I am really only replying to say that I get your point here Sov. I don't see it the same way, but I get your perspective. Aion really to me though is the the bare bones of a game to me though with just barely enough quests to run through once without repetition and the almost complete lack of 'fluff' (which I personally consider extremely important) and pretty broken core play systems (as demonstrated by MCS's ongoing efforts to fix forts and their stated work to balance drop rates, XP etc... it's like a live beta even now). Honestly though, EQ2 had a *ton* of playable content at launch. I have a few issues with SOE but I can't knock them on the opening package that they they offered in that game at the start... it was extremely 'complete'. I would be satisfied if EQ2 was used as a yardstick to measure launch content in new MMORPGs by.
Well, I suppose that's fair enough. I know you are not alone in your feelings there so obviously there must be something to it. At least for people who have experienced other games that have delivered for them.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Quitting for this = LOL. Even WOW has pets that cost $$ so I guess we shouldnt play WOW either. This is all fluff stuff that has no impact on the game at all. Dont like it, dont buy it, but quitting because of it? Cmon. Keep in mind this is the trend of MMO's right now. CO, STO, WOW, Aion, etc etc all have stores now. Im sure more do to and more will to come.
What do you mean 'even WoW'? Who even mentioned WoW? Why do people always have to drag that game up in every conversation like it's the only game they know?
No, again, and I have said this a few times, if you had read the OP you would see I have many issues and MT was just the final straw. Your LoLing at something you obviosuly havent even bothered reading, which isnt a great sign.
C'mon people, theres more to a post then the frikin title
As for trends... everythings ok with you, as long as it's a 'trend'? As long as there is a line of sheeple to join the end of?
There is just some taboo about charging microtransactions in addition to a monthly sub. If the game was free nobody would care. If the game had been (so called) 'F2P' I wouldnt have even started it, and if it had been sub+MT I wouldnt have started it, and thats kind of at the heart of my final issue. The IMVU generation can sod off and play their silly vanity 'games' as much as they want, but I wouldnt have invested any time or money into Aion if I had known they would be adopting this revenue model. I do agree that if you going to start quitting over the very concept of MT then you better stop playing MMO's altogether because that is the direction games are headed. It's a revenue model that has proven to be successful for a number of games, including WoW. yeah, I actually agree. As soon as there isnt a game that allows me to play without a item shop I will quit MMORPGs, because by then they will have stopped being for me. Just makes me sad at how laziness+vanity+corporate spin has created this current culture where so many are so content to be milked this way and demand nothing more then to queue up at the cow shed. but it's fine as long as it's 'the trend' right? Personally, I think that people need to start to remember that it's us, the consumer, that defines trends, not corporations. We don't have to do what they tell us, willingly fooled out the money that we have sold our real life to obtain by the promise of little glowing swords made out of pixels and the thinest of spin. I have never seen a a generation more compliant and docile then this one seems to be
Quitting for this = LOL. Even WOW has pets that cost $$ so I guess we shouldnt play WOW either. This is all fluff stuff that has no impact on the game at all. Dont like it, dont buy it, but quitting because of it? Cmon. Keep in mind this is the trend of MMO's right now. CO, STO, WOW, Aion, etc etc all have stores now. Im sure more do to and more will to come.
oh awesome! lets let them double dip already paying customers. You really dont think people bought both WoW pets to get the 75pet achievment?
Quitting for this = LOL. Even WOW has pets that cost $$ so I guess we shouldnt play WOW either. This is all fluff stuff that has no impact on the game at all. Dont like it, dont buy it, but quitting because of it? Cmon. Keep in mind this is the trend of MMO's right now. CO, STO, WOW, Aion, etc etc all have stores now. Im sure more do to and more will to come.
What do you mean 'even WoW'? Who even mentioned WoW? Why do people always have to drag that game up in every conversation like it's the only game they know?
No, again, and I have said this a few times, if you had read the OP you would see I have many issues and MT was just the final straw. Your LoLing at something you obviosuly havent even bothered reading, which isnt a great sign.
C'mon people, theres more to a post then the frikin title
As for trends... everythings ok with you, as long as it's a 'trend'? As long as there is a line of sheeple to join the end of?
Jesus, what happened to free thought?
lol free though? That is dead as well as common sense. MT is the wave of the future and it sucks if you truly love MMORPGs as I do. I would rather pay my $15 a month and be able to play the game without having to fork over more money to get items though a shop.
I do not mind companies allow players to pay to transfer charaters but that is were I draw the line, changing races, changing sides? Really? Start a new character if you want to try a difference race, start a new character if you want to join the other realm, start a new character if you want to be a female/male this time. These things are starting to make me rethinking supporting the MMORPG genre.
I see a few games that are currently being developed that are going to hopfully break these trends but we will have to wait and see.
First things first... I am not a troll. In fact i have supported Aion on these forums before many times. I am a day 1 adopter that had suspended their account for the time being while NCS got more content into this potentiol gem of a game. That suspension is now definitly a termination though. NCS can go .... Btw, for those a little too dense or with a childishly short attention span who don't like reading a lot of words, best move on now. This won't be for you. Just a fair warning. This is for people that can process more then a paragraph of text. I posted here on these forums earlier saying that if Aion 2.0 was good I would prbably resub to Aion, despite my negative thoughts on;
the lack of content and linear 1 path prgression in general the lamest events I have ever seen in a mmo the extremely weak ingame protection vs bots, sellers, and hack apps the lack of GMs and poor CS in general the official forums being so broken and buggy that most won't even use them the core play systems (forts, drops, XP, crafting etc) being still in a beta state being tested and tweaked NCS moving at a mind numbingly glacial speed on everything
Despite all this I was willing to give NCS another chance with no bad feeling. I still believed that Aion could be fixed, that NCS actually cared, that they would come good with free content updates. I wanted to give then a chance to improve on the half a game they sold me at launch and relight the fun I had in the game for a while and regain me as a long term sub. They showed me the Aion trailor, and half of me was just sad at what it showed me that Aion didnt have (and should have had at launch as a AAA title), but half of me was excited for it and wanted to see it badly. The fact that it got released just in time for the Xmas market didnt escape me, but I let it slide in the interests of the longer game. Then I saw, firstly, the profit reports. Something jarred me here... How could a game like Aion, that had been live from the end of 2008 (yes, I DO count the Korean time in terms of development) that showed SO much profit and was doing SO well show so LITTLE investment in terms of game progress and CS in general? Why didnt the investment seem to reflect the revenue? Why, with so much profit, wernt there even GMs on my server? Then I saw the new account services listed on the official front page... Ok, I thought... account services are tolerable in theory I guess (see my sig). They are not ideal in a sub game, but they have the right to charge extra due to them not being part of the core game. They are 'extras' that don't effect my gameplay directly or indirectly, so fine. The fact that they found time to implement these services before delivering value for money on the core game bothered me though. Here they were with half a game (and a pretty broken half at that), which they themselves pretty much recognised in the 'vision' movie, and they wanted to sell us more before filling ot out or fixing it? This jarred me again. I don't like a company that chooses to focus on milking it's playerbase over delivering on what had already been paid for. While account services can be tolerated by me, their timing and obvious priorities were harder to stomach. Their greed was showing through. Despite this, I would still give them a chance, though I doubt any dev that charges £8.99 for an automated in game gender change (!!), or £5.99 for a restyle (!!) deserved it. (Why the high price anyhow? How is it even justified? The game is making massive profits already. It wasnt needed, and why is a gender change more expensive then a name change or restyle anyhow?? What, in a real sense, is the difference in process? An overwhelming feeling of raw profiteering was coming over me.) Then, and this was the nail in the game's (and NCS's) coffin for me, I saw the MT event packs in the store... I mean, they deliver poor poor poor halloween and Xmas events, and then want to CHARGE us £5.99 (!!) for the valentine one? WTF? £5.99 for... •Five True Red Dyes
•Ten Love Potions
•One Sunflower Headband
•One Heart emote Unbelievable to me, honestly. Now, I don't want to get into a debate on whether in game MT is good or not, thats for another day, but when I started Aion I started it as a NON MT game. As someone who hates in game rewards being sold as MT that' was very important to me. I was sold one thing, and now that want to start sneaking in game crap like this in? On top of my sub? No. They can ..... off tbh. I'm done.
So, whats this post? Well, part closure for me, I guess, to say goodbye to Aion and part warning to others. My advice is simply don't touch this profit whoring shell of a game. Noone bregrudges a fair profit to a dev, but thats NOT the same as profiteering, and NCS have joined Cryptic on the wrong side of the line to me.
First of, don't come here putting a different title in your thread, and then talk about different things like how u don't like the game because of X reasons which has nothing to do with your title thread. Got something against Aion? Then start QQ as you should.
Aion being a MT game? Why didn't you paste all the informations for the Valentines day packs? Let me do that for you:
The True Love Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
The Chocolate Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
Now, you were saying why didn't they give us the 2.0 version or any other versions first, before this update? THIS is a Valentine's Day, they needed to come with something for this "special day", so here it is. You don't like it? DON'T buy it.
About the Gender change,Character and Legion name change those were done way back in Korea, so they just implemented here in EU/NA along with the Valentine's Day update. Again, you don't like it? Don't buy it. How all does changes affect your game play, if my I ask?!
