i cant wait for GW2 i saw that trailer that is out and it looks freaking awesome and not only the graphics but the gameplay to and how when u help a city or town it doesnt just reset for the next player to come alone and do it thats what i like most about it
It does reset for next player maybe not immediately but it does. it might be cool for first few tries but after that it will be a repetition just like any other MMO.
Not quite. That would be true if all the events were static (as in begins bunch of objectives finishes then restarts) and if they were all available all of the time but they're not. They're 1500 events each with different length "cycles" that will be triggered by players and be at different stages, with some not even triggered for long amount of time and many are layered on top of each other.
That is why it's called a "dynamic" event system. Even if you went through the game 100 times it's is unlikely that'll see the exact same events in the exact same stage in any two runs through it. The fact that some of them require very specific and rare conditions in order to occur mean that some events you will not see again for a very long time. The event "cycles" are mathematical variables and there are millions of combinations.
Are you sure? you telling me there will be no repeptition at all, it seems highly unlikely. How many times you are going to save towns or escort npc from point A to B or defend some poor caravan in need? i am also excited about this game but i am also trying to be practical here.
I'm not talking about repetition I'm talking about variables. It's basically like the lottery, the likelihood of getting one number is fairly high not great but fairly high, likelihood of 2 a bit less, 3 a lot less, 4 very unlikely, 5 very very unlikely, 6 extremely unlikely, 7 you start getting into the ridiculous range, 8 more likely to get hit by lightning however many times.
It's the same with events. You may do some of the exact same stages of events again but it's extremely extremely unlikley that if you do what 15 stages of different events that you see all the same events in the exact same stage, unless you basically cheated and somebody told you which stage all the events were at.
Of course I would have no idea about how similar each event is themselves since I haven't played the game but if I take each event as different then what I'm saying is roughly correct.
Yap, that's what i think too. And there's more info about DES that few ppl know about:
If, on the other hand, players fail to destroy the army, it will establish a fort in friendly player territory. From there, the dredge will send shipments of troops and supplies to the fort from the main base while building up walls, turrets, and siege engines to help defend it. Enemy dredge forces will then begin to move out from their newly established fort to attack friendly player locations in the area, sending snipers out into the hills, sending assault team forces to capture friendly player villages, and trying to smash down friendly fortifications with massive dredge walkers. All of these events continue to cascade out into further chains of events where cause and effect is directly related to the player's actions.
For example, if the players do not mobilize to stop the dredge snipers, they'll begin to shoot down all the villagers and merchants in nearby friendly villages. If they fail to stop the dredge assault teams from capturing a village, players will need to lead a force to help liberate the town and free the villagers. All of this content is derived from a single initial event - the dredge army marching through the map.
Eheheh xD
Seems like a mix between WAR's pup quest and EQ 2 Wargrounds (Forget what they are called).
Personally it sounds cool but not THAT cool. Not really enough to convince me it will be better then WoW, Rift, SWToR, FF or TERA. And the combat judging from the new gameplay video does not look all to overwhelming. So for me the Dynamic Event System is nothing more then an aspect of the game. As is WAR's RvR or the ability to fly in AION. And its not really innovative as the Elder Scroll games had something similar.
I mean come on now, lets face it nothing in the video game industry is innovative anymore, like the T.V industry its all been done before.
I'm looking forward to both but as of late I'm starting to like GW2 more and more. Maybe it's the information that has been realeased with game features for GW2 that I like and the lack of information from Bioware about SWTOR. Once Bioware releases more information, perhaps it swings back in their direction, I certainly love the Star Wars setting.
Guild Wars 2 already won. They both attended Gamescon and Guild Wars 2 won Best Online Game over SW:TOR.
Lawl. In the GW2 demo they where playing high level characters in a boss fight.
In ToR they where playing low level characters doing starting quest.
On a side note both WAR and Aion also won that very award.
They were playing mid-level characters, and you know what the low level character gameplay was as awesome as the mid-level characters so that's saying something.
Guild Wars 2 already won. They both attended Gamescon and Guild Wars 2 won Best Online Game over SW:TOR.
Lawl. In the GW2 demo they where playing high level characters in a boss fight.
In ToR they where playing low level characters doing starting quest.
On a side note both WAR and Aion also won that very award.
Actually no.
The majority of the presentation was actually the human starter zone (levels 1-10). The rest was the dragon dynamic even, for mid-lvl players (lvl 48? charr, max lvl in this game is 80).
From what I saw out of the TOR footage, GW2s starter event was way above what TOR showed, or even what WAR had to offer.
Guild Wars 2 already won. They both attended Gamescon and Guild Wars 2 won Best Online Game over SW:TOR.
Lawl. In the GW2 demo they where playing high level characters in a boss fight.
In ToR they where playing low level characters doing starting quest.
On a side note both WAR and Aion also won that very award.
