This is one thing that has always ruined MMOs for me. Why do I have to have a stupid cookie cutter build to remain competative? Why can't I be a high DPS Paladin with a shield or a Dark Jedi with force lightning? Instead I have to be the exact same thing as everyone else, I can't make a unique character that does things differently.
Customization and role playing are then sacrificed just so you can get a stupid party. Great. This is one reason people solo in MMOs nowadays...
Aye, it encourages people to not to suck. Ain't that shitty, yah?
Depends on what you're sucking, kinda like this mochito...
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
There is no way an MMO can make every possible role-playing character build viable for grouping without making the choices involved functionally irrelevant.
Now, perhaps BW will do what Blizzard did in WoW, and give characters dual specs. That would allow an RP build for soloing and a cookie-cutter build for grouping. I think that is the best anyone can expect. No one should expect to create their own distinct design and have it equally viable for all tasks.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
This is one thing that has always ruined MMOs for me. Why do I have to have a stupid cookie cutter build to remain competative? Why can't I be a high DPS Paladin with a shield or a Dark Jedi with force lightning? Instead I have to be the exact same thing as everyone else, I can't make a unique character that does things differently.
Customization and role playing are then sacrificed just so you can get a stupid party. Great. This is one reason people solo in MMOs nowadays...
Aye, it encourages people to not to suck. Ain't that shitty, yah?
Yeah, howe dare people have different playstyles and wants with their video games! If you aren't a mindless robot willing to conform with the hive mind, then we don't want you in our party!
Yeah, howe dare people have different playstyles and wants with their video games! If you aren't a mindless robot willing to conform with the hive mind, then we don't want you in our party!
People have the right to choose whom they group with, don't you think?
I would like to see MMOs have little or no death penalty for groups, so that players aren't so damned choosy WRT to other's specs or even the party composition (I always wanted to try a five-mage group in WoW), but when there is something to lose from failure, then players are going to expect some 'professionalism'.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Aye, it encourages people to not to suck. Ain't that shitty, yah?
Yeah, howe dare people have different playstyles and wants with their video games! If you aren't a mindless robot willing to conform with the hive mind, then we don't want you in our party!
It really is too bad when you're playing with other people you have to take them into consideration as well.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
There is no way an MMO can make every possible role-playing character build viable for grouping without making the choices involved functionally irrelevant.
Now, perhaps BW will do what Blizzard did in WoW, and give characters dual specs. That would allow an RP build for soloing and a cookie-cutter build for grouping. I think that is the best anyone can expect. No one should expect to create their own distinct design and have it equally viable for all tasks.
Well there will be respeccing, I don't know about dual specs.
I fully expect there to be different builds for different tasks, you can never eliminate cookie cutter builds with any system, simply because some dudes will run a program to gather data, use statistics on it and determine whatever it is that does the most damage etc.
That doesn't mean you can't be effective at all with a different build though.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
He could easily have said "A small number of players against overwhelming odds", but he didn't.
This is just being retarded. Do all of you doomsayers just like to bitch and moan just to hear yourselves. How many mmo's have it where you have to group up for every quest in the game. If you take the time to actually read and understand what was said, it would stop all this bull from being talked about over and over. He specifcally said they don't feel like a group of people taking out one enemy gives the player the feeling of being heroic. While a player taking on many does. So, we are at where all the doomsayers are getting confused. It seems to me that he was talking about general quests not content made specifically with grouping in mind.
I can go back to any mmo i ever played and can't think of one where a general quest i couldn't do solo. Now the further you got down the line it became harder and a small group may be required to complete it. That being said, not all ended up that way and many were soloable from beginning to end. Now higher end content that i'm pretty sure was said, was going to be in the game will require a larger group to complete.
