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"Bot program+web based app=unstoppable economy controlling force" - Unlikely. Last i heard bots are not restricted by "job", so they can camp AH 24/7 via normal means.
"Not to mention you can't play WOW while at work unless you want to be fired." -ok, back to the laptop clause... how does me having more time on my hands to play WoW qualify as an advantage? I mean, anyone can just quit their jobs and have as much of that "advantage" as they want. Don't be ridiculous. With all you "primodial saronite" you sure don't know the mechanics of AH and basic logic "eludes" you somehow.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
We are not discussing "desires", we are discussing technical issues. Techincally, you do not "need" this app, becuase you can do everything the app allowes u to do without paying anything. Whether you "desire" it or not - that is irrelevant.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
As Jimmyman said, you're confusing desires with needs. From a general game advancement standpoint, no you don't need any of the things I listed. Achievements are not advancement, I don't care what anyone tells you. Getting a fancy title doesn't mean your character can run heroic ICC.
My point stands, you don't need the remote auction house.
I tried out the remote AH on the armory website yesterday (beta finally came to the EU).
..I have to say, it's absolutely terrible for someone with a lot of stuff to post/relist (basically anyone who plays the auction house at all).
It's not a real advantage whatsoever to people who make serious gold on the AH. I'd rather log on with some terrible laptop that can barely run the game and use auction addons.
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People buy pets and mounts. So pets and mounts gives advantages. So much for your logic.
Sounds fine to me. The Agency is supposed to have underlings that send you text messages and crap about things in-game while you are away, and I hardly call that an advantage.
Besides, who cares that people can mess with the AH from their phones? You'd have to be hard pressed to find anything wrong with that.
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LOl .. so much hate for a SERVICE.
Blizz has no obligation to give it to you for free. And it is only $3.
I dunno abt you, i think it is great to be able to use AH from the web and $3 is dirt cheap.
If you don't like to pay, don't use the ability.
If you hate it so much, quit WOW.
3 USD per month/ Lets assume a customer uses it til the death of WOW...probably in 3 years. 36 months at 3 dollars each-108 dollars per customer.
Not too shabby, considering that is about what someone would pay for the entire pet shop, which, I may add, gives an advantage for anyone looking to finish their pet achievements. Just because its not stat related, gold related (which the AH is), or frickin god mode, does not mean it is not an advantage. People won't pay for things unless it is something, does something, or allows them to do something that other people cannot obtain, have, or do without paying what they paid.
Please dont apologise for corporate greed. This is not a "SERVICE" its a value added product, I defend wow as a game but I will not defend blizzard as a company this is pure greed and the more of this value added shizzle you people pay for the more they will try to charge you for.
Its not where it starts that should worry you, its the precident it sets and where it ends. Just look at it this way, if you pay for this and buy all the petstore/mount store items, then you will have spent as much as you would spend on several months of subs for another mmo to support a diverse market with competition and innovation.
Wow is a great game, but that does not mean you have to try and justify every money grabbing scheme they come up with, they are allready raking in over £100million per month in subs alone or 1.2 billion pounds per year however you want to look at it. For a one off fee of maybe £4 this might have been tempting but a monthly access fee, no thanks.
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Maybe just me, but I don't understand what you are trying to say (no flame, honost question).
"does not mean it is not an advantage."
What 'advantage' are you talking about here. It is not gold, it is not uber power, it is not uber stats, ... so what 'advantage' do you mean?
People won't pay for things unless it is something, does something,... "
Absolutely right, but what is the connection to the above advantage sentence? How is "something" defined?
If we are talking a nice beaytifull fluff item, "something" would be defined as a kind of vanity stroker (look at me ... I'm beautifull), but it has no in-game advantage, at least not the 3 you described above. So maybe it is your missing 'advantage'?
Also I can't decide from this post if your pro or con the remote ah.
The Ah = gold related ==> remote ah is gold related ==> advantage (your reasoning and true)
But since AH = Remote ah Service and everyone can use that service, there is no advantage, since evryone has access to this so called advantage!
Hope I make sense.
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Basically I see it as paying to use the AH when you'd otherwise be unable to.
As one person above me said..you're paying for "value added" content. Sort of like a set of premade maps in COD or HALO. Sure, you could make them yourself (buy a laptop, etc in the case of this AH) but it is really much easier just to pay the cash shop for what is equivalent to nearly nothing at all. Not to mention that the maps also connect with other people who have said maps.
Pet shop works in a very similar manner. other than the wyvern and griffon pets that come with a plush...you are paying for the ability to have a pet in the game, one that would have otherwise been added in anyways.
The thing you are paying for is the ingame pet which noone else can obtain UNLESS they pay the same money to the same company...money equal to an entire month of actually playing the game.
So, in other words, I see this as Blizzard charging extra just to use the Auction House while you have no access to a system with WOW installed. Sure, it's nice. Sure, it's something you could do anyways if you threw down a couple hundred on a cheap laptop. But instead of actually having to make something PHYSICAL, you are paying for the ABILITY to do stuff other people cannot.
There are games that do not even have a stat system beyond the character itself that sell similar "value added" content. You know what that "extra" content does? Makes you look cooler. That is fine for a FREE TO PLAY MMO that does not charge you a monthly fee already. However, a SUBSCRIPTION-BASED MMO ALREADY CHARGES YOU for the equivalent of buying 2-3 cash shop items in a FTP per month.
