1) A new CoH/CoV player doesn't need to shell out any additional money, as just the core game that has been fully updated will give that player a huge amount of content in regards to powers and character customization. Unfortunately for the STO player, their character customization is lacking even compared to CO. Given that Cryptic seems to have shied away from free updates that add in more character customization options since their CoH/CoV days, The STO player is left holding the short end of the stick when comparing the two games.
2) The value would only decrease if you could get the same items/powers in the game; not similar ones mind you, but the same exact things. Once that happens, then the packages would devalue. Age has absolutely nothing to do with their value, as long as you can't get those items in the game.
3) You can speak of severity of greed once both CO and STO have both been out for one year. You can then compare a year's worth of store items versus what CoH/CoV has for offer and get a far better idea of which company is more greedy. Hint: Unless Cryptic radically changes the ratio of C-Store content versus free content in updates, his extrapolation is more than likely going to be on target. While things may not be as bad in CO as in STO, don't forget that Vibro Bay was originally planned to be a paid update.
Cryptic sells ZERO content in their C-Store, its "FREE" with the subscription. All it contains is fluff that has zero impact on the game and account services. All of which are cheaper than many of its competitors. There has also been more content added than C-Store fluff.
While VB was orginally going to be a micro-transaction its also quite a decent size, equating to a mini-expansion. Hence why it was going to be chargable, given releasing multple mini-expansions in the same time and (ultimate) cost as a larger one is no different. As quite a few don't seem to understand that, the discontent it caused made them remove the fee, and also lead them to make a statement that in the future for both STO and CO all content would be free, other than for major expansions.
I'm sorry, but I know for a fact that this is not true at all. There are emotes, costumes, races, bridges and ship variants all for sale in the C-Store.
There are no player (character) costume options for STO in the C-Store. Other than the laughable emote pack there are "costume" options for existing ships (i.e. they are not selling new ships, simply expanding upon exterior and interior apperance options for existing ones). That is in addition to race options, which are essentially just costume options and pre-set trait selections for the existing Alien option. All of which add zero value to ones game play, aside from looks.
Optional skins for already existing items is not content. Content is new missions, raids, PvP scenarios, etc. None of which are sold through the C-Store.
You have a weird definition of content. Content is anything in the game. The developers can't say that a new game website is content, but new ship variations and new races are content.
No its not. They are just skins, to existing items. There is no comparison between them and new missions, etc.
1) A new CoH/CoV player doesn't need to shell out any additional money, as just the core game that has been fully updated will give that player a huge amount of content in regards to powers and character customization. Unfortunately for the STO player, their character customization is lacking even compared to CO. Given that Cryptic seems to have shied away from free updates that add in more character customization options since their CoH/CoV days, The STO player is left holding the short end of the stick when comparing the two games.
Let's be honest, these cosmetic microtransactions are always optional, and STO has more cosmetic customization build into the game then a lot of other pay to play MMOs.
But the CoX booster packs go beyond cosmetics, they contain gameplay effecting powers! There is no comparison between cosmetic items as microtrans, and gameplay effecting abilities. Personally, I wouldn't play a game with gameplay effecting items in their cash shop.
2) The value would only decrease if you could get the same items/powers in the game; not similar ones mind you, but the same exact things. Once that happens, then the packages would devalue. Age has absolutely nothing to do with their value, as long as you can't get those items in the game.
My point is that CoX is already 6 years old, whereas STO just launched. If we assume that the average MMO lifetime is 10 years, then the STO items will last 10 years, and the CoX microtrans will last only 4. Yes, I'm sure you all believe that STO will fail in a year or two, but that is a seperate issue then the general principle that RMT items in a newer game are more likely to have a longer shelf life. I could see someone playing with their STO C store spaceship in 5 years, but folks are less likely to still be playing with their CoH costumes at that time. I mean, those graphics are ancient, so I would much rather pay less money for cosmetic items that are attached to a modern graphical engine, then to pay more money for these old looking character models.
3) You can speak of severity of greed once both CO and STO have both been out for one year. You can then compare a year's worth of store items versus what CoH/CoV has for offer and get a far better idea of which company is more greedy. Hint: Unless Cryptic radically changes the ratio of C-Store content versus free content in updates, his extrapolation is more than likely going to be on target.
Yeah, in one year the C store will probably cost more than the NCsoft store. We can revisit the issue at the time, NCsoft's games will be a full year older but still charging the same price, we will compare that to see if STOs newer technology is paying off at that time.
While things may not be as bad in CO as in STO, don't forget that Vibro Bay was originally planned to be a paid update.
That's not exactly what happened, and can't we admit that it's a moot point since it never happened? Here is an interview with the executive producer:
"MMORPGITALIA: What decided you on the free release of Revelation? Was it the community’s protest or facing the fact that the expansion’s content wasn’t enough for an update to pay for?
Shannon Posniewski: This was very contentious and we did not handle this as well as we could have. There was an ongoing internal discussion about whether we should charge for Revelation or not. This is why we didn't immediately announce if it would be for pay or not, which caused a lot confusion and rumor. The Champs team felt that it should be free, and the uproar in the community cemented that answer."
Looking at the list Xondar provided, I see NONE of that effect evidenced there. And CO pretty much proves it. Some 8 months out and they've fixed some fatal flaws and added one zone with 3 levels of content. And they were gonna CHARGE you for it.
Actually, you enter Vibora Bay at level 34 and it has content up through level 40, meaning it covers 7 levels. It is a very large expansion. Also, no price was ever announced other than free, so it is false to say they were going to charge for it. Even if it's not false, it is moot, and it shows a desire to bash the game at all costs, even exaggerating Vibora Bay as a small for pay expansion when it is a very large free expansion.
Looking at the list Xondar provided, I see NONE of that effect evidenced there. And CO pretty much proves it. Some 8 months out and they've fixed some fatal flaws and added one zone with 3 levels of content. And they were gonna CHARGE you for it.
Actually, you enter Vibora Bay at level 34 and it has content up through level 40, meaning it covers 7 levels. It is a very large expansion. Also, no price was ever announced other than free, so it is false to say they were going to charge for it. Even if it's not false, it is moot, and it shows a desire to bash the game at all costs, even exaggerating Vibora Bay as a small for pay expansion when it is a very large free expansion.