All of this still doesn't even cover the situation of allowing group members from being able to participate in a story quest and actually get to make choices. So while yes they said you can solo all the way to top level they didn't say you couldn't group to do so and they surely didn't mention if you are in a group how many more NPC's and harder the quest may become. They may use a scalable system to where if you are solo you get 10 enemies coming to kill you and if you group with four other you may get 40 with a much tougher fight. Even the geek who wrote this review said even though he was able to blow through enemies he was probably a higher level than what was needed for the area he was at. Plus you can just smell how he was a WOW addict with every word he wrote in his review. He very much sounded like a person who playes WOW for like 20 hours straight everyday and is a bit worried that SWTOR is gonna take a bite out of his precious WOW. Remember, Reviews, and critics come and go, that's why you have to wait and play the damn game for yourself to form a true opinion.
He could easily have said "A small number of players against overwhelming odds", but he didn't.
This is just being retarded. Do all of you doomsayers just like to bitch and moan just to hear yourselves. How many mmo's have it where you have to group up for every quest in the game. If you take the time to actually read and understand what was said, it would stop all this bull from being talked about over and over. He specifcally said they don't feel like a group of people taking out one enemy gives the player the feeling of being heroic. While a player taking on many does. So, we are at where all the doomsayers are getting confused. It seems to me that he was talking about general quests not content made specifically with grouping in mind.
I can go back to any mmo i ever played and can't think of one where a general quest i couldn't do solo. Now the further you got down the line it became harder and a small group may be required to complete it. That being said, not all ended up that way and many were soloable from beginning to end. Now higher end content that i'm pretty sure was said, was going to be in the game will require a larger group to complete.
All of this still doesn't even cover the situation of allowing group members from being able to participate in a story quest and actually get to make choices. So while yes they said you can solo all the way to top level they didn't say you couldn't group to do so and they surely didn't mention if you are in a group how many more NPC's and harder the quest may become. They may use a scalable system to where if you are solo you get 10 enemies coming to kill you and if you group with four other you may get 40 with a much tougher fight. Even the geek who wrote this review said even though he was able to blow through enemies he was probably a higher level than what was needed for the area he was at. Plus you can just smell how he was a WOW addict with every word he wrote in his review. He very much sounded like a person who playes WOW for like 20 hours straight everyday and is a bit worried that SWTOR is gonna take a bite out of his precious WOW. Remember, Reviews, and critics come and go, that's why you have to wait and play the damn game for yourself to form a true opinion.
This post might have been worthwhile - if you hadn't sprinkled it so liberally with name-calling.
A re-write would be in order.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
"So here's my problem with BioWare's ambitious Star Wars MMORPG: it sounds genuinely revolutionary in theory, but in practice, the practice I've experienced at least, there's nothing revolutionary about it..."
My point is that opposite sides in a war don't generally fraternize with each other.
You are joking right?
No. You disagree?
I have noticed in many of your reply's to posts that you tend to ask alot of people to explain themselves and most of their points could easily be worked out with a little thought. Please, use the brain you were given, its a gift. Use it and stop getting spoon fed information.
I have noticed in many of your reply's to posts that you tend to ask alot of people to explain themselves and most of their points could easily be worked out with a little thought. Please, use the brain you were given, its a gift. Use it and stop getting spoon fed information.
Alright then, why do you disagree? You think enemies do fraternize?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
He's expecting to get into a group in an exclusive press only hands-on for a pre-beta game.... just lol...
This "show us MMO elements" crap has to stop, what warrants those questions in the first place? You don't see them asked for games like GW2, FFXIV and other upcoming mmo's which haven't revealed any group play either.
Please get your facts right. Both games have showed some group play, more or less.
Show me.
Edit: TOR did by the way: 10 minutes of it.
GW2 will be soloable just like TOR will be. We're still in the age of making single player games with alot of people in it. Sometimes the comparions between a single player rpg and a mmo are almost identicle. Though I can't think of a mmo right now that isn't soloable besides FFXI. It all will boil down to what you like and don't like. I think both games will be great ones despite how mmos are designed these days.
GW2 will be soloable just like TOR will be. We're still in the age of making single player games with alot of people in it. Sometimes the comparions between a single player rpg and a mmo are almost identicle. Though I can't think of a mmo right now that isn't soloable besides FFXI. It all will boil down to what you like and don't like. I think both games will be great ones despite how mmos are designed these days.
Well I'm certainly looking forward to hearing more about GW2!
