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Why charge for something so small? Simple: money
Yeah they aren't throwing free stuff like CCP does, and for that, I say "booooo Blizzard". But, as long as those pay thingies do not give someone a distinctive advantage over me, then I say "Meh, I dont care". Why? Because I refuse to pay extra for something so trivial. I never paid anything beyond the subcription.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
well, not necessarily an idiot. I can see where this tool has its uses - if you do a lot of AH trading and do not have access to PC with internet. But, as someone pointed out, you don't seem to be able to use mods with this tool, so for me, personally, this tool becomes completely pointless.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Another non-issue that is pointlessly turned into an issue. Seriously there isd no advantage at all. As someone else has all ready stated - it's like saying a player with a laptop has an advantage over a player with a desktop. A person with a desktop can access WoW where ever there is WiFi...a person with say this mobile AH Iphone ap can do the same - what is the big deal here?
There are always going to be 'advantages' because of real life money. I have a full time job, others can play 24/7. Some have laptops so can play anywhere, others are forced to shard a desktop with family members.
I think people who hate Blizzard are trying to confuse two different things. Yes, players with real money will always have an advantage over poor players. Laptops and 'time' are two of the biggest reasons.
There is nothing that the new service allows you to do that a person with a laptop can't do, end of story.
Blizzard sells eye-candy for reall money and that is it. Games like AOC and UO sell ingame items that give EXP gains and stats for real $$ and nobody mentions it.
And I find that a very recommendable attitude. And you'er right, it IS about money.
But then, Activision Blizzard is making bucketloads of money, the sheer amount of cash that's pouring in for them from subs alone is staggering. They don't provide a F2P MMO or a suffering MMO where the incoming money has to be generated via other means as extra services like this one. They can afford to be generous, and could have made this convenient tool inclusive to the allround WoW experience people are already paying a sub for. Yet they didn't.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
That will come with new expansion...
@ cyphers:
I canceled my WoW account already because i burned out a bit and need a break from WoW. I'm sure I wil come back in a month or two. But, when asked for a reason why I wanted to cancel my account I stated that because of the latest trend of charging money for all this fluff. While personally I do not think that this trend would lead to things that people fear the most (selling items/levels for cash, etc etc), I thought "why not be on a safe side" and provided that reason. You know, in the off chance I was wrong and they are actually preparing us for "Full ICC armor with weapons, now only $19.95!!! Level 80 char included for a one time extra payment of $9.99"... just in case...
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I know! I don't understand it either. They have load of OUR money. What are they using them for? Maybe they use our money as furnace fuel? NO clue :S
In any case, all those people who fought against remote AH on this thread are arguing for the wrong reasons. They argue for the reason of "Remote AH gives in-game advantage for cash", with that I do not agree. They should of argue with this: "Blizz has earned so much money, why are they still charging us for these little things???", and I would join that chorus with support. Why are they so greedy??? I mean, yeah they are a business and all, but, enough is enough, right?
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
1. The arguments used against the I-pod/I-phone AH tool don't make sense. A tiny part of the game can now be played on another platform. That's all. If you buy a portable you would have the same "advantages".
2. Anyone rich enough to afford an I-phone should be charged $ 30 extra...
Its embarrassing when an NPC compliments you in an MMo, the only relevant, cool and epic things come from players whispering you Grtz, mate, we did it. copyright Pilnkplonk
Well, it's all guesswork why they'd do things or not, but the latest actions coming from Activision Blizzard very much fit the idea that this is strategy.
- a lot of money can be made with WoW that isn't being made yet with added payable stuff, if only because of the sheer size of WoW's playerbase
- the business guys at Activision Blizzard are aware that WoW players are willing to pay more, above their sub fee, if it is for things they like.
- they want people to feel comfortable with paying extra for 'wanna have' items or services.
- they also know that they can't just radically implement a cash shop system as you see in F2P MMO's, bc the rage and bad rep it would cause with WoW playerbase, since many consider this a faux pas: it's considered a "don't go there" thing with a lot of gamers.
So, I don't think Activision Blizzard will be offering 'raid quality level' gear to be buyable as follow up steps, because this would upset a lot of players and cause loss of faith and subs with many players => this would hurt them too hard in their subs revenue.
But on the other hand, it's too good an opportunity to do completely nothing, especially from a business perspective, such a large playerbase and group of potential customers. So they will start looking for ways to create more profit, testing the waters with each introduction, meanwhile step by little step working on removing the initial inhibitions that many gamers have towards having to pay for stuff on top of their sub.
Until, ideally, the majority of WoW players has grown used to it and found it acceptable that there are a lot of added convenient services and items for which they have to pay extra, where other P2P MMO's and game companies maybe are providing sortlike things for free.
Of course, since many MMO companies are keeping a sharp eye on WoW and what Activision Blizzard does, they will try to copy this for their own games. the thought being: Blizzard is successful with it, and apparently players don't mind that much when push comes to shove.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I don't think they'll ever do that, but they could actually end up charging more and more frequently for things like new mounts, new tools, new updates and so forth.
Things that they would have added free of cost in the past.
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You guys are too funny, watching you debate over something so trivial just makes me giggle. Even when the argument turns in laptops are clearly an advantage you don't realize how silly you sound. Do you guys read what you type, or do you mash your face into the keyboard in hopes of trolling or getting your epeen bigger?
Lets see how much further we can bring this argument then, in hopes of revealing the complete silliness.
Expansions are clearly an in game advantage I mean you can get to level 80 while i'm only level 60, thats a clear advantage that I have to pay money for.
Buying vanity pets can you get the pet achievement faster, clearly thats an advantage because achivement score increases my epeen stat.
People that have both a desktop and a laptop clearly cheat the system.
People that use addons clearly have an advantage over those that don't
Also lets go further in silliness. People that pay a sub fee have a clear in gave advantage over those that are trial accounts! How dare they give advantages to people that have the game!
This thread is just rehashing the same talking points that have been said. They are milking us. What sort of finacial crisis is your wallet in where 3 dollars is milking you for an application that essentially does less then auctioneer. [Percentages higher rate of making money by being able to see what the market is like.] The app can only buy/sell it doesn't tell you what would be good to undercut by, or who is seeling a good cheaper so that you can buy and resell it.
So people with the auctioneer addon on a laptop clearly are cheating because I mean both mobility AND being able to better understand the market. I mean blizzard should fix that, they've been doing it for years!
Also as a final point, saying that this will lead to cash shops is really grasping at straws. Lets all play jump to conclusions guys! Not everything that sells for money provides an advantage. As a final note on jumping to conclusions, I turn it over to lewis black's video from the daily show. Enjoy!
TL:DR
I lost interest when I realized the maturity level and the feeble attempt to troll.
But of course you're entitled to your opinion, that's what these forums are for, venting opinions
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Nevermind. Just keep you CC current and you will be fine.
Blizzards response to people crying doom and all that jazz...
First off, no correlation can be made here between the idea of releasing a Remote Auction House feature and that of releasing epic equipment for sale. The ground is still quite firm on that slope.
Second, a player who has more time in a week to play the game than you has an advantage over you by this same standard. Someone that has an hour or more a day to use the Auction House than you do has an advantage, and they're not even charged extra for it. The Remote Auction House provides no in-game functionality that isn't already available to every single player as often as they can or want to use it. The only difference now is that, for an additional monthly fee, players can use the Auction House in a remote fashion without having to log into the game client
It's a legitimate concern. I'd share it if I weren't confident about our commitment to our players and our ultimate goal of creating epic games with incredible support and bonus features. Some players fear this happening so much though, that they almost wait for it to happen. With nearly any announcement we make about additional features or flavor items which have a cost associated, this is then seen as a sign of the slippery slope, no matter how large the leap to an adequate assertion may be.
Our core philosophy has not changed and we feel we're being very reasonable about the products and premium services we're offering. They allow us to maintain a strong company, afford and maintain state-of-the-art tools and hardware, keep some of the most talented staff in the gaming industry around, and continue making great games.
(source)http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25002289996/is-remote-ah-an-ingame-advantage/
"It is my opinion, that my opinions are always right"
Wow. I'd gather that getting 1 billion+ revenue from your subs per year would already be enough to maintain a strong company and to continue making great games. 1 billion dollar is not enough for that, not even to generously include added services for free? I guess I could be wrong. Seems to me though that they're looking for ways to make more money with WoW from its playerbase.
I'm just going to quote myself:
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
There is 1 reason, to make money and it seems like blizzard is loving money these days!
Not saying they will ever sell bots tough, i very much doubt that will ever happend. But im sure if they did it would sell shitloads.
Currently Playing Path of Exile
Double you tee eff, you all saw this thread before me. You all had an advantage over me. That's unfair. I want this fixed.
But really, I don't think this is something to bleed your normal person dry of money. Different mounts sure, but not this. This at no point gives you some huge advantage.
Blizzard isn't stupid. They are going to play the line of making extra money off things that give NO ingame bonus compared to things you can get in game. Just looks.
I wouldn't be surprised to see other things that allow looks to change. A sort of dye system, a system like LotrO that allows an outfit to show over armor in NON PVP areas.
Hello. Won't get you. Don't care. See you around.
Didn't know this topic was going to reach 12+ pages, so apparently this struck some sensitive nerves.
A question: for all those who threw a fit in this thread and feeling the end of the w(ow)orld is nigh ... how many of you actually still play this game? Coz if you don't, wtf do you care wat blizz does?
If you believe the general concensus on this site allmost none still play wow.
So either you all lying about still playing, or you're just throlling, or you feel so betrayed by the game you need to pull a Floyd Landis each time an opportunity rises.
So please enlighten me.
I.
Hey! It was a slow day, and this thread kept popping up again and again on the mainpage, who could resist? And I'm not a pre-teen !!11!1!!
Heh, jk. I actually kinda like this site, just like massively.com, all kinds of info and newsbits gathered in one place about a wide range of MMO's. I have never really considered whether this site has more fanbois/flamers than other sites. Maybe it is more people around not liking the game you play than the sites and forums that are dedicated to one MMO. I don't know.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
This site is known more to be anti-wow (from it's visitors, not by the editors) around the internet. It's easier to come here and bitch about just about anything Blizzard does with thier game because the same people would get absouletly buried if they went to a wow fansite.
It's not like this topic isn't controversial, it is. The blue post is correct, anytime Blizzard puts anything for sale outside of the $15 sub fee, it's going to bring out the haters in droves. I fully expect them to continue to toe the line with that kind of stuff. Any business that sees potential revenue (no matter how ridiculous it is) is going to try and capitilize on that. I've never ever heard of any business that realized there was potential to make a few million bucks and say, oh no, lets not do that, we make enough money. It's not like they are a non-profit.
So, to put a bow on the whole debate. Yes, the remote AH via website/mobile phone is a convienence. No, it does not provide an in-game advantage. Yes, charging a subscription fee for a 'convienence' is absurd. Paying for said subscriiption fee is more absurd.
As a side note, my realm is actually one of the beta servers being used for this and I tried it out yesterday. It's actually pretty neat but it's also nowhere as robust as what you get in game, mainly because the whole thing is being rendered via webpage, so everything you do is basically a page refresh, which is much slower. Also (this may get fixed), you don't have nearly the amount of sorting options as you do with the ingame AH interface.
It is more about the precedent it sets. History has proven that when there is success with something it will be repeated. Considering the huge success that WoW is and then further showing that gamers can be milked for more sub fees will only enable other developers to do the same. I think WoW is a great game for what it is, but I also don't want to see every developer from here out trying to milk me for every dollar they can either.
But on that same token the reason Blizzard is successfull with these little side items is due to the amount of subs that it has. Even if only 10% of the playerbase buys something like this, that's still over a million purchases. Where any other game will not get a fraction of that revenue due to the smaller sub base it's being presented to. It becomes a simple numbers game then.
You need to look at the big picture here. This is an ingame advantage: Basically AH prices are daytime based so:
- morning: mostly people that are playing a lot (tons of gold) -> chance selling your auctions for higher prices
- midday - afternoon: kiddies and more average people are playing -> prices are dropping
- afternoon - night: somewhat balanced prices between morning and midday
exclusions: Wednesday cause "raid day" for many many players.
So some of the so called AH pros will have a big disadvantage if they aren't going premium. You can sell up to 200 auctions a day with this application, which is an incredible ingame advantage. I perfectly knew I'd sell so much more playing from the collegue, work. Though I'd hesitate to do it cause that somewhat addicted.
Keep in mind this is just the beginning if they don't sell enough premium abos they'll add from here. I'm glad this kind of thing won't work in other games. As someone noticed its a simple numbers game.
comparing it with Everquest 2:
1.000k subs if only 3 % are using this crap: 30.000 x 3 x 12 = + 1.080.000 $ / year given the huge amount of brainwashed fanboys and average kiddies you can bet there'll be more premium users. Kotick is knowing this and that's the reason why Activision keeps adding bullshit like that in a p2p game.
eq2:
200k x 3 x 12 = 6.000 = + 216.000 $ / year not enough to make up for all the people rage quitting because of p2p + RMT crap.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Cost per month: 3 dollars minus a penny.
Possible gold gain from 300 transactions per month? Easily a thousand with proper use.
Therefore, 3 dollars+ bot program or half a brain=1 thousand or more gold.
This is what is angering people.