About the 2.0 version and beyond if you are not kinda informed, those will have some MAJOR changes and I believe it will atleast double the game in terms of everything, and those kind of updates you are not releasing them over night, it needs time, and they will not rush their release, because I am pretty sure NcSoft does not want QQ's as you are, saying : OMG..those updates are so bugged , I /quit .
But then again, if you don't like Aion , then quit , unsub or never resub.
Move along!
Edit: You were already "done" with Aion before this update, so please, start picking up your next game, if you didn't already did that!
First off, really no need for the combative tone in the way you post, this thread isnt about looking for a fight. If you don't like the QQ you don't have to read it and you don't have to respond.
Secondly, I expected people to read more then the title. I guess you only judge an entire post by the few words at the top, which is a shame. Others don't though.
The MT was the final straw, so it went in the title. I am sorry if this bothers you so much.
Thirdly, like I said very clearly, I wasnt really done before. In my mind I considered my account suspended, it was the recent events that have pushed it over into terminated.
As for how MT being preseent in a sub based game effects me if i buy it or not, well I have explained that a thousand times in other threads, but this one really isnt about whether MT in games is good or bad so i won't again here. For the purpose of what I am saying here, its enough to say for this OP I am making that I don't like it.
To be clear, I have never said gender change etc SERVICES are a massive problem for me, read my post again, or even my sig it's all there.
The OP wasnt made to 'ruin' the game, it's wildly successful and very unlikely any post could do that, or an attempt to change the minds of people playing it, but really only to maybe warn those out there who havent purchased Aion that feel the same way i do about MT, poor value for money, and terrible CS in our games. It's just a warning for those that might share my general perspective. Take it or leave it.
I did read all your post, and I still don't get it. What exactly are you trying to say here? That you don't like the MT? Fine, as I said it , don't buy the packs, play the game as it does not affects you in any way.
You made some mistakes in your thread, you were saying that Aion is a MT game now, when I proved you that is not. The packs will expire on the 28 February so obviously is not a MT game and even so, it does not have any items that will help the buyers of the packs to be "better" then you in-game.
You are trying to warn people here for what? Geezes, wake up .. if you don't like it , don't buy it, don't support NcSoft. Oh wait .. you are not playing the game, but you are QQ without knowing what is going on in the game. Right .. so how can people start "trusting" you, when u don't even play the game?
For the other points, which u were saying in the OP I will not comment as I don't care if you like it or not. It only matters if I enjoy them, which of course, I do. So I don't need "valid points" from someone who don't even play the game!
But then again, you .. keep QQ'ing here ok? I will just login now as there will be some nice sieges in about 15 mins !
Arrivederci !
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
the MT they have now doesn't bother me as much, but does seem NC is getting greedier over the years. Atleast on CoV if you bought one of those armor packs you could use it on any and every character you ever make. the big selling point on whats on the Aion stuff would be the True Red Dye the rest of it is just crap. so its $10 for 5 dyes, may have been worth it if it was like CoV and you could get the dyes on every character you have or make from now on. can only have 8 characters anyway total.
the MT they have now doesn't bother me as much, but does seem NC is getting greedier over the years. Atleast on CoV if you bought one of those armor packs you could use it on any and every character you ever make. the big selling point on whats on the Aion stuff would be the True Red Dye the rest of it is just crap. so its $10 for 5 dyes, may have been worth it if it was like CoV and you could get the dyes on every character you have or make from now on. can only have 8 characters anyway total.
Agree, having the packs on all chars, would be much better as far as I heard as I am not buying does kind of things
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
I'm gonna admit I didn't really read every post, just the first 10 or so. I'm basically just gonna say what others have been saying. I have no idea why the OP thinks this is strange or crazy of NC Soft and angers him so much.
Let's take a look at the most popular, in subscription numbers anyway, MMO which is WoW.
All amounts are in USD:
$15 - Character recustomization(name and appearance change)
$25 - Server transfer
$25 - Race change
$10 - in-game pet (pandaren monk or little k.t.)
So if the most popular game is subscription based but offers special paid services that do not affect game balance or play, then why wouldn't other companies like NCSoft follow suit with Aion. Please, be realistic. That is one of the most ridiculous reasons to quit a game.
On another note, I think the game is just fine with the current content. It was well above many other titles that have launched recently. You shouldn't expect any new game to launch with the amount of content WoW has come up with in the past 5-6 years. Unfortunately, my friends didn't enjoy Aion and they all pulled me back to WoW. Hmm, what did I experience in my first week back in WoW. (Let's see...two broken quests in Howling Fjorde and gold spam tells. ) Let's not kid ourselves, most every game has this to some extinct. Fallen Earth has some buggy quests, but at least the mods actually monitor chat and I've had no gold spam t here.
First things first... I am not a troll. In fact i have supported Aion on these forums before many times. I am a day 1 adopter that had suspended their account for the time being while NCS got more content into this potentiol gem of a game. That suspension is now definitly a termination though. NCS can go .... Btw, for those a little too dense or with a childishly short attention span who don't like reading a lot of words, best move on now. This won't be for you. Just a fair warning. This is for people that can process more then a paragraph of text. I posted here on these forums earlier saying that if Aion 2.0 was good I would prbably resub to Aion, despite my negative thoughts on;
the lack of content and linear 1 path prgression in general the lamest events I have ever seen in a mmo the extremely weak ingame protection vs bots, sellers, and hack apps the lack of GMs and poor CS in general the official forums being so broken and buggy that most won't even use them the core play systems (forts, drops, XP, crafting etc) being still in a beta state being tested and tweaked NCS moving at a mind numbingly glacial speed on everything
Despite all this I was willing to give NCS another chance with no bad feeling. I still believed that Aion could be fixed, that NCS actually cared, that they would come good with free content updates. I wanted to give then a chance to improve on the half a game they sold me at launch and relight the fun I had in the game for a while and regain me as a long term sub. They showed me the Aion trailor, and half of me was just sad at what it showed me that Aion didnt have (and should have had at launch as a AAA title), but half of me was excited for it and wanted to see it badly. The fact that it got released just in time for the Xmas market didnt escape me, but I let it slide in the interests of the longer game. Then I saw, firstly, the profit reports. Something jarred me here... How could a game like Aion, that had been live from the end of 2008 (yes, I DO count the Korean time in terms of development) that showed SO much profit and was doing SO well show so LITTLE investment in terms of game progress and CS in general? Why didnt the investment seem to reflect the revenue? Why, with so much profit, wernt there even GMs on my server? Then I saw the new account services listed on the official front page... Ok, I thought... account services are tolerable in theory I guess (see my sig). They are not ideal in a sub game, but they have the right to charge extra due to them not being part of the core game. They are 'extras' that don't effect my gameplay directly or indirectly, so fine. The fact that they found time to implement these services before delivering value for money on the core game bothered me though. Here they were with half a game (and a pretty broken half at that), which they themselves pretty much recognised in the 'vision' movie, and they wanted to sell us more before filling ot out or fixing it? This jarred me again. I don't like a company that chooses to focus on milking it's playerbase over delivering on what had already been paid for. While account services can be tolerated by me, their timing and obvious priorities were harder to stomach. Their greed was showing through. Despite this, I would still give them a chance, though I doubt any dev that charges £8.99 for an automated in game gender change (!!), or £5.99 for a restyle (!!) deserved it. (Why the high price anyhow? How is it even justified? The game is making massive profits already. It wasnt needed, and why is a gender change more expensive then a name change or restyle anyhow?? What, in a real sense, is the difference in process? An overwhelming feeling of raw profiteering was coming over me.) Then, and this was the nail in the game's (and NCS's) coffin for me, I saw the MT event packs in the store... I mean, they deliver poor poor poor halloween and Xmas events, and then want to CHARGE us £5.99 (!!) for the valentine one? WTF? £5.99 for... •Five True Red Dyes
•Ten Love Potions
•One Sunflower Headband
•One Heart emote Unbelievable to me, honestly. Now, I don't want to get into a debate on whether in game MT is good or not, thats for another day, but when I started Aion I started it as a NON MT game. As someone who hates in game rewards being sold as MT that' was very important to me. I was sold one thing, and now that want to start sneaking in game crap like this in? On top of my sub? No. They can ..... off tbh. I'm done.
So, whats this post? Well, part closure for me, I guess, to say goodbye to Aion and part warning to others. My advice is simply don't touch this profit whoring shell of a game. Noone bregrudges a fair profit to a dev, but thats NOT the same as profiteering, and NCS have joined Cryptic on the wrong side of the line to me.
First of, don't come here putting a different title in your thread, and then talk about different things like how u don't like the game because of X reasons which has nothing to do with your title thread. Got something against Aion? Then start QQ as you should.
Aion being a MT game? Why didn't you paste all the informations for the Valentines day packs? Let me do that for you:
The True Love Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
The Chocolate Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
Now, you were saying why didn't they give us the 2.0 version or any other versions first, before this update? THIS is a Valentine's Day, they needed to come with something for this "special day", so here it is. You don't like it? DON'T buy it.
About the Gender change,Character and Legion name change those were done way back in Korea, so they just implemented here in EU/NA along with the Valentine's Day update. Again, you don't like it? Don't buy it. How all does changes affect your game play, if my I ask?!