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I have noticed in many of your reply's to posts that you tend to ask alot of people to explain themselves and most of their points could easily be worked out with a little thought. Please, use the brain you were given, its a gift. Use it and stop getting spoon fed information.
Alright then, why do you disagree? You think enemies do fraternize?
Surely you can think of why one would fraternize with the enemy? Have you not heard the expression "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer"?
I wasnt excited about this game a year ago and I'm still not..at all.
I dont mind solo friendly MMOs I really dont, the problem many have with this game is that after a year of hype we still havent seen anything MMO about this game.
It has to launch in less then a year...
That means Beta is not that far off...and yet we dont know jack about the core game features and mechanics.
I get a very bad vibes about this "MMO" I cant help it.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
"So here's my problem with BioWare's ambitious Star Wars MMORPG: it sounds genuinely revolutionary in theory, but in practice, the practice I've experienced at least, there's nothing revolutionary about it..."
"So here's my problem with BioWare's ambitious Star Wars MMORPG: it sounds genuinely revolutionary in theory, but in practice, the practice I've experienced at least, there's nothing revolutionary about it..."
For a second i thought you the OP had posted a Topic but you just seem to have copy and pasted someone elses work and effort. What a shame.
Do you have an opinion her that we can discuss?
What?
Quite simple to understand really, all you did was copy and paste the article and the worst thing in the article and added nothing to it. You looking for the bad in this game is nothing new though.
Surely you can think of why one would fraternize with the enemy? Have you not heard the expression "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer"?
Of course many, many, times.
It doesn't mean going camping with them during a war.
Also, the expression 'keep your freidns close and your enemies closer' is one of the most ridiculous sayings ever. It's not from Sun Tzu or Macchiavelli but from a Hollywood scriptwriter of the 1970s.
"So here's my problem with BioWare's ambitious Star Wars MMORPG: it sounds genuinely revolutionary in theory, but in practice, the practice I've experienced at least, there's nothing revolutionary about it..."
For a second i thought you the OP had posted a Topic but you just seem to have copy and pasted someone elses work and effort. What a shame.
Do you have an opinion her that we can discuss?
What?
Quite simple to understand really, all you did was copy and paste the article and the worst thing in the article and added nothing to it. You looking for the bad in this game is nothing new though.
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No need to be aggressive. I quoted from the opening lines of the review - and then posted a link to the rest of it so we could all discuss it. I'm sorry of I hurt your self esteem. I think he provides a reasonable and accurate review of the parts of the game he's played.
If he's right, SWTOR is going to a slow-leaking failure that won't satisfy even the kneejerk kiddy fanbois at which it's aimed. I hope this is not the case, don't you? Good luck.
"So here's my problem with BioWare's ambitious Star Wars MMORPG: it sounds genuinely revolutionary in theory, but in practice, the practice I've experienced at least, there's nothing revolutionary about it..."
For a second i thought you the OP had posted a Topic but you just seem to have copy and pasted someone elses work and effort. What a shame.
Do you have an opinion her that we can discuss?
What?
Quite simple to understand really, all you did was copy and paste the article and the worst thing in the article and added nothing to it. You looking for the bad in this game is nothing new though.
:0)
No need to be aggressive. I quoted from the opening lines of the review - and then posted a link to the rest of it. I'm sorry of I hurt your self esteem. I think he provides a reasonable and accurate review of the parts of the game he's played. If he's right, SWTOR is going to a slow-leaking failure that won't satisfy even the kneejerk kiddy fanbois at which it's aimed. I hope this is not the case, don't you? Good luck.
Not agression, just truth. My self esteem is just fine though, thanks for displaying true agression. I heard great things, what was so bad? Explain please, and please explain how you're sure of his accuracy, it's even funnier when you follow up with a "if he is right". Backtracking is fun.
"So here's my problem with BioWare's ambitious Star Wars MMORPG: it sounds genuinely revolutionary in theory, but in practice, the practice I've experienced at least, there's nothing revolutionary about it..."
For a second i thought you the OP had posted a Topic but you just seem to have copy and pasted someone elses work and effort. What a shame.
Do you have an opinion her that we can discuss?
