A little information all the "this is not an MMO" whiners should think about:
What is the meaning of MMO?
As far as I remember it's Massive Multiplayer Online.
Now take a closer look at StarCraft 2: You can play it with or against a massive amount of players, while you are using the multiplayer part and you have to be online to do so.
Looking at theese facts everyone has to agree that StarCraft 2 is an MMO.
I enjoyed the article and think it's cool mmorpg.com dose these from time to time, and I think the conspiracy crap is just plain silly, but Stradden dose lose a lot of credibility saying folks are acting like Douches..if any one of us (well at least those of us that aren’t part of mmofringe.com) would have said that we would have been looking at a warning or depending on the day a ban...it really looks hypocritical and make the site look very unprofessional. Heck I will more than likely get a warning or a suspension for just posting this but thems the breaks.
This sword here at my side dont act the way it should Keeps calling me its master, but I feel like its slave Hauling me faster and faster to an early, early grave And it howls! it howls like hell!
OP if you have not play this for decade why your so anxious to play it why you pretend its next best thing, i wonder.
Or you just follow hype promote it here and just hope it gets more gamers to this site?
SC2 sure will be good game for there genre for those who like RTS games but be HONEST most mmo players are not realy into RTS they like mainly RPG.
Many now suddenly intrested in SC2 is becouse of blizzard and HYPE like OP i think.
But have fun with game if you realy like it, im not slightest intrested in another blizzard game thats been hyped through roof.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Playing for ... 15 minutes and then concluding "...is that if you enjoyed the first one, you're going to love this one...".
And fill a complete page on mmorpg.com
... and getting paid...
Who else wants to have soma cake please ?
That's fifteen minutes more play time than most people have had. He also states in the article that he witnessed a good deal of play time as well.
This was the play time we were granted by Blizzard, so that's what was reported on. You don't have to be a douche about it.
You can't judge a game in 15min period plus fact that he have not played for decade shows he is not realy a fan at all and just follow hype and promote game here.
Not saying that i don't read article always nice have sometimes something different but i can understand that some games are promoted here becouse of million followers from blizzard/bioware, while there are much more intresting games released and far more closer to our genre and will never be discussed here becouse they are smaller companys and not very well known.
Thats what some see here and react like they do now, i dont blame them.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Now before calling me a douche as chief editor... tell me about which part of the article was actually worth the read?
Was it informative? Was it something worthwhile "knowing someone somewhere played for 15 minutes".
And that " if you enjoyed the first one, you're going to love the second one."
What did we learn except for the fact there was a title, a confession of someone playing for 15 minutes and ... that's about it.
I learned more from the reaction by the chief editor.
Not classy at all.
I didn't call you a douche, I said you were being a douche. And you were.
You do know that people coming here, seeing/clicking your ads is what pays your bills/salary right?
Do you also know that being a douche, yes, you are being one, is a good way to get people to quit coming here? Not because we are so thin skinned we can't take it, but because we are penalized for the same behavior you are exhibiting. This is unacceptable behacvior from the staff of a company to your customers, which is what we are.
If this were a brick and mortar store, how do you think calling a customer a douche would go over?
Thanks for the article. Many of us appreciate any information this site can provide regardless of a game being categorized as an MMO or not. Too bad some douches bitch so much just because your not publishing articles having to do ONLY with their narrow sense of adventure.
Our spirit was here long before you
Long before us
And long will it be after your pride brings you to your end
Thanks for the article. Many of us appreciate any information this site can provide regardless of a game being categorized as an MMO or not. Too bad some douches bitch so much just because your not publishing articles having to do ONLY with their narrow sense of adventure.
if you went to a cake store, and all they were selling was pie, what would you say?
I think they are putting themselves out front of possibly the biggest selling game release of the next 2 years and they want advert money.
I dunno I don't plan on buying it anytime soon. Money is tight and an RTS is not my idea of a game that I would play for hours upon hours. No I have to say this: Its NOT an MMO so why is it here!?!?!
Well, as you can see in this topic many people are fine with us covering a major non-MMO title every now and then. If you don't have interest in this content - then don't click and read it - it is not like we forced you to read it before moving on in the site or something.
Using that as an argument opens the door to all sorts of off-topic promo pieces. A large percentage of us own motor vehicles - why not run pieces on tires and auto insurance? Most of us buy groceries - another opportunity for coverage.
We are not just going to avoid doing something to dodge criticism by a handful of bitter people that are looking at the world through conspiracy glasses and a tinfoil hat on.