About the 2.0 version and beyond if you are not kinda informed, those will have some MAJOR changes and I believe it will atleast double the game in terms of everything, and those kind of updates you are not releasing them over night, it needs time, and they will not rush their release, because I am pretty sure NcSoft does not want QQ's as you are, saying : OMG..those updates are so bugged , I /quit .
But then again, if you don't like Aion , then quit , unsub or never resub.
Move along!
Edit: You were already "done" with Aion before this update, so please, start picking up your next game, if you didn't already did that!
First off, really no need for the combative tone in the way you post, this thread isnt about looking for a fight. If you don't like the QQ you don't have to read it and you don't have to respond.
Secondly, I expected people to read more then the title. I guess you only judge an entire post by the few words at the top, which is a shame. Others don't though.
The MT was the final straw, so it went in the title. I am sorry if this bothers you so much.
Thirdly, like I said very clearly, I wasnt really done before. In my mind I considered my account suspended, it was the recent events that have pushed it over into terminated.
As for how MT being preseent in a sub based game effects me if i buy it or not, well I have explained that a thousand times in other threads, but this one really isnt about whether MT in games is good or bad so i won't again here. For the purpose of what I am saying here, its enough to say for this OP I am making that I don't like it.
To be clear, I have never said gender change etc SERVICES are a massive problem for me, read my post again, or even my sig it's all there.
The OP wasnt made to 'ruin' the game, it's wildly successful and very unlikely any post could do that, or an attempt to change the minds of people playing it, but really only to maybe warn those out there who havent purchased Aion that feel the same way i do about MT, poor value for money, and terrible CS in our games. It's just a warning for those that might share my general perspective. Take it or leave it.
I did read all your post, and I still don't get it. What exactly are you trying to say here? That you don't like the MT? Fine, as I said it , don't buy the packs, play the game as it does not affects you in any way.
ok, let me break it down for you, to make it hopefully clearer. I will try and make it easier for you.
I am saying that if I, as a MT hater, buy a non MT game and it goes MT that will be the final nail in the coffin make me leave it.
Listen, the fact is that if I pay a sub I expect to able access all the content and rewards in that game via play. This is why I pay a sub. I don't pay a sub to have in game rewards blocked off from me, unless I fork over extra money.
I was sold Aion as a non MT game. It is now a MT game, and if I had wanted that I would have just joined a F2P one.
You made some mistakes in your thread, you were saying that Aion is a MT game now, when I proved you that is not.
How is it not? It is selling in game items for real life money. Thats the definition of MT lol.
The packs will expire on the 28 February so obviously is not a MT game and even so, it does not have any items that will help the buyers of the packs to be "better" then you in-game.
MT isnt defined by bringing the player in game advantages is it though?
I don't accept your 'proving'. Your just wrong.
You are trying to warn people here for what?
Like I said already, but once more for you, it is a warning for people that may share the same view as me regarding the sub+MT model and poor game support and worse CS
It is a warning to them about where this game is currently and the road it is heading down. It is a warning to not play it and save their money.
You may not wanna hear it, but others do. All you have to do for it to stop for you is stop participating in this thread.
Geezes, wake up ..if you don't like it , don't buy it, don't support NcSoft. Oh wait .. you are not playing the game, but you are QQ without knowing what is going on in the game. Right .. so how can people start "trusting" you, when u don't even play the game?
My account is actually still live. Cancelled but live. I also read whats going on with Aion, because, again like I have said, I was following 2.0 and considering going back for it. In short, I am fully aware of whats going on in game.
Yes though, you are right. If I don't like it the best thing to do is cancel. That is why I have done just that eh?
Look, let me give you an idea of where I come from and ask you some straight questions...
I personally hate MT because 1) I don't see the sense of achievement in it, and 2) it is dishonest (it hides the true cost of play, while slowly ramping up your dependency on it once your make an emotional investment in the game).
It is also fully aimed at the young, gullible, naive, and 'addicted', which makes it pretty exploitative.
Listen, Corporations like MT because it makes them more money then subs, especially if they can get a sub as well. That money only comes from one place, and thats you and others like you. Hence it is undeniable that MT costs the gamer more for content that should be in anyhow in a sub based game.
An argument for MT shops is simply an argument for more expensive gaming experiences.
Please, tell me, why do you want that? Why would you support it?
The matter of MT is not focus on whether you like it or you don’t like it because none of you are spokesman of Ncsoft to address in this forum.
Everyone has his own opinion to judge for the game they paid to play deserves to pay extra money to get it or not.
Plastic Surgery already built in the game when it released but Ncsoft did not activate this function from the beginning. Since Aion provides a wild customized character, and some people don’t even know how his avatar corresponding with the graphics ratio, it may be too large or too small because the character customization does not gives precise ratio. For example, too long hands or too long legs ….etc.
And people being told that they could change from plastic surgery, as matter of fact, plastic surgery is not to right word. More properly to say is character re-customized function. So people did not delete their wrongly created character shape or appearance but tried to complete the useless starter zone to Sanctum to re-customize their avatar(s). But they just found out there is no function from the Plastic Surgery NPC.
After a few months, Ncsoft uses the character customization defectives or say incompletion to charge further cost. I am not sure if there are more like this customization deployed in Aion from the very beginning.
As said above, it is not the point whether you like it or you don’t like it. But it is whether this game worthy you to play or not. If you don’t like it and you don’t want to pay extra but you still want to continue to play Aion, it means you accept whatever Ncsoft done to you, and you also accept Ncsoft poor customer support as well as those positive you think you got it from the game.
The opinion is not to gather to boycott Ncsoft move but just an opinion as same as when Ncsoft supposed to force player to installing their Guard software.
Therefore, you can’t judge people against the MT as a troll. It is all based on consumer’s viewpoint instead of Ncsoft viewpoint.
the MT they have now doesn't bother me as much, but does seem NC is getting greedier over the years. Atleast on CoV if you bought one of those armor packs you could use it on any and every character you ever make. the big selling point on whats on the Aion stuff would be the True Red Dye the rest of it is just crap. so its $10 for 5 dyes, may have been worth it if it was like CoV and you could get the dyes on every character you have or make from now on. can only have 8 characters anyway total.
Agree, having the packs on all chars, would be much better as far as I heard as I am not buying does kind of things
Well Ice, this is what you are supporting and arguing for.
Maximum profiteering for the devs.
Tell me, why do you think it's better to sell packs for an account rather then individual characters?
Well, I can't really blame ya. Although I never bought and subbed to Aion, I was always curious and it looked like it had lots of potential. But I refuse to pay a sub and RMT at the same time. Right now I'm playing DDO and Lotro, one's a sub, and one's a RMT, and they don't confuse the two. The only way things will change is by voting with our wallets on principle.
Actually they do already.
Lotro offers character slots for cash, shared bank storage among characters for additional cash, server transfer, and even mount at sooner level for cash, and premium items for cash.
Lotro can already be called Subscribtion based game with microtransactions as well.
Well, I can't really blame ya. Although I never bought and subbed to Aion, I was always curious and it looked like it had lots of potential. But I refuse to pay a sub and RMT at the same time. Right now I'm playing DDO and Lotro, one's a sub, and one's a RMT, and they don't confuse the two. The only way things will change is by voting with our wallets on principle.
Actually they do already.
Lotro offers character slots for cash, shared bank storage among characters for additional cash, server transfer, and even mount at sooner level for cash, and premium items for cash.
Lotro can already be called Subscribtion based game with microtransactions as well.
You forgot to say the majority of Lotro player are lifetime free players.
There is just some taboo about charging microtransactions in addition to a monthly sub. If the game was free nobody would care. If the game had been (so called) 'F2P' I wouldnt have even started it, and if it had been sub+MT I wouldnt have started it, and thats kind of at the heart of my final issue. The IMVU generation can sod off and play their silly vanity 'games' as much as they want, but I wouldnt have invested any time or money into Aion if I had known they would be adopting this revenue model. I do agree that if you going to start quitting over the very concept of MT then you better stop playing MMO's altogether because that is the direction games are headed. It's a revenue model that has proven to be successful for a number of games, including WoW. yeah, I actually agree. As soon as there isnt a game that allows me to play without a item shop I will quit MMORPGs, because by then they will have stopped being for me. Just makes me sad at how laziness+vanity+corporate spin has created this current culture where so many are so content to be milked this way and demand nothing more then to queue up at the cow shed. but it's fine as long as it's 'the trend' right? Personally, I think that people need to start to remember that it's us, the consumer, that defines trends, not corporations. We don't have to do what they tell us, willingly fooled out the money that we have sold our real life to obtain by the promise of little glowing swords made out of pixels and the thinest of spin. I have never seen a a generation more compliant and docile then this one seems to be
While I agree with you that nickle and diming over 'vanity' items seems rather silly, I don't blame the companies that do it since people obviously pay for this stuff. If I was a company that had an MMO I'd do the same thing if I knew it would generate profit for me. I can only imagine the killing Blizzard makes on their paid services (they probably make decent money on the vanity pets). Most people buy this stuff because they want it, not because they are getting bombarded saying they need to buy it.