What?
Quite simple to understand really, all you did was copy and paste the article and the worst thing in the article and added nothing to it. You looking for the bad in this game is nothing new though.
:0)
No need to be aggressive. I quoted from the opening lines of the review - and then posted a link to the rest of it. I'm sorry of I hurt your self esteem. I think he provides a reasonable and accurate review of the parts of the game he's played. If he's right, SWTOR is going to a slow-leaking failure that won't satisfy even the kneejerk kiddy fanbois at which it's aimed. I hope this is not the case, don't you? Good luck.
Not agression, just truth. My self esteem is just fine though, thanks for displaying true agression. I heard great things, what was so bad? Explain please, and please explain how you're sure of his accuracy, it's even funnier when you follow up with a "if he is right". Backtracking is fun.
"So here's my problem with BioWare's ambitious Star Wars MMORPG: it sounds genuinely revolutionary in theory, but in practice, the practice I've experienced at least, there's nothing revolutionary about it..."
For a second i thought you the OP had posted a Topic but you just seem to have copy and pasted someone elses work and effort. What a shame.
Do you have an opinion her that we can discuss?
What?
Quite simple to understand really, all you did was copy and paste the article and the worst thing in the article and added nothing to it. You looking for the bad in this game is nothing new though.
:0)
No need to be aggressive. I quoted from the opening lines of the review - and then posted a link to the rest of it. I'm sorry of I hurt your self esteem. I think he provides a reasonable and accurate review of the parts of the game he's played. If he's right, SWTOR is going to a slow-leaking failure that won't satisfy even the kneejerk kiddy fanbois at which it's aimed. I hope this is not the case, don't you? Good luck.
Not agression, just truth. My self esteem is just fine though, thanks for displaying true agression. I heard great things, what was so bad? Explain please, and please explain how you're sure of his accuracy, it's even funnier when you follow up with a "if he is right". Backtracking is fun.
Glad that's settled. Thanks.
Ah an opinion , you like the context he writes in? It suits does it ? The review reads poorly but I guess this is a joy to behold for you,what a little gem you have dug up well done.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Surely you can think of why one would fraternize with the enemy? Have you not heard the expression "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer"?
Of course many, many, times.
It doesn't mean going camping with them during a war.
Also, the expression 'keep your freidns close and your enemies closer' is one of the most ridiculous sayings ever. It's not from Sun Tzu or Macchiavelli but from a Hollywood scriptwriter of the 1970s.
The expression is so so true and very very relevant in real life. The source is irrelevant but interesting, always nice to know a little bit of useless trivia.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
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Depends on what you're sucking, kinda like this mochito...
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
There is no way an MMO can make every possible role-playing character build viable for grouping without making the choices involved functionally irrelevant.
Now, perhaps BW will do what Blizzard did in WoW, and give characters dual specs. That would allow an RP build for soloing and a cookie-cutter build for grouping. I think that is the best anyone can expect. No one should expect to create their own distinct design and have it equally viable for all tasks.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Yeah, howe dare people have different playstyles and wants with their video games! If you aren't a mindless robot willing to conform with the hive mind, then we don't want you in our party!
People have the right to choose whom they group with, don't you think?
I would like to see MMOs have little or no death penalty for groups, so that players aren't so damned choosy WRT to other's specs or even the party composition (I always wanted to try a five-mage group in WoW), but when there is something to lose from failure, then players are going to expect some 'professionalism'.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
It really is too bad when you're playing with other people you have to take them into consideration as well.
Well there will be respeccing, I don't know about dual specs.
I fully expect there to be different builds for different tasks, you can never eliminate cookie cutter builds with any system, simply because some dudes will run a program to gather data, use statistics on it and determine whatever it is that does the most damage etc.
That doesn't mean you can't be effective at all with a different build though.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
This is just being retarded. Do all of you doomsayers just like to bitch and moan just to hear yourselves. How many mmo's have it where you have to group up for every quest in the game. If you take the time to actually read and understand what was said, it would stop all this bull from being talked about over and over. He specifcally said they don't feel like a group of people taking out one enemy gives the player the feeling of being heroic. While a player taking on many does. So, we are at where all the doomsayers are getting confused. It seems to me that he was talking about general quests not content made specifically with grouping in mind.