I have come to realize over the many years running this site that no matter what we do there are just some people so angry and miserable that you cannot please or convince them...they have their mind made up and that is that.
While that is true - it does not mean that all who criticize you are unreasonable or unjustified in their complaints.
What I don't understand is if you are so negative on us and our motives...why bother coming here? If I believed a site was "evil" and "corrupt" as you obviously feel we are - then I would not support them.
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So you are saying you are better then the average internet poster? I believe not, reviewing your posts show it. Also, what are you implying the average internet poster is, stupid? Next time if you are going to try and act older, type out you meant all sarcasm was intended, not /sarcasm. We know your being sarcastic, you don't need to pull an action / here. Were not in an mmo here...So why don't you /signout and leave if your better then us.
Thanks for the article. Many of us appreciate any information this site can provide regardless of a game being categorized as an MMO or not. Too bad some douches bitch so much just because your not publishing articles having to do ONLY with their narrow sense of adventure.
if you went to a cake store, and all they were selling was pie, what would you say?
Not a good analogy since most articles printed here are about cakes, and only a few are about pies. But, since I have better choices than what you give me here is what I would do...
I would go to a cake store that has the option to buy a couple of different pies.
Our spirit was here long before you
Long before us
And long will it be after your pride brings you to your end
Not a good analogy since most articles printed here are about cakes, and only a few are about pies. But, since I have better choices than what you give me here is what I would do...
I would go to a cake store that has the option to buy a couple of different pies.
There is limited shelf space, and every spot taken up by pie is one less cake available to be bought.
Not to mention there are dozens of pie shops in the area.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Guys, we're not listing the game, we're just doing an article on it. If you think a ton of MMO gamers aren't also looking toward Blizzard's RTS, you're wrong. We do our best to bring stories that are going to be of interest to our readers and we think that this is. We did the same thing with Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age.
If you're not interested in reading about non-MMOs, then don't click on it.
Not to be rude :-)
Seems to me that you only do it with american games, you don't give european dev teams the same attention.
Well i didnt read 75% of the post b/c all the ones i did read seemed to be forum crying....like normal.
He wanted to know what people thought of the game. Im in the Beta. Like the man stated, if you liked the first you will like this.
So far from the experience Ive had; its better graphics, new skins and some new mobs. They took an already massive hit and updated it. I really can say much more than that right now.
It would be nice to see this site give the same attention to european devs as they do US/Can
Yes there can be differences between the styles of games developed on different continents, obviously more prevalent in asian style video games, but I think you are looking for a bias that doesn't exist. The Witcher not having any coverage on this website has nothing to do with where the dev team lives, and how you can assume so is beyond me and probably everyone else.
PS I am in SC2 beta, and have played about 200 games. It is awesome, I am more addicted to playing this than I ever was with WC3 and SC1. However, if I had to say what the game needs before release, it would be several technical tweaks to BNet 2.0. It is a tad buggy, and the layout is sometimes inconvenient. The chat system/friends list needs the most attention; it is quite clunky and awkward.
The game is very much a sequal to Starcraft. If you want something that felt any different than the original game, you will be disappointed. It is faster, more intense, (can I say..) better in every way while still maintaining the foundations that made SC what it was. It is obvious Blizzard did not try to change the formula, which was the right move. There are many RTS out there that do different things, and I respect that they didn't try to go for the "please everyone" motto. If you didn't like SC1, you won't like this one for the same reasons.
The best part of the game is how significant STRATEGY is. Whle it requires some micro like WC3, it is only one component of what it takes to win your games. Every map, every matchup, has different strategies that work good and those that don't. You can't just build a bunch of units and 1a2a3a into your opponents base and hope that your units are bigger than his. You will lose against the first guy you come across with a tricky plan in mind.
It is a very very difficult game. But the beauty is that Bnet 2.0 will rank you to play among players of the same skill level, all the from professional to uber-noob. So in this respect, while the game is definitely designed to be an elitest experience, even the most beginner RTS players will get matched up against those like themselves where they can duke it out to Noob Heaven.
Cheers, and excuse me while I go play more Starcraft 2. Looking forward to hearing more opinions on the game from beta testers!
Guys, we're not listing the game, we're just doing an article on it. If you think a ton of MMO gamers aren't also looking toward Blizzard's RTS, you're wrong. We do our best to bring stories that are going to be of interest to our readers and we think that this is. We did the same thing with Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age.