I stand corrected. 7 levels worth. Supposedly. What other content was there at that level?
Your bit about the price is disingenuous. They had planned to put it up in the C-store and announced it as such. They PLANNED to charge you for it, no matter what spin you care to buy into. If you believe that had there not been a massive uproar, that that "expansion" would've be free, I really can't do much to ferry you back into the real world.
1) A new CoH/CoV player doesn't need to shell out any additional money, as just the core game that has been fully updated will give that player a huge amount of content in regards to powers and character customization. Unfortunately for the STO player, their character customization is lacking even compared to CO. Given that Cryptic seems to have shied away from free updates that add in more character customization options since their CoH/CoV days, The STO player is left holding the short end of the stick when comparing the two games.
Let's be honest, these cosmetic microtransactions are always optional, and STO has more cosmetic customization build into the game then a lot of other pay to play MMOs.
But the CoX booster packs go beyond cosmetics, they contain gameplay effecting powers! There is no comparison between cosmetic items as microtrans, and gameplay effecting abilities. Personally, I wouldn't play a game with gameplay effecting items in their cash shop.
You of course are refering to Ninja Run, Mystic Fortune, and Self-Destruct? All those powers are cool, but they are hardly game changing (Ninja Run increases speed and jump height, but can't be enhanced and is put to shame by the main travel powers. It's essentially a run emote for ninja themed characters. Self-Destruct blows the character up killing them and doing damage to surrounding enemies, it's only useful for a quick death, used instead of waiting for enemies to kill you, so you can go to a base or hospital, Mystic Fortune casts a temporary random buff on another player, so if anything this benefits other players more than the casting character.) They are on par with the new races available for sale in the STO C-Store, which everyone always makes excuses for saying that they have minimal impact on the game.
2) The value would only decrease if you could get the same items/powers in the game; not similar ones mind you, but the same exact things. Once that happens, then the packages would devalue. Age has absolutely nothing to do with their value, as long as you can't get those items in the game.
My point is that CoX is already 6 years old, whereas STO just launched. If we assume that the average MMO lifetime is 10 years, then the STO items will last 10 years, and the CoX microtrans will last only 4. Yes, I'm sure you all believe that STO will fail in a year or two, but that is a seperate issue then the general principle that RMT items in a newer game are more likely to have a longer shelf life. I could see someone playing with their STO C store spaceship in 5 years, but folks are less likely to still be playing with their CoH costumes at that time. I mean, those graphics are ancient, so I would much rather pay less money for cosmetic items that are attached to a modern graphical engine, then to pay more money for these old looking character models.
3) You can speak of severity of greed once both CO and STO have both been out for one year. You can then compare a year's worth of store items versus what CoH/CoV has for offer and get a far better idea of which company is more greedy. Hint: Unless Cryptic radically changes the ratio of C-Store content versus free content in updates, his extrapolation is more than likely going to be on target.
Yeah, in one year the C store will probably cost more than the NCsoft store. We can revisit the issue at the time, NCsoft's games will be a full year older but still charging the same price, we will compare that to see if STOs newer technology is paying off at that time.
I don't see what age has to do with it. If anything MMOs improve with age, especially when they see graphical updates (which CoH will see in two days.) You keep arguing that because CoH is older, it is crappier, it should cost less, and it isn't worth it. Maybe if you're some sort of new games snob, then sure. But there are plenty of older games (MMOs included) that put newer games to shame.
While things may not be as bad in CO as in STO, don't forget that Vibro Bay was originally planned to be a paid update.
That's not exactly what happened, and can't we admit that it's a moot point since it never happened? Here is an interview with the executive producer:
"MMORPGITALIA: What decided you on the free release of Revelation? Was it the community’s protest or facing the fact that the expansion’s content wasn’t enough for an update to pay for?
Shannon Posniewski: This was very contentious and we did not handle this as well as we could have. There was an ongoing internal discussion about whether we should charge for Revelation or not. This is why we didn't immediately announce if it would be for pay or not, which caused a lot confusion and rumor. The Champs team felt that it should be free, and the uproar in the community cemented that answer."
Yeah, this answer is bullshit. Vibora Pay was announced to be a paid expansion, Bill Roper even said it was going to be a paid expansion. No amount of rewriting history (something Cryptic loves to do) will change these facts. Remember when I smacked you down with the Bill Roper quote? You tried to claim it was never supposed to be a paid expansion, that it was the statement of a rogue community rep who was fired. But it turned out you were trying to rewrite history.
1) A new CoH/CoV player doesn't need to shell out any additional money, as just the core game that has been fully updated will give that player a huge amount of content in regards to powers and character customization. Unfortunately for the STO player, their character customization is lacking even compared to CO. Given that Cryptic seems to have shied away from free updates that add in more character customization options since their CoH/CoV days, The STO player is left holding the short end of the stick when comparing the two games.
2) The value would only decrease if you could get the same items/powers in the game; not similar ones mind you, but the same exact things. Once that happens, then the packages would devalue. Age has absolutely nothing to do with their value, as long as you can't get those items in the game.
3) You can speak of severity of greed once both CO and STO have both been out for one year. You can then compare a year's worth of store items versus what CoH/CoV has for offer and get a far better idea of which company is more greedy. Hint: Unless Cryptic radically changes the ratio of C-Store content versus free content in updates, his extrapolation is more than likely going to be on target. While things may not be as bad in CO as in STO, don't forget that Vibro Bay was originally planned to be a paid update.
Cryptic sells ZERO content in their C-Store, its "FREE" with the subscription. All it contains is fluff that has zero impact on the game and account services. All of which are cheaper than many of its competitors. There has also been more content added than C-Store fluff.
While VB was orginally going to be a micro-transaction its also quite a decent size, equating to a mini-expansion. Hence why it was going to be chargable, given releasing multple mini-expansions in the same time and (ultimate) cost as a larger one is no different. As quite a few don't seem to understand that, the discontent it caused made them remove the fee, and also lead them to make a statement that in the future for both STO and CO all content would be free, other than for major expansions.