I can go back to any mmo i ever played and can't think of one where a general quest i couldn't do solo. Now the further you got down the line it became harder and a small group may be required to complete it. That being said, not all ended up that way and many were soloable from beginning to end. Now higher end content that i'm pretty sure was said, was going to be in the game will require a larger group to complete.
All of this still doesn't even cover the situation of allowing group members from being able to participate in a story quest and actually get to make choices. So while yes they said you can solo all the way to top level they didn't say you couldn't group to do so and they surely didn't mention if you are in a group how many more NPC's and harder the quest may become. They may use a scalable system to where if you are solo you get 10 enemies coming to kill you and if you group with four other you may get 40 with a much tougher fight. Even the geek who wrote this review said even though he was able to blow through enemies he was probably a higher level than what was needed for the area he was at. Plus you can just smell how he was a WOW addict with every word he wrote in his review. He very much sounded like a person who playes WOW for like 20 hours straight everyday and is a bit worried that SWTOR is gonna take a bite out of his precious WOW. Remember, Reviews, and critics come and go, that's why you have to wait and play the damn game for yourself to form a true opinion.
This post might have been worthwhile - if you hadn't sprinkled it so liberally with name-calling.
A re-write would be in order.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
For a second i thought you the OP had posted a Topic but you just seem to have copy and pasted someone elses work and effort. What a shame.
Do you have an opinion her that we can discuss?
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
I have noticed in many of your reply's to posts that you tend to ask alot of people to explain themselves and most of their points could easily be worked out with a little thought. Please, use the brain you were given, its a gift. Use it and stop getting spoon fed information.
Alright then, why do you disagree? You think enemies do fraternize?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
GW2 will be soloable just like TOR will be. We're still in the age of making single player games with alot of people in it. Sometimes the comparions between a single player rpg and a mmo are almost identicle. Though I can't think of a mmo right now that isn't soloable besides FFXI. It all will boil down to what you like and don't like. I think both games will be great ones despite how mmos are designed these days.
Well I'm certainly looking forward to hearing more about GW2!
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Surely you can think of why one would fraternize with the enemy? Have you not heard the expression "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer"?
Of course many, many, times.
It doesn't mean going camping with them during a war.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Of course it does. What do you think spies do during wars?
I agree with the review.
I wasnt excited about this game a year ago and I'm still not..at all.
I dont mind solo friendly MMOs I really dont, the problem many have with this game is that after a year of hype we still havent seen anything MMO about this game.
It has to launch in less then a year...
That means Beta is not that far off...and yet we dont know jack about the core game features and mechanics.
I get a very bad vibes about this "MMO" I cant help it.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
What?
Quite simple to understand really, all you did was copy and paste the article and the worst thing in the article and added nothing to it. You looking for the bad in this game is nothing new though.
Also, the expression 'keep your freidns close and your enemies closer' is one of the most ridiculous sayings ever. It's not from Sun Tzu or Macchiavelli but from a Hollywood scriptwriter of the 1970s.
:0)
No need to be aggressive. I quoted from the opening lines of the review - and then posted a link to the rest of it so we could all discuss it. I'm sorry of I hurt your self esteem. I think he provides a reasonable and accurate review of the parts of the game he's played.
If he's right, SWTOR is going to a slow-leaking failure that won't satisfy even the kneejerk kiddy fanbois at which it's aimed. I hope this is not the case, don't you? Good luck.
Not agression, just truth. My self esteem is just fine though, thanks for displaying true agression. I heard great things, what was so bad? Explain please, and please explain how you're sure of his accuracy, it's even funnier when you follow up with a "if he is right". Backtracking is fun.
Glad that's settled. Thanks.
Ah an opinion , you like the context he writes in? It suits does it ? The review reads poorly but I guess this is a joy to behold for you,what a little gem you have dug up well done.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
The expression is so so true and very very relevant in real life. The source is irrelevant but interesting, always nice to know a little bit of useless trivia.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel