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Videogamer.com hands on review of SWTOR 20/5/2010
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"So here's my problem with BioWare's ambitious Star Wars MMORPG: it sounds genuinely revolutionary in theory, but in practice, the practice I've experienced at least, there's nothing revolutionary about it..."
http://www.videogamer.com/pc/star_wars_the_old_republic/preview-2368.html
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I enjoyed the part where he said SWTOR looks like a saturday morning cartoon while his profile reads he is a WoW fanboy. Other then that I liked the article, I'll certianlly form my own opinion when I get my hands on the game, I also plan to atleast save judgement after a few days of game play, not one mission. Nice find though.
As always, we'll have to wait and see, but I am starting to have a sinking feeling. More explicitly, a feeling that this is really just yet another MMO with the same gameplay we are so used to, i.e. questing.
The same feeling struck me when I first saw gameplay footage.
I just might be done with the typical MMO questing gameplay. The news of GW2 having something quite different - the dynamic events system - has grabbed, and I mean really GRABBED, my interest.
Just to quote
"Nearly a year after the game's reveal BioWare is yet to explain just how plot decisions will be made when you've got a group of players all pulling in different directions. Who will decide which dialogue option to choose in a key cutscene?"
I thought they explained that ages ago?
this is just going to be another themepark railroad quest game. go collect ten bear asses, over and over and over. except the guy will be voiced over so instead of reading go collect ten bear asses you can hear a british guy say go collect ten bear asses.
im going to laugh when the moral decisions in npc text doesnt mean jack shit regardless of what you pick.
and i love star wars and bioware. its pretty obvious though that with the lack of information actually released and the time to launch quickly flying by that things are being left out of reviews, hands on, and demonstrations for a reason.
but ill wait to see it myself, cause im so fuckin in love with the star wars universe and biowares games that i will buy it. then kick myself in the face when it turns out to suck like every other game in the universe
Please record and upload onto the interwebz.
On a more serious note, I more or less agree, I will likely buy it and it will likely not impress.
I really dislike that reviewer.
He's an example of a pathetic WoW obsessed player his negativity soaks the entire article and with comments like "Talking never did any good in a pick up group" he deserves to stay playing WoW.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
He's expecting to get into a group in an exclusive press only hands-on for a pre-beta game.... just lol...
This "show us MMO elements" crap has to stop, what warrants those questions in the first place? You don't see them asked for games like GW2, FFXIV and other upcoming mmo's which haven't revealed any group play either.
For the rest, the article sucks, I can live with negative opinions but at least tell me something about the freaking experience you had.
I can summarize this article and the one from Eurogamer in one sentence: "We played an alien bounty hunter who had several skills then went on a mission to kill a guy; now lets go over the questions they didn't answer, which we are pissed about."
If someone wants a more informative article: Belgian gaming site 9lives.be went to the hands-on event as well and wrote a somewhat more detailed article on their experience, the original is in Dutch but I translated it for the fans at the official site.
You can find it here.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Please get your facts right. Both games have showed some group play, more or less.
Show me.
Edit: TOR did by the way: 10 minutes of it.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
It has been talked about in several interviews extensively when it comes to XIV.
GW2 devs also talked about how you can join in a progressive quests for groups of people and group up that way.
I said: show me, don't tell me, that is what those reviewers are asking for.
TOR said they have raiding / pvp / open world / ... just the same, yet people don't believe it; while those questions aren't asked (or certainly not at the same rate) for those other games I mentioned.
Some consistency in opinions and questions is what I expect from professionals.
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Those games don't make it sound like you're playing a single player game online though. That's why it's not a big concern, unlike with TOR. More needs to be revealed to make sure it's not just a single player game. Right now it has been a bit one sided.
How does it sound like a single player online? I don't get it, seriously I don't.
A compelling narrative and dialogue sequences = single player? That's just ridiculous, dialogue takes at most a minute or two before you're back to the fighting, heck a f2p game like Aika Online has dialogue sequences (they're meaningless though)
If anything, this shows how completely alien and new those terms are for the mmo industry.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Its the way Bioware has been talking about the game; How TOR is all story driven, how its incredibly solo friendly, etc.
These are the points people see when they ask to know more about the grouping part of the game.
Basically the way Bioware describes TOR is that its like one giant single player game that might have some form of grouping mechanic. I mean we MMO players know its not a single player game, but a lot of people will see these promos and interviews and come to the conclusion that it is.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I'm not going to give any real thought to this "review".
I'm going to wait until the game is at least in open beta before I start making judgements, and then nothing firm until release.
Ok, but that's not all they said, they have in fact talked about how grouping goes together with these things.
Also "we MMO players know its not a single player game", yes well I seriously doubt that, most of these feelings come from exactly MMO players who seem to be unable to wrap their minds around a story driven MMO. Look around on these forums alone.
People who aren't involved with MMO's could care less if it belongs to one genre or the other.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Exactly the fears i have for SWTOR.
Let me quote the article
" But The Old Republic's potential is mind-boggling. If BioWare can realise it without sacrificing all that is good about the MMO, it may have one of the greatest online-enabled games of all time on its hands. But so far that's all The Old Republic is: potential. With E3 2010 fast-approaching, it's time for the game to show us what it's really got."
Its just mind blowing that GW2 team is so daring trying to break every concept MMO genre has ever set. And being modest about it.
While Bioware is making same ol' - same ol' , and calling it the most revolutionary genre changing MMO game
Seems to me ont hese forums anything Bioware releases about TOR willb e taken and extrapolated from in the worst possible light
On the flip side anything rleeased from Arenanet,squaresoft or Ragnar Tournquist will be met with adulation and taken and atrapolated in the best possible light with sunshine and rainbows everywhere!
I am with others here I'll reserve judgement till open beta if nto later and am not gonna indulge in uselss guesisng and speculation about TOR or any other game to be released in the future.
I can wrap my mind around story driven MMO (I have played one for 6 years) but the devs of that game didn't tell me "fighting many monsters alone is heroic, fighting with your friends isn't heroic!".
Their statements keep contradicting each other. It seems as if they want to include everything for everyone in this game. We know how that tends to turn out. Lackluster for everyone, good for no one.
If they want to make a solo game, so be it. I don't mind. If they want to make a grouping game, so be it, I don't mind. But right now they're not being clear about their intentions. It is confusing.
I can't really take this guy seriously. Just because he hasn't personally experienced some of the more innovative gameplay components does not mean that the game is just more of the same. The mere fact that it allows the character to make storyline decisions that affect the rest of the game is proof it is different. As far as I know, this is not done in any other MMO currently. They have also talked about numerous other innovations that sound genuinely unique. Just because we haven't SEEN them yet, does not mean they aren't real.
Like everyone else, I really wish Bioware would show us more of what they have in mind for the grouping aspect and the core MMO features, but I am at least willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now....
Bioware has never done me wrong and I am at least going to give them the chance to succeed before I condemn them. I have seen enough already in the videos of this game to be at least pretty confident that I will enjoy it.
Yeah, pretty much sums up my current opinion.. I have hopes for the title.. but I'm so sick of questing it just makes me wanna rip my eyeballs out anymore.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
They got the exclusive so they have to be nice about the game.
I won't even bother reading the article from the one quote you linked, safety. Thanks. This game is not meant to be revolutionary, so I can safely (see, safety?) disregard everything that follows.
It's not? News to me.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
If it is, Bioware is doing a good job at hiding it.