Actually no.
The majority of the presentation was actually the human starter zone (levels 1-10). The rest was the dragon dynamic even, for mid-lvl players (lvl 48? charr, max lvl in this game is 80).
From what I saw out of the TOR footage, In my opinion GW2s starter event was way above what TOR showed, or even what WAR had to offer.
looking forward to both...but more and more SWTOR is looking like a fancy Hellgate London within a starwars setting and storyline...
by the way, this post is completely unnecessary...there's a top seven right on the front page with most hyped games...GW2 is #1, SWTOR is #5. Poll answered.
Lol, 'you got me' in my opinion having physically more content, that's more dynamic, and encourages group play, with battles of a larger scale (GW2) is more impressive than the lesser amount of content, that's less dynamic, and primarily solo, with much smaller battles present in SWTOR.
Honestly, you can dance around the gamescon event as much as you want, but the award was given to GW2 for a reason. There was literally more stuff, with more polish, shown in the GW2 demo than in SWTOR (from what we've been shown). That's not an opinion, that's simple fact. Whether or not you like that stuff is entirely your opinion, and I still liked some aspects of SWTOR, but overall I think they need to show some more stuff if they want to compete with GW2's hype atm.
Guild Wars 2 already won. They both attended Gamescon and Guild Wars 2 won Best Online Game over SW:TOR.
Lawl. In the GW2 demo they where playing high level characters in a boss fight.
In ToR they where playing low level characters doing starting quest.
On a side note both WAR and Aion also won that very award.
Actually no.
The majority of the presentation was actually the human starter zone (levels 1-10). The rest was the dragon dynamic even, for mid-lvl players (lvl 48? charr, max lvl in this game is 80).
From what I saw out of the TOR footage, In my opinion GW2s starter event was way above what TOR showed, or even what WAR had to offer.
I was not a fan of GW1 at all, mainly as for me I like "worlds with a game put in it" rather than "games with something resembling a world loosely attached" but GW2 looks to be trying hard to break out of the co-op rpg & build a good mmorpg.
BioWare, not to be underestimated but they aren't doing anything new besides storyline & storylines grow old pretty fast for the short attention span gamers that now moved into mass gaming. So unless EA have the marketing machine cranked up to supermassive black hole mode & have an all-media blitz, tv mags trial discs gigantic stands outside game shops tons of shelf space etc they'll not be able to get "WoW in Star-Wars mode" out of the 1 million bracket.
I personally think that GW2 will be the "Gamers choice" & SWTOR will be the mass market choice, GW2 will be the better game but TOR will pull people in by sheer gravitas, much like WoW did, provided they can gain a comparable "popular culture icon" presence in the general public's mind.
I'll try both though & stick with the one that's most fun.
Scroll down to awards. It won it its just not listed on wiki.
GW2 gameplay is also new, while ToR is not. People like new shiny things.
Which is why so many new games do great, and the old clunky, dirty, and bad game WoW has no subbers right?
After seeing the new stuff, I am getting more and more excited about GW2. I really wish I could PLAY it, rather then watch it. But same goes for TOR. Ah well.
I was not a fan of GW1 at all, mainly as for me I like "worlds with a game put in it" rather than "games with something resembling a world loosely attached" but GW2 looks to be trying hard to break out of the co-op rpg & build a good mmorpg.
BioWare, not to be underestimated but they aren't doing anything new besides storyline & storylines grow old pretty fast for the short attention span gamers that now moved into mass gaming. So unless EA have the marketing machine cranked up to supermassive black hole mode & have an all-media blitz, tv mags trial discs gigantic stands outside game shops tons of shelf space etc they'll not be able to get "WoW in Star-Wars mode" out of the 1 million bracket.
I personally think that GW2 will be the "Gamers choice" & SWTOR will be the mass market choice, GW2 will be the better game but TOR will pull people in by sheer gravitas, much like WoW did, provided they can gain a comparable "popular culture icon" presence in the general public's mind.
I'll try both though & stick with the one that's most fun.
Scroll down to where it says reception. WoW is one of if not the best MMO on the market right now, the numbers prove it plan and simple. Why can't people just admit it? You may not like it but half the mmo market does.
Scroll down to awards. It won it its just not listed on wiki.
GW2 gameplay is also new, while ToR is not. People like new shiny things.
Which is why so many new games do great, and the old clunky, dirty, and bad game WoW has no subbers right?
After seeing the new stuff, I am getting more and more excited about GW2. I really wish I could PLAY it, rather then watch it. But same goes for TOR. Ah well.
While I also believes the same I still wouldn't count out Bioware yet. They do have a history of selling many games and have many fans, more than ANET. Blizzard got their first 2 million players from Blizzard fans and then it started to grow by itself, this could happen again.
I think GW2 will be most popular by people on this site but that TOR will get many new people who usually just play single player RPGs to start.
