level my stats need to be before i can hold my own against the majority of higher end players, it will not take a year to have "fun". To me, i'm already having fun. BUT if you mean fun to be high scale pvp battles, then no, i think saying it will take a year is a bit silly.
Just as a side note. I hear a lot of people complaining about ganking. I've been ganked twice in two days by the same guy within 5 minutes. He was some badass Ork that killed me in 3 hits. I lost all my gear. Did i cry, no. Why? because i know i will have my revenge one day and loot his .
No one is complaining about ganking. Ganking happens, and it's expected in a game like this. I've been ganked a great deal of times already, and I accept that as part of the package.
However, do not assume that if something is ok for you, then it's ok, period. You have barely scratched the surface, and you will, in time, feel the weight of problems that are being discussed here.
I have fun playing, pursuing my personal objectives. However, I accept that there is room for improvement, and that's what I'm discussing here. Don't become a blind follower, accepting everything that's in the game as good. Criticism leads to improvement, always.
I think your looking into my post a little too deep. I was simply stating my opinion and experiences within the game since i've started playing. Not one time did i assume that if something is ok for me, then its ok for everyone else. I simply stated my opinion on the OP and contributed my opinion on the game.
You say don't become a blind follower. Looks like your assuming i am? or is that just your opinion? does it matter? no. Same for what i have posted Strix.
I'm all for constructive criticism, however everything in the game i've experience is good in, again, my opinion.
Remember, this is a discussion forum, where we are all entitled to our own OPINION. I'm not making any assumptions nor following no one.
I love darkfall the way it is, therefore I will continue to pay and play. You dont like it how it is, so find another game. its that simple.
The problem is that majority of people willing to pay for that game think like me, not like you.
Considering how small the market for full loot pvp MMORPG is, AV will take steps to make their game attractive for that small majority, minority is not enough to support this game.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
We only whine about the stats issue and when that gets handed to us, we will just move onto the next thing. All ther other stuff DF got are perfect. SWG probably made their game more carebearish so i understand why the will fans left and i would had followed them too, but somehow this is different and won't happen if DFO. In DF, we want to have a much easier time developing our character than those who came before us. All we want is us carebears to catch up on stats with much less effort than those players who stuck with Darkfall through the hard times.
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I put a lot of time into developing my character Developing your character is part of the competition in these pvpmmorpgs. Why should I have my time wasted just because you don't want to put as much effort into developing your character as everyone else?
If you wanted things be on an even level with everyone else you should have played Darkfall from the beginning. You come in late like this and you should expect to be at a disadvantage. Instead of putting forth the effort to develop your character like everyone else you whine that the game should be changed so that you can compete with those players with much less effort. You are the exact definition of a game killing carebear.
everyone will bitch about any percieved disadvantage they have, even if those disadvantages are miniscule. So many people used to whine about some players having maxed rigor and blamed that as the reason why they lost in pvp even though having max rigor only reduces damage by .5.
You don't need uber stats to pvp, its so stupid that people think you need to grind stats before you can pvp. skills > stats in pvp. Get your skills up, then you can whine about having to grind stats to be competitive.
Quit trying to kill the only long term progression left in the game. Not all new players want a free ride to the top like you guys do. A lot of new players realise they have to pay their dues like everyone else if they want to be competitive in 1v1 against someone who has put much more time into developing their character.
Stat gains are already fast enough for new characters. If stat gains are increased, the whiners will just move onto the next thing and the players who want a hard, competitive game will start keeping their eyes open for another game that doesn't waste their time and cater to lazy whiners.
My suggestion to you people whining about having to grind stats before you can pvp is to find an easier game where you are handed everything you need right when you log into the game so you don't have to work for anything.
From your definition of carebear, it seem like most of the official darkfall players are are all carebears because bunch of ppl whine about the stats. Even vets them self whine about it because some of them are not selfish like you.
My word come from what i read from the official forum.
When i played wow,( and dont call me a carebear for that because its just a scenario i had) I had a lvl 70 friend. He invited me to play wow and i said to him that i will beat him in PVP one day even if he do pvp most of the time( some raid too...) So then, i hit lvl 70 under 2 months. Then, i had to get my pvp gears and after that, i challenged him and win because i was basically better then him as a player.
In DF, it might take from 6 months to a year to being able to kill your elder and you call me carebear because i whine about it? You are the carebear because you dont want your young ones to have a chance to catch you and own you with their potential player skill. Watch them rush in MO when they all get sick of the grind.
Please, stop saying the word carebear because you dont know what it means.
I love darkfall the way it is, therefore I will continue to pay and play. You dont like it how it is, so find another game. its that simple.
The problem is that majority of people willing to pay for that game think like me, not like you.
Considering how small the market for full loot pvp MMORPG is, AV will take steps to make their game attractive for that small majority, minority is not enough to support this game.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
We only whine about the stats issue and when that gets handed to us, we will just move onto the next thing. All ther other stuff DF got are perfect. SWG probably made their game more carebearish so i understand why the will fans left and i would had followed them too, but somehow this is different and won't happen if DFO. In DF, we want to have a much easier time developing our character than those who came before us. All we want is us carebears to catch up on stats with much less effort than those players who stuck with Darkfall through the hard times.
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I put a lot of time into developing my character Developing your character is part of the competition in these pvpmmorpgs. Why should I have my time wasted just because you don't want to put as much effort into developing your character as everyone else?
If you wanted things be on an even level with everyone else you should have played Darkfall from the beginning. You come in late like this and you should expect to be at a disadvantage. Instead of putting forth the effort to develop your character like everyone else you whine that the game should be changed so that you can compete with those players with much less effort. You are the exact definition of a game killing carebear.
everyone will bitch about any percieved disadvantage they have, even if those disadvantages are miniscule. So many people used to whine about some players having maxed rigor and blamed that as the reason why they lost in pvp even though having max rigor only reduces damage by .5.
You don't need uber stats to pvp, its so stupid that people think you need to grind stats before you can pvp. skills > stats in pvp. Get your skills up, then you can whine about having to grind stats to be competitive.
Quit trying to kill the only long term progression left in the game. Not all new players want a free ride to the top like you guys do. A lot of new players realise they have to pay their dues like everyone else if they want to be competitive in 1v1 against someone who has put much more time into developing their character.
Stat gains are already fast enough for new characters. If stat gains are increased, the whiners will just move onto the next thing and the players who want a hard, competitive game will start keeping their eyes open for another game that doesn't waste their time and cater to lazy whiners.