Now I wouldn't pay for that, but then again I'm not the type of player that cares for that type of stuff. I'm also not in any position to tell people how to spend their money and if they think they are getting value for spending 5-10 bucks on a nice hat or fancy color dye, so be it.
Well, I can't really blame ya. Although I never bought and subbed to Aion, I was always curious and it looked like it had lots of potential. But I refuse to pay a sub and RMT at the same time. Right now I'm playing DDO and Lotro, one's a sub, and one's a RMT, and they don't confuse the two. The only way things will change is by voting with our wallets on principle.
Actually they do already.
Lotro offers character slots for cash, shared bank storage among characters for additional cash, server transfer, and even mount at sooner level for cash, and premium items for cash.
Lotro can already be called Subscribtion based game with microtransactions as well.
You forgot to say the majority of Lotro player are lifetime free players.
Yep, Lotro is basically free to play for 65% of its playerbase with microtransactions (paying for additonal content - SoM, paying for additional character slots, premium items, mounts at sooner level, shared bank storage)
The 65% figure comes from numerous official forum polls such as this one:
Not only are these items "Vanity" which has already been discussed...not only are they special to Valentines day which has also already been said...but, really? Of all the things you can pick out of the game, the fact that they have a special valentine's day event with vanity crap that costs extra is the last straw? I mean, if you're going to quit, I'm almost CERTAIN that you can find something better.
Also, you have to understand that NCSOFT in America isn't developing a whole heck of a lot. NCSOFT in Korea is developing the game, probably with added input on balancing, features, etc. from the NA and EU side of things. The game is in 4(I think) regions right now, Korea, China, EU, and NA. NCsoft has publisher branches that are hosting the games in these countries, but only Korea really contributes to the development. So, if you're mad about 2.0 not being out yet, blame the Koreans. If you're mad about the lack of content, blame the Koreans. Don't blame the poor American and European souls who have to put up with crap like this every day. What exactly do you propose THEY do about it? How much influence does their feedback ACTUALLY play a factor in the Home Office's decisions? You're going through too many middle men if you expect your opinion to be heard.
First things first... I am not a troll. In fact i have supported Aion on these forums before many times. I am a day 1 adopter that had suspended their account for the time being while NCS got more content into this potentiol gem of a game. That suspension is now definitly a termination though. NCS can go .... Btw, for those a little too dense or with a childishly short attention span who don't like reading a lot of words, best move on now. This won't be for you. Just a fair warning. This is for people that can process more then a paragraph of text. I posted here on these forums earlier saying that if Aion 2.0 was good I would prbably resub to Aion, despite my negative thoughts on;
the lack of content and linear 1 path prgression in general the lamest events I have ever seen in a mmo the extremely weak ingame protection vs bots, sellers, and hack apps the lack of GMs and poor CS in general the official forums being so broken and buggy that most won't even use them the core play systems (forts, drops, XP, crafting etc) being still in a beta state being tested and tweaked NCS moving at a mind numbingly glacial speed on everything
Despite all this I was willing to give NCS another chance with no bad feeling. I still believed that Aion could be fixed, that NCS actually cared, that they would come good with free content updates. I wanted to give then a chance to improve on the half a game they sold me at launch and relight the fun I had in the game for a while and regain me as a long term sub. They showed me the Aion trailor, and half of me was just sad at what it showed me that Aion didnt have (and should have had at launch as a AAA title), but half of me was excited for it and wanted to see it badly. The fact that it got released just in time for the Xmas market didnt escape me, but I let it slide in the interests of the longer game. Then I saw, firstly, the profit reports. Something jarred me here... How could a game like Aion, that had been live from the end of 2008 (yes, I DO count the Korean time in terms of development) that showed SO much profit and was doing SO well show so LITTLE investment in terms of game progress and CS in general? Why didnt the investment seem to reflect the revenue? Why, with so much profit, wernt there even GMs on my server? Then I saw the new account services listed on the official front page... Ok, I thought... account services are tolerable in theory I guess (see my sig). They are not ideal in a sub game, but they have the right to charge extra due to them not being part of the core game. They are 'extras' that don't effect my gameplay directly or indirectly, so fine. The fact that they found time to implement these services before delivering value for money on the core game bothered me though. Here they were with half a game (and a pretty broken half at that), which they themselves pretty much recognised in the 'vision' movie, and they wanted to sell us more before filling ot out or fixing it? This jarred me again. I don't like a company that chooses to focus on milking it's playerbase over delivering on what had already been paid for. While account services can be tolerated by me, their timing and obvious priorities were harder to stomach. Their greed was showing through. Despite this, I would still give them a chance, though I doubt any dev that charges £8.99 for an automated in game gender change (!!), or £5.99 for a restyle (!!) deserved it. (Why the high price anyhow? How is it even justified? The game is making massive profits already. It wasnt needed, and why is a gender change more expensive then a name change or restyle anyhow?? What, in a real sense, is the difference in process? An overwhelming feeling of raw profiteering was coming over me.) Then, and this was the nail in the game's (and NCS's) coffin for me, I saw the MT event packs in the store... I mean, they deliver poor poor poor halloween and Xmas events, and then want to CHARGE us £5.99 (!!) for the valentine one? WTF? £5.99 for... •Five True Red Dyes
•Ten Love Potions
•One Sunflower Headband
•One Heart emote Unbelievable to me, honestly. Now, I don't want to get into a debate on whether in game MT is good or not, thats for another day, but when I started Aion I started it as a NON MT game. As someone who hates in game rewards being sold as MT that' was very important to me. I was sold one thing, and now that want to start sneaking in game crap like this in? On top of my sub? No. They can ..... off tbh. I'm done.
So, whats this post? Well, part closure for me, I guess, to say goodbye to Aion and part warning to others. My advice is simply don't touch this profit whoring shell of a game. Noone bregrudges a fair profit to a dev, but thats NOT the same as profiteering, and NCS have joined Cryptic on the wrong side of the line to me.
First of, don't come here putting a different title in your thread, and then talk about different things like how u don't like the game because of X reasons which has nothing to do with your title thread. Got something against Aion? Then start QQ as you should.
Aion being a MT game? Why didn't you paste all the informations for the Valentines day packs? Let me do that for you:
The True Love Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
The Chocolate Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
Now, you were saying why didn't they give us the 2.0 version or any other versions first, before this update? THIS is a Valentine's Day, they needed to come with something for this "special day", so here it is. You don't like it? DON'T buy it.
About the Gender change,Character and Legion name change those were done way back in Korea, so they just implemented here in EU/NA along with the Valentine's Day update. Again, you don't like it? Don't buy it. How all does changes affect your game play, if my I ask?!
About the 2.0 version and beyond if you are not kinda informed, those will have some MAJOR changes and I believe it will atleast double the game in terms of everything, and those kind of updates you are not releasing them over night, it needs time, and they will not rush their release, because I am pretty sure NcSoft does not want QQ's as you are, saying : OMG..those updates are so bugged , I /quit .
But then again, if you don't like Aion , then quit , unsub or never resub.
Move along!
Edit: You were already "done" with Aion before this update, so please, start picking up your next game, if you didn't already did that!
First off, really no need for the combative tone in the way you post, this thread isnt about looking for a fight. If you don't like the QQ you don't have to read it and you don't have to respond.
Secondly, I expected people to read more then the title. I guess you only judge an entire post by the few words at the top, which is a shame. Others don't though.
The MT was the final straw, so it went in the title. I am sorry if this bothers you so much.
Thirdly, like I said very clearly, I wasnt really done before. In my mind I considered my account suspended, it was the recent events that have pushed it over into terminated.
As for how MT being preseent in a sub based game effects me if i buy it or not, well I have explained that a thousand times in other threads, but this one really isnt about whether MT in games is good or bad so i won't again here. For the purpose of what I am saying here, its enough to say for this OP I am making that I don't like it.
To be clear, I have never said gender change etc SERVICES are a massive problem for me, read my post again, or even my sig it's all there.
The OP wasnt made to 'ruin' the game, it's wildly successful and very unlikely any post could do that, or an attempt to change the minds of people playing it, but really only to maybe warn those out there who havent purchased Aion that feel the same way i do about MT, poor value for money, and terrible CS in our games. It's just a warning for those that might share my general perspective. Take it or leave it.
I did read all your post, and I still don't get it. What exactly are you trying to say here? That you don't like the MT? Fine, as I said it , don't buy the packs, play the game as it does not affects you in any way.
ok, let me break it down for you, to make it hopefully clearer. I will try and make it easier for you.
I am saying that if I, as a MT hater, buy a non MT game and it goes MT that will be the final nail in the coffin make me leave it.
Listen, the fact is that if I pay a sub I expect to able access all the content and rewards in that game via play. This is why I pay a sub. I don't pay a sub to have in game rewards blocked off from me, unless I fork over extra money.
I was sold Aion as a non MT game. It is now a MT game, and if I had wanted that I would have just joined a F2P one.
You made some mistakes in your thread, you were saying that Aion is a MT game now, when I proved you that is not.
How is it not? It is selling in game items for real life money. Thats the definition of MT lol.
The packs will expire on the 28 February so obviously is not a MT game and even so, it does not have any items that will help the buyers of the packs to be "better" then you in-game.
MT isnt defined by bringing the player in game advantages is it though?
I don't accept your 'proving'. Your just wrong.