I think TOR will generate more money too but I think GW will sell twice the numbers of copies that the first game if not more.
I still havn't hated a Bioware game but I do see myself more likely playing GW2, to me TOR seems to close to Wow and I want something new but I will keep my eyes on it.
Which is why so many new games do great, and the old clunky, dirty, and bad game WoW has no subbers right?
After seeing the new stuff, I am getting more and more excited about GW2. I really wish I could PLAY it, rather then watch it. But same goes for TOR. Ah well.
Actually, all Wow players I know (15 or so) have quit Wow at least one time for another game, even the worst fanatic.
The problem was that games like WAR, AoC and AION couldn't keep them occupied for more than a month, and they slowly returned to Wow again.
People do like shiny new things but after the first month they still have to be good enough to keep the people playing them. And Wow is pretty good on having people play it for long.
But don't think that most of them will stay if a new shiny good game actually releases.
I was not a fan of GW1 at all, mainly as for me I like "worlds with a game put in it" rather than "games with something resembling a world loosely attached" but GW2 looks to be trying hard to break out of the co-op rpg & build a good mmorpg.
BioWare, not to be underestimated but they aren't doing anything new besides storyline & storylines grow old pretty fast for the short attention span gamers that now moved into mass gaming. So unless EA have the marketing machine cranked up to supermassive black hole mode & have an all-media blitz, tv mags trial discs gigantic stands outside game shops tons of shelf space etc they'll not be able to get "WoW in Star-Wars mode" out of the 1 million bracket.
I personally think that GW2 will be the "Gamers choice" & SWTOR will be the mass market choice, GW2 will be the better game but TOR will pull people in by sheer gravitas, much like WoW did, provided they can gain a comparable "popular culture icon" presence in the general public's mind.
I'll try both though & stick with the one that's most fun.
Scroll down to where it says reception. WoW is one of if not the best MMO on the market right now, the numbers prove it plan and simple. Why can't people just admit it? You may not like it but half the mmo market does.
Ok I did that & I still do not see where or how your post was in any way shape or form relevant to what I said, were you making any kind of relevant comment to a GW2 vs SWTOR thread or are you just another WoW fanboi ramming it's success down my throat when I hadn't said anything bad at all about WoW in my post?
Colour me totally freakin lost as to understand wtf your point was.
I was not a fan of GW1 at all, mainly as for me I like "worlds with a game put in it" rather than "games with something resembling a world loosely attached" but GW2 looks to be trying hard to break out of the co-op rpg & build a good mmorpg.
BioWare, not to be underestimated but they aren't doing anything new besides storyline & storylines grow old pretty fast for the short attention span gamers that now moved into mass gaming. So unless EA have the marketing machine cranked up to supermassive black hole mode & have an all-media blitz, tv mags trial discs gigantic stands outside game shops tons of shelf space etc they'll not be able to get "WoW in Star-Wars mode" out of the 1 million bracket.
I personally think that GW2 will be the "Gamers choice" & SWTOR will be the mass market choice, GW2 will be the better game but TOR will pull people in by sheer gravitas, much like WoW did, provided they can gain a comparable "popular culture icon" presence in the general public's mind.
I'll try both though & stick with the one that's most fun.
Scroll down to where it says reception. WoW is one of if not the best MMO on the market right now, the numbers prove it plan and simple. Why can't people just admit it? You may not like it but half the mmo market does.
Ok I did that & I still do not see where or how your post was in any way shape or form relevant to what I said, were you making any kind of relevant comment to a GW2 vs SWTOR thread or are you just another WoW fanboi ramming it's success down my throat when I hadn't said anything bad at all about WoW in my post?
Colour me totally freakin lost as to understand wtf your point was.
You're implying that WoW is somehow a low quality. If you're not then I am sorry I miss read.
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Seems like a mix between WAR's pup quest and EQ 2 Wargrounds (Forget what they are called).
Personally it sounds cool but not THAT cool. Not really enough to convince me it will be better then WoW, Rift, SWToR, FF or TERA. And the combat judging from the new gameplay video does not look all to overwhelming. So for me the Dynamic Event System is nothing more then an aspect of the game. As is WAR's RvR or the ability to fly in AION. And its not really innovative as the Elder Scroll games had something similar.
I mean come on now, lets face it nothing in the video game industry is innovative anymore, like the T.V industry its all been done before.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Planning on playing both of them, especially since GW2 has no monthly fee, witch means I don't have to choose one or the other. Waiting for Rift also.
i have no issues w/ SW:TOR but I'm waiting for GW2 without question....
I'm looking forward to both but as of late I'm starting to like GW2 more and more. Maybe it's the information that has been realeased with game features for GW2 that I like and the lack of information from Bioware about SWTOR. Once Bioware releases more information, perhaps it swings back in their direction, I certainly love the Star Wars setting.