I'm sorry, but I know for a fact that this is not true at all. There are emotes, costumes, races, bridges and ship variants all for sale in the C-Store.
There are no player (character) costume options for STO in the C-Store. Other than the laughable emote pack there are "costume" options for existing ships (i.e. they are not selling new ships, simply expanding upon exterior and interior apperance options for existing ones). That is in addition to race options, which are essentially just costume options and pre-set trait selections for the existing Alien option. All of which add zero value to ones game play, aside from looks.
Optional skins for already existing items is not content. Content is new missions, raids, PvP scenarios, etc. None of which are sold through the C-Store.
You have a weird definition of content. Content is anything in the game. The developers can't say that a new game website is content, but new ship variations and new races are content.
No its not. They are just skins, to existing items. There is no comparison between them and new missions, etc.
Who's said anything about websites being content?
They are still content. They are in the game, they axist as part of the game, they are still content.
And in 4 years (if the game survives) a new STO player will be shelling out $400 to get all the C-Store extras. Both use microtransactions, just one is slower and more subdued about it and the other is more greedy.
CoH will be six years old soon, in six years a new STO player can expect to shell out $600 total for all the STO C-Store items at the current rate they are adding them to the game. With CoH a pack comes out twice a years, with STO a huge chunk of development time is being spent to constantly fill the C-Store with as many items as possible. Development time that players are already spening $15 a month for.
That is all just extrapolation. Based on the AION store NCsoft will also increase their greed over the same period. We can compare afterwards, and buy then I suspect NCsoft will escalate their microtransactions as well.
The first booster pack for City of Heroes was released in 2008, fully four years after the game launched! The first C-Store sale items went up for sale on day one in Star Trek Online.
Yes, this makes the micro-trans have a lower value since the game is already old, the sequel is registered.
This makes the micro-trans for STO a lower value as the game is half-finished, and new content (other than C-Store items) comes out at a snail's pace.
You agree that the CoX booster packs would have had more value if they were bought at launch, since the users would have got more use out of them? My point is that the CoX booster packs are just milking the last bits of cash out of an old game that is past its prime.
No, the free updates are the same issue. How can you claim any degree of greed when it is quite apperant that Paragon Studios develops a huge amount of free content for the game, and microtransactions are a relatively small piece of the pie. I17 will be massive, and it will be free to all players. I know my $15 a month is going toward developing the game I paid the monthly subscription for. If I were to subscribe to STO, I'd be essentially charged twice to play the game because of the huge amount of content that gets developed for the C-Store. This is especially bad when you consider that the game is only half finished and extremely light on content.
There is nothing objective here. You are just saying "STO sucks, so offering microtrans makes them greedy, but CoX is good so them offering microtrans is OK. " Both games have fans, and both games have microtransactions. It is wrong to call Cryptic greedy and praise NCsoft when from an objective point of view they do the same thing. I
I have no idea how you can claim this is worth it.
April:
8TH-14THSTF: Khitomer Accord
8TH-14THC-Store Items
C-Store: Klingon Bridge Pack "Bird of Prey"
C-Store: Fed Escort Variant "Hephaestus"
15TH-21STC-Store Items
C-Store: Fed Bridge Pack "Destiny"
C-Store: Fed Science Variant "Nimbus"
C-Store: Emote Pack 1
22ND-30TH STF: Undine Terradome
22ND-30THSeason 1.1 Update
Joined Trill – Klingon Faction
TOS/MirrorU – Female Outfit Updates
Difficulty Slider and Death Penalty
Commodity / Memory Alpha Update
Exchange Improvements
Space Auto-Fire
C-Store: Klingon Bridge Pack "Carrier"
C-Store: "Pakled" – Playable Fed Species
C-Store: Fed Cruiser Variant "Nomad"
May:
13TH-19TH C-Store Items
C-Store: "Caitian" – Playable Fed Species
C-Store: Fed Bridge Pack "Prometheus"
C-Store: Fed Escort Variant "Maelstrom"
20TH-28THSeason 1.2 Update
Accolade System
Squad System (Sidekicking)
Episode Replay
C-Store: Fed Science Variant "Comet"
C-Store: Emote Pack 2
Again, I could cut and paste the description of the CoX booster packs, they look like a terrible rip off to me, but what would that prove? Both games have fans, both games have microtrans. CoX has too many cut and paste door missions, and their core engine is too slow and old (the last core update that sped up the game was in issue 8). I only care about core updates to the gameplay, so CoX has been stagnant for years (that's why I quit). Therefore it is not objective to say that their updates justify their microtransactions, since NCsoft stopped updating things I care about years ago.
Looking at the list Xondar provided, I see NONE of that effect evidenced there. And CO pretty much proves it. Some 8 months out and they've fixed some fatal flaws and added one zone with 3 levels of content. And they were gonna CHARGE you for it.
Actually, you enter Vibora Bay at level 34 and it has content up through level 40, meaning it covers 7 levels. It is a very large expansion. Also, no price was ever announced other than free, so it is false to say they were going to charge for it. Even if it's not false, it is moot, and it shows a desire to bash the game at all costs, even exaggerating Vibora Bay as a small for pay expansion when it is a very large free expansion.
I stand corrected. 7 levels worth. Supposedly. What other content was there at that level?
Your bit about the price is disingenuous. They had planned to put it up in the C-store and announced it as such. They PLANNED to charge you for it, no matter what spin you care to buy into. If you believe that had there not been a massive uproar, that that "expansion" would've be free, I really can't do much to ferry you back into the real world.
Quite a bit of content actually. The levels with so called gaps were in the early 20s and 30s. Both filled prior to VB. Actually CO's received a lot of polish amongst other things since launch.
Now the scale of VB has actually been seen, its an expansion that many a company would charge for.
And in 4 years (if the game survives) a new STO player will be shelling out $400 to get all the C-Store extras. Both use microtransactions, just one is slower and more subdued about it and the other is more greedy.
CoH will be six years old soon, in six years a new STO player can expect to shell out $600 total for all the STO C-Store items at the current rate they are adding them to the game. With CoH a pack comes out twice a years, with STO a huge chunk of development time is being spent to constantly fill the C-Store with as many items as possible. Development time that players are already spening $15 a month for.
That is all just extrapolation. Based on the AION store NCsoft will also increase their greed over the same period. We can compare afterwards, and buy then I suspect NCsoft will escalate their microtransactions as well.
The first booster pack for City of Heroes was released in 2008, fully four years after the game launched! The first C-Store sale items went up for sale on day one in Star Trek Online.
Yes, this makes the micro-trans have a lower value since the game is already old, the sequel is registered.
This makes the micro-trans for STO a lower value as the game is half-finished, and new content (other than C-Store items) comes out at a snail's pace.
You agree that the CoX booster packs would have had more value if they were bought at launch, since the users would have got more use out of them? My point is that the CoX booster packs are just milking the last bits of cash out of an old game that is past its prime.
No, the free updates are the same issue. How can you claim any degree of greed when it is quite apperant that Paragon Studios develops a huge amount of free content for the game, and microtransactions are a relatively small piece of the pie. I17 will be massive, and it will be free to all players. I know my $15 a month is going toward developing the game I paid the monthly subscription for. If I were to subscribe to STO, I'd be essentially charged twice to play the game because of the huge amount of content that gets developed for the C-Store. This is especially bad when you consider that the game is only half finished and extremely light on content.
There is nothing objective here. You are just saying "STO sucks, so offering microtrans makes them greedy, but CoX is good so them offering microtrans is OK. " Both games have fans, and both games have microtransactions. It is wrong to call Cryptic greedy and praise NCsoft when from an objective point of view they do the same thing. I
I have no idea how you can claim this is worth it.
April:
8TH-14THSTF: Khitomer Accord
8TH-14THC-Store Items
C-Store: Klingon Bridge Pack "Bird of Prey"
C-Store: Fed Escort Variant "Hephaestus"
15TH-21STC-Store Items
C-Store: Fed Bridge Pack "Destiny"
C-Store: Fed Science Variant "Nimbus"
C-Store: Emote Pack 1
22ND-30TH STF: Undine Terradome
22ND-30THSeason 1.1 Update
Joined Trill – Klingon Faction
TOS/MirrorU – Female Outfit Updates
Difficulty Slider and Death Penalty
Commodity / Memory Alpha Update
Exchange Improvements
Space Auto-Fire
C-Store: Klingon Bridge Pack "Carrier"
C-Store: "Pakled" – Playable Fed Species
C-Store: Fed Cruiser Variant "Nomad"
May:
13TH-19TH C-Store Items
C-Store: "Caitian" – Playable Fed Species
C-Store: Fed Bridge Pack "Prometheus"
C-Store: Fed Escort Variant "Maelstrom"
20TH-28THSeason 1.2 Update
Accolade System
Squad System (Sidekicking)
Episode Replay
C-Store: Fed Science Variant "Comet"
C-Store: Emote Pack 2
Again, I could cut and paste the description of the CoX booster packs, they look like a terrible rip off to me, but what would that prove? Both games have fans, both games have microtrans. CoX has too many cut and paste door missions, and their core engine is too slow and old (the last core update that sped up the game was in issue 8). I only care about core updates to the gameplay, so CoX has been stagnant for years (that's why I quit). Therefore it is not objective to say that their updates justify their microtransactions, since NCsoft stopped updating things I care about years ago.
If the Booster packs seem like a rip-off then you don't have to buy them. The game has enough free content, and is always coming out with more free content, to satisfy anyone without needing the Booster packs. Someone who doesn't have them will probably never miss them.
STO launched with about half the content an MMO needs to keep people occupied past the first 30 days, and they have been spending their time, from day one, developing content to sell to people through the C-Store. How is this not different from what NCSoft does with City of Heroes? The future content list is littlered with C-Store items as well.
"Things you care about?" Really? Wow... The core of CoH doesn't need any more updates because it is fine as it is. You can make weird claims about how "fast" a game is (I think these claims are all BS by the way, I scratch my head whenever you make them,) but why try to fix something that isn't broken? Of all the features in I17, a lot of them are things that people who play the game and pay the monthly fee have been asking for. There is even a major graphical upgrade. Claiming the game has been "stagnant" is pure bunk as it is an entirely different game since I8, and it will be hugely different in two days.
What you are trying to do is trivialize CoH so that you can claim it is worse than it really is so you can claim that NCSoft is more greedy than Cryptic with microtransactions. That's quite a twisted bit of tortured logic there.
Edit: By nthe way, I hope you notice that I'm talking purely about STO. I couldn't care less about CO, and I know the futility about talking about CO around you cause all you'll do is try to rewrite history, or stick your fingers in your ears and yell "nanana, I'm not listening."
I don't see what age has to do with it. If anything MMOs improve with age, especially when they see graphical updates (which CoH will see in two days.) You keep arguing that because CoH is older, it is crappier, it should cost less, and it isn't worth it. Maybe if you're some sort of new games snob, then sure. But there are plenty of older games (MMOs included) that put newer games to shame.
Well, more specifically I find CoX to be sluggish at the core, and of course the graphics are no good at this point. I wish ultra mode would improve the graphics, but from the screenshots it looks like a few overhyped reflections and shadows. I am not a new game snob, I love CO because it is the first MMO I played that is neither clunky nor hideous.
Yeah, this answer is bullshit. Vibora Pay was announced to be a paid expansion, Bill Roper even said it was going to be a paid expansion. No amount of rewriting history (something Cryptic loves to do) will change these facts. Remember when I smacked you down with the Bill Roper quote? You tried to claim it was never supposed to be a paid expansion, that it was the statement of a rogue community rep who was fired. But it turned out you were trying to rewrite history.
Wow, take it easy on the personal smack-talk. I am aware of all the quotes in all the CO interviews, and I believe that the CO bashers take every effort to exaggerate the case for their moot point that Revelations might have been a paid xpac, in some alternate history timeline that never occured. Revelations was never announced to have any price other than free. It's interesting that you trust Bill Roper, but call Shannon Posniewski's statement bullshit: Poz has 10 times the integrity of Roper.
So I truly am not rewriting history. I was one of the first people to see Daeke's post that VB was going to be paid. I was there in the trenches everyday, it was an epic two weeks. I truly believe that Daeke's post was a rogue statement, in the sense that it was not authorized and therefore was not official information. Also, I trust Poz's explanation over Roper's. Shannon was a core part of the CoX team, and he is very straight talking to us players since he took over Bill's job.
The first c-store item wasn't available until weeks after launch. That list is also conviently posted as incomplete. They are adding content and not charging for it.
They started engineer reports in March, showing their activity.
I don't see what age has to do with it. If anything MMOs improve with age, especially when they see graphical updates (which CoH will see in two days.) You keep arguing that because CoH is older, it is crappier, it should cost less, and it isn't worth it. Maybe if you're some sort of new games snob, then sure. But there are plenty of older games (MMOs included) that put newer games to shame.
Well, more specifically I find CoX to be sluggish at the core, and of course the graphics are no good at this point. I wish ultra mode would improve the graphics, but from the screenshots it looks like a few overhyped reflections and shadows. I am not a new game snob, I love CO because it is the first MMO I played that is neither clunky nor hideous.
Yeah, this answer is bullshit. Vibora Pay was announced to be a paid expansion, Bill Roper even said it was going to be a paid expansion. No amount of rewriting history (something Cryptic loves to do) will change these facts. Remember when I smacked you down with the Bill Roper quote? You tried to claim it was never supposed to be a paid expansion, that it was the statement of a rogue community rep who was fired. But it turned out you were trying to rewrite history.
Wow, take it easy on the personal smack-talk. I am aware of all the quotes in all the CO interviews, and I believe that the CO bashers take every effort to exaggerate the case for their moot point that Revelations might have been a paid xpac, in some alternate history timeline that never occured. Revelations was never announced to have any price other than free. It's interesting that you trust Bill Roper, but call Shannon Posniewski's statement bullshit: Poz has 10 times the integrity of Roper.
So I truly am not rewriting history. I was one of the first people to see Daeke's post that VB was going to be paid. I was there in the trenches everyday, it was an epic two weeks. I truly believe that Daeke's post was a rogue statement, in the sense that it was not authorized and therefore was not official information. Also, I trust Poz's explanation over Roper's. Shannon was a core part of the CoX team, and he is very straight talking to us players since he took over Bill's job.
I guess it's time for me to remind you of the beat-down you took last time you tried to rewrite history:
"And so, while we may have originally built Revelation to be a paid expansion pack, we reconsidered our decision based on recent community discussion."
If the Booster packs seem like a rip-off then you don't have to buy them. The game has enough free content, and is always coming out with more free content, to satisfy anyone without needing the Booster packs. Someone who doesn't have them will probably never miss them.
STO launched with about half the content an MMO needs to keep people occupied past the first 30 days [this is not an objective description, some people will be occupied by the existing STO content for a lifetime, just as I am with CO's existing content; I have only barely scratched VB because I still have so much to do in CO], and they have been spending their time, from day one, developing content to sell to people through the C-Store. How is this not different from what NCSoft does with City of Heroes? [Your right, CoX has been developing Microtransaction content since 2008, so they have been at it much longer than STO], The future content list is littlered with C-Store items as well.
One of the things I like about the C store is that it is more straightforward then the RMTs that various other pay to play MMOs offer. Remember when AION popped up with valentine's packs, it was a "limited offer" out of the blue. The same thing will happen with the next CoX microtrans, they will just pop up out of the blue.
"Things you care about?" Really? Wow... The core of CoH doesn't need any more updates because it is fine as it is. You can make weird claims about how "fast" a game is (I think these claims are all BS by the way, I scratch my head whenever you make them,)
That's interesting. My level 50 was a kinetic defender, and for me and my friends it was all about the speed. All about reducing those cooldowns, reducing those activation times. About 8 months after launch I settled into Accelerated Metabolism + Hasten all the time, and my friends and I thought it was incredible how my character could fluidly cast his moves in real-time as I pressed the buttons. Fluidly going from one move to the next was the holy grail for me in that game, I was essentially an in-game stimulant addict, the only way to have fun gameplay is with speed boost plus speed everything stacked to the extreme.
In the first 8 issues, they made big improvements to this core speed issue, but then they stopped working on the game engine and just started adding extras. Extras don't cut it for me, I mostly care about the core game.
but why try to fix something that isn't broken? Of all the features in I17, a lot of them are things that people who play the game and pay the monthly fee have been asking for. There is even a major graphical upgrade. Claiming the game has been "stagnant" is pure bunk as it is an entirely different game since I8, and it will be hugely different in two days.
I am glad that the community is getting what they are asking for, but you can see that from my perspective of speeding up the responsiveness of the game engine, that the game has not changed in a while.
What you are trying to do is trivialize CoH so that you can claim it is worse than it really is so you can claim that NCSoft is more greedy than Cryptic with microtransactions. That's quite a twisted bit of tortured logic there.
I believe everything I am saying. I believe that CoH is past its prime, and that sinking microtrans into an old game is a bad idea in general. I quit CoX because their updates stopped being interesting, I never cared about cut and paste missions, I only cared about the core game engine getting better.
Same thing in CO, by the way. I don't care about VB because it is just missions.
Edit: By nthe way, I hope you notice that I'm talking purely about STO. I couldn't care less about CO, and I know the futility about talking about CO around you cause all you'll do is try to rewrite history, or stick your fingers in your ears and yell "nanana, I'm not listening."
CO is relevant because you are talking about Cryptic and the C store. Besides, literally no one really defends STO, so at least I can kind of provide some counterpoint by launching from the common ground that CO and STO share. Maybe I should just let STO get bashed, I'll think about it.
"And so, while we may have originally built Revelation to be a paid expansion pack, we reconsidered our decision based on recent community discussion."
It's Bill Roper, of course he undermines the point your trying to make by using a weasel word. If you really think this quote is a slam dunk, then we should review the definition of the word "may."
1. You use may to indicate that something will possibly happen or be true in the future, but you cannot be certain.
2. You use may to indicate that there is a possibility that something is true, but you cannot be certain.
3. You use may to indicate that something is sometimes true or is true in some circumstances.
5. You use may have with a past participle when suggesting that it is possible that something happened or was true, or when giving a possible explanation for something.