You are trying to warn people here for what?
Like I said already, but once more for you, it is a warning for people that may share the same view as me regarding the sub+MT model and poor game support and worse CS
It is a warning to them about where this game is currently and the road it is heading down. It is a warning to not play it and save their money.
You may not wanna hear it, but others do. All you have to do for it to stop for you is stop participating in this thread.
Geezes, wake up ..if you don't like it , don't buy it, don't support NcSoft. Oh wait .. you are not playing the game, but you are QQ without knowing what is going on in the game. Right .. so how can people start "trusting" you, when u don't even play the game?
My account is actually still live. Cancelled but live. I also read whats going on with Aion, because, again like I have said, I was following 2.0 and considering going back for it. In short, I am fully aware of whats going on in game.
Yes though, you are right. If I don't like it the best thing to do is cancel. That is why I have done just that eh?
Look, let me give you an idea of where I come from and ask you some straight questions...
I personally hate MT because 1) I don't see the sense of achievement in it, and 2) it is dishonest (it hides the true cost of play, while slowly ramping up your dependency on it once your make an emotional investment in the game).
It is also fully aimed at the young, gullible, naive, and 'addicted', which makes it pretty exploitative.
Listen, Corporations like MT because it makes them more money then subs, especially if they can get a sub as well. That money only comes from one place, and thats you and others like you. Hence it is undeniable that MT costs the gamer more for content that should be in anyhow in a sub based game.
An argument for MT shops is simply an argument for more expensive gaming experiences.
Please, tell me, why do you want that? Why would you support it?
You have some serious problems there my "friend". You are talking non-sens right there, but let me quote a line from you alright? Just one, as there are many more, but I just don't feel it like I should start doing it right now.
"Listen, the fact is that if I pay a sub I expect to able access all the content and rewards in that game via play. This is why I pay a sub. I don't pay a sub to have in game rewards blocked off from me, unless I fork over extra money."
Right, now .. how do you call the Collection Edition items? Can you EARN them in-game even if you didn't got that CE? Nope, you can't. So basicaly they block rewards from you, so what are you going to do?
Ok, another line ..
"It is a warning to them about where this game is currently and the road it is heading down."
You were crying like a child about " HEY, NcSoft is making alot of money with Aion ... why they don't start giving updates to the players?" So how did u figured it out, that Aion is "heading down" while in the same time, you were saying ( more or less ) that they do alot of money!? Care to share your "vision"?
And .. about this one : "Please, tell me, why do you want that? Why would you support it?"
I don't care if is there, as I am not buying those kind of packs. If other people are enjoying them, while it does not "hurt" me in-game, fine, I don't care. NcSoft can sell whatever they want to sell, as long as they limit their items ( you get the point ).
Now, let me welcome you to the MMORPGs
Welcome to MMORPG's. Please be advice that while you are playing your game, you may see different characters with other items then you have, different level's then you are and many more. If you find this disturbing, please quit the game, stop QQ because there is nothing you can do and you will not achieve anything by QQing.
Thank you!
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Good post OP. Your stating your case and like someone posted previously, voting with your wallet on principle. I will play a game with MT, I will play a game with a subscription charge. But I won't do both.
It's one or the other. I feel that I am getting sneakily getting double charged. To Devs and Publishers: Be up front and pick your poison.
Whether its cosmetic items or not: We paid a box price and we pay a monthly fee, give it to us! Is this really costing you an extra 5.99 or do you need to make your quarterly numbers?
I've heard so much bad press about NCSofts lack of security. I'll never play this or any other NCS game. IF they are making you pay an extra 5.99 for something, then they best the hell give their customers better security. Hundreds of Aion players have had their accounts hacked and they do nothing about it.
Good post OP. Your stating your case and like someone posted previously, voting with your wallet on principle. I will play a game with MT, I will play a game with a subscription charge. But I won't do both. It's one or the other. I feel that I am getting sneakily getting double charged. To Devs and Publishers: Be up front and pick your poison. Whether its cosmetic items or not: We paid a box price and we pay a monthly fee, give it to us! Is this really costing you an extra 5.99 or do you need to make your quarterly numbers? I've heard so much bad press about NCSofts lack of security. I'll never play this or any other NCS game. IF they are making you pay an extra 5.99 for something, then they best the hell give their customers better security. Hundreds of Aion players have had their accounts hacked and they do nothing about it. Sad.
This is the living proof about someone who have no idea about the game.
"Hundreds of Aion players have had their accounts hacked and they do nothing about it."
In 95% cases, there were players fault, and the rest 5% are "unknowing" but I bet that is their fault too
Btw, you think that by paying a monthly fee you should get everything else for free? How many expansion have u bought? As how u put it , you want that expansion to be free too right?
Yea .. though so!
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I did read all your post, and I still don't get it. What exactly are you trying to say here? That you don't like the MT? Fine, as I said it , don't buy the packs, play the game as it does not affects you in any way. ok, let me break it down for you, to make it hopefully clearer. I will try and make it easier for you. I am saying that if I, as a MT hater, buy a non MT game and it goes MT that will be the final nail in the coffin make me leave it. Listen, the fact is that if I pay a sub I expect to able access all the content and rewards in that game via play. This is why I pay a sub. I don't pay a sub to have in game rewards blocked off from me, unless I fork over extra money. I was sold Aion as a non MT game. It is now a MT game, and if I had wanted that I would have just joined a F2P one. You made some mistakes in your thread, you were saying that Aion is a MT game now, when I proved you that is not. How is it not? It is selling in game items for real life money. Thats the definition of MT lol. The packs will expire on the 28 February so obviously is not a MT game and even so, it does not have any items that will help the buyers of the packs to be "better" then you in-game. MT isnt defined by bringing the player in game advantages is it though? I don't accept your 'proving'. Your just wrong. You are trying to warn people here for what? Like I said already, but once more for you, it is a warning for people that may share the same view as me regarding the sub+MT model and poor game support and worse CS It is a warning to them about where this game is currently and the road it is heading down. It is a warning to not play it and save their money. You may not wanna hear it, but others do. All you have to do for it to stop for you is stop participating in this thread. Geezes, wake up ..if you don't like it , don't buy it, don't support NcSoft. Oh wait .. you are not playing the game, but you are QQ without knowing what is going on in the game. Right .. so how can people start "trusting" you, when u don't even play the game? My account is actually still live. Cancelled but live. I also read whats going on with Aion, because, again like I have said, I was following 2.0 and considering going back for it. In short, I am fully aware of whats going on in game. Yes though, you are right. If I don't like it the best thing to do is cancel. That is why I have done just that eh?
Look, let me give you an idea of where I come from and ask you some straight questions... I personally hate MT because 1) I don't see the sense of achievement in it, and 2) it is dishonest (it hides the true cost of play, while slowly ramping up your dependency on it once your make an emotional investment in the game). It is also fully aimed at the young, gullible, naive, and 'addicted', which makes it pretty exploitative. Listen, Corporations like MT because it makes them more money then subs, especially if they can get a sub as well. That money only comes from one place, and thats you and others like you. Hence it is undeniable that MT costs the gamer more for content that should be in anyhow in a sub based game. An argument for MT shops is simply an argument for more expensive gaming experiences. Please, tell me, why do you want that? Why would you support it?
"Listen, the fact is that if I pay a sub I expect to able access all the content and rewards in that game via play. This is why I pay a sub. I don't pay a sub to have in game rewards blocked off from me, unless I fork over extra money."
Right, now .. how do you call the Collection Edition items? Can you EARN them in-game even if you didn't got that CE? Nope, you can't. So basicaly they block rewards from you, so what are you going to do?
when did I support BS CE items either? I don't buy into those at all.
So, once again your point dosent stand.
How many times do I have to knock the ground out from underneath your desperatly poor attempts to win points before you just say, ok enough?
Ok, another line ..
"It is a warning to them about where this game is currently and the road it is heading down."
You were crying like a child about " HEY, NcSoft is making alot of money with Aion ... why they don't start giving updates to the players?" So how did u figured it out, that Aion is "heading down" while in the same time, you were saying ( more or less ) that they do alot of money!? Care to share your "vision"?
Personal insults? Must be outta bullets I guess.
And no, I don't care to share anything with someone who has clearly demonstrated they are obviously just here for the fight.
And .. about this one : "Please, tell me, why do you want that? Why would you support it?"
I don't care if is there, as I am not buying those kind of packs. If other people are enjoying them, while it does not "hurt" me in-game, fine, I don't care. NcSoft can sell whatever they want to sell, as long as they limit their items ( you get the point ).
I have explained this already, but you obviously chose to avoid it before and scrabble around trying to score points on silly stuff.
I will repeat it below to avoid further confusion and make it clear for you.
My straight forward question to you (again) is this;
Corporations like MT because it makes them more money then subs, especially if they can get a sub as well. That money only comes from one place, and thats you and others like you. Hence it is undeniable that MT costs the gamer more for content that should be in anyhow in a sub based game.
An argument for MT shops is simply an argument for more expensive gaming experiences.
Please, tell me, why do you want that? Why would you support it?
Want to just answer it?
I also find it hilarious that everyone (well, except one poster that answered me once honestly) who supports MT 'never ever buys it'... It seems noone actually uses it heh... Yet the corps make all that money off it... Weird eh?