My suggestion to you people whining about having to grind stats before you can pvp is to find an easier game where you are handed everything you need right when you log into the game so you don't have to work for anything.
From your definition of carebear, it seem like most of the official darkfall players are are all carebears because bunch of ppl whine about the stats. Even vets them self whine about it because some of them are not selfish like you.
My word come from what i read from the official forum.
You are the carebear because you dont want your young ones to have a chance to catch you and own you with their potential player skill.
if most of the darkfall players wanted increased stat gains you would see a whole lot more threads for it. You are the minority of vocal whiners who continuously tries to make the game easier for you so you don't have to put as much effort into developing your character as someone else. That is my definition of carebear.
I'm a carebear because I don't want new players to have it much easier than I did? You think you will never catch up? There is a stat and skill cap and you say you will never be able to catch up? please, you are just being selfish and want an easy ride.
When it all boils down to it, you just want things made easy for you so you don't have to work as hard as everyone else. How is it fair to veterans to let newer players have an easier time than those who spent months developing their characters? Find an easier game and quit trying to ruin mine. If I can't 2v1 I will not be playing DFO anymore. I put a lot of time into my character so I could fight multiple enemies at a time and have a chance to win. You talk of fairness in pvp but how would it be fair to me and others like me if it took me 6 months to reach 350 hps and then tommorow they make it so you can do it in 1 month?
Selfish lazy whiners if you ask me. You are not the majority.
I love darkfall the way it is, therefore I will continue to pay and play. You dont like it how it is, so find another game. its that simple.
The problem is that majority of people willing to pay for that game think like me, not like you.
Considering how small the market for full loot pvp MMORPG is, AV will take steps to make their game attractive for that small majority, minority is not enough to support this game.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
We only whine about the stats issue and when that gets handed to us, we will just move onto the next thing. All ther other stuff DF got are perfect. SWG probably made their game more carebearish so i understand why the will fans left and i would had followed them too, but somehow this is different and won't happen if DFO. In DF, we want to have a much easier time developing our character than those who came before us. All we want is us carebears to catch up on stats with much less effort than those players who stuck with Darkfall through the hard times.
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I put a lot of time into developing my character Developing your character is part of the competition in these pvpmmorpgs. Why should I have my time wasted just because you don't want to put as much effort into developing your character as everyone else?
If you wanted things be on an even level with everyone else you should have played Darkfall from the beginning. You come in late like this and you should expect to be at a disadvantage. Instead of putting forth the effort to develop your character like everyone else you whine that the game should be changed so that you can compete with those players with much less effort. You are the exact definition of a game killing carebear.
everyone will bitch about any percieved disadvantage they have, even if those disadvantages are miniscule. So many people used to whine about some players having maxed rigor and blamed that as the reason why they lost in pvp even though having max rigor only reduces damage by .5.
You don't need uber stats to pvp, its so stupid that people think you need to grind stats before you can pvp. skills > stats in pvp. Get your skills up, then you can whine about having to grind stats to be competitive.
Quit trying to kill the only long term progression left in the game. Not all new players want a free ride to the top like you guys do. A lot of new players realise they have to pay their dues like everyone else if they want to be competitive in 1v1 against someone who has put much more time into developing their character.
Stat gains are already fast enough for new characters. If stat gains are increased, the whiners will just move onto the next thing and the players who want a hard, competitive game will start keeping their eyes open for another game that doesn't waste their time and cater to lazy whiners.
My suggestion to you people whining about having to grind stats before you can pvp is to find an easier game where you are handed everything you need right when you log into the game so you don't have to work for anything.
From your definition of carebear, it seem like most of the official darkfall players are are all carebears because bunch of ppl whine about the stats. Even vets them self whine about it because some of them are not selfish like you.
My word come from what i read from the official forum.
You are the carebear because you dont want your young ones to have a chance to catch you and own you with their potential player skill.
if most of the darkfall players wanted increased stat gains you would see a whole lot more threads for it. You are the minority of vocal whiners who continuously tries to make the game easier for you so you don't have to put as much effort into developing your character as someone else. That is my definition of carebear.
I'm a carebear because I don't want new players to have it much easier than I did? You think you will never catch up? There is a stat and skill cap and you say you will never be able to catch up? please, you are just being selfish and want an easy ride.
When it all boils down to it, you just want things made easy for you so you don't have to work as hard as everyone else. How is it fair to veterans to let newer players have an easier time than those who spent months developing their characters? Find an easier game and quit trying to ruin mine. If I can't 2v1 I will not be playing DFO anymore. I put a lot of time into my character so I could fight multiple enemies at a time and have a chance to win. You talk of fairness in pvp but how would it be fair to me and others like me if it took me 6 months to reach 350 hps and then tommorow they make it so you can do it in 1 month?
Selfish lazy whiners if you ask me. You are not the majority.
1st paragraph: find an other word instead of ruining the reason why we say carebear or go simply watch the show and figure out how to put it in an argument. We call ourself carebear when we request the game to get some safezone or me as a newb, being unkillable to an end player. WOW for example is a game full of carebear because its not open world pvp, there is bunch of safe zone and theme park like it is, the whole game guide the kids who are lost. Im telling you, go watch the carebears show, its exactly like that and dont try to change the definition just to seem cool on the internet because every one say's it.
2: yes you are a carebear because you want a huge time delay between the time a new player is joining your game and the time he will be able to kill you in a 1 on 1. You are rejecting all the potential pro gamers and your only competition are the same player. For example, krankone husler only rivial at equal lvl is Evenar Mortred. When do you think an other player will surpass them, never, as long that they are still playing because only few are challenging them and you wont see any newcomer trying to challenge 1 of them after 1 to 3 months in a 1 on 1 with price gold that they bet themself.
3: I dont want it easier, i just dont want to work because im lazy like you said. Lazy for a game, and always ready for the real world. There is a different between playing and working and you cant get across that so you dont understand us. We dont play 8 hours a day. I dont care, they can make mobs smarter, even more stronger more smart to give us a hard time to catch up, but as long that i can catch up between 1 to 3 months, its all good. I mentioned hard time, not long time. See the difference?
4: Im not a selfish, im a sheep. I want what others want and the DF official forum is not fully crowded then before launch and with that being said, the amount of few players connecting in total there, the amount of thread about stats, the amount of posters that try to make a change compared to those not wanting is high enough.
Im glad to be lazy then looking like the fat guy from Make love not warcraft and speaking about make love not warcraft, this was not a parody of world of warcraft, but a parody of darkfall online. You vets are the fat guy killing in the newb town and you vets are also the 4 kids who play without sleeping by drinking redbull, cofe, looking all chubby with dots on your faces, and after 6 months or even more(because notice that they didint macro there) They can finally challenge the capped character naked with an helmet only and own him. Why 4 vs 1, because they would never being able to win a 1 vs 1 since the fat guy play since the launch of wow while the 4 kids started as newb's. They cant catch up to win a 1 on 1.
When it all boils down to it, you just want things made easy for you so you don't have to work as hard as everyone else. How is it fair to veterans to let newer players have an easier time than those who spent months developing their characters?
Well potential new players, you hear it from the master here. He admit Darkfall is hard work and new players wont have an easy time.
What he fails to tell you is we vets had it easy. We could afk swim, afk macro, train spell at bugged mobs and harvest non moving and non hitting mobs This was sadly fixed the last patch, and you will now get banned if you macro. The grind in Darkfall is worse than all mainstream pve mmo's you have tried before, trust me. To make it even worse for you new players, you will be killed by players like Trashburning here for a year if you try to catch up.
So from a betatester and a vet Darkfall player, stay away from this game for now. If AV lessen the huge grind you should try it out.
Why not just make a 2nd "Noobie" server to attract new players who are wary of old-school/vet players? Then merge the servers every 3 months, basically resetting the "Noobie" server.
This idea could help for a fresh population of players to be introduced every 3 months into the "Main/Expert" server?
haha funny, I dont macro at all and my only skill at 100 is archery. I have no desire to reach endgame yet because I like being rewarded for my time I put in unlike you noobs.
Learn to play the game the right way and stop asking for easymode from the Devs. Look for the right PvE hotspots and grind. Go to brownies for Defense skills. Etc Etc.
I remember someone posted an awesome post on these forums about how to reach endgame PvP skills in 2 months time. READ THAT SHIT AND STOP THE QQ. He said to clearly do all of the achievement quests as soon as you can and grind a single weapon mastery, archery and specific magic schools. Once you do this, which can be done in 8 weeks time, you will be dominating. Is that not good enough for you noobs?
When it all boils down to it, you just want things made easy for you so you don't have to work as hard as everyone else. How is it fair to veterans to let newer players have an easier time than those who spent months developing their characters?
Well potential new players, you hear it from the master here. He admit Darkfall is hard work and new players wont have an easy time.
What he fails to tell you is we vets had it easy. We could afk swim, afk macro, train spell at bugged mobs and harvest non moving and non hitting mobs This was sadly fixed the last patch, and you will now get banned if you macro. The grind in Darkfall is worse than all mainstream pve mmo's you have tried before, trust me. To make it even worse for you new players, you will be killed by players like Trashburning here for a year if you try to catch up.
So from a betatester and a vet Darkfall player, stay away from this game for now. If AV lessen the huge grind you should try it out.
And get banned just the same, spend 20,000,000 gold on 1 spell school, spend 100,000 on archery, spend 3months getting 1 melee mastery, etc. The "vets" had to put in more time than the new people in everything, the only reason macoring was so rampant is because all game time had to be spent aquireing massive amount of gold or regs to level. Seriously, STFU
haha funny, I dont macro at all and my only skill at 100 is archery. I have no desire to reach endgame yet because I like being rewarded for my time I put in unlike you noobs.
Learn to play the game the right way and stop asking for easymode from the Devs. Look for the right PvE hotspots and grind. Go to brownies for Defense skills. Etc Etc.
I remember someone posted an awesome post on these forums about how to reach endgame PvP skills in 2 months time. READ THAT SHIT AND STOP THE QQ. He said to clearly do all of the achievement quests as soon as you can and grind a single weapon mastery, archery and specific magic schools. Once you do this, which can be done in 8 weeks time, you will be dominating. Is that not good enough for you noobs?
You mean my guide? :ohno:
Well, this is not freedom at all. ITs runescapish. I played runescape and i was a pure STR. It was really really really boring to go there. Pure str to be good at pvp BTW by trying to max str, max range, 40 att, 1 def, pray 40 was really really boring. What i had to do, killing chicken 1st and collecting their bones without eating them and put all in bank teal i had enough to kill cow. After cow, the monks, after the monks, the giant hill, after the giant, i would be ready to pvp, but if i wanted to be even more competitive, i had to grind even more on the next monster lvl and its just boring as hell because you do the same thing the whole time. Then i had to do it again to raise my bow. After that, i had to sell my total bones collected and buy big bones and kill hill giant and eat their bones teal i had 40 pray.
Im not joking when i say that RS and DF got the same grind system. Its just so boring that you want to stop.RS in his part is still popular because players play that game for the pve aspect and they are not pvp focus player like i was trying to be. DF in his part, is not a pvp game
With that being said, DF is not a pve focus game, but a pvp. PVE grind should not be done that way. (goblin 1st, troll after, this after this after is just boring) I want to play the game not working. Let me explore from the start, let me take my time the way i want after 1 to 3 months, let me be able to be good at pvp competitively even if i was not working, but instead trying to enjoy the game.
We dont mind about the skills, but the stats are a real problem.
haha funny, I dont macro at all and my only skill at 100 is archery. I have no desire to reach endgame yet because I like being rewarded for my time I put in unlike you noobs.
Learn to play the game the right way and stop asking for easymode from the Devs. Look for the right PvE hotspots and grind. Go to brownies for Defense skills. Etc Etc.
I remember someone posted an awesome post on these forums about how to reach endgame PvP skills in 2 months time. READ THAT SHIT AND STOP THE QQ. He said to clearly do all of the achievement quests as soon as you can and grind a single weapon mastery, archery and specific magic schools. Once you do this, which can be done in 8 weeks time, you will be dominating. Is that not good enough for you noobs?
You mean my guide? :ohno:
We dont mind about the skills, but the stats are a real problem.
STATS DON"T MATTER YOU ONCE YOU HAVE 300 HP. And darkfall and runescape don't have the same grind pattern, this is a efficentcy newbie easy mode guide. You can kill anything in the game, not just what I told you, to get your stats/skills up. The difference is you may not make as much bank doing it.
PS: Just admit you want planet side and not an MMORPG
haha funny, I dont macro at all and my only skill at 100 is archery. I have no desire to reach endgame yet because I like being rewarded for my time I put in unlike you noobs.
Learn to play the game the right way and stop asking for easymode from the Devs. Look for the right PvE hotspots and grind. Go to brownies for Defense skills. Etc Etc.