So BR has not admitted to anything as you claim, he used a standard lawyer trick "my client may have...". BR has so much ego that he can't just admit the wrong doing. But if you read Shannon's quote, he tells us that the Champions team always felt VB should be free. No weasel words.
It may seem like I am semantically evading you, but if your point were valid then you could produce an official announcement that VB would be paid: that announcement never occured, so it can't be produced.
"And so, while we may have originally built Revelation to be a paid expansion pack, we reconsidered our decision based on recent community discussion."
It's Bill Roper, of course he undermines the point your trying to make by using a weasel word. If you really think this quote is a slam dunk, then we should review the definition of the word "may."
1. You use may to indicate that something will possibly happen or be true in the future, but you cannot be certain.
2. You use may to indicate that there is a possibility that something is true, but you cannot be certain.
3. You use may to indicate that something is sometimes true or is true in some circumstances.
5. You use may have with a past participle when suggesting that it is possible that something happened or was true, or when giving a possible explanation for something.
So BR has not admitted to anything as you claim, he used a standard lawyer trick "my client may have...". BR has so much ego that he can't just admit the wrong doing. But if you read Shannon's quote, he tells us that the Champions team always felt VB should be free. No weasel words.
It may seem like I am semantically evading you, but if your point were valid then you could produce an official announcement that VB would be paid: that announcement never occured, so it can't be produced.
LOL
They did say it was going to be a paid addition. You really are starting to look foolish.
The first c-store item wasn't available until weeks after launch. That list is also conviently posted as incomplete. They are adding content and not charging for it.
They started engineer reports in March, showing their activity.
The first C-Store items were available on launch day; the Federation Klingon and Ferengi races. Additional C-Store items have been released more frequently than the free content. Let's not forget that on May 2 the game will have been out for a quarter of a year, and its players still haven't seen the endgame yet.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
They did say it was going to be a paid addition. You really are starting to look foolish.
What, you were expecting reason from the Cryptic diehards? Not only did they say it, but the employee who originally let it slip no longer has a job with them. At least Cryptic has gotten better at lying; in the past when they were caught making claims counter to what they had said, they didn't even bother to edit the original posts people would link to. Now they do, which is an improvement for them I guess.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
They did say it was going to be a paid addition. You really are starting to look foolish.
I am aware of everything they said about the matter. Daeke, the former community rep, said it would be a paid expansion in a forum post. This does not constitute an official announcement, and for all you know Daeke made a very big mistake that cost him his job i.e. he announced something before the final decision had been made. I argue that Daeke was no longer accurately representing Cryptics intentions at that point, he was a rogue employee and he got fired soon after.
As far as I'm concerned, Daeke was doing a terrible job and he had trouble showing up to work in general. He made a mistake, and it was just one more in a long chain of bad performance on his part, so they terminated him. Cryptic haters are really scraping the barrel with this one, their argument is completely moot and entirely based on speculation.
Edit: You all are very persistent at bashing Cryptic. I can accept your hate-filled rhetoric, but I can't accept the distortion of facts around Vibora Bay. I can't singlehandedly stand up to an angry mob that distorts facts to suit its spews. Dishonest opponents are not worth my engangement. I'm sure you could make your lies and distortions even more extreme to suit your pet purposes, no one will bother to oppose you or even read what you say on this wretched forum. Hopefully I will not post here again for a long time.
They did say it was going to be a paid addition. You really are starting to look foolish.
I am aware of everything they said about the matter. Daeke, the former community rep, said it would be a paid expansion in a forum post. This does not constitute an official announcement, and for all you know Daeke made a very big mistake that cost him his job i.e. he announced something before the final decision had been made. I argue that Daeke was no longer accurately representing Cryptics intentions at that point, he was a rogue employee and he got fired soon after.
As far as I'm concerned, Daeke was doing a terrible job and he had trouble showing up to work in general. He made a mistake, and it was just one more in a long chain of bad performance on his part, so they terminated him. Cryptic haters are really scraping the barrel with this one, their argument is completely moot and entirely based on speculation.
Edit: You all are very persistent at bashing Cryptic. I can accept your hate-filled rhetoric, but I can't accept the distortion of facts around Vibora Bay. I can't singlehandedly stand up to an angry mob that distorts facts to suit its spews. Dishonest opponents are not worth my engangement. I'm sure you could make your lies and distortions even more extreme to suit your pet purposes, no one will bother to oppose you or even read what you say on this wretched forum. Hopefully I will not post here again for a long time.
You honestly dont think any one is taking you serious do you?
Cyptic does a good job of making themselves look foolish all on their own, they dont need any ones help on this forum in that department.
You claim offense at all this "rhetoric" then you go about with wild accusations about CO former community admin. THat makes you a hypocrite.
I admire you trying to go down with the ship, but its a well documented fact that they where going to charge for Vibora Bay and changed their minds after the back lash. Now you really need to google the topic, because Im not going to link the 8 hits that come up on this very subject. The fact of the matter is the more you continue to deny and spin this when the FACTS are slapping you in the face is the only truley sad thing going on in this thread.
Your operating procedure in this thread so far has been:
Deny everything, admit nothing, and make counter accusations to discredit others when needed. Im sure you can find a job in Washington DC if you are interested.
You honestly dont think any one is taking you serious do you?
Actually yes, I think he does. He seems to be working off of the old addage that if you tell a lie often enough, people will believe you. I find it amusing that he continues to defend Cryptic in the STO foums of this website, instead of the CO forums here, and he admittedly has never played the game.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
You honestly dont think any one is taking you serious do you?
Actually yes, I think he does. He seems to be working off of the old addage that if you tell a lie often enough, people will believe you. I find it amusing that he continues to defend Cryptic in the STO foums of this website, instead of the CO forums here, and he admittedly has never played the game.
Maybe he is a shill or an employee moonlighting on these boards.
I say this because I found the comment about the fired community admin showing up to work a little odd for someone to make. Sure sounds to me like its someone from Cryptic posting here, doesnt it? How can average joe CO player know this guy had issues showing up to work?
Maybe he is a shill or an employee moonlighting on these boards.
I say this because I found the comment about the fired community admin showing up to work a little odd for someone to make. Sure sounds to me like its someone from Cryptic posting here, doesnt it? How can average joe CO player know this guy had issues showing up to work?
Makes you go hmmmmmm........
Indeed it does, and if it true then that speaks more towards Cryptic's character than even the attitudes they take on their own forums.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
The first c-store item wasn't available until weeks after launch. That list is also conviently posted as incomplete. They are adding content and not charging for it.
They started engineer reports in March, showing their activity.
The first C-Store items were available on launch day; the Federation Klingon and Ferengi races. Additional C-Store items have been released more frequently than the free content. Let's not forget that on May 2 the game will have been out for a quarter of a year, and its players still haven't seen the endgame yet.
Yeah, I'd forgot about the two races. It was weeks until anything else was added.
Although I'm really not sure what you are talking about the end game, as its been in place for some time: -
1) Daily PvP missions for purple rewards
2) Daily PvE missions for purple rewards
3) Special Task Force (aka raids). Currently three, with another on the test server. With one being released around every three weeks.
4) Fleet Actions, which have now been changed to scale with rank.
Maybe he is a shill or an employee moonlighting on these boards.
I say this because I found the comment about the fired community admin showing up to work a little odd for someone to make. Sure sounds to me like its someone from Cryptic posting here, doesnt it? How can average joe CO player know this guy had issues showing up to work?
Makes you go hmmmmmm........
Indeed it does, and if it true then that speaks more towards Cryptic's character than even the attitudes they take on their own forums.
He usually has negative comments towards STO while pumping CO at the same time. A Cryptic employee probably wouldn't hurt one of the hands feeding them. Or he could be upset they pulled everyone to work on STO while neglecting CO. Or he could be just like that Trekkie geek guy on SNL when Shatner was on :P
They did say it was going to be a paid addition. You really are starting to look foolish.
I am aware of everything they said about the matter. Daeke, the former community rep, said it would be a paid expansion in a forum post. This does not constitute an official announcement, and for all you know Daeke made a very big mistake that cost him his job i.e. he announced something before the final decision had been made. I argue that Daeke was no longer accurately representing Cryptics intentions at that point, he was a rogue employee and he got fired soon after.
As far as I'm concerned, Daeke was doing a terrible job and he had trouble showing up to work in general. He made a mistake, and it was just one more in a long chain of bad performance on his part, so they terminated him. Cryptic haters are really scraping the barrel with this one, their argument is completely moot and entirely based on speculation.
Edit: You all are very persistent at bashing Cryptic. I can accept your hate-filled rhetoric, but I can't accept the distortion of facts around Vibora Bay. I can't singlehandedly stand up to an angry mob that distorts facts to suit its spews. Dishonest opponents are not worth my engangement. I'm sure you could make your lies and distortions even more extreme to suit your pet purposes, no one will bother to oppose you or even read what you say on this wretched forum. Hopefully I will not post here again for a long time.
You honestly dont think any one is taking you serious do you?
Cyptic does a good job of making themselves look foolish all on their own, they dont need any ones help on this forum in that department.
You claim offense at all this "rhetoric" then you go about with wild accusations about CO former community admin. THat makes you a hypocrite.
I admire you trying to go down with the ship, but its a well documented fact that they where going to charge for Vibora Bay and changed their minds after the back lash. Now you really need to google the topic, because Im not going to link the 8 hits that come up on this very subject. The fact of the matter is the more you continue to deny and spin this when the FACTS are slapping you in the face is the only truley sad thing going on in this thread.
Your operating procedure in this thread so far has been:
Deny everything, admit nothing, and make counter accusations to discredit others when needed. Im sure you can find a job in Washington DC if you are interested.
Peace.
It was going to be chargable for sure, until the backlash. It was commented upon later in one of their state of the game posts, about how they acknowledged it was a mistake and that all future content patches (other than for major expansions) would be free. The STO team followed suit, by stating likewise they'd not be charging.
Daeke simply made an unoffical announcement, which incidently was done very poorly causing the backlack in the first place. Hence most likely why he went.
Revelation is actually a decent size expansion, which many a company would have charged for.
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No its not. They are just skins, to existing items. There is no comparison between them and new missions, etc.
Who's said anything about websites being content?
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
I stand corrected. 7 levels worth. Supposedly. What other content was there at that level?
Your bit about the price is disingenuous. They had planned to put it up in the C-store and announced it as such. They PLANNED to charge you for it, no matter what spin you care to buy into. If you believe that had there not been a massive uproar, that that "expansion" would've be free, I really can't do much to ferry you back into the real world.
They are still content. They are in the game, they axist as part of the game, they are still content.
Again, I could cut and paste the description of the CoX booster packs, they look like a terrible rip off to me, but what would that prove? Both games have fans, both games have microtrans. CoX has too many cut and paste door missions, and their core engine is too slow and old (the last core update that sped up the game was in issue 8). I only care about core updates to the gameplay, so CoX has been stagnant for years (that's why I quit). Therefore it is not objective to say that their updates justify their microtransactions, since NCsoft stopped updating things I care about years ago.
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
Quite a bit of content actually. The levels with so called gaps were in the early 20s and 30s. Both filled prior to VB. Actually CO's received a lot of polish amongst other things since launch.
Now the scale of VB has actually been seen, its an expansion that many a company would charge for.
If the Booster packs seem like a rip-off then you don't have to buy them. The game has enough free content, and is always coming out with more free content, to satisfy anyone without needing the Booster packs. Someone who doesn't have them will probably never miss them.
STO launched with about half the content an MMO needs to keep people occupied past the first 30 days, and they have been spending their time, from day one, developing content to sell to people through the C-Store. How is this not different from what NCSoft does with City of Heroes? The future content list is littlered with C-Store items as well.
"Things you care about?" Really? Wow... The core of CoH doesn't need any more updates because it is fine as it is. You can make weird claims about how "fast" a game is (I think these claims are all BS by the way, I scratch my head whenever you make them,) but why try to fix something that isn't broken? Of all the features in I17, a lot of them are things that people who play the game and pay the monthly fee have been asking for. There is even a major graphical upgrade. Claiming the game has been "stagnant" is pure bunk as it is an entirely different game since I8, and it will be hugely different in two days.
What you are trying to do is trivialize CoH so that you can claim it is worse than it really is so you can claim that NCSoft is more greedy than Cryptic with microtransactions. That's quite a twisted bit of tortured logic there.
Edit: By nthe way, I hope you notice that I'm talking purely about STO. I couldn't care less about CO, and I know the futility about talking about CO around you cause all you'll do is try to rewrite history, or stick your fingers in your ears and yell "nanana, I'm not listening."
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
The first c-store item wasn't available until weeks after launch. That list is also conviently posted as incomplete. They are adding content and not charging for it.
They started engineer reports in March, showing their activity.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/forumdisplay.php?f=158
Prior to that they had released the Borg sector and its ajoining so called exploration sector, along with three new episodes and daily missions.
There are also release notes for the items under testing on the PTS.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/forumdisplay.php?f=167
I guess it's time for me to remind you of the beat-down you took last time you tried to rewrite history:
http://www.mmorpg.ch/discussion2.cfm/post/3420063#3420063
"And so, while we may have originally built Revelation to be a paid expansion pack, we reconsidered our decision based on recent community discussion."
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
It's Bill Roper, of course he undermines the point your trying to make by using a weasel word. If you really think this quote is a slam dunk, then we should review the definition of the word "may."
1. You use may to indicate that something will possibly happen or be true in the future, but you cannot be certain.
2. You use may to indicate that there is a possibility that something is true, but you cannot be certain.
3. You use may to indicate that something is sometimes true or is true in some circumstances.
5. You use may have with a past participle when suggesting that it is possible that something happened or was true, or when giving a possible explanation for something.
So BR has not admitted to anything as you claim, he used a standard lawyer trick "my client may have...". BR has so much ego that he can't just admit the wrong doing. But if you read Shannon's quote, he tells us that the Champions team always felt VB should be free. No weasel words.
It may seem like I am semantically evading you, but if your point were valid then you could produce an official announcement that VB would be paid: that announcement never occured, so it can't be produced.
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
LOL
They did say it was going to be a paid addition. You really are starting to look foolish.
The first C-Store items were available on launch day; the Federation Klingon and Ferengi races. Additional C-Store items have been released more frequently than the free content. Let's not forget that on May 2 the game will have been out for a quarter of a year, and its players still haven't seen the endgame yet.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
What, you were expecting reason from the Cryptic diehards? Not only did they say it, but the employee who originally let it slip no longer has a job with them. At least Cryptic has gotten better at lying; in the past when they were caught making claims counter to what they had said, they didn't even bother to edit the original posts people would link to. Now they do, which is an improvement for them I guess.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I am aware of everything they said about the matter. Daeke, the former community rep, said it would be a paid expansion in a forum post. This does not constitute an official announcement, and for all you know Daeke made a very big mistake that cost him his job i.e. he announced something before the final decision had been made. I argue that Daeke was no longer accurately representing Cryptics intentions at that point, he was a rogue employee and he got fired soon after.
As far as I'm concerned, Daeke was doing a terrible job and he had trouble showing up to work in general. He made a mistake, and it was just one more in a long chain of bad performance on his part, so they terminated him. Cryptic haters are really scraping the barrel with this one, their argument is completely moot and entirely based on speculation.
Edit: You all are very persistent at bashing Cryptic. I can accept your hate-filled rhetoric, but I can't accept the distortion of facts around Vibora Bay. I can't singlehandedly stand up to an angry mob that distorts facts to suit its spews. Dishonest opponents are not worth my engangement. I'm sure you could make your lies and distortions even more extreme to suit your pet purposes, no one will bother to oppose you or even read what you say on this wretched forum. Hopefully I will not post here again for a long time.
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
You honestly dont think any one is taking you serious do you?
Cyptic does a good job of making themselves look foolish all on their own, they dont need any ones help on this forum in that department.
You claim offense at all this "rhetoric" then you go about with wild accusations about CO former community admin. THat makes you a hypocrite.
I admire you trying to go down with the ship, but its a well documented fact that they where going to charge for Vibora Bay and changed their minds after the back lash. Now you really need to google the topic, because Im not going to link the 8 hits that come up on this very subject. The fact of the matter is the more you continue to deny and spin this when the FACTS are slapping you in the face is the only truley sad thing going on in this thread.
Your operating procedure in this thread so far has been:
Deny everything, admit nothing, and make counter accusations to discredit others when needed. Im sure you can find a job in Washington DC if you are interested.
Peace.
Actually yes, I think he does. He seems to be working off of the old addage that if you tell a lie often enough, people will believe you. I find it amusing that he continues to defend Cryptic in the STO foums of this website, instead of the CO forums here, and he admittedly has never played the game.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Maybe he is a shill or an employee moonlighting on these boards.
I say this because I found the comment about the fired community admin showing up to work a little odd for someone to make. Sure sounds to me like its someone from Cryptic posting here, doesnt it? How can average joe CO player know this guy had issues showing up to work?
Makes you go hmmmmmm........
Indeed it does, and if it true then that speaks more towards Cryptic's character than even the attitudes they take on their own forums.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Yeah, I'd forgot about the two races. It was weeks until anything else was added.
Although I'm really not sure what you are talking about the end game, as its been in place for some time: -
1) Daily PvP missions for purple rewards
2) Daily PvE missions for purple rewards
3) Special Task Force (aka raids). Currently three, with another on the test server. With one being released around every three weeks.
4) Fleet Actions, which have now been changed to scale with rank.
He usually has negative comments towards STO while pumping CO at the same time. A Cryptic employee probably wouldn't hurt one of the hands feeding them. Or he could be upset they pulled everyone to work on STO while neglecting CO. Or he could be just like that Trekkie geek guy on SNL when Shatner was on :P
It was going to be chargable for sure, until the backlash. It was commented upon later in one of their state of the game posts, about how they acknowledged it was a mistake and that all future content patches (other than for major expansions) would be free. The STO team followed suit, by stating likewise they'd not be charging.
Daeke simply made an unoffical announcement, which incidently was done very poorly causing the backlack in the first place. Hence most likely why he went.
Revelation is actually a decent size expansion, which many a company would have charged for.