It's almost as if the people that use it are embarassed about it...
the MT they have now doesn't bother me as much, but does seem NC is getting greedier over the years. Atleast on CoV if you bought one of those armor packs you could use it on any and every character you ever make. the big selling point on whats on the Aion stuff would be the True Red Dye the rest of it is just crap. so its $10 for 5 dyes, may have been worth it if it was like CoV and you could get the dyes on every character you have or make from now on. can only have 8 characters anyway total.
Agree, having the packs on all chars, would be much better as far as I heard as I am not buying does kind of things
Well Ice, this is what you are supporting and arguing for.
Maximum profiteering for the devs.
Tell me, why do you think it's better to sell packs for an account rather then individual characters?
No answers to this post Ice?
I will ask again, because I am still interested...
Tell me, why do you think it's better to sell packs for an account rather then individual characters?
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Well, I suppose that's fair enough. I know you are not alone in your feelings there so obviously there must be something to it. At least for people who have experienced other games that have delivered for them.
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If someones is against RMT in principle fair enough, but please dont bitch because of the price. I mean £5.99 c'mon.
No, your right, £5.99 isnt a big sum of cash, but I guess it's what you are buying for it that matters.
Hey, I hear your building a house? I have a hand full of builders sand, want to buy it for £5.99? or wouldnt that be good value?
What do you mean 'even WoW'? Who even mentioned WoW? Why do people always have to drag that game up in every conversation like it's the only game they know?
No, again, and I have said this a few times, if you had read the OP you would see I have many issues and MT was just the final straw. Your LoLing at something you obviosuly havent even bothered reading, which isnt a great sign.
C'mon people, theres more to a post then the frikin title
As for trends... everythings ok with you, as long as it's a 'trend'? As long as there is a line of sheeple to join the end of?
Jesus, what happened to free thought?
oh awesome! lets let them double dip already paying customers. You really dont think people bought both WoW pets to get the 75pet achievment?
I play all ghame
What do you mean 'even WoW'? Who even mentioned WoW? Why do people always have to drag that game up in every conversation like it's the only game they know?
No, again, and I have said this a few times, if you had read the OP you would see I have many issues and MT was just the final straw. Your LoLing at something you obviosuly havent even bothered reading, which isnt a great sign.
C'mon people, theres more to a post then the frikin title
As for trends... everythings ok with you, as long as it's a 'trend'? As long as there is a line of sheeple to join the end of?
Jesus, what happened to free thought?
lol free though? That is dead as well as common sense. MT is the wave of the future and it sucks if you truly love MMORPGs as I do. I would rather pay my $15 a month and be able to play the game without having to fork over more money to get items though a shop.
I do not mind companies allow players to pay to transfer charaters but that is were I draw the line, changing races, changing sides? Really? Start a new character if you want to try a difference race, start a new character if you want to join the other realm, start a new character if you want to be a female/male this time. These things are starting to make me rethinking supporting the MMORPG genre.
I see a few games that are currently being developed that are going to hopfully break these trends but we will have to wait and see.
Sooner or Later
First of, don't come here putting a different title in your thread, and then talk about different things like how u don't like the game because of X reasons which has nothing to do with your title thread. Got something against Aion? Then start QQ as you should.
Aion being a MT game? Why didn't you paste all the informations for the Valentines day packs? Let me do that for you:
The True Love Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
The Chocolate Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
Now, you were saying why didn't they give us the 2.0 version or any other versions first, before this update? THIS is a Valentine's Day, they needed to come with something for this "special day", so here it is. You don't like it? DON'T buy it.
About the Gender change,Character and Legion name change those were done way back in Korea, so they just implemented here in EU/NA along with the Valentine's Day update. Again, you don't like it? Don't buy it. How all does changes affect your game play, if my I ask?!
About the 2.0 version and beyond if you are not kinda informed, those will have some MAJOR changes and I believe it will atleast double the game in terms of everything, and those kind of updates you are not releasing them over night, it needs time, and they will not rush their release, because I am pretty sure NcSoft does not want QQ's as you are, saying : OMG..those updates are so bugged , I /quit .
But then again, if you don't like Aion , then quit , unsub or never resub.
Move along!
Edit: You were already "done" with Aion before this update, so please, start picking up your next game, if you didn't already did that!
First off, really no need for the combative tone in the way you post, this thread isnt about looking for a fight. If you don't like the QQ you don't have to read it and you don't have to respond.
Secondly, I expected people to read more then the title. I guess you only judge an entire post by the few words at the top, which is a shame. Others don't though.
The MT was the final straw, so it went in the title. I am sorry if this bothers you so much.
Thirdly, like I said very clearly, I wasnt really done before. In my mind I considered my account suspended, it was the recent events that have pushed it over into terminated.
As for how MT being preseent in a sub based game effects me if i buy it or not, well I have explained that a thousand times in other threads, but this one really isnt about whether MT in games is good or bad so i won't again here. For the purpose of what I am saying here, its enough to say for this OP I am making that I don't like it.
To be clear, I have never said gender change etc SERVICES are a massive problem for me, read my post again, or even my sig it's all there.
The OP wasnt made to 'ruin' the game, it's wildly successful and very unlikely any post could do that, or an attempt to change the minds of people playing it, but really only to maybe warn those out there who havent purchased Aion that feel the same way i do about MT, poor value for money, and terrible CS in our games. It's just a warning for those that might share my general perspective. Take it or leave it.
I did read all your post, and I still don't get it. What exactly are you trying to say here? That you don't like the MT? Fine, as I said it , don't buy the packs, play the game as it does not affects you in any way.
You made some mistakes in your thread, you were saying that Aion is a MT game now, when I proved you that is not. The packs will expire on the 28 February so obviously is not a MT game and even so, it does not have any items that will help the buyers of the packs to be "better" then you in-game.
You are trying to warn people here for what? Geezes, wake up .. if you don't like it , don't buy it, don't support NcSoft. Oh wait .. you are not playing the game, but you are QQ without knowing what is going on in the game. Right .. so how can people start "trusting" you, when u don't even play the game?
For the other points, which u were saying in the OP I will not comment as I don't care if you like it or not. It only matters if I enjoy them, which of course, I do. So I don't need "valid points" from someone who don't even play the game!
But then again, you .. keep QQ'ing here ok? I will just login now as there will be some nice sieges in about 15 mins !
Arrivederci !
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
the MT they have now doesn't bother me as much, but does seem NC is getting greedier over the years. Atleast on CoV if you bought one of those armor packs you could use it on any and every character you ever make. the big selling point on whats on the Aion stuff would be the True Red Dye the rest of it is just crap. so its $10 for 5 dyes, may have been worth it if it was like CoV and you could get the dyes on every character you have or make from now on. can only have 8 characters anyway total.
Agree, having the packs on all chars, would be much better as far as I heard as I am not buying does kind of things
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
I'm gonna admit I didn't really read every post, just the first 10 or so. I'm basically just gonna say what others have been saying. I have no idea why the OP thinks this is strange or crazy of NC Soft and angers him so much.
Let's take a look at the most popular, in subscription numbers anyway, MMO which is WoW.
All amounts are in USD:
$15 - Character recustomization(name and appearance change)
$25 - Server transfer
$25 - Race change
$10 - in-game pet (pandaren monk or little k.t.)
So if the most popular game is subscription based but offers special paid services that do not affect game balance or play, then why wouldn't other companies like NCSoft follow suit with Aion. Please, be realistic. That is one of the most ridiculous reasons to quit a game.
On another note, I think the game is just fine with the current content. It was well above many other titles that have launched recently. You shouldn't expect any new game to launch with the amount of content WoW has come up with in the past 5-6 years. Unfortunately, my friends didn't enjoy Aion and they all pulled me back to WoW. Hmm, what did I experience in my first week back in WoW. (Let's see...two broken quests in Howling Fjorde and gold spam tells. ) Let's not kid ourselves, most every game has this to some extinct. Fallen Earth has some buggy quests, but at least the mods actually monitor chat and I've had no gold spam t here.
First of, don't come here putting a different title in your thread, and then talk about different things like how u don't like the game because of X reasons which has nothing to do with your title thread. Got something against Aion? Then start QQ as you should.
Aion being a MT game? Why didn't you paste all the informations for the Valentines day packs? Let me do that for you:
The True Love Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
The Chocolate Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
Now, you were saying why didn't they give us the 2.0 version or any other versions first, before this update? THIS is a Valentine's Day, they needed to come with something for this "special day", so here it is. You don't like it? DON'T buy it.
About the Gender change,Character and Legion name change those were done way back in Korea, so they just implemented here in EU/NA along with the Valentine's Day update. Again, you don't like it? Don't buy it. How all does changes affect your game play, if my I ask?!
About the 2.0 version and beyond if you are not kinda informed, those will have some MAJOR changes and I believe it will atleast double the game in terms of everything, and those kind of updates you are not releasing them over night, it needs time, and they will not rush their release, because I am pretty sure NcSoft does not want QQ's as you are, saying : OMG..those updates are so bugged , I /quit .
But then again, if you don't like Aion , then quit , unsub or never resub.
Move along!
Edit: You were already "done" with Aion before this update, so please, start picking up your next game, if you didn't already did that!