I remember someone posted an awesome post on these forums about how to reach endgame PvP skills in 2 months time. READ THAT SHIT AND STOP THE QQ. He said to clearly do all of the achievement quests as soon as you can and grind a single weapon mastery, archery and specific magic schools. Once you do this, which can be done in 8 weeks time, you will be dominating. Is that not good enough for you noobs?
You mean my guide? :ohno:
We dont mind about the skills, but the stats are a real problem.
STATS DON"T MATTER YOU ONCE YOU HAVE 300 HP. And darkfall and runescape don't have the same grind pattern, this is a efficentcy newbie easy mode guide. You can kill anything in the game, not just what I told you, to get your stats/skills up. The difference is you may not make as much bank doing it.
PS: Just admit you want planet side and not an MMORPG
Never heard of planet side, just checked it on youtube, it look great so maybe its what i want, but i still want the skill and stats progression. I just dont want it to be like an infinit grind that never end. 10 months had passed, no one maxed out yet, but some are so high that they are still unkillable on 1 on 1 and the best. How many month left teal a newb can finally beat one of those vets on a 1 on 1 and this is the question. IF it have to take a year for a newb to take out a vet 1 on 1, competitive players wont join DF for that reason.
now you will say, (Yeah, but DF dont have arena) Well, we never asked for an arena. All we want is to being able to catch up in a legit way without feeling like working. Working in a economic game like darkfall should have his place on the crafting system only. Progressing our own character to make him being a killer should be practiced while playing the game and not working on it like a full time job that you do 8 hours a day.
haha funny, I dont macro at all and my only skill at 100 is archery. I have no desire to reach endgame yet because I like being rewarded for my time I put in unlike you noobs.
Learn to play the game the right way and stop asking for easymode from the Devs. Look for the right PvE hotspots and grind. Go to brownies for Defense skills. Etc Etc.
I remember someone posted an awesome post on these forums about how to reach endgame PvP skills in 2 months time. READ THAT SHIT AND STOP THE QQ. He said to clearly do all of the achievement quests as soon as you can and grind a single weapon mastery, archery and specific magic schools. Once you do this, which can be done in 8 weeks time, you will be dominating. Is that not good enough for you noobs?
You mean my guide? :ohno:
We dont mind about the skills, but the stats are a real problem.
STATS DON"T MATTER YOU ONCE YOU HAVE 300 HP. And darkfall and runescape don't have the same grind pattern, this is a efficentcy newbie easy mode guide. You can kill anything in the game, not just what I told you, to get your stats/skills up. The difference is you may not make as much bank doing it.
PS: Just admit you want planet side and not an MMORPG
Never heard of planet side, just checked it on youtube, it look great so maybe its what i want, but i still want the skill and stats progression. I just dont want it to be like an infinit grind that never end. 10 months had passed, no one maxed out yet, but some are so high that they are still unkillable on 1 on 1 and the best. How many month left teal a newb can finally beat one of those vets on a 1 on 1 and this is the question. IF it have to take a year for a newb to take out a vet 1 on 1, competitive players wont join DF for that reason.
now you will say, (Yeah, but DF dont have arena) Well, we never asked for an arena. All we want is to being able to catch up in a legit way without feeling like working. Working in a economic game like darkfall should have his place on the crafting system only. Progressing our own character to make him being a killer should be practiced while playing the game and not working on it like a full time job that you do 8 hours a day.
The rate of the progression isn't the problem, its how its done.
And get banned just the same, spend 20,000,000 gold on 1 spell school, spend 100,000 on archery, spend 3months getting 1 melee mastery, etc. The "vets" had to put in more time than the new people in everything, the only reason macoring was so rampant is because all game time had to be spent aquireing massive amount of gold or regs to level. Seriously, STFU
Haha, I stopped afk swimming 2 weeks ago because two of my clan got banned. I shot spells at a bugged mob to the last day before the patch. No need to bring up the first starting months. Those months I spent AFK shoting MM into the air. Ohh, and I also trained launch AFK. We didn`t need regs back then if you remember.
I didn`t train archery AFK, because I was sure AV would lessen the grind. But they made it worse, now I had to hit things to gain. Darkfall was almost dead before they put in the 6x on magic, but that move put them out of lifesupport. Now we are back on the lifesupport, and AV need to do something.
I will help AV make their decision by closing my two alt accounts. If they see their number dwindle, hopefully they make DF more casual friendly.
And get banned just the same, spend 20,000,000 gold on 1 spell school, spend 100,000 on archery, spend 3months getting 1 melee mastery, etc. The "vets" had to put in more time than the new people in everything, the only reason macoring was so rampant is because all game time had to be spent aquireing massive amount of gold or regs to level. Seriously, STFU
Haha, I stopped afk swimming 2 weeks ago because two of my clan got banned. I shot spells at a bugged mob to the last day before the patch. No need to bring up the first starting months. Those months I spent AFK shoting MM into the air. Ohh, and I also trained launch AFK. We didn`t need regs back then if you remember.
I didn`t train archery AFK, because I was sure AV would lessen the grind. But they made it worse, now I had to hit things to gain. Darkfall was almost dead before they put in the 6x on magic, but that move put them out of lifesupport. Now we are back on the lifesupport, and AV need to do something.
I will help AV make their decision by closing my two alt accounts. If they see their number dwindle, hopefully they make DF more casual friendly.
Darkfall will never be casual friendly because casuals can't do most of the content that darkfall has to offer. Thats the real problem with darkfall, not the grind. I suggest you go read my suggestion thread on the DFO boards to see how I think that problem can be solved without doing anything to the grind.
Darkfall will never be casual friendly because casuals can't do most of the content that darkfall has to offer. Thats the real problem with darkfall, not the grind. I suggest you go read my suggestion thread on the DFO boards to see how I think that problem can be solved without doing anything to the grind.
As casual you could do everything in DF as long the game mechanics would allow you that, the grind is the main reason. With casual friendly character progression ( a sort of soft cap I suppose ), lower time sinks, smaller grind in general and smart siege mechanics casual players would be able to compete and hold the ground with ease. The thing is that the hardcore minority which found a shelter in DF is opposing any changes in this direction. There is no real disadvantages of lack of grind, none.
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Hmmmm.....have you tried Ryzom? It's skill based, everything is player made, the housing system is about the same as DF, open world to explore, and pvp is consensual with pvp areas. The skill system is kind of interesting in that you can mix and match skills sets (aka stanzas) to make your own attacks, spells, buffs, heals, etc. I've been playing it on the side and right now am debating between this game and Ryzom.
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Aventurine should fix what all had been saying from day 1 of beta: consequences for PvP, balancing the choices for players who are not that interested in it. Right now, it looks as if the only goal of the game is to engage in PvP which is a pity really, given all the other gameplay potential it could have.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
Considering how small the market for full loot pvp MMORPG is, AV will take steps to make their game attractive for that small majority, minority is not enough to support this game.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
We only talk about the stats issue and nothing else. All ther other stuff DF got are perfect. SWG probably made their game more carebearish so i understand why the will fans left and i would had followed them too. In DF, we dont want anything to change. All we want is us as newb's to catch up on stats only between 1 to 3 months.
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So you are only in Darkfall to grind your char mr. "I will leave if I cant level anymore". Did you leave the moment you got to level cap in your other mmos too?
I do hope you leave so we can replace you with 1000 real pvpers. And I`m laughing at your "hardcore pvp audience" you are nothing but a hardcore grinder who like to kill low level players. NO pvper likes to grind, we like to pvp. Every single thing we do in a game is to get better in pvp. We kill mobs to raise our skill, get money, gear or mats for a better enchant. We pvper wouldn`t harm a monster if we didn`t have to.
And yes you are right, Darkfall is a niche game for 3 k high level players at the moment. We will never grow, and you will get less and less new players to kill. In the end my game will die, and you grindlovers fail to see that fakt.
For you new players, we don`t have huge battles in Darkfall anymore. My alliance manage to get 15 players when we attack another alliance two days ago. That alliance had 30 players. A third alliance tried yo kill us later with the enormous number of 13 players. This is the numbers we get in our normal "large" battles these days. It sucks, but this is the real Darkfall. You will fight the same 100 players all the time. We hardly get any new players because the grind is so huge. When you get your char to a combat level after a year, only 5% of you playing time is pvp, 95% is still boring grind.
This is not what Darkfall was suppose to be.
Hmmmm.....have you tried Ryzom? It's skill based, everything is player made, the housing system is about the same as DF, open world to explore, and pvp is consensual with pvp areas. The skill system is kind of interesting in that you can mix and match skills sets (aka stanzas) to make your own attacks, spells, buffs, heals, etc. I've been playing it on the side and right now am debating between this game and Ryzom.
The housing system is superior in DF.
The ability to place and build buildings for clans is also very limited compared to DF.
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Considering how small the market for full loot pvp MMORPG is, AV will take steps to make their game attractive for that small majority, minority is not enough to support this game.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
We only whine about the stats issue and when that gets handed to us, we will just move onto the next thing. All ther other stuff DF got are perfect. SWG probably made their game more carebearish so i understand why the will fans left and i would had followed them too, but somehow this is different and won't happen if DFO. In DF, we want to have a much easier time developing our character than those who came before us. All we want is us carebears to catch up on stats with much less effort than those players who stuck with Darkfall through the hard times.
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I put a lot of time into developing my character Developing your character is part of the competition in these pvpmmorpgs. Why should I have my time wasted just because you don't want to put as much effort into developing your character as everyone else?
If you wanted things be on an even level with everyone else you should have played Darkfall from the beginning. You come in late like this and you should expect to be at a disadvantage. Instead of putting forth the effort to develop your character like everyone else you whine that the game should be changed so that you can compete with those players with much less effort. You are the exact definition of a game killing carebear.
everyone will bitch about any percieved disadvantage they have, even if those disadvantages are miniscule. So many people used to whine about some players having maxed rigor and blamed that as the reason why they lost in pvp even though having max rigor only reduces damage by .5.
You don't need uber stats to pvp, its so stupid that people think you need to grind stats before you can pvp. skills > stats in pvp. Get your skills up, then you can whine about having to grind stats to be competitive.
Quit trying to kill the only long term progression left in the game. Not all new players want a free ride to the top like you guys do. A lot of new players realise they have to pay their dues like everyone else if they want to be competitive in 1v1 against someone who has put much more time into developing their character.
Stat gains are already fast enough for new characters. If stat gains are increased, the whiners will just move onto the next thing and the players who want a hard, competitive game will start keeping their eyes open for another game that doesn't waste their time and cater to lazy whiners.
My suggestion to you people whining about having to grind stats before you can pvp is to find an easier game where you are handed everything you need right when you log into the game so you don't have to work for anything.
even though I disagree since this game is a grind fest and there is leveling in it (a different type) that does not separate it from others, in time this game will be great; but i hear you on the goblins.....good lord....i killed many myself.
The housing system is superior in DF.
The ability to place and build buildings for clans is also very limited compared to DF.
I don't know what Ryzom looks like but DF 's Housing system/Player City is pretty limited too. While you can add buildings, it already has a pre-set location that you cannot change. Though I don't care much about that and I actually prefer it this way.
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Might look at Ryzom though I'll probably look at EVE and Fallen Earth and see how things goes. Doubt I'll try Mortal Online.
No one is complaining about ganking. Ganking happens, and it's expected in a game like this. I've been ganked a great deal of times already, and I accept that as part of the package.
However, do not assume that if something is ok for you, then it's ok, period. You have barely scratched the surface, and you will, in time, feel the weight of problems that are being discussed here.
I have fun playing, pursuing my personal objectives. However, I accept that there is room for improvement, and that's what I'm discussing here. Don't become a blind follower, accepting everything that's in the game as good. Criticism leads to improvement, always.
I think your looking into my post a little too deep. I was simply stating my opinion and experiences within the game since i've started playing. Not one time did i assume that if something is ok for me, then its ok for everyone else. I simply stated my opinion on the OP and contributed my opinion on the game.
You say don't become a blind follower. Looks like your assuming i am? or is that just your opinion? does it matter? no. Same for what i have posted Strix.
I'm all for constructive criticism, however everything in the game i've experience is good in, again, my opinion.
Remember, this is a discussion forum, where we are all entitled to our own OPINION. I'm not making any assumptions nor following no one.
Considering how small the market for full loot pvp MMORPG is, AV will take steps to make their game attractive for that small majority, minority is not enough to support this game.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
We only whine about the stats issue and when that gets handed to us, we will just move onto the next thing. All ther other stuff DF got are perfect. SWG probably made their game more carebearish so i understand why the will fans left and i would had followed them too, but somehow this is different and won't happen if DFO. In DF, we want to have a much easier time developing our character than those who came before us. All we want is us carebears to catch up on stats with much less effort than those players who stuck with Darkfall through the hard times.