Guild Wars 2 already won. They both attended Gamescon and Guild Wars 2 won Best Online Game over SW:TOR.
Lawl. In the GW2 demo they where playing high level characters in a boss fight.
In ToR they where playing low level characters doing starting quest.
On a side note both WAR and Aion also won that very award.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
They were playing mid-level characters, and you know what the low level character gameplay was as awesome as the mid-level characters so that's saying something.
Norn are Norn, we have no need of Signatures!
Actually no.
The majority of the presentation was actually the human starter zone (levels 1-10). The rest was the dragon dynamic even, for mid-lvl players (lvl 48? charr, max lvl in this game is 80).
From what I saw out of the TOR footage, GW2s starter event was way above what TOR showed, or even what WAR had to offer.
Fix'ed.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Reference please and thank you.
looking forward to both...but more and more SWTOR is looking like a fancy Hellgate London within a starwars setting and storyline...
by the way, this post is completely unnecessary...there's a top seven right on the front page with most hyped games...GW2 is #1, SWTOR is #5. Poll answered.
Lol, 'you got me' in my opinion having physically more content, that's more dynamic, and encourages group play, with battles of a larger scale (GW2) is more impressive than the lesser amount of content, that's less dynamic, and primarily solo, with much smaller battles present in SWTOR.
Honestly, you can dance around the gamescon event as much as you want, but the award was given to GW2 for a reason. There was literally more stuff, with more polish, shown in the GW2 demo than in SWTOR (from what we've been shown). That's not an opinion, that's simple fact. Whether or not you like that stuff is entirely your opinion, and I still liked some aspects of SWTOR, but overall I think they need to show some more stuff if they want to compete with GW2's hype atm.
Why do you have a GW2 concept art as an avatar?
Norn are Norn, we have no need of Signatures!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_Online:_Age_of_Reckoning
Scroll down to awards. It won it its just not listed on wiki.
GW2 gameplay is also new, while ToR is not. People like new shiny things.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I was not a fan of GW1 at all, mainly as for me I like "worlds with a game put in it" rather than "games with something resembling a world loosely attached" but GW2 looks to be trying hard to break out of the co-op rpg & build a good mmorpg.
BioWare, not to be underestimated but they aren't doing anything new besides storyline & storylines grow old pretty fast for the short attention span gamers that now moved into mass gaming. So unless EA have the marketing machine cranked up to supermassive black hole mode & have an all-media blitz, tv mags trial discs gigantic stands outside game shops tons of shelf space etc they'll not be able to get "WoW in Star-Wars mode" out of the 1 million bracket.
I personally think that GW2 will be the "Gamers choice" & SWTOR will be the mass market choice, GW2 will be the better game but TOR will pull people in by sheer gravitas, much like WoW did, provided they can gain a comparable "popular culture icon" presence in the general public's mind.
I'll try both though & stick with the one that's most fun.
Guild Wars 2 easy. SW:TOR has nothing on it.
Guild Wars 2!
QFT
Which is why so many new games do great, and the old clunky, dirty, and bad game WoW has no subbers right?
After seeing the new stuff, I am getting more and more excited about GW2. I really wish I could PLAY it, rather then watch it. But same goes for TOR. Ah well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft
Scroll down to where it says reception. WoW is one of if not the best MMO on the market right now, the numbers prove it plan and simple. Why can't people just admit it? You may not like it but half the mmo market does.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
The hell? Read above please.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
While I also believes the same I still wouldn't count out Bioware yet. They do have a history of selling many games and have many fans, more than ANET. Blizzard got their first 2 million players from Blizzard fans and then it started to grow by itself, this could happen again.
I think GW2 will be most popular by people on this site but that TOR will get many new people who usually just play single player RPGs to start.
I think TOR will generate more money too but I think GW will sell twice the numbers of copies that the first game if not more.
I still havn't hated a Bioware game but I do see myself more likely playing GW2, to me TOR seems to close to Wow and I want something new but I will keep my eyes on it.
Actually, all Wow players I know (15 or so) have quit Wow at least one time for another game, even the worst fanatic.
The problem was that games like WAR, AoC and AION couldn't keep them occupied for more than a month, and they slowly returned to Wow again.
People do like shiny new things but after the first month they still have to be good enough to keep the people playing them. And Wow is pretty good on having people play it for long.
But don't think that most of them will stay if a new shiny good game actually releases.
Ok I did that & I still do not see where or how your post was in any way shape or form relevant to what I said, were you making any kind of relevant comment to a GW2 vs SWTOR thread or are you just another WoW fanboi ramming it's success down my throat when I hadn't said anything bad at all about WoW in my post?
Colour me totally freakin lost as to understand wtf your point was.
You're implying that WoW is somehow a low quality. If you're not then I am sorry I miss read.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.