First off, really no need for the combative tone in the way you post, this thread isnt about looking for a fight. If you don't like the QQ you don't have to read it and you don't have to respond.
Secondly, I expected people to read more then the title. I guess you only judge an entire post by the few words at the top, which is a shame. Others don't though.
The MT was the final straw, so it went in the title. I am sorry if this bothers you so much.
Thirdly, like I said very clearly, I wasnt really done before. In my mind I considered my account suspended, it was the recent events that have pushed it over into terminated.
As for how MT being preseent in a sub based game effects me if i buy it or not, well I have explained that a thousand times in other threads, but this one really isnt about whether MT in games is good or bad so i won't again here. For the purpose of what I am saying here, its enough to say for this OP I am making that I don't like it.
To be clear, I have never said gender change etc SERVICES are a massive problem for me, read my post again, or even my sig it's all there.
The OP wasnt made to 'ruin' the game, it's wildly successful and very unlikely any post could do that, or an attempt to change the minds of people playing it, but really only to maybe warn those out there who havent purchased Aion that feel the same way i do about MT, poor value for money, and terrible CS in our games. It's just a warning for those that might share my general perspective. Take it or leave it.
I did read all your post, and I still don't get it. What exactly are you trying to say here? That you don't like the MT? Fine, as I said it , don't buy the packs, play the game as it does not affects you in any way.
ok, let me break it down for you, to make it hopefully clearer. I will try and make it easier for you.
I am saying that if I, as a MT hater, buy a non MT game and it goes MT that will be the final nail in the coffin make me leave it.
Listen, the fact is that if I pay a sub I expect to able access all the content and rewards in that game via play. This is why I pay a sub. I don't pay a sub to have in game rewards blocked off from me, unless I fork over extra money.
I was sold Aion as a non MT game. It is now a MT game, and if I had wanted that I would have just joined a F2P one.
You made some mistakes in your thread, you were saying that Aion is a MT game now, when I proved you that is not.
How is it not? It is selling in game items for real life money. Thats the definition of MT lol.
The packs will expire on the 28 February so obviously is not a MT game and even so, it does not have any items that will help the buyers of the packs to be "better" then you in-game.
MT isnt defined by bringing the player in game advantages is it though?
I don't accept your 'proving'. Your just wrong.
You are trying to warn people here for what?
Like I said already, but once more for you, it is a warning for people that may share the same view as me regarding the sub+MT model and poor game support and worse CS
It is a warning to them about where this game is currently and the road it is heading down. It is a warning to not play it and save their money.
You may not wanna hear it, but others do. All you have to do for it to stop for you is stop participating in this thread.
Geezes, wake up ..if you don't like it , don't buy it, don't support NcSoft. Oh wait .. you are not playing the game, but you are QQ without knowing what is going on in the game. Right .. so how can people start "trusting" you, when u don't even play the game?
My account is actually still live. Cancelled but live. I also read whats going on with Aion, because, again like I have said, I was following 2.0 and considering going back for it. In short, I am fully aware of whats going on in game.
Yes though, you are right. If I don't like it the best thing to do is cancel. That is why I have done just that eh?
Look, let me give you an idea of where I come from and ask you some straight questions...
I personally hate MT because 1) I don't see the sense of achievement in it, and 2) it is dishonest (it hides the true cost of play, while slowly ramping up your dependency on it once your make an emotional investment in the game).
It is also fully aimed at the young, gullible, naive, and 'addicted', which makes it pretty exploitative.
Listen, Corporations like MT because it makes them more money then subs, especially if they can get a sub as well. That money only comes from one place, and thats you and others like you. Hence it is undeniable that MT costs the gamer more for content that should be in anyhow in a sub based game.
An argument for MT shops is simply an argument for more expensive gaming experiences.
Please, tell me, why do you want that? Why would you support it?
The matter of MT is not focus on whether you like it or you don’t like it because none of you are spokesman of Ncsoft to address in this forum.
Everyone has his own opinion to judge for the game they paid to play deserves to pay extra money to get it or not.
Plastic Surgery already built in the game when it released but Ncsoft did not activate this function from the beginning. Since Aion provides a wild customized character, and some people don’t even know how his avatar corresponding with the graphics ratio, it may be too large or too small because the character customization does not gives precise ratio. For example, too long hands or too long legs ….etc.
And people being told that they could change from plastic surgery, as matter of fact, plastic surgery is not to right word. More properly to say is character re-customized function. So people did not delete their wrongly created character shape or appearance but tried to complete the useless starter zone to Sanctum to re-customize their avatar(s). But they just found out there is no function from the Plastic Surgery NPC.
After a few months, Ncsoft uses the character customization defectives or say incompletion to charge further cost. I am not sure if there are more like this customization deployed in Aion from the very beginning.
As said above, it is not the point whether you like it or you don’t like it. But it is whether this game worthy you to play or not. If you don’t like it and you don’t want to pay extra but you still want to continue to play Aion, it means you accept whatever Ncsoft done to you, and you also accept Ncsoft poor customer support as well as those positive you think you got it from the game.
The opinion is not to gather to boycott Ncsoft move but just an opinion as same as when Ncsoft supposed to force player to installing their Guard software.
Therefore, you can’t judge people against the MT as a troll. It is all based on consumer’s viewpoint instead of Ncsoft viewpoint.
Agree, having the packs on all chars, would be much better as far as I heard as I am not buying does kind of things
Well Ice, this is what you are supporting and arguing for.
Maximum profiteering for the devs.
Tell me, why do you think it's better to sell packs for an account rather then individual characters?
Actually they do already.
Lotro offers character slots for cash, shared bank storage among characters for additional cash, server transfer, and even mount at sooner level for cash, and premium items for cash.
Lotro can already be called Subscribtion based game with microtransactions as well.
REALITY CHECK
Actually they do already.
Lotro offers character slots for cash, shared bank storage among characters for additional cash, server transfer, and even mount at sooner level for cash, and premium items for cash.
Lotro can already be called Subscribtion based game with microtransactions as well.
You forgot to say the majority of Lotro player are lifetime free players.
While I agree with you that nickle and diming over 'vanity' items seems rather silly, I don't blame the companies that do it since people obviously pay for this stuff. If I was a company that had an MMO I'd do the same thing if I knew it would generate profit for me. I can only imagine the killing Blizzard makes on their paid services (they probably make decent money on the vanity pets). Most people buy this stuff because they want it, not because they are getting bombarded saying they need to buy it.
Now I wouldn't pay for that, but then again I'm not the type of player that cares for that type of stuff. I'm also not in any position to tell people how to spend their money and if they think they are getting value for spending 5-10 bucks on a nice hat or fancy color dye, so be it.
Actually they do already.
Lotro offers character slots for cash, shared bank storage among characters for additional cash, server transfer, and even mount at sooner level for cash, and premium items for cash.
Lotro can already be called Subscribtion based game with microtransactions as well.
You forgot to say the majority of Lotro player are lifetime free players.
Yep, Lotro is basically free to play for 65% of its playerbase with microtransactions (paying for additonal content - SoM, paying for additional character slots, premium items, mounts at sooner level, shared bank storage)
The 65% figure comes from numerous official forum polls such as this one:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/lord-rings-online-general-discussion-424/405955-what-type-subscription-do-you-have.html
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/lord-rings-online-general-discussion-424/406325-lifetimers-when-did-you-pay-your-lifetime.html
REALITY CHECK
Not only are these items "Vanity" which has already been discussed...not only are they special to Valentines day which has also already been said...but, really? Of all the things you can pick out of the game, the fact that they have a special valentine's day event with vanity crap that costs extra is the last straw? I mean, if you're going to quit, I'm almost CERTAIN that you can find something better.
Also, you have to understand that NCSOFT in America isn't developing a whole heck of a lot. NCSOFT in Korea is developing the game, probably with added input on balancing, features, etc. from the NA and EU side of things. The game is in 4(I think) regions right now, Korea, China, EU, and NA. NCsoft has publisher branches that are hosting the games in these countries, but only Korea really contributes to the development. So, if you're mad about 2.0 not being out yet, blame the Koreans. If you're mad about the lack of content, blame the Koreans. Don't blame the poor American and European souls who have to put up with crap like this every day. What exactly do you propose THEY do about it? How much influence does their feedback ACTUALLY play a factor in the Home Office's decisions? You're going through too many middle men if you expect your opinion to be heard.
This is just another way to nickel and dime thier customers. Free holiday theme content is a thing of the past.
First of, don't come here putting a different title in your thread, and then talk about different things like how u don't like the game because of X reasons which has nothing to do with your title thread. Got something against Aion? Then start QQ as you should.
Aion being a MT game? Why didn't you paste all the informations for the Valentines day packs? Let me do that for you:
The True Love Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
The Chocolate Valentine Pack is available until February 28, 2010.
Now, you were saying why didn't they give us the 2.0 version or any other versions first, before this update? THIS is a Valentine's Day, they needed to come with something for this "special day", so here it is. You don't like it? DON'T buy it.
About the Gender change,Character and Legion name change those were done way back in Korea, so they just implemented here in EU/NA along with the Valentine's Day update. Again, you don't like it? Don't buy it. How all does changes affect your game play, if my I ask?!