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I put a lot of time into developing my character Developing your character is part of the competition in these pvpmmorpgs. Why should I have my time wasted just because you don't want to put as much effort into developing your character as everyone else?
If you wanted things be on an even level with everyone else you should have played Darkfall from the beginning. You come in late like this and you should expect to be at a disadvantage. Instead of putting forth the effort to develop your character like everyone else you whine that the game should be changed so that you can compete with those players with much less effort. You are the exact definition of a game killing carebear.
everyone will bitch about any percieved disadvantage they have, even if those disadvantages are miniscule. So many people used to whine about some players having maxed rigor and blamed that as the reason why they lost in pvp even though having max rigor only reduces damage by .5.
You don't need uber stats to pvp, its so stupid that people think you need to grind stats before you can pvp. skills > stats in pvp. Get your skills up, then you can whine about having to grind stats to be competitive.
Quit trying to kill the only long term progression left in the game. Not all new players want a free ride to the top like you guys do. A lot of new players realise they have to pay their dues like everyone else if they want to be competitive in 1v1 against someone who has put much more time into developing their character.
Stat gains are already fast enough for new characters. If stat gains are increased, the whiners will just move onto the next thing and the players who want a hard, competitive game will start keeping their eyes open for another game that doesn't waste their time and cater to lazy whiners.
My suggestion to you people whining about having to grind stats before you can pvp is to find an easier game where you are handed everything you need right when you log into the game so you don't have to work for anything.
From your definition of carebear, it seem like most of the official darkfall players are are all carebears because bunch of ppl whine about the stats. Even vets them self whine about it because some of them are not selfish like you.
My word come from what i read from the official forum.
When i played wow,( and dont call me a carebear for that because its just a scenario i had) I had a lvl 70 friend. He invited me to play wow and i said to him that i will beat him in PVP one day even if he do pvp most of the time( some raid too...) So then, i hit lvl 70 under 2 months. Then, i had to get my pvp gears and after that, i challenged him and win because i was basically better then him as a player.
In DF, it might take from 6 months to a year to being able to kill your elder and you call me carebear because i whine about it? You are the carebear because you dont want your young ones to have a chance to catch you and own you with their potential player skill. Watch them rush in MO when they all get sick of the grind.
Please, stop saying the word carebear because you dont know what it means.
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Considering how small the market for full loot pvp MMORPG is, AV will take steps to make their game attractive for that small majority, minority is not enough to support this game.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
We only whine about the stats issue and when that gets handed to us, we will just move onto the next thing. All ther other stuff DF got are perfect. SWG probably made their game more carebearish so i understand why the will fans left and i would had followed them too, but somehow this is different and won't happen if DFO. In DF, we want to have a much easier time developing our character than those who came before us. All we want is us carebears to catch up on stats with much less effort than those players who stuck with Darkfall through the hard times.
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I put a lot of time into developing my character Developing your character is part of the competition in these pvpmmorpgs. Why should I have my time wasted just because you don't want to put as much effort into developing your character as everyone else?
If you wanted things be on an even level with everyone else you should have played Darkfall from the beginning. You come in late like this and you should expect to be at a disadvantage. Instead of putting forth the effort to develop your character like everyone else you whine that the game should be changed so that you can compete with those players with much less effort. You are the exact definition of a game killing carebear.
everyone will bitch about any percieved disadvantage they have, even if those disadvantages are miniscule. So many people used to whine about some players having maxed rigor and blamed that as the reason why they lost in pvp even though having max rigor only reduces damage by .5.
You don't need uber stats to pvp, its so stupid that people think you need to grind stats before you can pvp. skills > stats in pvp. Get your skills up, then you can whine about having to grind stats to be competitive.
Quit trying to kill the only long term progression left in the game. Not all new players want a free ride to the top like you guys do. A lot of new players realise they have to pay their dues like everyone else if they want to be competitive in 1v1 against someone who has put much more time into developing their character.
Stat gains are already fast enough for new characters. If stat gains are increased, the whiners will just move onto the next thing and the players who want a hard, competitive game will start keeping their eyes open for another game that doesn't waste their time and cater to lazy whiners.
My suggestion to you people whining about having to grind stats before you can pvp is to find an easier game where you are handed everything you need right when you log into the game so you don't have to work for anything.
From your definition of carebear, it seem like most of the official darkfall players are are all carebears because bunch of ppl whine about the stats. Even vets them self whine about it because some of them are not selfish like you.
My word come from what i read from the official forum.
You are the carebear because you dont want your young ones to have a chance to catch you and own you with their potential player skill.
if most of the darkfall players wanted increased stat gains you would see a whole lot more threads for it. You are the minority of vocal whiners who continuously tries to make the game easier for you so you don't have to put as much effort into developing your character as someone else. That is my definition of carebear.
I'm a carebear because I don't want new players to have it much easier than I did? You think you will never catch up? There is a stat and skill cap and you say you will never be able to catch up? please, you are just being selfish and want an easy ride.
When it all boils down to it, you just want things made easy for you so you don't have to work as hard as everyone else. How is it fair to veterans to let newer players have an easier time than those who spent months developing their characters? Find an easier game and quit trying to ruin mine. If I can't 2v1 I will not be playing DFO anymore. I put a lot of time into my character so I could fight multiple enemies at a time and have a chance to win. You talk of fairness in pvp but how would it be fair to me and others like me if it took me 6 months to reach 350 hps and then tommorow they make it so you can do it in 1 month?
Selfish lazy whiners if you ask me. You are not the majority.
Considering how small the market for full loot pvp MMORPG is, AV will take steps to make their game attractive for that small majority, minority is not enough to support this game.
Hehe man. There is a game named Star Wars Galaxies. It was made by a big company as a AAA title so they wanted more and more money. They got like 500k suscribers in first few months, and they wanted more. There were alotta players there but there were even more whiners. Whiners were doing what they were the best in - whining. For them SWG had alotta potencial but was still bad. So developers made it "better"... And what happened then? Yeah, all whiners left it because when they got what they wanted they saw it was an ultimate crap. And those who didn't whine quited SWG too because it'd become an ultimate crap. So what did developers get in the end? Yeah, crappy game with no subscribers... Hope AV guys won't make that mistake...
We only whine about the stats issue and when that gets handed to us, we will just move onto the next thing. All ther other stuff DF got are perfect. SWG probably made their game more carebearish so i understand why the will fans left and i would had followed them too, but somehow this is different and won't happen if DFO. In DF, we want to have a much easier time developing our character than those who came before us. All we want is us carebears to catch up on stats with much less effort than those players who stuck with Darkfall through the hard times.
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I put a lot of time into developing my character Developing your character is part of the competition in these pvpmmorpgs. Why should I have my time wasted just because you don't want to put as much effort into developing your character as everyone else?
If you wanted things be on an even level with everyone else you should have played Darkfall from the beginning. You come in late like this and you should expect to be at a disadvantage. Instead of putting forth the effort to develop your character like everyone else you whine that the game should be changed so that you can compete with those players with much less effort. You are the exact definition of a game killing carebear.
everyone will bitch about any percieved disadvantage they have, even if those disadvantages are miniscule. So many people used to whine about some players having maxed rigor and blamed that as the reason why they lost in pvp even though having max rigor only reduces damage by .5.
You don't need uber stats to pvp, its so stupid that people think you need to grind stats before you can pvp. skills > stats in pvp. Get your skills up, then you can whine about having to grind stats to be competitive.
Quit trying to kill the only long term progression left in the game. Not all new players want a free ride to the top like you guys do. A lot of new players realise they have to pay their dues like everyone else if they want to be competitive in 1v1 against someone who has put much more time into developing their character.
Stat gains are already fast enough for new characters. If stat gains are increased, the whiners will just move onto the next thing and the players who want a hard, competitive game will start keeping their eyes open for another game that doesn't waste their time and cater to lazy whiners.
My suggestion to you people whining about having to grind stats before you can pvp is to find an easier game where you are handed everything you need right when you log into the game so you don't have to work for anything.
From your definition of carebear, it seem like most of the official darkfall players are are all carebears because bunch of ppl whine about the stats. Even vets them self whine about it because some of them are not selfish like you.
My word come from what i read from the official forum.
You are the carebear because you dont want your young ones to have a chance to catch you and own you with their potential player skill.
if most of the darkfall players wanted increased stat gains you would see a whole lot more threads for it. You are the minority of vocal whiners who continuously tries to make the game easier for you so you don't have to put as much effort into developing your character as someone else. That is my definition of carebear.
I'm a carebear because I don't want new players to have it much easier than I did? You think you will never catch up? There is a stat and skill cap and you say you will never be able to catch up? please, you are just being selfish and want an easy ride.
When it all boils down to it, you just want things made easy for you so you don't have to work as hard as everyone else. How is it fair to veterans to let newer players have an easier time than those who spent months developing their characters? Find an easier game and quit trying to ruin mine. If I can't 2v1 I will not be playing DFO anymore. I put a lot of time into my character so I could fight multiple enemies at a time and have a chance to win. You talk of fairness in pvp but how would it be fair to me and others like me if it took me 6 months to reach 350 hps and then tommorow they make it so you can do it in 1 month?
Selfish lazy whiners if you ask me. You are not the majority.
1st paragraph: find an other word instead of ruining the reason why we say carebear or go simply watch the show and figure out how to put it in an argument. We call ourself carebear when we request the game to get some safezone or me as a newb, being unkillable to an end player. WOW for example is a game full of carebear because its not open world pvp, there is bunch of safe zone and theme park like it is, the whole game guide the kids who are lost. Im telling you, go watch the carebears show, its exactly like that and dont try to change the definition just to seem cool on the internet because every one say's it.
2: yes you are a carebear because you want a huge time delay between the time a new player is joining your game and the time he will be able to kill you in a 1 on 1. You are rejecting all the potential pro gamers and your only competition are the same player. For example, krankone husler only rivial at equal lvl is Evenar Mortred. When do you think an other player will surpass them, never, as long that they are still playing because only few are challenging them and you wont see any newcomer trying to challenge 1 of them after 1 to 3 months in a 1 on 1 with price gold that they bet themself.
3: I dont want it easier, i just dont want to work because im lazy like you said. Lazy for a game, and always ready for the real world. There is a different between playing and working and you cant get across that so you dont understand us. We dont play 8 hours a day. I dont care, they can make mobs smarter, even more stronger more smart to give us a hard time to catch up, but as long that i can catch up between 1 to 3 months, its all good. I mentioned hard time, not long time. See the difference?
4: Im not a selfish, im a sheep. I want what others want and the DF official forum is not fully crowded then before launch and with that being said, the amount of few players connecting in total there, the amount of thread about stats, the amount of posters that try to make a change compared to those not wanting is high enough.
Im glad to be lazy then looking like the fat guy from Make love not warcraft and speaking about make love not warcraft, this was not a parody of world of warcraft, but a parody of darkfall online. You vets are the fat guy killing in the newb town and you vets are also the 4 kids who play without sleeping by drinking redbull, cofe, looking all chubby with dots on your faces, and after 6 months or even more(because notice that they didint macro there) They can finally challenge the capped character naked with an helmet only and own him. Why 4 vs 1, because they would never being able to win a 1 vs 1 since the fat guy play since the launch of wow while the 4 kids started as newb's. They cant catch up to win a 1 on 1.
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Well potential new players, you hear it from the master here. He admit Darkfall is hard work and new players wont have an easy time.
What he fails to tell you is we vets had it easy. We could afk swim, afk macro, train spell at bugged mobs and harvest non moving and non hitting mobs This was sadly fixed the last patch, and you will now get banned if you macro. The grind in Darkfall is worse than all mainstream pve mmo's you have tried before, trust me. To make it even worse for you new players, you will be killed by players like Trashburning here for a year if you try to catch up.
So from a betatester and a vet Darkfall player, stay away from this game for now. If AV lessen the huge grind you should try it out.
Why not just make a 2nd "Noobie" server to attract new players who are wary of old-school/vet players? Then merge the servers every 3 months, basically resetting the "Noobie" server.
This idea could help for a fresh population of players to be introduced every 3 months into the "Main/Expert" server?
-just a thought
You mean my guide? :ohno:
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
Well potential new players, you hear it from the master here. He admit Darkfall is hard work and new players wont have an easy time.
What he fails to tell you is we vets had it easy. We could afk swim, afk macro, train spell at bugged mobs and harvest non moving and non hitting mobs This was sadly fixed the last patch, and you will now get banned if you macro. The grind in Darkfall is worse than all mainstream pve mmo's you have tried before, trust me. To make it even worse for you new players, you will be killed by players like Trashburning here for a year if you try to catch up.
So from a betatester and a vet Darkfall player, stay away from this game for now. If AV lessen the huge grind you should try it out.