If you're not interested in reading about non-MMOs, then don't click on it.
Not to be rude :-)
Seems to me that you only do it with american games, you don't give european dev teams the same attention.
It would be nice to see this site give the same attention to european devs as they do US/Can
I cannot speak for Jon & team entirely - but I really think this was just a "stumble upon" thing at the recent PAX show. Blizzard was there showing off SC2 and offered us a test drive. If Ferrari had been there offering Jon a ride a new 458 Scaglietti I am betting he would have said "hell ya!" and I would hope he would share his experience with a cool story on the site. Of course I would have to fire him out of pure jealousy
I assure you that we have no bias against EU developers or developers from any region. We try to cover the things that a) the community wants to hear about and b) developers give us the opportunity to cover.
I think The Witcher was a great game and am seriously looking forward to The Witcher 2!
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
So much "it's not an MMO" nerdrage. Don't like it? Don't read it.
As for the article itself, more familiarity with Starcraft 1 would've helped it. The races were already unique in SC1 (it's basically the poster child for balancing asymmetric races in an RTS,) and they remain so in SC2 -- but the author makes it sound like this is a new trait of SC2. Same with "high ground": existed in SC1, just as important in SC2.
Personally I turn these similarities around as my biggest complaint with SC2 so far:
In many ways SC2 is Brood Wars 2. It takes a great game, adds a few new units, patches in some excellent quality of life enhancements, but doesn't fundamentally alter gameplay or offer a completely new experience. SC1 was a fantastic game, and maybe this result is better than another Warcraft 3, but I was hoping for a new game experience whereas SC2 is predominantly the same game as the first one.
But hey, if everything old is new again and other gamers react to it like the article's author, then perhaps that's enough. The majority of gamers out there never even experienced the first game. The first game is defnitely a fantastic balancing of 3 asymmetric sides, of military vs. econ vs. defense purchases, and of micro- vs. macromanagement. It might be enough simply to carry forward that time-tested multiplayer game, add a few small changes, and put most of the energy into providing an amazing singleplayer campaign.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
This thread is so entertaining that I had to read through all (up to now) 13 pages of it.
Anyway, I also don't mind if there are articles that are not related to MMOs. I actually haven't read this one since I'm not interested at all in SC or any game from Blizzard for that matter. The sole reason I clicked the article was in deed that I expected the corresponding discussion to be so entertaining.
I appreciate that the staff from mmorpg.com actually take the time and respond to the criticism, although I don't feel that it [the criticism] is appropriate. Lamenting that someone didn't deserve to be paid for something really seems inappropriate, except maybe for the respective employer.
So much "it's not an MMO" nerdrage. Don't like it? Don't read it.
As for the article itself, more familiarity with Starcraft 1 would've helped it. The races were already unique in SC1 (it's basically the poster child for balancing asymmetric races in an RTS,) and they remain so in SC2 -- but the author makes it sound like this is a new trait of SC2. Same with "high ground": existed in SC1, just as important in SC2.
Personally I turn these similarities around as my biggest complaint with SC2 so far:
In many ways SC2 is Brood Wars 2. It takes a great game, adds a few new units, patches in some excellent quality of life enhancements, but doesn't fundamentally alter gameplay or offer a completely new experience. SC1 was a fantastic game, and maybe this result is better than another Warcraft 3, but I was hoping for a new game experience whereas SC2 is predominantly the same game as the first one.
But hey, if everything old is new again and other gamers react to it like the article's author, then perhaps that's enough. The majority of gamers out there never even experienced the first game. The first game is defnitely a fantastic balancing of 3 asymmetric sides, of military vs. econ vs. defense purchases, and of micro- vs. macromanagement. It might be enough simply to carry forward that time-tested multiplayer game, add a few small changes, and put most of the energy into providing an amazing singleplayer campaign.
I understand your statements but I would argue that this game is designed to progress the story and not necessarily introduce new game mechanics. New game mechanics are great, don't get me wrong, but where the story left me wanting in the original, I'm hoping this release will leave me satisfied. Just the way I'm looking at it of course. *shrug*
Want to see some plat league (high skill level) players go at with commentry? I've been watching these since beta started and learned loads of play styles ready for retail.
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A little information all the "this is not an MMO" whiners should think about:
What is the meaning of MMO?
As far as I remember it's Massive Multiplayer Online.
Now take a closer look at StarCraft 2: You can play it with or against a massive amount of players, while you are using the multiplayer part and you have to be online to do so.