Taking out content originally planned to be implemented just to turn around and sell said content to the players at an extremely inflated rate is just greedy. It is not something the Blizzard who made Warcraft, Diablo 1/2, and Starcraft would do. It is entirely an ACTIVISION modus operendi.
Blizzard is just capitalizing on MMO addicts. All the money they are geting from the shop probably will be used to fund their next glorious MMO project. I hope Blizzard announce their new MMO once Cataclysm is released. And if they do it before, I won't complain.
I get the feeling that this money actually pays for things other than the funding for their next MMO. Things like Bobby Kotick's car collection, and Activision's upcoming games, seeing as both companies "share" assets now. This means that if one company tanks, the other falls too, as they are, for all intents and purposes in a legal and business sense, the SAME company. Activision-Blizzard.
I could be wrong, but I also am aware of activision's multi-million dollar lawsuits that, if they lost, could spell the end of the company through the bad press alone. That's one thing Blizzard did well before Bobby took charge...avoided bad press.
So basically you are saying that Blizz creates/developes extra functionality/service for a platform that didn't exist when wow was conceived and isn't allowed to ask money for that functionality/service.
So from now on when new technical innovations/applications occur on the market blizzard IS allowed to develop fcuntionality for it but IS NOT allowed to ask money for it.
(Goes a bit against the whole principle of kapitalism no, even only if you look at the development costs.)
Wouldn't this mean that this way innovation is stopped (at least by existing companies) since existing companies are not allowed to create new functionality when technical opportunities occur?
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The problem here is you are treating the MMO genre like "any other business." It is not. However much this company would love you to believe that, it is not. Would you pay an extra 5 dollars a month to have access to a "value added" raid? Maybe 10 to access its "heroic" mode? I sure hope not.
These little "nickel and dime" things are merely Activision testing the waters to see if their business model works in a MMO setting. If it does, the next "Blizzard" MMO will have a cash shop from day 1 with a subscription fee. The ONLY way to prevent that from happening is to spread awareness of just how greedy it is to charge paying customers extra for content that was pretty much paid for by the subscription fees 100x over in the first place. I am sure people would accept a 1 cent increase in their monthly fee if it meant everyone had equal access to content that was instead used as a cash grab.
So since external means of playing are allowed and you can gain an advantage by aquiring that app,
is it morally ok to bot now? i mean cmon its just another feature the common player wont have just like this app
Pi*1337/100 = 42
And this is where you are incorrect, the MMORPG genre is in fact, like any other business. It exists for one purpose, to maximize the profit for the investors/shareholders.
As long as people are willing to pay for the game, they've achieved their goal. Blizzard's practices are smart business, regardless what the player base thinks about the practice.
Get used to it folks, MMO's are going the cable TV model, where you pay a monthly fee for basic service and pay extra for premium services.
They will charge the maximum that the market will bear. Welcome to free market capitalism.
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"The problem here is you are treating the MMO genre like "any other business." It is not.
I think you are mistaken, like someone explained somewhere above this post.
The second part of your statement I completely agree with but you are comparing apples and oranges when it comes to the reason of this dicussion, the remote ah ... and last I looked the remote ah is NOT content, it is an existing service extended to a new platform.
Again, I agree with you on the nickel and diming, and I don't like how we are indeed slowly going to a p2P hybrid with cstore, but the rah is not nickel and diming, it is getting a return on investment, the investment being the development cost of the app and God forbid, getting some profit on it.
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I don't think your equasion holds.
The ah service allready exists, in other words it "is allowed".
Bots aren't allowed (period).
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I still don't see what extra 'value' you're getting with the remote AH that you didn't have already. Yea, it's more expensive to actually own a laptop and access WoW that why but that doesn't mean that accessibility never existed to begin with. Why is it immedietely dismissed that the auction house is 24/7 no matter what device you use to access it? How can you get value over something if that something already exists in some way/shape/form? I'll even agree and say a person buying a vanity pet will see more value in that then the remote AH because in that instance you are getting something that doesn't exist elsewhere. If i'm at work right now, I'm not getting anything more right now with the remote AH then I would have gotten if I had a laptop with me. The point about having something now where you didn't have it before is irrelevant and also false. You always had access to the auction house, whether you realistically could log in outside of home or not.
This doesn't even go beyond the argument that what you are getting is not even on the same level as what you could have by not buying it. If you access the remote AH and I access the in game ah, guess who has the bigger advantage?
Sure, it is an advantage, one that i am happy to pay for.
This is pure jealousy talk. If Blizz makes something that people want to pay for .. more power to them. It is a free world. You do NOT have to pay for it. The entitlement thinking astound me. Do you prefer blizz NOT to have this service? They don't have to make the software, you know.
Most people obviously do not feel that the scheme is so evil that they will stop playing. This money grabbing logic assumes people don't have minds. They do. If the price is too high, people will stop paying.
Plus, you can't stop it anyway. It is here. The only thing you can do is to vote with your wallet. Are you going to do that?
What are you talking about?
forget what blizzard says, it doesn't matter here since we talk about morals and not what gives more $$ to blizz
According to your logic: lvling already exists so it is allowed.
Let me explain it further: this application just like botting enables you to participate in wow in a way a normal player can't, in both cases a normal player can negate the advantage by playing more
Pi*1337/100 = 42
Checkmate.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.