About the 2.0 version and beyond if you are not kinda informed, those will have some MAJOR changes and I believe it will atleast double the game in terms of everything, and those kind of updates you are not releasing them over night, it needs time, and they will not rush their release, because I am pretty sure NcSoft does not want QQ's as you are, saying : OMG..those updates are so bugged , I /quit .
But then again, if you don't like Aion , then quit , unsub or never resub.
Move along!
Edit: You were already "done" with Aion before this update, so please, start picking up your next game, if you didn't already did that!
First off, really no need for the combative tone in the way you post, this thread isnt about looking for a fight. If you don't like the QQ you don't have to read it and you don't have to respond.
Secondly, I expected people to read more then the title. I guess you only judge an entire post by the few words at the top, which is a shame. Others don't though.
The MT was the final straw, so it went in the title. I am sorry if this bothers you so much.
Thirdly, like I said very clearly, I wasnt really done before. In my mind I considered my account suspended, it was the recent events that have pushed it over into terminated.
As for how MT being preseent in a sub based game effects me if i buy it or not, well I have explained that a thousand times in other threads, but this one really isnt about whether MT in games is good or bad so i won't again here. For the purpose of what I am saying here, its enough to say for this OP I am making that I don't like it.
To be clear, I have never said gender change etc SERVICES are a massive problem for me, read my post again, or even my sig it's all there.
The OP wasnt made to 'ruin' the game, it's wildly successful and very unlikely any post could do that, or an attempt to change the minds of people playing it, but really only to maybe warn those out there who havent purchased Aion that feel the same way i do about MT, poor value for money, and terrible CS in our games. It's just a warning for those that might share my general perspective. Take it or leave it.
I did read all your post, and I still don't get it. What exactly are you trying to say here? That you don't like the MT? Fine, as I said it , don't buy the packs, play the game as it does not affects you in any way.
ok, let me break it down for you, to make it hopefully clearer. I will try and make it easier for you.
I am saying that if I, as a MT hater, buy a non MT game and it goes MT that will be the final nail in the coffin make me leave it.
Listen, the fact is that if I pay a sub I expect to able access all the content and rewards in that game via play. This is why I pay a sub. I don't pay a sub to have in game rewards blocked off from me, unless I fork over extra money.
I was sold Aion as a non MT game. It is now a MT game, and if I had wanted that I would have just joined a F2P one.
You made some mistakes in your thread, you were saying that Aion is a MT game now, when I proved you that is not.
How is it not? It is selling in game items for real life money. Thats the definition of MT lol.
The packs will expire on the 28 February so obviously is not a MT game and even so, it does not have any items that will help the buyers of the packs to be "better" then you in-game.
MT isnt defined by bringing the player in game advantages is it though?
I don't accept your 'proving'. Your just wrong.
You are trying to warn people here for what?
Like I said already, but once more for you, it is a warning for people that may share the same view as me regarding the sub+MT model and poor game support and worse CS
It is a warning to them about where this game is currently and the road it is heading down. It is a warning to not play it and save their money.
You may not wanna hear it, but others do. All you have to do for it to stop for you is stop participating in this thread.
Geezes, wake up ..if you don't like it , don't buy it, don't support NcSoft. Oh wait .. you are not playing the game, but you are QQ without knowing what is going on in the game. Right .. so how can people start "trusting" you, when u don't even play the game?
My account is actually still live. Cancelled but live. I also read whats going on with Aion, because, again like I have said, I was following 2.0 and considering going back for it. In short, I am fully aware of whats going on in game.
Yes though, you are right. If I don't like it the best thing to do is cancel. That is why I have done just that eh?
Look, let me give you an idea of where I come from and ask you some straight questions...
I personally hate MT because 1) I don't see the sense of achievement in it, and 2) it is dishonest (it hides the true cost of play, while slowly ramping up your dependency on it once your make an emotional investment in the game).
It is also fully aimed at the young, gullible, naive, and 'addicted', which makes it pretty exploitative.
Listen, Corporations like MT because it makes them more money then subs, especially if they can get a sub as well. That money only comes from one place, and thats you and others like you. Hence it is undeniable that MT costs the gamer more for content that should be in anyhow in a sub based game.
An argument for MT shops is simply an argument for more expensive gaming experiences.
Please, tell me, why do you want that? Why would you support it?
You have some serious problems there my "friend". You are talking non-sens right there, but let me quote a line from you alright? Just one, as there are many more, but I just don't feel it like I should start doing it right now.
"Listen, the fact is that if I pay a sub I expect to able access all the content and rewards in that game via play. This is why I pay a sub. I don't pay a sub to have in game rewards blocked off from me, unless I fork over extra money."
Right, now .. how do you call the Collection Edition items? Can you EARN them in-game even if you didn't got that CE? Nope, you can't. So basicaly they block rewards from you, so what are you going to do?
Ok, another line ..
"It is a warning to them about where this game is currently and the road it is heading down."
You were crying like a child about " HEY, NcSoft is making alot of money with Aion ... why they don't start giving updates to the players?" So how did u figured it out, that Aion is "heading down" while in the same time, you were saying ( more or less ) that they do alot of money!? Care to share your "vision"?
And .. about this one : "Please, tell me, why do you want that? Why would you support it?"
I don't care if is there, as I am not buying those kind of packs. If other people are enjoying them, while it does not "hurt" me in-game, fine, I don't care. NcSoft can sell whatever they want to sell, as long as they limit their items ( you get the point ).
Now, let me welcome you to the MMORPGs
Welcome to MMORPG's. Please be advice that while you are playing your game, you may see different characters with other items then you have, different level's then you are and many more. If you find this disturbing, please quit the game, stop QQ because there is nothing you can do and you will not achieve anything by QQing.
Thank you!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Good post OP. Your stating your case and like someone posted previously, voting with your wallet on principle. I will play a game with MT, I will play a game with a subscription charge. But I won't do both.
It's one or the other. I feel that I am getting sneakily getting double charged. To Devs and Publishers: Be up front and pick your poison.
Whether its cosmetic items or not: We paid a box price and we pay a monthly fee, give it to us! Is this really costing you an extra 5.99 or do you need to make your quarterly numbers?
I've heard so much bad press about NCSofts lack of security. I'll never play this or any other NCS game. IF they are making you pay an extra 5.99 for something, then they best the hell give their customers better security. Hundreds of Aion players have had their accounts hacked and they do nothing about it.
Sad.
This is the living proof about someone who have no idea about the game.
"Hundreds of Aion players have had their accounts hacked and they do nothing about it."
In 95% cases, there were players fault, and the rest 5% are "unknowing" but I bet that is their fault too
Btw, you think that by paying a monthly fee you should get everything else for free? How many expansion have u bought? As how u put it , you want that expansion to be free too right?
Yea .. though so!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
"Listen, the fact is that if I pay a sub I expect to able access all the content and rewards in that game via play. This is why I pay a sub. I don't pay a sub to have in game rewards blocked off from me, unless I fork over extra money."
Right, now .. how do you call the Collection Edition items? Can you EARN them in-game even if you didn't got that CE? Nope, you can't. So basicaly they block rewards from you, so what are you going to do?
when did I support BS CE items either? I don't buy into those at all.
So, once again your point dosent stand.
How many times do I have to knock the ground out from underneath your desperatly poor attempts to win points before you just say, ok enough?
Ok, another line ..
"It is a warning to them about where this game is currently and the road it is heading down."
You were crying like a child about " HEY, NcSoft is making alot of money with Aion ... why they don't start giving updates to the players?" So how did u figured it out, that Aion is "heading down" while in the same time, you were saying ( more or less ) that they do alot of money!? Care to share your "vision"?
Personal insults? Must be outta bullets I guess.
And no, I don't care to share anything with someone who has clearly demonstrated they are obviously just here for the fight.
And .. about this one : "Please, tell me, why do you want that? Why would you support it?"
I don't care if is there, as I am not buying those kind of packs. If other people are enjoying them, while it does not "hurt" me in-game, fine, I don't care. NcSoft can sell whatever they want to sell, as long as they limit their items ( you get the point ).
I have explained this already, but you obviously chose to avoid it before and scrabble around trying to score points on silly stuff.
I will repeat it below to avoid further confusion and make it clear for you.
My straight forward question to you (again) is this;
Corporations like MT because it makes them more money then subs, especially if they can get a sub as well. That money only comes from one place, and thats you and others like you. Hence it is undeniable that MT costs the gamer more for content that should be in anyhow in a sub based game.
An argument for MT shops is simply an argument for more expensive gaming experiences.
Please, tell me, why do you want that? Why would you support it?
Want to just answer it?
I also find it hilarious that everyone (well, except one poster that answered me once honestly) who supports MT 'never ever buys it'... It seems noone actually uses it heh... Yet the corps make all that money off it... Weird eh?
It's almost as if the people that use it are embarassed about it...
Agree, having the packs on all chars, would be much better as far as I heard as I am not buying does kind of things
Well Ice, this is what you are supporting and arguing for.
Maximum profiteering for the devs.
Tell me, why do you think it's better to sell packs for an account rather then individual characters?
No answers to this post Ice?
I will ask again, because I am still interested...
Tell me, why do you think it's better to sell packs for an account rather then individual characters?