Looking at theese facts everyone has to agree that StarCraft 2 is an MMO.
LMAO 2 million brown nose points for you.
Also a rare drop for you a spine.
bop?
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For the adventurous types amongst you... I remember hearing about a leaked version some time ago
LOL He called you a douche. Thats awesome.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I enjoyed the article and think it's cool mmorpg.com dose these from time to time, and I think the conspiracy crap is just plain silly, but Stradden dose lose a lot of credibility saying folks are acting like Douches..if any one of us (well at least those of us that aren’t part of mmofringe.com) would have said that we would have been looking at a warning or depending on the day a ban...it really looks hypocritical and make the site look very unprofessional. Heck I will more than likely get a warning or a suspension for just posting this but thems the breaks.
This sword here at my side dont act the way it should
Keeps calling me its master, but I feel like its slave
Hauling me faster and faster to an early, early grave
And it howls! it howls like hell!
OP if you have not play this for decade why your so anxious to play it why you pretend its next best thing, i wonder.
Or you just follow hype promote it here and just hope it gets more gamers to this site?
SC2 sure will be good game for there genre for those who like RTS games but be HONEST most mmo players are not realy into RTS they like mainly RPG.
Many now suddenly intrested in SC2 is becouse of blizzard and HYPE like OP i think.
But have fun with game if you realy like it, im not slightest intrested in another blizzard game thats been hyped through roof.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
You can't judge a game in 15min period plus fact that he have not played for decade shows he is not realy a fan at all and just follow hype and promote game here.
Not saying that i don't read article always nice have sometimes something different but i can understand that some games are promoted here becouse of million followers from blizzard/bioware, while there are much more intresting games released and far more closer to our genre and will never be discussed here becouse they are smaller companys and not very well known.
Thats what some see here and react like they do now, i dont blame them.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
You do know that people coming here, seeing/clicking your ads is what pays your bills/salary right?
Do you also know that being a douche, yes, you are being one, is a good way to get people to quit coming here? Not because we are so thin skinned we can't take it, but because we are penalized for the same behavior you are exhibiting. This is unacceptable behacvior from the staff of a company to your customers, which is what we are.
If this were a brick and mortar store, how do you think calling a customer a douche would go over?
Thanks for the article. Many of us appreciate any information this site can provide regardless of a game being categorized as an MMO or not. Too bad some douches bitch so much just because your not publishing articles having to do ONLY with their narrow sense of adventure.
Our spirit was here long before you
Long before us
And long will it be after your pride brings you to your end
if you went to a cake store, and all they were selling was pie, what would you say?
I dunno I don't plan on buying it anytime soon. Money is tight and an RTS is not my idea of a game that I would play for hours upon hours. No I have to say this: Its NOT an MMO so why is it here!?!?!
So you are saying you are better then the average internet poster? I believe not, reviewing your posts show it. Also, what are you implying the average internet poster is, stupid? Next time if you are going to try and act older, type out you meant all sarcasm was intended, not /sarcasm. We know your being sarcastic, you don't need to pull an action / here. Were not in an mmo here...So why don't you /signout and leave if your better then us.
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PEPSI!!!!!
Get out of your box already...
Not a good analogy since most articles printed here are about cakes, and only a few are about pies. But, since I have better choices than what you give me here is what I would do...
I would go to a cake store that has the option to buy a couple of different pies.
Our spirit was here long before you
Long before us
And long will it be after your pride brings you to your end
There is limited shelf space, and every spot taken up by pie is one less cake available to be bought.
Not to mention there are dozens of pie shops in the area.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Not to be rude :-)
Seems to me that you only do it with american games, you don't give european dev teams the same attention.
Let's take this for instance http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-debut-the-witcher/63501 http://www.thewitcher.com/forum/ the sequel to one of, if not the best RPG of the last 5 years,better than any game Bioware or Blizzard have released.
It would be nice to see this site give the same attention to european devs as they do US/Can
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Well i didnt read 75% of the post b/c all the ones i did read seemed to be forum crying....like normal.
He wanted to know what people thought of the game. Im in the Beta. Like the man stated, if you liked the first you will like this.
So far from the experience Ive had; its better graphics, new skins and some new mobs. They took an already massive hit and updated it. I really can say much more than that right now.
Geez, I can't believe people are whining about this. I enjoyed the article, thanks.
Yes there can be differences between the styles of games developed on different continents, obviously more prevalent in asian style video games, but I think you are looking for a bias that doesn't exist. The Witcher not having any coverage on this website has nothing to do with where the dev team lives, and how you can assume so is beyond me and probably everyone else.