And get banned just the same, spend 20,000,000 gold on 1 spell school, spend 100,000 on archery, spend 3months getting 1 melee mastery, etc. The "vets" had to put in more time than the new people in everything, the only reason macoring was so rampant is because all game time had to be spent aquireing massive amount of gold or regs to level. Seriously, STFU
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
Wrong. I got 4 shotted today by a red. No matter your skills, you cannot survive that.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
You mean my guide? :ohno:
Well, this is not freedom at all. ITs runescapish. I played runescape and i was a pure STR. It was really really really boring to go there. Pure str to be good at pvp BTW by trying to max str, max range, 40 att, 1 def, pray 40 was really really boring. What i had to do, killing chicken 1st and collecting their bones without eating them and put all in bank teal i had enough to kill cow. After cow, the monks, after the monks, the giant hill, after the giant, i would be ready to pvp, but if i wanted to be even more competitive, i had to grind even more on the next monster lvl and its just boring as hell because you do the same thing the whole time. Then i had to do it again to raise my bow. After that, i had to sell my total bones collected and buy big bones and kill hill giant and eat their bones teal i had 40 pray.
Im not joking when i say that RS and DF got the same grind system. Its just so boring that you want to stop.RS in his part is still popular because players play that game for the pve aspect and they are not pvp focus player like i was trying to be. DF in his part, is not a pvp game
With that being said, DF is not a pve focus game, but a pvp. PVE grind should not be done that way. (goblin 1st, troll after, this after this after is just boring) I want to play the game not working. Let me explore from the start, let me take my time the way i want after 1 to 3 months, let me be able to be good at pvp competitively even if i was not working, but instead trying to enjoy the game.
We dont mind about the skills, but the stats are a real problem.
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You mean my guide? :ohno:
We dont mind about the skills, but the stats are a real problem.
STATS DON"T MATTER YOU ONCE YOU HAVE 300 HP. And darkfall and runescape don't have the same grind pattern, this is a efficentcy newbie easy mode guide. You can kill anything in the game, not just what I told you, to get your stats/skills up. The difference is you may not make as much bank doing it.
PS: Just admit you want planet side and not an MMORPG
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
You mean my guide? :ohno:
We dont mind about the skills, but the stats are a real problem.
STATS DON"T MATTER YOU ONCE YOU HAVE 300 HP. And darkfall and runescape don't have the same grind pattern, this is a efficentcy newbie easy mode guide. You can kill anything in the game, not just what I told you, to get your stats/skills up. The difference is you may not make as much bank doing it.
PS: Just admit you want planet side and not an MMORPG
Never heard of planet side, just checked it on youtube, it look great so maybe its what i want, but i still want the skill and stats progression. I just dont want it to be like an infinit grind that never end. 10 months had passed, no one maxed out yet, but some are so high that they are still unkillable on 1 on 1 and the best. How many month left teal a newb can finally beat one of those vets on a 1 on 1 and this is the question. IF it have to take a year for a newb to take out a vet 1 on 1, competitive players wont join DF for that reason.
now you will say, (Yeah, but DF dont have arena) Well, we never asked for an arena. All we want is to being able to catch up in a legit way without feeling like working. Working in a economic game like darkfall should have his place on the crafting system only. Progressing our own character to make him being a killer should be practiced while playing the game and not working on it like a full time job that you do 8 hours a day.
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You mean my guide? :ohno:
We dont mind about the skills, but the stats are a real problem.
STATS DON"T MATTER YOU ONCE YOU HAVE 300 HP. And darkfall and runescape don't have the same grind pattern, this is a efficentcy newbie easy mode guide. You can kill anything in the game, not just what I told you, to get your stats/skills up. The difference is you may not make as much bank doing it.
PS: Just admit you want planet side and not an MMORPG
Never heard of planet side, just checked it on youtube, it look great so maybe its what i want, but i still want the skill and stats progression. I just dont want it to be like an infinit grind that never end. 10 months had passed, no one maxed out yet, but some are so high that they are still unkillable on 1 on 1 and the best. How many month left teal a newb can finally beat one of those vets on a 1 on 1 and this is the question. IF it have to take a year for a newb to take out a vet 1 on 1, competitive players wont join DF for that reason.
now you will say, (Yeah, but DF dont have arena) Well, we never asked for an arena. All we want is to being able to catch up in a legit way without feeling like working. Working in a economic game like darkfall should have his place on the crafting system only. Progressing our own character to make him being a killer should be practiced while playing the game and not working on it like a full time job that you do 8 hours a day.
The rate of the progression isn't the problem, its how its done.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
Haha, I stopped afk swimming 2 weeks ago because two of my clan got banned. I shot spells at a bugged mob to the last day before the patch. No need to bring up the first starting months. Those months I spent AFK shoting MM into the air. Ohh, and I also trained launch AFK. We didn`t need regs back then if you remember.
I didn`t train archery AFK, because I was sure AV would lessen the grind. But they made it worse, now I had to hit things to gain. Darkfall was almost dead before they put in the 6x on magic, but that move put them out of lifesupport. Now we are back on the lifesupport, and AV need to do something.
I will help AV make their decision by closing my two alt accounts. If they see their number dwindle, hopefully they make DF more casual friendly.
Haha, I stopped afk swimming 2 weeks ago because two of my clan got banned. I shot spells at a bugged mob to the last day before the patch. No need to bring up the first starting months. Those months I spent AFK shoting MM into the air. Ohh, and I also trained launch AFK. We didn`t need regs back then if you remember.
I didn`t train archery AFK, because I was sure AV would lessen the grind. But they made it worse, now I had to hit things to gain. Darkfall was almost dead before they put in the 6x on magic, but that move put them out of lifesupport. Now we are back on the lifesupport, and AV need to do something.
I will help AV make their decision by closing my two alt accounts. If they see their number dwindle, hopefully they make DF more casual friendly.
Darkfall will never be casual friendly because casuals can't do most of the content that darkfall has to offer. Thats the real problem with darkfall, not the grind. I suggest you go read my suggestion thread on the DFO boards to see how I think that problem can be solved without doing anything to the grind.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
As casual you could do everything in DF as long the game mechanics would allow you that, the grind is the main reason. With casual friendly character progression ( a sort of soft cap I suppose ), lower time sinks, smaller grind in general and smart siege mechanics casual players would be able to compete and hold the ground with ease. The thing is that the hardcore minority which found a shelter in DF is opposing any changes in this direction. There is no real disadvantages of lack of grind, none.