PS I am in SC2 beta, and have played about 200 games. It is awesome, I am more addicted to playing this than I ever was with WC3 and SC1. However, if I had to say what the game needs before release, it would be several technical tweaks to BNet 2.0. It is a tad buggy, and the layout is sometimes inconvenient. The chat system/friends list needs the most attention; it is quite clunky and awkward.
The game is very much a sequal to Starcraft. If you want something that felt any different than the original game, you will be disappointed. It is faster, more intense, (can I say..) better in every way while still maintaining the foundations that made SC what it was. It is obvious Blizzard did not try to change the formula, which was the right move. There are many RTS out there that do different things, and I respect that they didn't try to go for the "please everyone" motto. If you didn't like SC1, you won't like this one for the same reasons.
The best part of the game is how significant STRATEGY is. Whle it requires some micro like WC3, it is only one component of what it takes to win your games. Every map, every matchup, has different strategies that work good and those that don't. You can't just build a bunch of units and 1a2a3a into your opponents base and hope that your units are bigger than his. You will lose against the first guy you come across with a tricky plan in mind.
It is a very very difficult game. But the beauty is that Bnet 2.0 will rank you to play among players of the same skill level, all the from professional to uber-noob. So in this respect, while the game is definitely designed to be an elitest experience, even the most beginner RTS players will get matched up against those like themselves where they can duke it out to Noob Heaven.
Cheers, and excuse me while I go play more Starcraft 2. Looking forward to hearing more opinions on the game from beta testers!
I cannot speak for Jon & team entirely - but I really think this was just a "stumble upon" thing at the recent PAX show. Blizzard was there showing off SC2 and offered us a test drive. If Ferrari had been there offering Jon a ride a new 458 Scaglietti I am betting he would have said "hell ya!" and I would hope he would share his experience with a cool story on the site. Of course I would have to fire him out of pure jealousy
I assure you that we have no bias against EU developers or developers from any region. We try to cover the things that a) the community wants to hear about and b) developers give us the opportunity to cover.
I think The Witcher was a great game and am seriously looking forward to The Witcher 2!
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
So much "it's not an MMO" nerdrage. Don't like it? Don't read it.
As for the article itself, more familiarity with Starcraft 1 would've helped it. The races were already unique in SC1 (it's basically the poster child for balancing asymmetric races in an RTS,) and they remain so in SC2 -- but the author makes it sound like this is a new trait of SC2. Same with "high ground": existed in SC1, just as important in SC2.
Personally I turn these similarities around as my biggest complaint with SC2 so far:
In many ways SC2 is Brood Wars 2. It takes a great game, adds a few new units, patches in some excellent quality of life enhancements, but doesn't fundamentally alter gameplay or offer a completely new experience. SC1 was a fantastic game, and maybe this result is better than another Warcraft 3, but I was hoping for a new game experience whereas SC2 is predominantly the same game as the first one.
But hey, if everything old is new again and other gamers react to it like the article's author, then perhaps that's enough. The majority of gamers out there never even experienced the first game. The first game is defnitely a fantastic balancing of 3 asymmetric sides, of military vs. econ vs. defense purchases, and of micro- vs. macromanagement. It might be enough simply to carry forward that time-tested multiplayer game, add a few small changes, and put most of the energy into providing an amazing singleplayer campaign.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
This thread is so entertaining that I had to read through all (up to now) 13 pages of it.
Anyway, I also don't mind if there are articles that are not related to MMOs. I actually haven't read this one since I'm not interested at all in SC or any game from Blizzard for that matter. The sole reason I clicked the article was in deed that I expected the corresponding discussion to be so entertaining.
I appreciate that the staff from mmorpg.com actually take the time and respond to the criticism, although I don't feel that it [the criticism] is appropriate. Lamenting that someone didn't deserve to be paid for something really seems inappropriate, except maybe for the respective employer.
I enjoyed the article for no other reason than it's nice to see someone else who is as excited about SCII as I am. This thread, however, is pure win!
I understand your statements but I would argue that this game is designed to progress the story and not necessarily introduce new game mechanics. New game mechanics are great, don't get me wrong, but where the story left me wanting in the original, I'm hoping this release will leave me satisfied. Just the way I'm looking at it of course. *shrug*
These videos are great if you want to see what gameplay is about....Looks like its close to the same as SC1 but with updated gfx